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smallboat wrote:

Sorry delay 1 week come here because I have irl work a bit busy.

[Walao's Party]

00:54:300 (1,2,3) - 00:54:900 (1,2,3) - 00:55:500 (1,2,3) - 00:56:100 (1,2,3) - -> These stream pattern place a bit weird.
(I suggest 00:54:900 (1,2,3) - Put (478|238), 00:55:500 (1,2,3) - Put (454|226), 00:56:100 (1,2,3)-Put (431|218), become a curve pattern will looks neat.) fixed
00:54:750 (4,4,4,4) - Don't forget these notes you can follow above I say these put suggestion. fixed
01:48:975 (2) - Keep the same distance with this stream combo notes won't looks like so strange. 01:48:900 (1,2,3,4,1) - i want to make this part as the highest point of the stream, so i increase the spacing by 0.2x for every circles. but i forgot to increase the spacing for the first one xP, made them all 0.2x ds now xD
02:30:000 (1) - (166|13)? I think put here it will be a good pattern imo.fixed
Thanks for the mod, sorry for the late reply, quite bz lately

update : https://puu.sh/yo06X/549646f658.osu
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All diffs update !
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Wait im not done here!

[walao]
  1. https://i.imgur.com/Ywj4ke6.png ��� xd
  2. 00:08:700 (1,1,1,1) - On such quiet sections without any loud background noise, I humbly recommend silencing sliderends, it sounds obnoxious atm imo.
  3. 00:15:900 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^ basically.
  4. 00:53:700 (3) - In your structure you don't use this kind of red anchoring, and generally having such a little straight line on the end of a slider doesn't look good, especially if it's not overlapping with itself. Since you're fond of overlaps, something like this should fit https://i.imgur.com/GGflGTb.jpg.
  5. 01:04:800 (1) - Can you make the second curve more circular and then do a proper blanket.
  6. 01:11:100 (1,2) - Low background noise, having sliderends muted should sound a lot better tbh. It also turns out to be a bigger problem with the fact that the sliderheads are not hitsounded with whistles for example. In the current state the important vocal has the same hitsounding as a nonexistent blue tick note in the song.
  7. 01:15:000 (1,2) - Since these two don't have any impactful vocals, it should be a good idea to make them have much lower spacing than 01:15:300 (1,2,1,2) - they all have strong vocals on them. https://i.imgur.com/oedIbfV.jpg Random example, but by doing this the difference between notes that have impactful vocals and those that don't will be strongly felt.
  8. 01:30:300 (1,2,3) - I don't think it suits your structure to have only these on overlapping structure while having the other patterns on similar sounds be without overlapping. Choosing either all overlaps or alternating between overlapping and non overlapping patterns is the way to build the structure.
  9. 01:34:200 (2) - Just giving a tip, when doing curved start of the slider it will usually look better if the second part has a curve too, https://i.imgur.com/oWgdVik.jpg like this. It seems more coherent.
  10. 01:48:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - The snares don't increase in loudness nor intensity in the song. In the map there is a buildup similar to synth 1/4's that you are often doing in the map so I assumed you wanted to make more patterns like this to make it consistent with the map, to make the gimmick more obvious. However, contrast is also a strong tool. Contrast should be used here to differentiate these sounds, snares on same intensity, from the synths that are rising in intensity in 1/4 intervals. Good idea would be to use 1.0x - 1.2x DS for the whole stream.
  11. 01:57:300 (1,2,3,4) - Pattern is just too untidy, you should make it symmetrical at least when using weird overlapping technique. Other counterparts look much more organized than this particular pattern.
  12. 02:04:200 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Similar to what I was talking in previous mod, you could make this more intense by scaling the whole stream by 1.1x to show stronger intensity in the second part of the section ;p
  13. 02:07:650 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - [url=https://i.ppy.sh/fec2ce343feaffe8b37913d7e73ba5c44dcd9c0a/687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f71774777722e6a7067]Lmao,
    it's viable.[/url]
  14. 02:11:100 (1,2,1) - More random examples of which you can mute sliderends, more peaceful section will result in less background noise.
  15. 02:21:450 (4) - 02:22:650 (4) - These two overlapped my life, other than disagreeing on it's current state, they're inconsistent with 02:23:850 (4) - .
  16. 02:24:000 (5,6,7,8,1) - There are sometimes when it looks just too weird, I recommend using same spacing for the entire stream, or make the spacing change more apparent, 00:36:600 (3,4,5,6,7) - preferably to something like this in case you insist with spacing increasment.
  17. 02:36:300 (1) - Having so many anchors for a really small slider doesn't really look appealing, furthermore it's not consistent with anytinhg. One simple red anchor should do the job better imo.
  18. 02:45:900 - I think starting the kiai here should make more sense. The rhythm here is intuitive and regular compared to 02:41:100 - which doesn't even have consistent drums.
  19. 02:53:100 (1,2) - I suggest not having them this close, I don't remember the map using such close visual spacing / structuring for this to be viable even visual form of emphasis.
  20. 02:53:700 (3,4) - Can't you just make them have the same shape, similar sounds, so making symmetry with same shapes usually looks more compatible right.
  21. 03:06:000 (4,5) - These two are too quiet compared to 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - which seem to have much bigger impact imo. You should make the first example less spaced in order to make the change in vocal intensity more emphasized. 03:06:150 (5,2) - Idea would be to ctrl+g this, but I'm not sure how would you like the flow.
  22. 03:10:800 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - Similar case here.
  23. 03:13:800 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - It sounds way too similar to 03:09:000 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - , with the gimmick of the map being increased spacing for 1/4 synths in case they have different intensity, so should it be applied in the former link.
  24. 03:25:650 (2) - Unsnapped
  25. 03:49:500 (1,1,1) - MA ZA RE


