19:26 Faputa: Hi /w
19:26 Faputa: o/
19:27 iloveyou4ever: HIHI
19:27 Faputa: wanna IRC this
19:27 *Faputa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1418603 Nanahira - Petals [Le Jardin]]
19:27 iloveyou4ever: but gonna have dinner...
19:27 iloveyou4ever: 30-40 mins?
19:28 Faputa: wa, okay, let me draft some parts that I want to point out first then
19:28 Faputa: have your time
19:28 iloveyou4ever: ok!
19:47 Faputa: when you are available, tell me
20:15 iloveyou4ever: hi
20:15 Faputa: Okay
20:15 Faputa: Let's start?
20:16 iloveyou4ever: ok
20:16 Faputa: The metadata is great
20:16 Faputa: Let's move on to the volume:
20:16 Faputa: I think 70% volume is not enough for the kiai.
20:16 Faputa: Some kat sounds become blurred due to the background synth sound and results in inadequate feedback to players. You can try 75%-80%, it will be better.
20:18 iloveyou4ever: I will change to 73% and add a 75% on 1. Offset: 146ms BPM: 192.00
20:18 iloveyou4ever: *on 04:43:896 -
20:18 Faputa: okay
20:19 iloveyou4ever: oh maybe 75 and 77
20:19 iloveyou4ever: ok changed
20:19 Faputa: 01:52:724 (279) - 02:56:474 (208) - You may want to change this to kat.
20:19 Faputa: I noticed you place kats before the heavy downbeat sounds, like 01:35:927 (128) - and 01:37:177 (140) -
20:20 Faputa: So that should pinpoint the general style of this map? That feature is very abundant in the diff
20:22 iloveyou4ever: emm...
20:23 Faputa: or other patterns may work better than ddddk,
20:24 iloveyou4ever: I think ddddk can better emphasize 02:56:708 - this and also outstanding piano sound follow by
20:25 Faputa: I see
20:25 iloveyou4ever: fewer k at 01:52:646 - and more k at 01:53:271 -
20:25 iloveyou4ever: if you know what I mean
20:25 Faputa: If in that case, how about deleting 02:56:474 (208) - before these outstanding piano parts? Just a suggestion
20:26 Faputa: Let's move on if nah
20:26 iloveyou4ever: but the bass sound is quite obvious, also following a consistent structure like 02:46:396 (107,108,109,110,111) -
20:27 Faputa: okay
20:27 Faputa: for this stream 04:23:427 (87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96) -
20:28 Faputa: or any other ddkkkkkkkd
20:28 Faputa: I think dddkkkkkkd will be more fitting than the current one just as yu said
20:28 Faputa: because another stronger synth sound appears at 04:23:583 (90) -
20:29 iloveyou4ever: what is a synth sound? I said other modders also use this term but idk what it is actually
20:30 Faputa: Oh, You can try slowing down to 50%, check this sound at (90)
20:30 Faputa: There is a Drum rim-like sound enters
20:30 Faputa: but not at 04:23:531 (89) -
20:32 iloveyou4ever: emm ok I will change to dddkkkkkkkd
20:32 Faputa: alright
20:33 Faputa: 04:32:333 (180,181) - How about changing to d k to be like 04:37:333 (232,233) -
20:34 Faputa: I see you use d k usually in these occasions
20:34 iloveyou4ever: emm trying to give more variation here
20:34 iloveyou4ever: just like 02:46:083 -
20:35 Faputa: Okay
20:36 Faputa: then would you consider changing this to kat? 01:42:333 (185) - It has the same double bell sounds at the parts you have stated
20:36 Faputa: To create a consistent variation
20:38 Faputa: Also this part, 01:42:333 (185) - but it is slightly inaudible
20:38 iloveyou4ever: but it'd be a bit repetitive with 01:41:083 -
20:38 iloveyou4ever: emm...
20:39 Faputa: Maybe you can rework that part so it is less repetitive?
20:41 iloveyou4ever: idk if this is a valid reason but actually the vocal in first kiai is different from second and third kiai
20:41 Faputa: I notice you use k k for the first kiai and k d for the second kiai in these parts, are there actually any reason?
20:41 iloveyou4ever: emm where?
20:42 Faputa: 01:34:833 (119,120,121) - vs 02:42:958 (74,75,76) -, i.e. the parts with 1/2 triples
20:42 Faputa: but starts with a drum rim sound at the start of these triples
20:43 iloveyou4ever: the vocal here is high-pitched at 01:34:833 (119,120) -
20:43 iloveyou4ever: the second kiai is more vocal-mapped, while first is following drum and bass sound more closely
20:44 iloveyou4ever: *mixing both drum and vocal in 2nd kiai I'd say
20:44 Faputa: Alright, get it.
