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EYKHA (CV : Sawashiro Miyuki) LOU (CV : Uchida Maaya) MERYL

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Backfire
[General]
Whats the deal with backgrounds not all being the same?

[Kantan]
00:10:815 - I dunno if this really fits as the same kkd that precedes it. I think d k d works better simply because there isn't the same background vocals coming in.
00:23:788 - Kiai needs a rework, I have an idea on how to do this but it boosts sr a little bit. I'm gonna screen-shot since its a bit of an easy pattern but hard to explain. https://puu.sh/xYYqB/aaba1ae8fd.jpg repeat this twice and end kiai with a d. If this doesn't make sense just catch me in game so I can explain. But basically you are putting x..x..x..x on 1/2 snap. I guess futsuu does something similar, so you could make it even easier than futsuu's. Maybe, idk.
01:20:869 - I think it's ok to change this to d to give a little variation.
01:26:058 - Similar to 0:23, same thing.

[Futsuu]
00:23:788 - suggest filling in all the gaps like 00:26:058 - 00:31:247 - and using some variance within the kiai? I dunno, spice it up?
Not really much to say, I kind of felt like it was awkward around this section 00:47:139 - 00:57:518 - , I think the use of triplets was kinda meh. But I have no hard feelings towards it either way.

[Muzu]
00:03:031 - 00:05:626 - 00:08:220 - These should really be deleted if you're mapping to the vocals, which I think you should for this part.
00:12:436 - 00:21:193 - I think it's not helpful for me to say this but this needs to be remapped to follow the vocals pretty closely since you did it for the first part and it feels kind of off for some reason when you map it like this. Like half vocals half drums? Normally it's ok if you put emphasis kats on the vocals but idk, you haven't done that. It's really only this section, it improves over the duration of the map.

[Oni]
OD and HP should be like 5.5
00:28:977 - This is insanely hard, like something I'd expect from Inner Oni. I really highly suggest going back to the first half of the kiai and doing something similar for the second half.
01:16:247 - This feels really like smushed together, all of these plets in a row, so delete this note to give it some room to breathe.
01:19:328 - Similar here, too much 1/4, so delete?
01:21:031 - 01:21:112 - probably delete this too
01:26:058 - Same as before, simplify this a lot.

[Inner Oni]
00:01:734 - 00:11:950 - really overmapped, imo, just cut down a little bit and follow the vocals more closely.
Kiai section needs some variation like the Futsuu.
00:33:518 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85) - all this is just a bad idea lol, probably keep the finisher a D and the 1/6...I recommend removing that.
00:34:491 - d k k d k k d kkk d kkk d (kkkd) is a lot more simple and just makes this not so complicated for no reason, gets the point across.
00:41:220 (32,33) - Recommend completely deleting these. I just can't support so much 1/4 in a really quiet section
00:43:409 - Remove for like flow, less clutter
01:17:788 - just probably make this ddkdk. I can excuse the 1/6 before this one but this one is silly.
01:20:382 - ...probably dont do this either. Just delete.
01:23:139 - 1/6 is mediocre here too so just kkkkD works fine.
01:25:734 - again I might allow this one but it seems very unnecessary.

Idk. Inner Oni definitely needs some work, looks a lot like my early maps but with added 1/6 spam. Not necessarily a bad thing but it just feels like big big overmapping.
Vulkin

Backfire wrote:

[General]
Whats the deal with backgrounds not all being the same? Not necessarily unrankable to be honest, alot of sets have multiple backgrounds so,
I don't see an issue with it, I mean, why not something a bit different than the rest? ;)


[Oni]
OD and HP should be like 5.5 Done
00:28:977 - This is insanely hard, like something I'd expect from Inner Oni. I really highly suggest going back to the first half of the kiai and doing something similar for the second half. I tried something, i hope its not as stupid as i think it ended up as
01:16:247 - This feels really like smushed together, all of these plets in a row, so delete this note to give it some room to breathe. deleted a few notes
01:19:328 - Similar here, too much 1/4, so delete? altered the previous part, but wont delete this one, without it, the voice feels a bit weird imo
01:21:031 - 01:21:112 - probably delete this too keep, drum sound is there
01:26:058 - Same as before, simplify this a lot. i deleted 2 or 3 notes on this part
Thanks for the mod Backfire!

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Topic Starter
Protonori

Backfire wrote:

[General]
Whats the deal with backgrounds not all being the same?
Vulkin and xtrem3x wanted to use different backgrounds for their diffs. Is it actually unrankable in taiko? :o

[Futsuu]
00:23:788 - suggest filling in all the gaps like 00:26:058 - 00:31:247 - and using some variance within the kiai? I dunno, spice it up?
Mentioned in Inner Oni: I couldn't find good patterns without making kiai sound too chaotic, so I just went for consistency. Not a very good reason, I know.
About the gaps: those are (supposed to be) breaks. I think it's a good idea, even if it's kiai.

Not really much to say, I kind of felt like it was awkward around this section 00:47:139 - 00:57:518 - , I think the use of triplets was kinda meh. But I have no hard feelings towards it either way.
Yeah, I'm not really comfortable with mapping easy diffs. I wanted to avoid diff spikes, which is why I used breaks so often.

[Inner Oni]
00:01:734 - 00:11:950 - really overmapped, imo, just cut down a little bit and follow the vocals more closely.
I see your point here, but I wanted to separate it from 00:37:085, which is the calmest part of the song. If other people make the same suggestion, of course, I'll change it.

Kiai section needs some variation like the Futsuu.
I wanted to do this from the start, but I couldn't think of usable patterns without it sounding... very chaotic. In the end, I went for consistency (even though it's a bit boring to play).

00:33:518 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85) - all this is just a bad idea lol, probably keep the finisher a D and the 1/6...I recommend removing that.
If you're referring to the finisher at 00:33:518 - I used K at [00:28:328], [00:30:923], etc. This is more consistent imo.
About the 1/6: I wanted to do something to signal the end of kiai. I deleted the note at 00:33:761, so it should be fine to play now.

00:34:491 - d k k d k k d kkk d kkk d (kkkd) is a lot more simple and just makes this not so complicated for no reason, gets the point across.
Agreed.

00:41:220 (32,33) - Recommend completely deleting these. I just can't support so much 1/4 in a really quiet section
I know you have a point, but the 1/4 is supposed to help "rebuild the flow" in a way. Without it, the breakless section at 00:46:653 seems a bit extreme.

00:43:409 - Remove for like flow, less clutter
Applied.

01:17:788 - just probably make this ddkdk. I can excuse the 1/6 before this one but this one is silly.
I wanted this to be an offhand pattern, but you do have a point. Applied change.

01:20:382 - ...probably dont do this either. Just delete.
Applied, and changed a note to d.

01:23:139 - 1/6 is mediocre here too so just kkkkD works fine.
I think it's fine, to mark the end of this kiai section.

01:25:734 - again I might allow this one but it seems very unnecessary.
It's just before the last kiai, so I think it's fine.

Idk. Inner Oni definitely needs some work, looks a lot like my early maps but with added 1/6 spam. Not necessarily a bad thing but it just feels like big big overmapping.
Yep, this was one of my first 5*+ maps; the original had even more 1/6 spam.
I wanted the difficulty of the map to increase as it progressed. I tried saving 1/6 for "intense" sections of the song, but I might've overdone it a bit...
I really appreciate the extensive mod! :)

*Nerfed Inner Oni further after discussion with strickluke.
The note density isn't perfect, but the set should be more balanced now.
strickluke

Backfire wrote:

[General]
Whats the deal with backgrounds not all being the same? I agree!