[Extra]
  1. Pls tell walao how nice it is to have muted sliderends on 3/4' sliders ;d.
  2. 00:10:200 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don' think that forcing hexagrid is the best option here since it neglects the difference of 00:10:200 (3,4) - these notes compared to the subsequent ones. 3 and 4 I linked don't have strong vocals like the following notes, resulting in the pattern not following the change in music and properly portraying the intensity. https://i.imgur.com/z7aYggm.jpg random example in which the difference will be shown.
  3. 00:48:150 (4) - https://i.imgur.com/q9jgdvx.jpg having this like this will better fit the structure of partial overlaps, using a full on stack in this pattern feels misplaced tbh.
  4. 00:53:700 (1,2,3,4,1) - Can you improve this somehow, like using 0.3ds on the circle after the sliderend, and having (2) spaced from (1) be also 0.3x
  5. 01:05:550 (4,5) - Inverse it from 01:05:250 (2,3) - , you will keep same angles, and have them look similarly, which imo feels better than random rotation to y and x axis change. 03:11:250 (2,3,4,5) - similar goes to this.
  6. 01:11:400 (1,1,2) - Inconsistent NCing, this compared to 01:12:600 (1,2,3) - . Also, I don' think 01:12:900 (2) - should have this spacing for a 1/2 interval.
  7. 01:18:900 (6,7) - Vocals and synth is going in 1/2 intervals, you might want to increase the intensity by remaking these sliders into 4 circles.
  8. 01:30:300 (1,2) - Inconsistent with other 1/4 spacing like 01:31:500 (1,2,1,2) - where there is a lot of visible space between a subsequent slider, and not stacks.
  9. 01:54:000 (6,7) - 01:56:100 (4,5) - Idk when you've made all previous 1/4 slider to a circle spaced to 3.85x to 4x distance like 01:52:500 (5,6) - or 01:51:300 (4,5) - I think you should maintain consistency.
  10. 02:09:900 - This section makes me moist ;d
  11. 03:22:200 (1,1,2,1,1,1) - Inconsistent NCing to other HAI parts like 02:41:100 (1,1,2,3,1,1,2) -
  12. 03:35:100 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - You should make this at least to be similarly difficult to 01:24:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - since it's the last kiai and sounds the most intense, it's currently easier.