20:45 iloveyou4ever: fuck I am even confused with myself...
20:45 Faputa: Oh.. Be careful
20:45 iloveyou4ever: I get what you mean, but somehow I think it's very hard to keep everything consistent while with suitable variation
20:46 Faputa: actually both flows well, but I wanna know the underlying reasons, so I can understand why you do so and move on
20:47 iloveyou4ever: emm I guess no reason for that, I just try to put notes in different ways so it would play less repetitive?
20:47 iloveyou4ever: yeah both k k d and k d d flows good imo
20:48 iloveyou4ever: and I will increase some volume too by 3-5%
20:48 Faputa: 04:35:614 (214,215,216) - Why is this one the only kdk in the last kiai? 2 of these would make it more reasonable with regard to the map's style and the intention to make it less repetitive
20:49 Faputa: How about this one? 04:55:302 (426,427,428) -
20:49 Faputa: or others
20:51 iloveyou4ever: kdk for 04:35:614 (214,215,216) - this is variate from 04:36:552 (223,224,225) -
20:51 Faputa: Yeah
20:52 Faputa: Having another pair of this variate is more elegant or somewhat in my view imo
20:52 Faputa: Just a suggestion though
20:52 iloveyou4ever: ddk of 04:55:302 is being consistent with 04:45:302 -
20:52 iloveyou4ever: 04:45:302 -
20:54 Faputa: hmm? Not 04:44:052 (302,303,304) - included?
20:54 iloveyou4ever: this is consistent with 04:54:052 (412,413,414) -
20:54 iloveyou4ever: dkk
20:55 Faputa: okay
20:55 iloveyou4ever: the sound of 04:45:302 - is different from 04:44:052 -
20:55 Faputa: Yeah, understood just now
20:56 Faputa: this one is a bit tricky though 04:47:489 (339,340,341,342) -
20:57 iloveyou4ever: emm just the matter of different playstyle
20:58 Faputa: If you wanna indicate the intensity, kkk or adding more 1/4s should work too, so why do you specifically map 1/6 here, but there's actually no 1/6s here?
20:59 iloveyou4ever: >Though there're no such 1/6 sound at that part,my point is that the intensity of the song can support that.
20:59 iloveyou4ever: listed in the box in the map description
20:59 Faputa: Umm, okay
21:00 iloveyou4ever: tho idk if it's a valid reason tho...
21:00 iloveyou4ever: but to me plays more fun
21:01 Faputa: you may need to wait for the second BN for that one, I do agree this sort of improvisation, adding extra notes within 1/4 to make it becomes 1/6 is applicable here
21:01 Faputa: Then here comes the last thing I believe.
21:01 iloveyou4ever: yeah that might be an arguable issue
21:02 Faputa: You may want to rework the colours of this part. 05:00:771 (487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495) -?
21:02 Faputa: Similar to 04:59:521 (473,474,475) - , I think you should better use more continuous 1/4 kats here to indicate that very high-pitched piano
21:02 Faputa: or I should say, similar to 05:02:099 (503,504,505) - *
21:04 iloveyou4ever: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10599768
21:04 iloveyou4ever: how about this?
21:04 Faputa: Yeah,
21:05 Faputa: You may also want to decrease the number of continuous kats at the previous two 04:58:271 (458,459,460) - 04:59:521 (473,474,475) - ?
21:09 iloveyou4ever: I think it'd be cooler to have kkk for both three streams
21:09 Faputa: Alright
21:10 Faputa: Please update it
21:11 iloveyou4ever: I am moving the greenline to a 1/4 or 1/6 beat before
21:12 Faputa: okay
21:15 iloveyou4ever: updated
21:15 iloveyou4ever: please check the volume and greenline location again
21:15 iloveyou4ever: 0.05* lower rip pp
21:16 Faputa: Rip, OD is a reasonable number though. Who cares a 0.05* drop and its relation to pp :3c
21:17 iloveyou4ever: it's not a pp map anyways 'w'
21:17 iloveyou4ever: I think?
21:18 Faputa: 00:08:271 (1) - You may also add Volume changes within this spinner just like 04:01:552 (1) -
21:19 iloveyou4ever: but the music here 05:23:896 - is louder than the beginning
21:20 iloveyou4ever: I guess I'll add a 35%
21:20 Faputa: yeah
21:21 iloveyou4ever: added
21:23 Faputa: I guess that's all. You can update the map again
21:23 iloveyou4ever: updated!
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Nice map :3 