[Muzu]
00:03:031 - 00:05:626 - 00:08:220 - These should really be deleted if you're mapping to the vocals, which I think you should for this part. ok, moved a few notes around to match the vocals more closely/not have weird filler rhythm for some parts
00:12:436 - 00:21:193 - I think it's not helpful for me to say this but this needs to be remapped to follow the vocals pretty closely since you did it for the first part and it feels kind of off for some reason when you map it like this. Like half vocals half drums? Normally it's ok if you put emphasis kats on the vocals but idk, you haven't done that. It's really only this section, it improves over the duration of the map. idk, for this section I didn't mean to map to vocals at all. I don't think there's too much wrong with this section, but I have changed a few colors to emphasize on vocals so that it's more similar to the other parts past this first kiai time. like you said
thank :D

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[R]
yo

[Kantan]
00:43:247 - change don, to mirror note in 00:38:058 -
00:55:572 - change don, pitch different with note forward
01:02:058 - add don, piano sound important here
01:03:355 - delete ? to build up pattern in 01:05:301 -
01:20:869 - change don

[Futsuu]
00:01:734 - to 00:12:112 - it feels overmaping, comparing kantan have less note here, i suggest to reduce some note (deleting 00:02:058 (2,3,7) - will be good pattern)
00:37:409 - delete , no sound here
00:40:004 - move 00:39:355 - and change don, for a good spacing (and follow the piano)
00:42:599 - move 00:41:950 -

[Muzukashii]
00:49:085 - delete ? make xx xx to variate the pattern
00:54:274 - ^
01:15:355 - delete ? to follow the vocal nicely

maube just that frome me
good luck
Topic Starter
Protonori

[R] wrote:

yo

[Futsuu]
00:01:734 - to 00:12:112 - it feels overmaping, comparing kantan have less note here, i suggest to reduce some note (deleting 00:02:058 (2,3,7) - will be good pattern)
I think it's fine tbh. If other people make the same suggestion, of course, I'll change it.
00:37:409 - delete , no sound here
Applied.
00:40:004 - move 00:39:355 - and change don, for a good spacing (and follow the piano)
Yeah, I think this is much better. Applied.
00:42:599 - move 00:41:950 -
Done.

maube just that frome me
good luck
Thanks for the mod! It was very helpful :)
strickluke

[R] wrote:

[Muzukashii]
00:49:085 - delete ? make xx xx to variate the pattern in this section sure, this variation seems nice
00:54:274 - ^ ^
01:15:355 - delete ? to follow the vocal nicely yep
Thanks for the mod :D

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xtrem3x

Backfire wrote:

[General]
Whats the deal with backgrounds not all being the same?

[Kantan]
00:10:815 - I dunno if this really fits as the same kkd that precedes it. I think d k d works better simply because there isn't the same background vocals coming in. <<< is possible, I wanted to vary this part a bit but with changing the 1st note I realized my mistake.
00:23:788 - Kiai needs a rework, I have an idea on how to do this but it boosts sr a little bit. I'm gonna screen-shot since its a bit of an easy pattern but hard to explain. https://puu.sh/xYYqB/aaba1ae8fd.jpg repeat this twice and end kiai with a d. If this doesn't make sense just catch me in game so I can explain. But basically you are putting x..x..x..x on 1/2 snap. I guess futsuu does something similar, so you could make it even easier than futsuu's. Maybe, idk. <<< is perfectly understandable, you want me to use 1/4 type notes to give it a little more difficulty, I really didn't have it contemplated but is good.
01:20:869 - I think it's ok to change this to d to give a little variation. <<< ok
01:26:058 - Similar to 0:23, same thing. <<< correct.

[R] wrote:

yo

[Kantan]
00:43:247 - change don, to mirror note in 00:38:058 - <<< and high piano sound
00:55:572 - change don, pitch different with note forward <<< possible
01:02:058 - add don, piano sound important here <<< maybe, but lose focus on the next 3 notes.
01:03:355 - delete ? to build up pattern in 01:05:301 - <<< drum roll
01:20:869 - change don <<< applied in bakafire's mod.

Thanks to both modders -w-

Update 3 or 4
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Marm
boo, m4m on sweet requiem

inner
  1. I'd suggest 2 changes on the first kiai. First would be making 00:25:896 - and 00:31:085 - a 5 note stream like you did in 00:28:491 - For consistency, etc. Second, if you don't like the first suggestion, would be to make 00:28:653 (40) - a finisher (and removing the following note for better playability) to keep up with the finisher rhythm that you set in this kiai. Doing the same on 00:25:896 - and 00:31:085 - would be good to keep up the consistency too.
  2. 00:34:491 (85,86,87,88,89,90,91) - this part sounds better as dkddkdd instead of dkkdkkd imo.
  3. 00:37:085 - From what I've seen on other mods you want to differ this calm part with the beginning so I'd suggest to place less notes or making it "cleaner" and simpler. I came up with something like this (Note 1 is at 00:37:085 - and note 16 at 00:40:653 - ):
  4. 00:47:058 - a note here would fit better than the finisher as the sound at 00:47:139 - doesn't stand out that much. Also 00:46:734 (56) - is better with don as the following note is a strong kat sound, the don would give more emphasis to the strong note.
  5. 00:46:734 (56) - a 5 note stream from here would be more consistent with 00:49:409 - . The vocals are similar at 00:49:247 - and 00:51:031 - . If you agree with that just put a break between the 5 note stream and the following stream.
  6. 00:56:220 (139) - kat and 00:56:707 (143) - kat plays better with the rhythm you set previously on the vocals. You can change the patterns do kkd if kdd is uncomfortable here.
  7. 01:01:247 (157) - The transition to the next section flows better if you delete this. The vocals aren't too strong so the note isn't necessary.
  8. 01:24:599 (7) - if you don't mind the guitar here deleting this note would make the following finisher much stronger.
solid and consistent diff here. gj if you went for that :p

vulkin oni
  1. 00:04:166 - a note here makes the beginning flow better. With this change you'd have the 3/2 gap after 16 bars instead of 8, that feels more natural as you don't have another 3/2 gap after 00:06:761 -
  2. 00:25:896 (112,113) - ctrl+g here? the kat on the white tick plays better with the following note and the pitch changes allow the swap. if you agree do the same on similar parts
except that this looks very solid again gj.

luke muzu
  1. 01:10:653 - a triple from here wouldn't be bad.
  2. consider adding a note at 01:16:815 - and/or 01:17:464 - (the first one stands out more) as it's weird to head the strong beat and no note there. It also helps with the flow on the triple. (1/1 followed by 1/4 is weird. a 1/2 inbetween makes it play "smoother")
except that it looks nice tbh.

futsuu, aka the hardest diff to map for some reason
  1. 01:10:166 - try to find another place for a 2/1 break on this kiai after this one. futsuu needs it every now and then.
you did good here, teach me futsuu pls :c

3x kantan
  1. 00:23:788 - aaaa try to find another way to map this section in another way. the 3/2 gaps with no 4/1 breaks at all makes this too hard for baby tacos :c. You could also delete the second note that lands on the red line. I don't know much on what to do tbh orz.