[Toybot]
  1. Similar suggestion about silencing 3/4 sliderends, it would sound much more nicer imo. 01:31:500 (1,2,1,2) - random examples where it could be done.
  2. 00:45:300 (3,4) - Since the vocals are in 1/2 intervals like 00:42:900 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:40:500 (3,4) - where you follow that with circles, so should it be done there to emphsize it the same way.
  3. 00:50:400 (5) - Similar suggestion here, since the vocals are also present on red tick, it's a good idea to emphasize that with circles and to be consistent.
  4. 01:58:200 (2,5) - It may seem like it is not really noticeable in gameplay but the overlap is kinda in your face, a large overlap is really felt misplaced when the overall structure is really clean.
  5. 02:00:300 - I addressed this in the messages, you said you fixed everything but didn't touch this neither reply to it.
  6. 02:19:500 - Since the song rhythm density is rising the map should represent that better. Currently it's mapped the same way as 02:09:900 - even though there is a noticeable change in music and intensity.
  7. 03:17:025 - Not sure what is the purpose on bookmark spam, but they should be removed as they are taking away file space for no reason, same for all diffs I guess? xd
  8. 03:27:900 (1,2) - Have you thought of blanketing it?
  9. 03:48:900 (3,4) - Making these into circles should better complement the end of the map and the final strongest part in the song. It leaves a better taste the map leaves with a bang, not easy 1/2 sliders.


[NeoSL]
  1. 01:13:800 (2,3,4,1) - Having this silenced and not 01:11:100 (1,2,1,2) - is just rude, please considering silencing all sliderends that need to be silenced. 02:41:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - More examples
  2. 01:25:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The blue ticks are louder than red ticks, so by ignoring them this plays really weirdly and doesn't really follow the song. It's different from 01:20:700 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - in the song since the example I initially linked has kicks on blue ticks which are much more noticeable so making them different in the map is also a good idea. You could introduce 3/4 into 1/2 patterning. Applies to 02:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - and 03:36:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - as well.
  3. 02:54:300 (1,3) - No matter what you do, I don't think this will ever be appealing to major audience, having a simple red anchor works much better imo https://i.imgur.com/SL2dGrg.jpg , same goes to the slider above. Curves that aren't going ciruclar or abruptly change their curvature don't look good in general.


[Normal]
  1. Generally Kias are not that distinct from the rest of map. In order to make it more dense and harder you could possibly make all 01:20:700 (1,2) - sounds upon all kiais into 4 circles. It will just make the kiais dense enough and make this part harder since it's very easy in the current state.
  2. 01:23:700 (2) - There are more places where you could use two circles instead one 1/1 slider in order to make the section a bit harder, which it should be compared to peaceful sections like 02:09:900 - for example. This also applies to all kiai sections, and I would rather let you decide where could you make 1/1 sliders into 2 circles in case you agree.
  3. 02:13:500 (4,5,6,1,2) - Isn't this 1/2 train too dense for a slow normal section? Kiai's and other more intense sections don't have any long 1/2 train. 02:14:250 (5) - You could delete dis to balance out the overall difficulty of the pattern and give space to the player.


[Easy]
  1. Maybe snap all spinners that are currently on blue tick to start on red tick? Giving more time to newer players is always handy imo.
  2. 00:41:100 (3,1) - I hate to be that guy but some blankets are just ugh xd.
  3. 00:46:800 (4,1) - Man
  4. 01:07:200 (2,3) - ^ Anyways please be kind and fix those really off blankets idk, they're just really off, gl.
  5. 01:25:800 (1,2) - www
  6. 01:34:200 (2) - Can't u just place it here or something in case you don't intend to blanket https://i.imgur.com/ABdhWIm.jpg. Not intending to blanket when a circle is so close to being a blanket is really rude.
  7. 01:41:100 (1,2) - ;(
  8. 01:43:500 (1,2) - asd
  9. 02:30:300 (3,4,1) - See how stuff looks nice when it's perfect blankets. (or just few pixels off)
  10. Anyways just picked those that are really off which didn't require me to pause to notice them, I recommend revisting the map and try not to ruins DS while doing the blankets ;3.




