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Disgaea OST - Running Fire [Taiko]

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Zing
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Zing
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:36:04 PM

Artist: Disgaea OST
Title: Running Fire
Source: Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
Tags: disgaea hour of darkness laharl etna flonne gordon jennifer thursday prinny dood
BPM: 150
Filesize: 2290kb
Play Time: 02:08
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.38 stars, 287 notes)
  2. Kantan (1.47 stars, 164 notes)
  3. Muzukashii (2.84 stars, 472 notes)
  4. Oni (3.88 stars, 671 notes)
Download: Disgaea OST - Running Fire
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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RUNNING FIRE

Project DONS #12. Active set. Full DONS list can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zOirD0DkiAakzKvp5VOPYZfoQFIEvJjA6N8ih3AYjzU/edit?usp=sharing

Nothing too epic here, but I'm low-key a big fan of Disgaea. If you haven't played it, I would recommend.

First Submission 9/9/2017
Mod by Endaris applied 9/27/2017 - +more changes
Updated 4/10/2018 - part of a long list of Winter map cleanups
Updated 5/20/2018 - To go for ranked. Kantan has been modified, all others nerfed to better fit the difficulty mode's feel.
Last edited by Zing , edited 5 times in total.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
Hi there, from your M4M queue.
I love this song.

[General]
I really think you should put the Kiai at 01:01:019 - and end it at 01:24:819 - . Your current Kiai has more of bridge character to me and the part I mentioned has the strongest drive behind it in my opinion.

[Kantan]
Probably significant:
00:21:019 (28,29) - map it like you did here? 00:34:219 (46,47) -

01:36:809 (128,129) - I think this doesn't quite work because you aren't following up on the strings properly to get into the transition. The strings got all their strong points on red ticks so the kat is not picking it up. Imo you would need a pattern like the following one to smooth it out.

Increases SR by 0.1 though.

01:40:009 (132) - add finish (or remove finish from 01:46:409 (142) - )

Things I came up with after meditating over the diff for quite a while:

It seems odd to me that you don't place any note at 00:07:019 - and 00:07:819 - .
Right now that short phrase from 00:06:219 - to 00:07:819 - plays exactly the same 00:01:819 (1,2,3) - which doesn't feel right.
Meanwhile you place a note at 00:04:619 (5) - where I'm very unsure what it is supposed to do.
I would remove 5 and 8 and add k at 00:07:019 - and d at 00:07:819 - (pretty much like the Futsuu at this spot).

00:10:619 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21) - ^same

01:44:809 (140) - This one feels a bit awkward to play but I didn't really find a way to make it good. :|

For the last part the same applies as for the first one.
Overall really good diff, I replayed each part many times with varying adjustments and was unable to find any more suggestions to improve your patterns.


[Futsuu]
Just a casual look here, no major thing that jumped to my eye here.

[Muzukashii]
Also just a casual glance here.
Generally speaking a fun diff, some spots felt a bit outside of what you would expect from a Muzukashii.

00:03:419 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31) - This and its repititions are a bit harsh because there are triples with high frequency and even mixed pattern at the end + no 1/2 spacings. Consider deleting 00:04:819 (19) - to ease things up a bit. (You actually did that on the repition of this part at the end so you probably had that thought already and just forgot to apply it)

00:24:619 (107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - Also feels a bit overboard with the mixed consecutive triples.

01:00:219 (244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251) - This also feels more like Oni quality, might want to see if you can break it up somehow.

01:45:009 (54,55,56,57,58,59) - would be more consistent to map it like 01:38:809 (28,29,30,31) -

[Oni]
00:28:819 (54,55,56,57,58) - I assume you're following melody with this quint. If that's the case, I'd suggest using kdddk instead to put more emphasis on the last note.

00:35:019 (91) - sounds a bit weird with all the k here, I like d a bit better here because there's no strongly audible element in the music here unlike for the ticks around

00:41:019 (127) - Remove this? The transition sounds more defined and nice for me if this note is missing (and it's really just a filler note for background drum) but I think that is a very subjective thing

01:15:219 (294,295,296,297,298,299,300) - This is very weird imo. You map the same part at 01:02:419 (227,228,229,230,231,232) - very differently and I like that one a lot better for various reason (1/1 gap after phrase end, is closer to the dynamics of the song with the k for drumbeat etc).
I think it would work just as well there.

01:16:819 (303,304,305,306) - This is not accurate imo. There are 4 notes yes, but I hear the first one on 01:16:719 - and they're simple 1/4. Granted, if you mapped it as 1/4 it would probably feel slightly worse and I think the 1/6 is not toooo bad and I think it may just be fine but you should at least give this another look.

01:18:419 (312,313,314,315,316,317) - same as 01:15:219 -

01:21:619 (327,328,329,330,331,332) - Also the same but here it works much better because it has value as leadin to the transition so I think you can keep it here.

01:24:419 - I love the SVs here.