diffs looking good. ranked soon? :^)
Topic Starter
Protonori

Marm wrote:

boo, m4m on sweet requiem

inner
  1. I'd suggest 2 changes on the first kiai. First would be making 00:25:896 - and 00:31:085 - a 5 note stream like you did in 00:28:491 - For consistency, etc. Second, if you don't like the first suggestion, would be to make 00:28:653 (40) - a finisher (and removing the following note for better playability) to keep up with the finisher rhythm that you set in this kiai. Doing the same on 00:25:896 - and 00:31:085 - would be good to keep up the consistency too.
    Yeah, I think this is a good idea. I went with your second suggestion. Also changed a pattern near the end of kiai.
  2. 00:34:491 (85,86,87,88,89,90,91) - this part sounds better as dkddkdd instead of dkkdkkd imo.
    Yeah, this sounds nice. Applied~
  3. 00:37:085 - From what I've seen on other mods you want to differ this calm part with the beginning so I'd suggest to place less notes or making it "cleaner" and simpler. I came up with something like this (Note 1 is at 00:37:085 - and note 16 at 00:40:653 - ):
    Changed some patterns to reduce note density.
  4. 00:47:058 - a note here would fit better than the finisher as the sound at 00:47:139 - doesn't stand out that much. Also 00:46:734 (56) - is better with don as the following note is a strong kat sound, the don would give more emphasis to the strong note.
    Very good points. Applied both changes.
  5. 00:46:734 (56) - a 5 note stream from here would be more consistent with 00:49:409 - . The vocals are similar at 00:49:247 - and 00:51:031 - . If you agree with that just put a break between the 5 note stream and the following stream.
    I think you pasted the wrong time here, but I'm assuming you're talking about 00:51:518. If so, then I deleted the note at 00:51:761.
  6. 00:56:220 (139) - kat and 00:56:707 (143) - kat plays better with the rhythm you set previously on the vocals. You can change the patterns do kkd if kdd is uncomfortable here.
    I switched to ddd to emphasize the drums at this part. I'll change it if someone else mentions this, though.
  7. 01:01:247 (157) - The transition to the next section flows better if you delete this. The vocals aren't too strong so the note isn't necessary.
    Good point. I wanted to map the vocals, but this sounds much better.
  8. 01:24:599 (7) - if you don't mind the guitar here deleting this note would make the following finisher much stronger.
    I did this in the original diff, but someone recommended adding this note. I'll delete it for now, but replace it if needed.
solid and consistent diff here. gj if you went for that :p
Thank the modders lol. It was 1/6 hell in the beginning.

futsuu, aka the hardest diff to map for some reason
  1. 01:10:166 - try to find another place for a 2/1 break on this kiai after this one. futsuu needs it every now and then.
    I wanted to do this, but all of my "solutions" killed the rhythm. For now, I'll wait for extra mods.
you did good here, teach me futsuu pls :c
Like the Inner Oni, mods fixed a lot of the issues :)

diffs looking good. ranked soon? :^)
We can only hope...
Thanks for the mod :) I think my diffs look much better now.
Not perfect obviously, but... one step at a time.
Vulkin

Marm wrote:

boo, m4m on sweet requiem

vulkin oni
  1. 00:04:166 - a note here makes the beginning flow better. With this change you'd have the 3/2 gap after 16 bars instead of 8, that feels more natural as you don't have another 3/2 gap after 00:06:761 - idk how does flow work in taiko, but sure it sounds good
  2. 00:25:896 (112,113) - ctrl+g here? the kat on the white tick plays better with the following note and the pitch changes allow the swap. if you agree do the same on similar parts sounds good, done K d K then K k D then K d K and finally K k D for variability too,
except that this looks very solid again gj.thanks sensei

diffs looking good. ranked soon? :^) Soon(TM)
thanks sensei

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xtrem3x
sorry for delay but, no changes to me -w-
strickluke

Marm wrote:

luke muzu
  1. 01:10:653 - a triple from here wouldn't be bad. Eventually down the line I think this would cause errors in consistency, no change
  2. consider adding a note at 01:16:815 - and/or 01:17:464 - (the first one stands out more) as it's weird to head the strong beat and no note there. It also helps with the flow on the triple. (1/1 followed by 1/4 is weird. a 1/2 inbetween makes it play "smoother") Ok, placed notes in both positions
except that it looks nice tbh. ty
thanks for the mod :)

Update
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Fuel
hi

mod
Kantan
  1. 01:01:409 (47,48) - I feel like the colours of these two notes could be swapped (or at least 01:01:409 (47) - changed to d) since ddkd fits the piano sounds better, given you've aligned the notes with the piano sounds. Pretty nitpicky in any case.
Futsuu
  1. 00:11:139 - The rhythm here is sorta awkward-sounding to me; given how the preceding triple matches with the vocal sounds the double here sounds off. Maybe shift the double by a 1/2 beat although the SR gets busted thanks to 3/2 or ctrl+g the double so the kats are aligned with vocal sounds.
  2. 00:45:193 (16) - Change to d? I think this provides a better contrast between the single and multiple vocal sounds.
  3. 01:01:896 (55) - I think the note would fit better with the piano sound on the following white tick but it's not a big deal how it is currently.
  4. 01:17:464 (10) - Although a double would fit the vocal here you've opted to map the second sound rather than the first (which you did at 01:13:409 - and 01:16:004 - where you skipped one of the vocal sounds) and I think that sounds a bit off. Maybe you could try a 1/2 ddkkd/dddkd/dkdkd from 01:16:977 - and remove 01:18:599 (13) - to have a break? It fits the way you mapped 01:13:085 -
Muzukashii
  1. 00:05:788 (16,17) - Ctrl+g? imo better to follow the pitch of the primary vocalist.
  2. 00:09:842 (30) - Delete? This doesn't really fit the vocal mapping of the beginning section.
  3. 00:41:788 - Add a note for the piano sound?
  4. 00:45:680 - ^
Oni
  1. 00:11:909 - Is there a reason why the green lines here are off the notes whereas they are on the notes everywhere else? idk tbh
  2. 00:27:112 (121) - Change to k for consistency with the other triplet?
  3. 01:17:869 - Add a note? I think a 5-plet works better with the drum sounds (assuming you don't want to have finishers at the end of a pattern so no 7-plet). Though maybe that makes the section a bit dense.
Inner Oni
  1. 00:23:788 - You could use some 5-plets for variation (like kkd D -> kkddd)? They wouldn't work too well with the finishers, but just throwing ideas about. Maybe at the end too.
  2. 00:56:301 (125) - Wouldn't the note fit the drum sound better at 00:56:464 - ?
  3. 00:57:031 (131,132,133) - The drum sounds on the triples (including these first 3 notes of the 5-plet) sound like xxo to me (in terms of hitsound idk how to word it), idk if you plan on changing all of them but I think at least having kkdkd or ddkkd here would sound better.
  4. 01:12:031 (40,41) - Ctrl+g? I think the kat fits better on the white tick to differentiate the drum sound there from the other beats.
  5. 01:18:031 (4) - Given the similarity of the drum sounds I think changing this to a k fits better.

Hope it helps :D
Topic Starter
Protonori

Invective wrote:

hi
Futsuu
  1. 00:11:139 - The rhythm here is sorta awkward-sounding to me; given how the preceding triple matches with the vocal sounds the double here sounds off. Maybe shift the double by a 1/2 beat although the SR gets busted thanks to 3/2 or ctrl+g the double so the kats are aligned with vocal sounds.
    I like this idea, but I was trying to use something similar to Inner Oni. I'll keep this in mind, though.
  2. 00:45:193 (16) - Change to d? I think this provides a better contrast between the single and multiple vocal sounds.
    Agreed + applied.
  3. 01:01:896 (55) - I think the note would fit better with the piano sound on the following white tick but it's not a big deal how it is currently.
    I wanted to give players a break before 01:02:382 -, but I didn't want to delete a note.
  4. 01:17:464 (10) - Although a double would fit the vocal here you've opted to map the second sound rather than the first (which you did at 01:13:409 - and 01:16:004 - where you skipped one of the vocal sounds) and I think that sounds a bit off. Maybe you could try a 1/2 ddkkd/dddkd/dkdkd from 01:16:977 - and remove 01:18:599 (13) - to have a break? It fits the way you mapped 01:13:085 -
    The note density is too much imo. Kiai is already the hardest section in the map, so I wanted to have a noticeable break.
Inner Oni
  1. 00:23:788 - You could use some 5-plets for variation (like kkd D -> kkddd)? They wouldn't work too well with the finishers, but just throwing ideas about. Maybe at the end too.
    5-plets were actually in the original diff xd I'll put them back in.
  2. 00:56:301 (125) - Wouldn't the note fit the drum sound better at 00:56:464 - ?
    Sounds much better. Fixed.
  3. 00:57:031 (131,132,133) - The drum sounds on the triples (including these first 3 notes of the 5-plet) sound like xxo to me (in terms of hitsound idk how to word it), idk if you plan on changing all of them but I think at least having kkdkd or ddkkd here would sound better.
    The current pattern sounds better imo. I'll change it if someone else mentions this, of course.
  4. 01:12:031 (40,41) - Ctrl+g? I think the kat fits better on the white tick to differentiate the drum sound there from the other beats.
    I was actually trying to focus more on the vocals with this pattern. I'll change this if someone else mentions it.
  5. 01:18:031 (4) - Given the similarity of the drum sounds I think changing this to a k fits better.
    I'll think about this. I like this pattern, but I also like the current pattern.
Hope it helps :D
It was very helpful! Thanks for the mod :)
xtrem3x
Applying mod and possible mod by me -w-
Roger
Hi~

General
  1. HP spread suggestion considering amount of notes: Kantan <8> | Futsuu <7> | Muzukashii <6> | Oni <6> | Inner Oni <6>
  2. Change BG position of Vulkin and xtrem3x's diffs to "0,0,"deltkin.jpg",0,20" is better imo.