As for Lukas insane, i'll mod it in a few days I'm not really up to giving structural tips atm.
@smallboat please be patient for a while, if I decide to nominate, I cant qualify.
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Not sure if you still want a mod from me, since there are already 2 BNs here. I will delay the M4M a bit then.
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MaridiuS wrote:

Wait im not done here!

[walao]
  1. https://i.imgur.com/Ywj4ke6.png ��� xd opss okkkkkk
  2. 01:15:000 (1,2) - Since these two don't have any impactful vocals, it should be a good idea to make them have much lower spacing than 01:15:300 (1,2,1,2) - they all have strong vocals on them. https://i.imgur.com/oedIbfV.jpg Random example, but by doing this the difference between notes that have impactful vocals and those that don't will be strongly felt. i heard vocals for these 2 too tbh, "sore sore sore" (not sure if its the correct word xD, cant find the lyrics lol)
  3. 01:30:300 (1,2,3) - I don't think it suits your structure to have only these on overlapping structure while having the other patterns on similar sounds be without overlapping. Choosing either all overlaps or alternating between overlapping and non overlapping patterns is the way to build the structure. tbh i think its fine tho, but yea 00:15:900 (1,2,3) - i didnt overlap them fully, i overlap them now, with 01:30:300 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - overlap and 01:32:700 (1,2,3) - no overlap for the notes after that.
  4. 01:48:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - The snares don't increase in loudness nor intensity in the song. In the map there is a buildup similar to synth 1/4's that you are often doing in the map so I assumed you wanted to make more patterns like this to make it consistent with the map, to make the gimmick more obvious. However, contrast is also a strong tool. Contrast should be used here to differentiate these sounds, snares on same intensity, from the synths that are rising in intensity in 1/4 intervals. Good idea would be to use 1.0x - 1.2x DS for the whole stream. i kinda want to keep this, from my perspective, this part is increasing slowly in sound, the constantly spamming of snares is nice enough to be represented with slowly increasing spacing imo. and "most" of the streams in the map i placed them by slowly increasing the spacing.
  5. 02:04:200 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Similar to what I was talking in previous mod, you could make this more intense by scaling the whole stream by 1.1x to show stronger intensity in the second part of the section ;p like u said in the previous mod, this part is increasing in intensity, isnt it the perfect place to use gradually increasing spacing for xD
  6. 02:07:650 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - [url=https://i.ppy.sh/fec2ce343feaffe8b37913d7e73ba5c44dcd9c0a/687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f71774777722e6a7067]Lmao,
    it's viable.[/url] that sharp slider gonna be hard xP, but yea since this part is getting more intense, sharp is nice. compare to the first part which is a smooth curve only xD
  7. 02:24:000 (5,6,7,8,1) - There are sometimes when it looks just too weird, I recommend using same spacing for the entire stream, or make the spacing change more apparent, 00:36:600 (3,4,5,6,7) - preferably to something like this in case you insist with spacing increasment. i think they're fine here, didnt see anyone having problem with it ><
  8. 02:53:100 (1,2) - I suggest not having them this close, I don't remember the map using such close visual spacing / structuring for this to be viable even visual form of emphasis. ughh ya, the distance used to be good, it becomes closer becoz i changed the CS while transfering to this map xP
  9. 03:06:000 (4,5) - These two are too quiet compared to 03:06:300 (1,2,3,4,5) - which seem to have much bigger impact imo. You should make the first example less spaced in order to make the change in vocal intensity more emphasized. 03:06:150 (5,2) - Idea would be to ctrl+g this, but I'm not sure how would you like the flow. both of them sounds similar to the other imo, constant vocals and rhythm.
  10. 03:10:800 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - Similar case here. same as above
  11. 03:13:800 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - It sounds way too similar to 03:09:000 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - , with the gimmick of the map being increased spacing for 1/4 synths in case they have different intensity, so should it be applied in the former link. imo, a constant spacing here works better, as the vocals was pulling in a straight voice too.
  12. 03:49:500 (1,1,1) - MA ZA RE 8-)
fixed all except the mentioned one