Nothing more to say about this diff, I'm unfortunately unable to play it without HT so I wasn't able to playtest spots as thoroughly but it looks pretty good as a whole.
Zing
85 posts
Joined March 2015
Topic Starter
Zing
When I respond to mods: Green represents acceptions as-is, Blue are especially appreciated. Yellow means I implemented it some but not all of the way, or that I'm waiting for further input, or that I changed it, but not completely in the way you suggested. Red is a straight-up rejection.

About the kiai: I added the kiai you suggested, but I feel a bit strongly about my other Kiai, so I'll let others be the judge of that.

KANTAN

SPOILER
[00:21:019 (28,29) - map it like you did here? 00:34:219 (46,47) -] That looks good.

[01:36:809 (128,129) - I think this doesn't quite work because you aren't following up on the strings properly to get into the transition. The strings got all their strong points on red ticks so the kat is not picking it up. Imo you would need a pattern like the following one to smooth it out. Increases SR by 0.1 though.] I didn't do this specifically because the pattern would be the most complex in the map, unfitting for the intensity. But it does sound awkward, so I removed some notes and just put a spinner at 01:37:409 (1).

[01:40:009 (132) - add finish (or remove finish from 01:46:409 (142) - )]Consistency is always a good thing.

[It seems odd to me that you don't place any note at 00:07:019 - and 00:07:819 - . Right now that short phrase from 00:06:219 - to 00:07:819 - plays exactly the same 00:01:819 (1,2,3) - which doesn't feel right.
Meanwhile you place a note at 00:04:619 (5) - where I'm very unsure what it is supposed to do. I would remove 5 and 8 and add k at 00:07:019 - and d at 00:07:819 - (pretty much like the Futsuu at this spot). ]While I see your point, I am trying to avoid using a string of 5 1/1s in a row. The only thing I can say about 4:619 is that it is consistent with my pattern of representing one but not both of the harp riffs in each intro chunk. I'll get more opinions before making any changes. Same goes with your other ones.

[01:44:809 (140) - This one feels a bit awkward to play but I didn't really find a way to make it good. ]That might be a sticking point later on. I'll see what others have to say.

MUZU
SPOILER
[00:03:419 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31) - This and its repititions are a bit harsh because there are triples with high frequency and even mixed pattern at the end + no 1/2 spacings. Consider deleting 00:04:819 (19) - to ease things up a bit. (You actually did that on the repition of this part at the end so you probably had that thought already and just forgot to apply it) ]I wished to keep to the spirit of the rest of the mapset (see my remarks on the intro chunks of Kantan), so instead of removing (19) and its parallels I removed (18) and its parallels. Also changed up the patterns a bit.

[00:24:619 (107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - Also feels a bit overboard with the mixed consecutive triples. ]How does ddkkd-d-kkddk sound?

[01:00:219 (244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251) - This also feels more like Oni quality, might want to see if you can break it up somehow. ]Came up with a 3-1-1-3-5 deal.

[01:45:009 (54,55,56,57,58,59) - would be more consistent to map it like 01:38:809 (28,29,30,31) - ]Done, but I wonder if the d into the D is okay.
ONI

SPOILER
[00:28:819 (54,55,56,57,58) - I assume you're following melody with this quint. If that's the case, I'd suggest using kdddk instead to put more emphasis on the last note. ] Done.

[00:35:019 (91) - sounds a bit weird with all the k here, I like d a bit better here because there's no strongly audible element in the music here unlike for the ticks around] This was due to me following the cymbal (or triangle?) hits here. I removed one k to better comply with that, so idk if this applies now.

[00:41:019 (127) - Remove this? The transition sounds more defined and nice for me if this note is missing (and it's really just a filler note for background drum) but I think that is a very subjective thing ] Was getting to it myself.

[01:15:219 (294,295,296,297,298,299,300) - This is very weird imo. You map the same part at 01:02:419 (227,228,229,230,231,232) - very differently and I like that one a lot better for various reason (1/1 gap after phrase end, is closer to the dynamics of the song with the k for drumbeat etc).
I think it would work just as well there.] Done.

[01:16:819 (303,304,305,306) - This is not accurate imo. There are 4 notes yes, but I hear the first one on 01:16:719 - and they're simple 1/4. Granted, if you mapped it as 1/4 it would probably feel slightly worse and I think the 1/6 is not toooo bad and I think it may just be fine but you should at least give this another look.]I hold a special place for this flam. Even if the other note starts 1/4 beat before it, I think the 1/6 quad also adds an emphasis to the sax here. Maybe I'll change it to (ddkk) in the near future but I'm not getting rid of it.

[01:18:419 (312,313,314,315,316,317) - same as 01:15:219 - ] There's a lead-in to the 1/3s here, so I'll keep it.

[01:21:619 (327,328,329,330,331,332) - Also the same but here it works much better because it has value as leadin to the transition so I think you can keep it here. ] I don't see it here. Might have changed it before reading this comment.
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