Inner Oni
00:01:734 - until 00:08:545 - what sound are you following here? Try testing without effect sound.
00:11:788 - delete or move to 00:11:464
00:21:112 - add d
00:28:491 (38,39,40,41,42) - ddddk for consistency
00:46:004 - change k
01:03:193 - change d
01:03:518 (156,157) - change k d
01:06:518 - add d
01:08:707 (8,9) - change d k
01:09:031 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - kdkdkkddddk is better imo
01:11:301 (33,34) - change d k
01:12:599 (46) - change k
01:15:842 (76,77) - change d k
01:14:869 (66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74) - sounds weird, change to kdkkddkdk imo
01:18:436 (7,8) - change d k
01:20:382 (24,25) - change d k
01:21:680 (36) - change d
Topic Starter
Protonori

][ -GH- ][ wrote:

Hi~

General
  1. HP spread suggestion considering amount of notes: Kantan <8> | Futsuu <7> | Muzukashii <6> | Oni <6> | Inner Oni <6>
  2. Change BG position of Vulkin and xtrem3x's diffs to "0,0,"deltkin.jpg",0,20" is better imo.Fixed.

Inner Oni
00:01:734 - until 00:08:545 - what sound are you following here? Try testing without effect sound. Changed pattern to follow vocals.
00:11:788 - delete or move to 00:11:464 Moved to 00:11:464.
00:21:112 - add d This was in the original diff, but I wanted to nerf some parts. It should be fine now, since mods reduced the note density in other spots.
00:28:491 (38,39,40,41,42) - ddddk for consistency Sounds good. Fixed.
00:46:004 - change k Good idea. Fixed.
01:03:193 - change d Fixed.
01:03:518 (156,157) - change k d Done.
01:06:518 - add d Same as 00:21:112 + fixed.
01:08:707 (8,9) - change d k Done.
01:09:031 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - kdkdkkddddk is better imo Yeah, the current pattern is probably too much. Fixed.
01:11:301 (33,34) - change d k Done.
01:12:599 (46) - change k Yeah, I should probably map the vocals with k. Fixed.
01:15:842 (76,77) - change d k
01:14:869 (66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74) - sounds weird, change to kdkkddkdk imo Changed to kkddkkkdk.
01:18:436 (7,8) - change d k Done.
01:20:382 (24,25) - change d k I wanted to map the vocals at 01:20:382 with k. I'll keep this in mind, though.
01:21:680 (36) - change d Fixed.
Very helpful mod. Thank you so much, GH! <3
xtrem3x

Invective wrote:

hi

mod
Kantan
  1. 01:01:409 (47,48) - I feel like the colours of these two notes could be swapped (or at least 01:01:409 (47) - changed to d) since ddkd fits the piano sounds better, given you've aligned the notes with the piano sounds. Pretty nitpicky in any case. <<< in note 47 follows vocal, in note 48 is drum roll.

Hope it helps :D
Thanks Invect -w-)/

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Roger
Back to mod the remaining diffs. no kds

Inner Oni
A little addition.
00:57:436 - add d
01:03:518 (156,157) - change k d
01:04:491 (163,164,165,166,167) - change ddkdk? kdkkd is already good though
01:18:436 (7,8) - you haven't changed this to d k

Note: Inner Oni +DT = OD6 HP6 Star6.67. Close enough lol.

Vulkin's Oni
00:17:707 - delete for flow
01:06:599 - change d
00:57:518 - change k

Luke's Muzukashii
00:17:301 - change D
00:20:220 (76,77) - change d d
00:47:788 - delete for flow
00:55:572 - delete for flow
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01:10:491 - change d
01:12:274 - change d
01:13:085 - change d
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01:20:869 - change d

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00:05:788 - delete
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00:11:301 - move to 00:11:464
00:12:436 (36,37,38) - change d k d
00:17:301 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - sounds weird
00:19:896 (10,11,12,13) - too empty for many sounds. change to k dk dkkd is better imo.
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00:51:355 - change k
00:51:680 - change d
00:57:193 - change k
01:01:896 - move to 01:02:058
01:03:355 (59,60,61,62,63) - change ddk d k
01:05:301 (67,68,69,70) - same like 00:19:896 (10,11,12,13)
01:14:220 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - are you following the vocals or the drum? sounds weird. change k d k k dk d is better imo
01:16:977 (9,10,11,12) - too empty too for many sounds. change to d kd dkkd
01:18:923 (14,15,16,17,18) - change ddk d k
01:22:815 - change d
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3x's Kantan
01:09:842 - change k
01:14:707 - change d
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Good luck for rank!

Protonori wrote:

Very helpful mod. Thank you so much, GH! <3 (y)
Topic Starter
Protonori

][ -GH- ][ wrote:

Back to mod the remaining diffs. no kds

Inner Oni
A little addition.
00:57:436 - add d Done.
01:03:518 (156,157) - change k d Sounds good.
01:04:491 (163,164,165,166,167) - change ddkdk? kdkkd is already good though Yeah, I like kdkkd for this spot. I'll keep this in mind,
though.

01:18:436 (7,8) - you haven't changed this to d k Oh, I didn't notice lol. Fixed~

Note: Inner Oni +DT = OD6 HP6 Star6.67. Close enough lol. So close... Well, mods might 'fix' this owo

Futsuu
00:03:355 (7,8) - change k d for consistency Yeah, I think this is better.
00:05:788 - delete Fixed.
00:10:653 - change d Done.
00:11:301 - move to 00:11:464 No change for now. I wanted to map the vocals at 00:11:301.
00:12:436 (36,37,38) - change d k d Okay, fixed.
00:17:301 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - sounds weird Adjusted pattern to follow vocals.
00:19:896 (10,11,12,13) - too empty for many sounds. change to k dk dkkd is better imo. Added.
00:44:545 (15,16) - change d d Sounds nice. Fixed.
00:51:355 - change k Done.
00:51:680 - change d Done.
00:57:193 - change k Yeah, I think this would be more consistent. Fixed.
01:01:896 - move to 01:02:058 I was following the vocals, but the piano is probably a better option. Fixed.
01:03:355 (59,60,61,62,63) - change ddk d k Okay.
01:05:301 (67,68,69,70) - same like 00:19:896 (10,11,12,13) Same.
01:14:220 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - are you following the vocals or the drum? sounds weird. change k d k k dk d is better imo It's supposed to follow the vocals lol. This sounds much better, though. Applied~
01:16:977 (9,10,11,12) - too empty too for many sounds. change to d kd dkkd Changed to d kd dk D (for finisher consistency).
01:18:923 (14,15,16,17,18) - change ddk d k Applied.
01:22:815 - change d Sounds better. Fixed.
01:28:491 - add K Yeah, this should be okay to add.