Thanks
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MaridiuS wrote:

[NeoSL]
  1. 01:13:800 (2,3,4,1) - Having this silenced and not 01:11:100 (1,2,1,2) - is just rude, please considering silencing all sliderends that need to be silenced. 02:41:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - More examples
  2. 01:25:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The blue ticks are louder than red ticks, so by ignoring them this plays really weirdly and doesn't really follow the song. It's different from 01:20:700 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - in the song since the example I initially linked has kicks on blue ticks which are much more noticeable so making them different in the map is also a good idea. You could introduce 3/4 into 1/2 patterning. Applies to 02:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - and 03:36:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - as well.tbh blue ticks are not so loud as red& white's, for me.
  3. 02:54:300 (1,3) - No matter what you do, I don't think this will ever be appealing to major audience, having a simple red anchor works much better imo https://i.imgur.com/SL2dGrg.jpg , same goes to the slider above. Curves that aren't going ciruclar or abruptly change their curvature don't look good in general. Changed other way
no reply=fixed
Thanks :D
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Gg
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come on man intellectual being cant just give up 8-)
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There's already 2 BNs willing to push the map forward, and you're giving up now?
Pretty Intellectual move I must say
Please don't waste the effort of the other mappers too thanks
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Mannnn, talk to me irc, I don't intend on holding the map back I really like the mapset ;v. We probably have a misunderstanding because of language barrier. I guess it was just unfortunate. I just wanted to discuss why I think its important for future maps or in general but isn't really necessary for a 10 sec section . You can't just break down on me when I really have no bad intentions. I wouldn't be modding the rest of the map if I didn't want to push it if you don't agree with this one "issue". Map had unrankable issues too in walao's diff and had to be popped btw.

I was willing to reach a compromise in the irc yes, just chill a bit.
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버블을 터트리거나 맵을 디퀄 시키는 걸 너무 자신을 공격하는 행위라고 생각하시고 계신 거 아닌가 싶습니다. 물론 아무도 그런 말은 안 했지만, 예전 BAT 시절과는 달리 퀄리파이드 제도가 생긴 이후로 버블팝/디퀄은 수도 없이 일어나는 일이 되었습니다. 이 행위는 맵의 개선 여지가 보여서 도움을 주고자 하는 것이지, 절대 님을 방해하거니 하고 싶어서 그런 건 아니란 말이죠.

저도 과거엔 제 맵이 디퀄 당하거나 버블팝을 당하면 이 사람들이 나를 싫어하는구나 하고 생각했던 적이 있지만 전혀 그렇지 않았습니다.

여기 계신 분들은 글가님께 도움을 주고, 필요하다면 다시 맵이 랭크되기까지 서포트 해줄 겁니다.

이렇게 매번 글로리아님이 맵셋을 포기해버리고 이때까지 맵셋에 들어간 노력을 헛되게 하지 않으셨으면 하는 바람입니다.
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Enon wrote:

버블을 터트리거나 맵을 디퀄 시키는 걸 너무 자신을 공격하는 행위라고 생각하시고 계신 거 아닌가 싶습니다. 물론 아무도 그런 말은 안 했지만, 예전 BAT 시절과는 달리 퀄리파이드 제도가 생긴 이후로 버블팝/디퀄은 수도 없이 일어나는 일이 되었습니다. 이 행위는 맵의 개선 여지가 보여서 도움을 주고자 하는 것이지, 절대 님을 방해하거니 하고 싶어서 그런 건 아니란 말이죠.

저도 과거엔 제 맵이 디퀄 당하거나 버블팝을 당하면 이 사람들이 나를 싫어하는구나 하고 생각했던 적이 있지만 전혀 그렇지 않았습니다.

여기 계신 분들은 글가님께 도움을 주고, 필요하다면 다시 맵이 랭크되기까지 서포트 해줄 겁니다.

이렇게 매번 글로리아님이 맵셋을 포기해버리고 이때까지 맵셋에 들어간 노력을 헛되게 하지 않으셨으면 하는 바람입니다.
이 글 말고 이전 글에서 길게 뭔갈 늘어놓으면서 글을 쓰긴 했지만, 뭘 의미하는 것인지 잘알겠구요. 논란이 있을까봐 확실하게 말해두는 것이지만 BN의 "공격성"을 비판하는게아니라,
해당 문제에 대해 제안과 설명을 했다면 그것에 대한 예시나 일반적인 부연설명은 더 있을거라고 생각했습니다만, 그런것은 아예 없었고 완전히 매퍼가 알아서
수정하라는 뉘앙스로 받아들이고 있다는 걸 저는 느꼈어요. 물론 제안한 것에 대해서는 매퍼가 어떻게 판단하는지 어떻게 생각하는지 수정은 어떻게 할건지 매퍼 스스로가 해야하는 것은 맞지만, 문제점을 제기한 사람은 책임을 지고 매퍼에게 개선의 도움을 줄 수 있고 이해를 할 수 있도록 어느정도의 예시나 부연설명 정도는 있어야 매퍼가 알아듣고 수정을 할 건지 반론을 제기해서 협의를 할 건지 판단을 하겠죠. 하지만 저는 영어 리딩 능력이나 영어 구사하는 능력이 굉장히 딸리고 유능하지 못해서 어느정도 수준의 문장이 길게 늘어놔도 저는 이해를 못하는게 대다수 입니다. 저는 이런걸 미연에 방지하기 위해서 수도 없이 수만가지의 생각을 하면서 패턴을 짜고 리듬을 짜고 머리가 터질정도로 생각을 해서 맵을 만드는 것이구요. 하지만 그럼에도 불구하고 제가 의도한 것이나 원하지 않은 것에 대해 계속 언급하면서 "예를들어 여기는 이렇게 노트를 배치하고, 여기는 이렇게 노트와 슬라이더를 사용해서 하는 것이 강조성을 띈다" 이런 예시 조차 없다는게 저는 굉장히 화가났고 이해를 못하니 더더욱 멘탈은 나가고 더이상 의욕도 없어지고 포기하게 되는 거구요. 어쨋든 조금이지만 시간이 지났고 어느정도 정리의 시간이 필요 하기 때문에 더이상 언급하지 않을거에요 또한 확실하진 않지만 이 맵을 랭크시키는 것은 확실치 않습니다. 이전 Baru - Resoalive 같이 멘탈이 나간다면 말이죠.
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MaridiuS wrote:

Mannnn, talk to me irc, I don't intend on holding the map back I really like the mapset ;v. We probably have a misunderstanding because of language barrier. I guess it was just unfortunate. I just wanted to discuss why I think its important for future maps or in general but isn't really necessary for a 10 sec section . You can't just break down on me when I really have no bad intentions. I wouldn't be modding the rest of the map if I didn't want to push it if you don't agree with this one "issue". Map had unrankable issues too in walao's diff and had to be popped btw.

I was willing to reach a compromise in the irc yes, just chill a bit.
I'm sorry. As you said, there are language barriers and there can be many misunderstandings. But I am afraid to talk to foreigners. I am not referring to everyone. i met many people I couldn't speak English and I couldn't understand them, so I was ignored.

I had to meet a lot of people until I made a map and challenged the ranking of this map. But some people ignored me. They do not ignore me because there are many things. I thought about it. btw The reason I got angry, you gave me enough explanation of what you definitely suggested.

But I don't know how to solve this problem. I have said before, but the ability to read english and speak English is suck.

You can think of this as a folly. But I am not in a country or facility related to english. I can't interpret everything you want to talk about. Because there is no one who can interpret what you want to say

So I have to give up. If the conversation is not established and they do not understand each other, then there is no way that the map can already be ranked.