Good luck for rank! Thank you again! I appreciate it :)
Nifty
From that nifty queue~

3x's Kantan

◾ 01:28:491 - Every other diff has this greenline 100%, not 50%.
◽ There are volume discrepancies between this diff and the rest of the set, check to make sure they're identical.

Futsuu

◾ I would like to see the voice being followed more in the beginning instead of what seems like copy-pasted simple rhythms, for example you could move the 3 patterns to 00:02:382 - here to follow the voice instead of where it is. Otherwise, this intro is very monotonous.
◽ 00:11:464 - This missed vocal is very noticeable.
◾ Up until 00:17:301 - here this problem persists. Take a look at the highlighted point and apply that mapping style to the rest of the intro.
◽ 00:28:328 (10,11) - These aren't finishers but 00:33:518 (21,22) - these are? Fix or explain.
◾ 00:48:923 (25) - This is mapped to a vocal that you neglected to map 00:51:518 - here and it's very off-putting. You mapped this same red tick the rest of the time, so just change that one pattern to match.
◽ Through the whole kiai it's not obvious what you're mapping to at all. There's spots like 01:11:464 - where you're mapping explicitly to vocals, but then there's also 01:18:274 - where you're only mapping drums and neglecting the red ticks with vocals that you were mapping just a few bars earlier.

Luke's Muzukashii

◾ 00:23:788 - Instead of annoying triples, I think this section can be much better represented by double finishers emphasizing these hits. It's also a great middle point between the singles used in the futsuu and the doubles with fills in the oni.

SV would work great on this map.
strickluke

][ -GH- ][ wrote:

Back to mod the remaining diffs. no kds

Luke's Muzukashii
00:17:301 - change D this doesn't really change much/doesn't matter.
00:20:220 (76,77) - change d d ok
00:47:788 - delete for flow this does not affect flow
00:55:572 - delete for flow this does not affect flow
01:10:004 (106,107) - change d k ok
01:10:491 - change d ok
01:12:274 - change d ok
01:13:085 - change d ok
01:16:977 (141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149) - change ddd d kkk d k sound better imo changed to something similar
01:18:274 - change D eh, K works fine in the kiai time
01:20:869 - change d ok

Nifty wrote:

From that nifty queue~

Luke's Muzukashii

◾ 00:23:788 - Instead of annoying triples, I think this section can be much better represented by double finishers emphasizing these hits. It's also a great middle point between the singles used in the futsuu and the doubles with fills in the oni. discussed in irc! added
thanks for the mods! 8-)

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xtrem3x

][ -GH- ][ wrote:

Back to mod the remaining diffs. no kds

3x's Kantan
01:09:842 - change k <<< nou, is a vocal variation.
01:14:707 - change d <<< nou, other vocal variation ... not necessary to have varieties like these.
01:16:977 - change k <<< is possible
01:20:220 - change d <<< nou, other vocal variation.

Nifty wrote:

From that nifty queue~

3x's Kantan

◾ 01:28:491 - Every other diff has this greenline 100%, not 50%.
◽ There are volume discrepancies between this diff and the rest of the set, check to make sure they're identical.
**Copied all inherited points from Inner and adjusted**
Thanks to both modders -w-)/

update 10
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Source:ケイオスドラゴン赤竜戦役
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Topic Starter
Protonori

Nifty wrote:

From that nifty queue~

Futsuu

◾ I would like to see the voice being followed more in the beginning instead of what seems like copy-pasted simple rhythms, for example you could move the 3 patterns to 00:02:382 - here to follow the voice instead of where it is. Otherwise, this intro is very monotonous. Two reasons for this: this was a simplified version of the original Inner Oni, and I didn't want to add complex rhythms in Futsuu. I changed some patterns, though.
◽ 00:11:464 - This missed vocal is very noticeable. I wanted to add many breaks in this diff, but I guess it sounds strange. Added.
◾ Up until 00:17:301 - here this problem persists. Take a look at the highlighted point and apply that mapping style to the rest of the intro. Adjusted pattern to follow vocals, like Inner Oni.
◽ 00:28:328 (10,11) - These aren't finishers but 00:33:518 (21,22) - these are? Fix or explain. This is Futsuu, so I didn't want to fill kiai with 100% finisher spam. I also wanted to "change" the pattern for the end of kiai (a pattern change is present in Inner Oni as well).
◾ 00:48:923 (25) - This is mapped to a vocal that you neglected to map 00:51:518 - here and it's very off-putting. You mapped this same red tick the rest of the time, so just change that one pattern to match. This is actually mapped to the piano, not the vocals. I'll keep this in mind, though.
◽ Through the whole kiai it's not obvious what you're mapping to at all. There's spots like 01:11:464 - where you're mapping explicitly to vocals, but then there's also 01:18:274 - where you're only mapping drums and neglecting the red ticks with vocals that you were mapping just a few bars earlier. Adjusted to follow vocals.

SV would work great on this map. I was going to add SV to my map, but I realized that "SV + finisher spam" would probably annoy people.
Vulkin's Oni has some minor SV, though.
Thanks for the mod! Very helpful. :)
Vulkin

Invective wrote:

hi

mod
Oni
  1. 00:11:909 - Is there a reason why the green lines here are off the notes whereas they are on the notes everywhere else? idk tbh when i sent the diff first time, osu unsnapped the sv, so to make it work i moved it 1/8 back, but tbh since they're snapped and nothing else is affected, i think i can just leave them like that
  2. 00:27:112 (121) - Change to k for consistency with the other triplet? yes
  3. 01:17:869 - Add a note? I think a 5-plet works better with the drum sounds (assuming you don't want to have finishers at the end of a pattern so no 7-plet). Though maybe that makes the section a bit dense. yeah but whatever, added

Hope it helps :D
Thanks Invective!

][ -GH- ][ wrote:

Hi~

General
  1. HP spread suggestion considering amount of notes: Kantan <8> | Futsuu <7> | Muzukashii <6> | Oni <6> | Inner Oni <6> ok
  2. Change BG position of Vulkin and xtrem3x's diffs to "0,0,"deltkin.jpg",0,20" is better imo. 70 feels better for me

Vulkin's Oni
00:17:707 - delete for flow consistency with 00:19:004 (81) -
01:06:599 - change d already d?
00:57:518 - change k already k?
Thanks -GH-

Sorry for delay Protonori, im dying with exams

Update
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Raytoly
yo I'm here for M4M
3x's Kantan
00:52:328 how about k k k? cause d d d you used in here 00:47:139
01:05:301 change to kkk?
Futsuu
01:11:464 change to dk kd? opposite this 01:08:869
Luke's Muzukashii
00:04:166 add k here
00:51:680 you should delete this note feel like this 00:49:085
00:56:220 try my pattern
Vulkin's Oni
hey I like bg it's look good
00:45:518 change to dkddk and delete 00:46:328 I can't hear sound
look good
Inner Oni
00:04:815 change to k it's high-pitched
00:35:707 and 00:36:193 maybe you should delete them
00:37:896 add note
00:48:436 from here please try my pattern

00:53:626 ^
good luck~~~~ :) :) :)
Topic Starter
Protonori

Cocoaaa wrote:

yo I'm here for M4M
Futsuu
01:11:464 change to dk kd? opposite this 01:08:869 I'm following the vocals here. I made some adjustment in kiai, though.
Inner Oni
00:04:815 change to k it's high-pitched I changed some patterns here
00:35:707 and 00:36:193 maybe you should delete them I think it's fine. I'll keep this in mind, though.
00:37:896 add noteI like this idea, but I want to be consistent with 00:43:247.
00:48:436 from here please try my pattern I really like your pattern, but I'm not sure if I want to change. If someone else dislikes the current pattern, I'll use your idea.

00:53:626 ^ ^
good luck~~~~ :) :) :)
Thank you for the mod~ :)
xtrem3x

Cocoaaa wrote:

yo I'm here for M4M
3x's Kantan
00:52:328 how about k k k? cause d d d you used in here 00:47:139- <<< right .. is other vocal.
01:05:301 change to kkk? <<< nou ... is progressive drum.
thanks (-w-)/

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The timing is all over the place because of the song's production and I'm not really sure what to do about it yet. If I get some kind of solution I'll let you know.