Anyway, I have to organize my thoughts. Yet I can't assure you that I can communicate with you in a good whole spirit. Give me some time. I will once again appear here.
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[ -Scarlet- ] wrote:

There's already 2 BNs willing to push the map forward, and you're giving up now?
Pretty Intellectual move I must say
Please don't waste the effort of the other mappers too thanks
I have talked to the guest mapper about this beforehand. I was clearly given permission, and I talked about this. and I told before, but I have never said "remove". You do not know what situation I have reached. Give me time to think. You don't make judgments about me first.
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Didn't really mentioned anything about removing but.. doesn't matter for now
I guess one way to solve this problem is to get someone else to assist you in understanding the mods..?
Pretty sure people like Enon, Curi, SonnyC (if he's still active) are more the willing to help :D

Do take some time to rethink about this.
Just kinda sad to see this mapset grave when it is so close to qualification.
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[ -Scarlet- ] wrote:

Didn't really mentioned anything about removing but.. doesn't matter for now
I guess one way to solve this problem is to get someone else to assist you in understanding the mods..?
Pretty sure people like Enon, Curi, SonnyC (if he's still active) are more the willing to help :D

Do take some time to rethink about this.
Just kinda sad to see this mapset grave when it is so close to qualification.
I will not be helped by the koreans. I have already found a translator and will do so soon.
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IntellectualBoy wrote:

길게 뭔갈 늘어놓으면서 글을 쓰긴 했지만, 뭘 의미하는 것인지 잘알겠구요. 논란이 있을까봐 확실하게 말해두는 것이지만 BN의 "공격성"을 비판하는게아니라, 해당 문제에 대해 제안과 설명을 했다면 그것에 대한 예시나 일반적인 부연설명은 더 있을거라고 생각했습니다만, 그런것은 아예 없었고 완전히 매퍼가 알아서 수정하라는 뉘앙스로 받아들이고 있다는 걸 저는 느꼈어요. 물론 제안한 것에 대해서는 매퍼가 어떻게 판단하는지 어떻게 생각하는지 수정은 어떻게 할건지 매퍼 스스로가 해야하는 것은 맞지만, 문제점을 제기한 사람은 책임을 지고 매퍼에게 개선의 도움을 줄 수 있고 이해를 할 수 있도록 어느정도의 예시나 부연설명 정도는 있어야 매퍼가 알아듣고 수정을 할 건지 반론을 제기해서 협의를 할 건지 판단을 하겠죠. 하지만 저는 영어 리딩 능력이나 영어 구사하는 능력이 굉장히 딸리고 유능하지 못해서 어느정도 수준의 문장이 길게 늘어놔도 저는 이해를 못하는게 대다수 입니다. 저는 이런걸 미연에 방지하기 위해서 수도 없이 수만가지의 생각을 하면서 패턴을 짜고 리듬을 짜고 머리가 터질정도로 생각을 해서 맵을 만드는 것이구요. 하지만 그럼에도 불구하고 제가 의도한 것이나 원하지 않은 것에 대해 계속 언급하면서 "예를들어 여기는 이렇게 노트를 배치하고, 여기는 이렇게 노트와 슬라이더를 사용해서 하는 것이 강조성을 띈다" 이런 예시 조차 없다는게 저는 굉장히 화가났고 이해를 못하니 더더욱 멘탈은 나가고 더이상 의욕도 없어지고 포기하게 되는 거구요. 어쨋든 조금이지만 시간이 지났고 어느정도 정리의 시간이 필요 하기 때문에 더이상 언급하지 않을거에요 또한 확실하진 않지만 이 맵을 랭크시키는 것은 확실치 않습니다. 이전 Baru - Resoalive 같이 멘탈이 나간다면 말이죠.
길게 써놓으셨던 글에 어떻게 답변해야 하나 고민하던 중 글이 수정된 걸 발견하고 이제서야 답변을 답니다.

글로리아님이 어떤 생각을 하고 계신지 어느 정도 알 수 있게 되었습니다. 답변해주신 내용에 제 생각을 재차 한 번 말씀드려보겠습니다.