[Inner Oni]
00:14:869 (63) - This kat really disrupts the flow of the whole section. I would change it to a don to keep flow and consistency.
00:28:491 (38,39,40,41,42) - A 5 pelt pattern feels really out of place here. Mainly because it is not consistent with the heavy finisher usage of places like 00:25:734 (17,18,19,20,21) - and the whole section in general. I would use the same type of 1/2 pattern with the finishers being the focus, but you can use a different combination for variation. K d K d D works well. Or just stick to K d D k D like previous the patterns if you want.
00:33:680 (78,79,80,81) - Fill this in to make it a 5 pelt? Unlike the above suggestion using a 5 pelt here to finish off the section is more suitable. Stuff like ddkkd or ddkdk work well.
00:49:896 (72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91) - This section doesn't have a very strong rhythm i relation to the song. This is because the kat at the end of the previous pattern, kkddk, altering the flow. Here is my suggestion:

(72 is the note starting at 00:49:896)
00:55:085 (116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125) - The same as above applies here. But I would treat the end a little different because of the drum rolls.
00:56:707 (129,130,131) - Speaking of those drums rolls. I would make this kkd and the end of the stream (00:57:518 (138) - ) a don. Feels a little better imo.
01:02:869 (152) - This section is suffering from a weird rhythm as well. Changing this one is much easier though. Just changing some colors around to better represent the vocal rhythm. 01:02:869 (152,153) - Swap these two colors. 01:03:842 (159) - Make this a kat. 01:04:491 (164,165,166,167,168) - Make this ddkdk. 01:04:977 (169) - Change this to a don. 01:05:139 (170,171) - Lastly, fill this in and make it kkd. This will help changing the flow from the new pattern adjustments into the long stream. You should end up with something like this:


The first half or so of the kiai needs a few adjustments. (between 01:07:896 (1) - and 01:16:491 (81) - ) The overall rhythm doesn't really have a core, making it feel really random. Also the long streams at 01:09:031 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - , 01:11:626 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45) - and 01:14:869 (66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74) - . Are extremely over mapped, but should be relatively easy to fix while keeping some density if that is what you prefer. I would recommend using similar patterns like what you have from 01:18:274 forward. As the rhythm here feels more structured. Instead of typing a huge wall i'll give you that advice for now. Unless you want me to go really in depth you can contact me in-game or on the forums.

[Vulkin's Oni]
01:17:788 (377,378,379,380,381) - kdkkk seems a little out of place here. Pretty difficult pattern and overall the map has been using very simple ones. ddkkk would work a lot better.
01:19:572 - Add a don here then delete 01:19:734 (391,392) - . The rhythm you currently have isn't very smooth, its ok to ignore the vocal for this part just to have a more solid rhythm.

[Luke's Muzukashii]
The whole opening sections (except for the drum section at the very end 00:19:896 (75) - ) should be less dense because it is almost the same density as Oni and that isn't helping the spread. For the intro (00:01:734 (1) - ) using less triplets will tones down the density for a more even spread. And for the 2nd part of the intro (00:11:950 (37) - ) using less of the 5 note patterns and more doubles/triples will do the same to make a more even spread.
00:19:896 (75,76,77,78,79,80) - This should be filled in with more 1/2 notes to match the intensity of the drums coming in (Possibly adding a triplet near the end of the pattern, around here 00:20:869 (79,80) - ). Also it needs more density to establish the spread to Oni. The Oni has 1/4 5 pelt streams here.
00:48:436 (32) - 00:51:031 (43) - and 00:54:923 (62) - Should all be changed to dons to keep the downbeat rhythm consistent. This will create a more solid rhythm for the section that newer players will need. With this you can make some adjustments to other patterns as you see fit. I would recommend changing the notes following the down beat to kats, keeping the snare sounds consistent. That leaves you to be creative in between.
00:56:220 (68,69,70,71,72) - This could be more dense because of spread reasons as well. The Oni has a lot of triplets here, so using some 1/2 and maybe a triplet will help that density gap.

The kiai also suffers from the same problem the intro did. The density is pretty close to Oni's. Toning down some of the 5 pelts like 01:09:518 (105,106,107,108,109) - and 01:12:112 (118,119,120,121,122) - for example would help greatly. Especially since you use a lot more triplets here. Also using the same approach I stated before as keeping the downbeat dons and the snares kats will establish a more solid rhythm. If needed I can come back and go more in depth about this.

[Futsuu]
Overall the futsuu needs a lot of work as well. Like the muzukashii the 2 intro sections are too dense. Following the beat instead of following the vocal so strictly will help make the difficulty less complex. Also pulling from what I said about the muzukashii, making the downbeats don and the snares kats will greatly improve the overall rhythm and make it more appropriate for this level of difficulty. This statement applies mostly to section like 00:47:139 (19) - and the kiai at 01:07:896 (1) - , where the rhythm is set aside to follow the vocal with more complex patterns. The kiai is the main offender because following the vocals creates these long strings of notes (like at 01:10:491 (9) - ) that are much to dense for a futsuu. Because basically every section will need tweaking I can send you a modified version of the difficulty instead of typing a giant wall of text that might give you a headache reading to give you a better representation of what i'm explaining here.

I'm leaving Kantan alone for right now but, it will most likely need some adjustments as well after Muzukashii and Futsuu are taken care of.

Really sorry for the giant mod. There is a lot of stuff that needed to be addressed if you are going to push this for Qualified/Ranked and I don't want to see you struggling with the set being DQ'd over and over. So let me know in-game or via forum PM if you have questions or need me to come back!
Topic Starter
Protonori

MMzz wrote:

The timing is all over the place because of the song's production and I'm not really sure what to do about it yet. If I get some kind of solution I'll let you know.
I'd appreciate it!

[Inner Oni]
00:14:869 (63) - This kat really disrupts the flow of the whole section. I would change it to a don to keep flow and consistency. Done.
00:28:491 (38,39,40,41,42) - A 5 pelt pattern feels really out of place here. Mainly because it is not consistent with the heavy finisher usage of places like 00:25:734 (17,18,19,20,21) - and the whole section in general. I would use the same type of 1/2 pattern with the finishers being the focus, but you can use a different combination for variation. K d K d D works well. Or just stick to K d D k D like previous the patterns if you want. Yeah, someone else suggested this in their mod. Changed to K d K d D.
00:33:680 (78,79,80,81) - Fill this in to make it a 5 pelt? Unlike the above suggestion using a 5 pelt here to finish off the section is more suitable. Stuff like ddkkd or ddkdk work well. Yep, I think ddkkd is fine.
00:49:896 (72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91) - This section doesn't have a very strong rhythm i relation to the song. This is because the kat at the end of the previous pattern, kkddk, altering the flow. Here is my suggestion:

(72 is the note starting at 00:49:896) Sounds much better. Applied.
00:55:085 (116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125) - The same as above applies here. But I would treat the end a little different because of the drum rolls. Same as above + minor pattern change at the end.
00:56:707 (129,130,131) - Speaking of those drums rolls. I would make this kkd and the end of the stream (00:57:518 (138) - ) a don. Feels a little better imo. I wanted to map the vocals with k, but this seems like a better idea. Applied.
01:02:869 (152) - This section is suffering from a weird rhythm as well. Changing this one is much easier though. Just changing some colors around to better represent the vocal rhythm. 01:02:869 (152,153) - Swap these two colors. 01:03:842 (159) - Make this a kat. 01:04:491 (164,165,166,167,168) - Make this ddkdk. 01:04:977 (169) - Change this to a don. 01:05:139 (170,171) - Lastly, fill this in and make it kkd. This will help changing the flow from the new pattern adjustments into the long stream. You should end up with something like this:

Applied everything except for the k at 01:05:220. I wanted the stream length to match 00:19:896.