문제에 대해 제안과 설명을 했다면 그것에 대한 예시나 일반적인 부연설명은 아예 없고, 완전히 매퍼가 알아서 수정하라는 뉘앙스
-> BN은 모딩을 잘하는 사람이 아니라, 결국 맵 nomination 이 가능한 한 명의 "모더"에 불과합니다. 글로리아님께서 말씀하시는 것처럼 맵에 대한 제안과 의견을 제시할 때 그것에 대한 예시나 부연 설명을 달아주는 "모더"가 있는 반면, 그저 자신이 보기에 문제가 있는 부분을 쭉 나열하기만 하는 "모더"도 있는 것처럼, BN도 그런 부류로 나뉘게 된다고 생각합니다.

만약에 후자의 모더가 모딩을 한 경우에 피드백을 주는 데에 있어 어려움을 느낀다? 그럼 저희는 여기서 모더에게 역으로 질문을 던져볼 수도 있지 않았을까요? "너는 왜 이 부분이 문제가 있다고 생각해? 나는 이 부분이 음악의 어떤 부분을 강조해서 정말 좋다고 생각하는데?" 어떤 형태로든 말이죠.

이런 식으로 매퍼가 모더와의 소통을 시도한다면 과연 싫어할 모더가 있을까요? 기꺼이 글로리아님의 의문에 자신의 생각을 말해줄 것이라고 생각해요.

이 커뮤니티에서 그 정도로 꽉 막힌 사람은 그렇게 많지 않다고 저는 생각을 합니다.


영어 리딩 능력이나 영어 구사하는 능력이 굉장히 딸리고 유능하지 못해서 어느정도 수준의 문장이 길게 늘어놔도 저는 이해를 못하는게 대다수입니다.
-> 비영어권 국가의 사람들에게 영어 베이스의 매핑 커뮤니티는 정말 살아가기 힘든 곳이라고 저 역시 생각하고 있습니다. 하지만 그 정도로 영어로 된 모딩을 이해하고, 맵을 고치고, 모더를 설득하는 과정에서 어려움을 겪으신다면 영어를 할 줄 아는 소통이 가능한 사람에게 도움을 요청해볼 수도 있지 않을까요?

저도 영어를 그렇게 잘하는 편은 아니지만, 모딩 번역, 모딩에 대한 피드백 정도는 남길 수 있어서 글로리아님이 원하신다면 얼마든지 도움을 드릴 수 있습니다.

하지만 그런 시도를 해보시지도 않고 혼자 끙끙 앓고 계시는 건 많은 걸 놓치고 계시는 것이라고 말씀드리고 싶네요.

이런걸 미연에 방지하기 위해서 수도 없이 수만가지의 생각을 하면서 패턴을 짜고 리듬을 짜고 머리가 터질정도로 생각을 해서 맵을 만드는 것이구요. 하지만 그럼에도 불구하고 제가 의도한 것에 대해 계속 언급하면서 예시 조차 없다는게 저는 굉장히 화가났고 이해를 못하니 더더욱 멘탈은 나가고 더이상 의욕도 없어지고 포기하게 되는 거구요.
-> 매핑을 하면서 가장 서러을 때가 다른 사람들이 자신의 매핑 의도를 이해 해주지 않을 때죠. 글로리아님이 얼마나 매핑을 하시면서 많은 노력을 하셨는지는 그동안 보여주신 모습들에서 충분히 이해할 수 있었습니다.

위에서 말씀드렸던 것처럼 언어의 장벽에 어려움을 느끼신다면 언제든지 불러주신다면 제가 제 최선을 다해서 도와드릴 수 있습니다.

앞으로는 혼자 끙끙 앓고 계시다가 속상해하시지 않으셨으면 좋겠습니다.


마음 좀 정리해보시고 도움이 필요하실 때 불러주세요. 화이팅
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shouldn't artist be: "Camellia feat. kradness, Nanahira and yukacco" since there isn't an artist called MAZARE I belive and Camellia composed the song

edit: nvm
I thought its just weird that the artist is mazare and not the composer itself
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