The first half or so of the kiai needs a few adjustments. (between 01:07:896 (1) - and 01:16:491 (81) - ) The overall rhythm doesn't really have a core, making it feel really random. Also the long streams at 01:09:031 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - , 01:11:626 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45) - and 01:14:869 (66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74) - . Are extremely over mapped, but should be relatively easy to fix while keeping some density if that is what you prefer. I would recommend using similar patterns like what you have from 01:18:274 forward. As the rhythm here feels more structured. Instead of typing a huge wall i'll give you that advice for now. Unless you want me to go really in depth you can contact me in-game or on the forums.
Changed patterns in first half of kiai + reduced stream length.

[Futsuu]
Overall the futsuu needs a lot of work as well. Like the muzukashii the 2 intro sections are too dense. Following the beat instead of following the vocal so strictly will help make the difficulty less complex. Also pulling from what I said about the muzukashii, making the downbeats don and the snares kats will greatly improve the overall rhythm and make it more appropriate for this level of difficulty. This statement applies mostly to section like 00:47:139 (19) - and the kiai at 01:07:896 (1) - , where the rhythm is set aside to follow the vocal with more complex patterns. The kiai is the main offender because following the vocals creates these long strings of notes (like at 01:10:491 (9) - ) that are much to dense for a futsuu. Because basically every section will need tweaking I can send you a modified version of the difficulty instead of typing a giant wall of text that might give you a headache reading to give you a better representation of what i'm explaining here.
Yeah, I might need to remap this diff (or just kiai). I'll send you a forum PM if needed, but I'll try not to bother you too much lol

I'm leaving Kantan alone for right now but, it will most likely need some adjustments as well after Muzukashii and Futsuu are taken care of.

Really sorry for the giant mod. There is a lot of stuff that needed to be addressed if you are going to push this for Qualified/Ranked and I don't want to see you struggling with the set being DQ'd over and over. So let me know in-game or via forum PM if you have questions or need me to come back!
There's no need to apologize. I appreciate the quality of your mods. If anything, I should apologize for making you do this lol
Thank you for the extensive mod, MMzz! :)
Vulkin

Cocoaaa wrote:

Vulkin's Oni
hey I like bg it's look good
00:45:518 change to dkddk and delete 00:46:328 I can't hear sound made it dkddk, but not deleting, feels more comfortable to play
look good thank you!~

MMzz wrote:

The timing is all over the place because of the song's production and I'm not really sure what to do about it yet. If I get some kind of solution I'll let you know. I hear it pretty good imo, whatcha talking about? inb4 we have to do 3/16

[Vulkin's Oni]
01:17:788 (377,378,379,380,381) - kdkkk seems a little out of place here. Pretty difficult pattern and overall the map has been using very simple ones. ddkkk would work a lot better. I hope it doesnt make that part a bit too dense...
01:19:572 - Add a don here then delete 01:19:734 (391,392) - . The rhythm you currently have isn't very smooth, its ok to ignore the vocal for this part just to have a more solid rhythm. Feels weird, I'll put it for now and wait for feedback
Thank you both Cocoaaa and MMzz!

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strickluke

Cocoaaa wrote:

Luke's Muzukashii
00:04:166 add k here no, it doesn't fit structurally
00:51:680 you should delete this note feel like this 00:49:085 ok, changed around a few patterns to fit this
00:56:220 try my pattern i want to deviate from the normal rhythm of this section and place a few finish notes for this ending of the section, i think its more interesting

MMzz wrote:

[Luke's Muzukashii]
The whole opening sections (except for the drum section at the very end 00:19:896 (75) - ) should be less dense because it is almost the same density as Oni and that isn't helping the spread. For the intro (00:01:734 (1) - ) using less triplets will tones down the density for a more even spread. And for the 2nd part of the intro (00:11:950 (37) - ) using less of the 5 note patterns and more doubles/triples will do the same to make a more even spread. lowered pattern density overall in this section!

00:19:896 (75,76,77,78,79,80) - This should be filled in with more 1/2 notes to match the intensity of the drums coming in (Possibly adding a triplet near the end of the pattern, around here 00:20:869 (79,80) - ). Also it needs more density to establish the spread to Oni. The Oni has 1/4 5 pelt streams here. added more notes (and a triplet, too)

00:48:436 (32) - 00:51:031 (43) - and 00:54:923 (62) - Should all be changed to dons to keep the downbeat rhythm consistent. This will create a more solid rhythm for the section that newer players will need. With this you can make some adjustments to other patterns as you see fit. I would recommend changing the notes following the down beat to kats, keeping the snare sounds consistent. That leaves you to be creative in between. seems way better, fixed

00:56:220 (68,69,70,71,72) - This could be more dense because of spread reasons as well. The Oni has a lot of triplets here, so using some 1/2 and maybe a triplet will help that density gap. buffed this section

The kiai also suffers from the same problem the intro did. The density is pretty close to Oni's. Toning down some of the 5 pelts like 01:09:518 (105,106,107,108,109) - and 01:12:112 (118,119,120,121,122) - for example would help greatly. Especially since you use a lot more triplets here. Also using the same approach I stated before as keeping the downbeat dons and the snares kats will establish a more solid rhythm. If needed I can come back and go more in depth about this. overall, the patterns have become more mindful of the downbeat so that newer players aren't overwhelmed by more advanced rhythms
thank you very much for the great mods :D

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Source:ケイオスドラゴン赤竜戦役
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Karee Pan
Hey hey from my queue.

[3x'sKantan]
00:40:004 (4,9) - Would like to see these deleted to separate more from the more intense spots.
Very solid Kantan.

[Futsuu]
00:10:004 (17) - This guitar feels insignificant compared to the pretty long vocal that starts at (16), wouldn't mind deleting it.
00:14:220 (29) - Maybe k for the higher vocal pitch
00:19:896 (10) - ^but d for lower
00:56:220 - You could just copy what you did at 00:51:031 - and end it with k_K to keep following the piano through this section
01:02:382 (56) - I would prefere to let the (55)piano sound "fly". The (56)hihat feels very insignificant compared to it.
01:08:220 (2,9) - The start of this kiai is weird, i realize theres really nothing but the drums to map to,
however as you map the vocals for the rest of the Kiai maybe these 2 snare sounds could be deleted to separate from the drums more clearly.

[Luke's Muzukashii]
00:09:031 - How about https://i.imgur.com/zdChxMh.jpg
00:15:355 (48) - Maybe just move to 00:15:518 and 00:16:815 (54) - to 00:16:491 - to have 3 consistant patterns in this section.
01:07:896 (99) - It's D in every other difficulty, also consider mapping 01:07:247 -
01:09:518 - Yeah i kind of like it, but for muzuconsistency you could just make it kd_dk
Nice map.

[Vulkin's Oni]
00:10:328 (37,38,39,40) - I would swap these 4 with the next 4, to my ear that sounds better. Maybe i just have dirt in my ears.
01:01:085 - I think we gotta map this syllable too
01:16:166 (365) - Maybe d and delete 01:16:328 (366) - for consistency
01:19:896 (392,393,394) - This could also be the same kd_ thats all over the kiai ?
Good Stuff Vulkin

[Inner Oni]
00:06:436 (19) - Maybe k to match the previous sound
00:09:355 (29,30) - Ctrl-g sounds better to me ?
00:17:058 (81,82) - These 2 might be too much intensity for this section
00:12:274 (43,63) - Could consider deleting these for a more clear intensity build in this section
01:01:247 - Would map this syllable too
01:06:436 (188,189,190) - Could consider kkd to end the stream with a d.
01:13:247 (47) - 01:18:436 (7) - You could delete these to separate the verses in the Kiai a bit


Yey good set :) Best of luck!
Topic Starter
Protonori

Karee Pan wrote:

Hey hey from my queue.

[Futsuu]
00:10:004 (17) - This guitar feels insignificant compared to the pretty long vocal that starts at (16), wouldn't mind deleting it. Done.
00:14:220 (29) - Maybe k for the higher vocal pitch Okay
00:19:896 (10) - ^but d for lower Sounds nice, but I wanted to reflect the intensity of the drums with k.
00:56:220 - You could just copy what you did at 00:51:031 - and end it with k_K to keep following the piano through this section Same as above. I'll keep this in mind, though.
01:02:382 (56) - I would prefere to let the (55)piano sound "fly". The (56)hihat feels very insignificant compared to it. Yeah, good point.
Deleted.

01:08:220 (2,9) - The start of this kiai is weird, i realize theres really nothing but the drums to map to,
however as you map the vocals for the rest of the Kiai maybe these 2 snare sounds could be deleted to separate from the drums more clearly. Yep, this seems good. Applied.

[Inner Oni]
00:06:436 (19) - Maybe k to match the previous sound I'll think about this. I wanted to mirror the pattern at 00:03:193 (7,8,9).
00:09:355 (29,30) - Ctrl-g sounds better to me ? Same as above. I wanted to mirror the pattern at 00:08:382 (26,27,28).
00:17:058 (81,82) - These 2 might be too much intensity for this section Good point. Deleted note 81.
00:12:274 (43,63) - Could consider deleting these for a more clear intensity build in this section I think the intensity build is fine for now.
I'll change this if other modders point this out, though.

01:01:247 - Would map this syllable too I'll consider this. There was a note in the original diff, but someone suggested deleting it.
01:06:436 (188,189,190) - Could consider kkd to end the stream with a d. I wanted to use a pattern similar to 00:19:896. I might change the pattern, but I'll wait for more mods.
01:13:247 (47) - 01:18:436 (7) - You could delete these to separate the verses in the Kiai a bit I think the kiai density is fine, but I'll use your suggestion if another modder suggests it.


Yey good set :) Best of luck!
Thanks for modding the full set! Very helpful mod. :)
Mew
Hi, m4m thingy with Vulkin

[3x's Kantan]
00:34:166 (21) - Don't know how I feel about this being a kat, since the entire section alternates between don and kat up to this point, the 2 kats at the end might catch players off-guard
00:46:653 - Delete this green line as it doesn't do anything in this diff
00:55:572 (42) - You could move this note to 00:56:869 - for the sake of both variety and the pretty loud drums here
01:01:409 (47) - Change to d, I feel like you should stick to following the pitch of the piano.. you could even add k at 01:02:058 -
01:17:626 - Add k? This drum fill is pretty significant
01:27:517 (82,83) - Ctrl+G? Using a pattern like this on top of a red tick rhythm seems like an unreasonable diff spike in an otherwise straight-forward map, so I suggest you stick with the pattern you established in the first red tick section

[Futsuu]
00:18:274 (5) - Delete? There's no vocals supporting this note and the section is already pretty dense as it is
00:46:653 - Delete this green line, same as Kantan
01:02:707 - I think this build-up could use a break somewhere
01:10:166 - Add k?
01:13:572 (6,7,8) - I can see an all red tick triplet being pretty confusing to read, you could add a note at 01:13:409 - to give players some sort of a reference point

[Muzukashii]
01:13:085 (123) - Finisher?

[Vulkin's Oni]
00:28:004 (127,128,129) - This pattern feels really out of place, ddd works just fine imo
00:46:004 (192) - Change to k to match the pitch of the piano

[Inner Oni]
00:28:977 - You could definitely play around with the patterning some more in the second half of this section.. copy pasting the same structure/patterns 4 times is a wasted opportunity
00:53:950 (108) - Change to k?
00:55:734 (124,125,126) - How about k k d instead? It'd be a nice way to play off of the vocals.. basically a continuation of 00:55:247 (120,121) -
01:00:923 (143,144,145,146,147,148,149) - I can see that you're trying to follow both the piano and the vocals, however it ends up making the placements of the notes come off as sorta random here (to me at least).. I suggest you ditch the last piano note and go with the vocals instead, so move 01:02:058 (148) - to 01:01:247 - ; and change 01:01:409 (145) - to d

Hope this helped a little, best of luck to all of you!
strickluke

Karee Pan wrote:

Hey hey from my queue.
[Luke's Muzukashii]
00:09:031 - How about https://i.imgur.com/zdChxMh.jpg made this entire section a bit more structured

00:15:355 (48) - Maybe just move to 00:15:518 and 00:16:815 (54) - to 00:16:491 - to have 3 consistant patterns in this section. not changing the second part because i want this section to cut down on 5-note patterns

01:07:896 (99) - It's D in every other difficulty, also consider mapping 01:07:247 - swapped the K and D, but i'm not mapping the vocal there

01:09:518 - Yeah i kind of like it, but for muzuconsistency you could just make it kd_dk yeah oke changed
Nice map. big thank

Mew104 wrote:

[Muzukashii]
01:13:085 (123) - Finisher? oke
thank for mods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Vulkin

Karee Pan wrote:

Hey hey from my queue. remind me to mod the other diffs in Psi Desu

[Vulkin's Oni]
00:10:328 (37,38,39,40) - I would swap these 4 with the next 4, to my ear that sounds better. Maybe i just have dirt in my ears. Both work tbh,
but i prefer what i have :P

01:01:085 - I think we gotta map this syllable too definitely
01:16:166 (365) - Maybe d and delete 01:16:328 (366) - for consistency i wanted to show some variation to represent that theres something somewhat different coming, because after the previous patterns, it kinda repeats, so i wanna break the loop here to emphasize 01:16:977 -
01:19:896 (392,393,394) - This could also be the same kd_ thats all over the kiai ? Eh yeah why not
Good Stuff Vulkin Thank you!

Mew104 wrote:

Hi, m4m thingy with Vulkin Ill finish my mod after responding uwu

[Vulkin's Oni]
00:28:004 (127,128,129) - This pattern feels really out of place, ddd works just fine imo ill make 00:27:112 (121) - k do it works too, because im trying to do a bit of variation, just K d d K ddd copypasted is pretty boring
00:46:004 (192) - Change to k to match the pitch of the piano Definitely!

Hope this helped a little, best of luck to all of you! Thank you for modding this QWQ
Thank you both Karee Pan & Mew104!

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Topic Starter
Protonori

Mew104 wrote:

Hi, m4m thingy with Vulkin
Well, this reply took longer than expected. Sorry about that.

[Futsuu]
00:18:274 (5) - Delete? There's no vocals supporting this note and the section is already pretty dense as it is
00:46:653 - Delete this green line, same as Kantan
01:02:707 - I think this build-up could use a break somewhere
01:10:166 - Add k?
01:13:572 (6,7,8) - I can see an all red tick triplet being pretty confusing to read, you could add a note at 01:13:409 - to give players some sort of a reference point
Fixed all of the above. Sounds a bit odd at 01:02:707, but the density problem should be gone.

[Inner Oni]
00:28:977 - You could definitely play around with the patterning some more in the second half of this section.. copy pasting the same structure/patterns 4 times is a wasted opportunity Yeah, Backfire said the same thing. I just can't figure out a new pattern set.
00:53:950 (108) - Change to k? Seems good for variety. Fixed.
00:55:734 (124,125,126) - How about k k d instead? It'd be a nice way to play off of the vocals.. basically a continuation of 00:55:247 (120,121) - Agreed & fixed.
01:00:923 (143,144,145,146,147,148,149) - I can see that you're trying to follow both the piano and the vocals, however it ends up making the placements of the notes come off as sorta random here (to me at least).. I suggest you ditch the last piano note and go with the vocals instead, so move 01:02:058 (148) - to 01:01:247 - ; and change 01:01:409 (145) - to d Sounds great. Fixed!

Hope this helped a little, best of luck to all of you!
Very helpful, actually. Thanks for your input! :)
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