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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 25 March 2018 at 19:25:58

Artist: Rhapsody of Fire
Title: Emerald Sword
Tags: Legendary Years Symphonic Power Metal Giacomo Voli Fire
BPM: 180
Filesize: 7297kb
Play Time: 04:15
Difficulties Available:
  1. For the King (5.5 stars, 1171 notes)
  2. ForTheQueen (5.47 stars, 674 notes)


Download: Rhapsody of Fire - Emerald Sword
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Having fun
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mod
- This is all i saved from our conversation yesterday:

20:49 [Blu]: 00:18:015 (1,2,3,4) - Doesn't fit in with the song well, based on how you've mapped it so far
20:50 [Blu]: Try the doubles like earlier in the song, helps the player expect what's coming
20:51 [Blu]: if you were to use that, i'd recommend centering it at the least
20:53 [Blu]: 00:18:015 (1,2,3,4) - Movement here doesn't flow well
20:54 SawySavvy: ^ Same jump you just mentioned :3
20:54 SawySavvy: Miss copy/paste ?
20:54 [Blu]: Sorry about that
20:55 [Blu]: 00:29:349 (6,7) -
21:01 [Blu]: 00:49:849 (6,1) - Fix up slider placement, make these parallel
21:02 [Blu]: 01:08:182 (1,2,3) - make 2 and 3 parallel maybe?
21:06 [Blu]: 02:03:349 (5,6,7) - Doesn't fit in with the motion created by the streams
21:13 [Blu]: 03:53:682 (1) - Long sliders like this should probably be avoided to be honest...
21:13 [Blu]: it shouldn't really be repeated this much
21:13 [Blu]: try adding something else
21:13 [Blu]: and try to shorten up the sliders after it aswell, theres loads of em
21:14 [Blu]: 03:57:682 (3) - etc
21:14 [Blu]: Oh and around that area I think you could probably add in more circles if you tried to
21:14 SawySavvy: You mean the last chorous ?
21:15 SawySavvy: I want a smooth/calm ending
21:15 [Blu]: Oh okay
21:15 SawySavvy: But it's not well mapped atm ^_^
21:15 SawySavvy: The last sword slider for example
21:15 SawySavvy: I do like the mountain though
21:15 [Blu]: Yeah the mountain is rlly good I liked that
21:16 SawySavvy: So they look shorter
21:16 SawySavvy: Soooo lets go over some points
21:17 SawySavvy: You've written alot ! Love it <3
21:17 SawySavvy: 00:18:015 (1,2,3,4) -
21:17 SawySavvy: I agree on that part
21:17 SawySavvy: It goes against the theming/consistency
21:17 SawySavvy: Even if the rythm is there
21:17 SawySavvy: I'll make it blend in better
21:18 SawySavvy: 00:29:349 (6,7) -
21:18 SawySavvy: That was on purpose
21:18 SawySavvy: A anti flow/180 turn
21:20 SawySavvy: 00:36:349 (1,2,3,4,5) -
21:20 SawySavvy: I think the main problem
21:20 SawySavvy: Is that 5
21:20 SawySavvy: It's outside the map ._.
21:21 [Blu]: There's a lot of sliders in your map which would be easier to play if they were parallel to the ones before
21:22 [Blu]: Fixing that up might help make it look better
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Edit: had a quick talk with the mapper about metadata, no kudosu for this
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Greenshell wrote:

Edit: had a quick talk with the mapper about metadata, no kudosu for this
It was a nice chat though :)
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Hello Hello~

For the King
00:02:849 (6) - So in playtesting these sliders are pretty long to represent a 1/2 note. It is very easy to drop slider ends due to this.
I suggest shortening them a little?
00:04:682 (1,2,3,4,5) - Could be parallel better?
00:09:349 (2,3,4,5,6) - Kind of indents in both directions. Make this straight of curve it 1 direction
00:12:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - Same thing
00:22:682 (3,4,5,6,7) - Burst doesn't lead into stream completely (If this was the point, make the end of the stream point farther right)
00:47:849 (4,5) - Slider end doesn't lead into next note
01:11:682 (2,3,4,5,6) - Just having 2 indented looks a bit off (3-6 aren't straight either)
01:13:182 (2,3,4,5,6) - Could be a star?
01:13:682 (5,4) - Could be stacked
01:15:849 (2,3,4,5,6) - Slider slightly bent upwards? (Not sure if intentional or not)
01:26:349 (7,1) - Separate a little. Looks cramped
01:37:015 (1) - Not completely vertical
01:46:349 (1) - Not vertical
02:45:015 (5,6) - Not quite horizontal?
02:47:682 (1,2,3,4,5) - Could be a star (Use the shape generator ctrl+shift+D)
02:55:682 (3,4,5) - Could improve square
03:06:015 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Ya, use shape gen tool
03:15:015 (2,3) - followpoint doesn't lead in parallel.
03:18:349 (4,2) - Could be stacked
03:34:349 - It's really obvious that you just copy and pasted the stream section here... Don't do that ^^;
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Renquiem wrote:

Hello Hello~

For the King
00:02:849 (6) - So in playtesting these sliders are pretty long to represent a 1/2 note. It is very easy to drop slider ends due to this.
I suggest shortening them a little?
00:04:682 (1,2,3,4,5) - Could be parallel better?
00:09:349 (2,3,4,5,6) - Kind of indents in both directions. Make this straight of curve it 1 direction
00:12:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - Same thing
00:22:682 (3,4,5,6,7) - Burst doesn't lead into stream completely (If this was the point, make the end of the stream point farther right)
00:47:849 (4,5) - Slider end doesn't lead into next note
01:11:682 (2,3,4,5,6) - Just having 2 indented looks a bit off (3-6 aren't straight either)
01:13:182 (2,3,4,5,6) - Could be a star?
01:13:682 (5,4) - Could be stacked
01:15:849 (2,3,4,5,6) - Slider slightly bent upwards? (Not sure if intentional or not)
01:26:349 (7,1) - Separate a little. Looks cramped
01:37:015 (1) - Not completely vertical
01:46:349 (1) - Not vertical
02:45:015 (5,6) - Not quite horizontal?
02:47:682 (1,2,3,4,5) - Could be a star (Use the shape generator ctrl+shift+D)
02:55:682 (3,4,5) - Could improve square
03:06:015 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Ya, use shape gen tool
03:15:015 (2,3) - followpoint doesn't lead in parallel.
03:18:349 (4,2) - Could be stacked
03:34:349 - It's really obvious that you just copy and pasted the stream section here... Don't do that ^^;
Thanks a lot for your feedback!
I would love to hear your thoughts on the parts you did not mentioned.
The overall flow, structure etc?
I have a few questions about what you ment on one or two of your points, once we have gone over those i'll gladly provide a kudos :)
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SawySavvy wrote:

I have a few questions about what you ment on one or two of your points, once we have gone over those i'll gladly provide a kudos :)
Don't bribe people with kudosu please. Thank you.
(And don't don't bother giving me kudosu now either. kudosu is meant to reward those who provided adequate feedback. If I didn't I don't deserve it.)
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Renquiem wrote:

SawySavvy wrote:

I have a few questions about what you ment on one or two of your points, once we have gone over those i'll gladly provide a kudos :)
Don't bribe people with kudosu please. Thank you.
(And don't don't bother giving me kudosu now either. kudosu is meant to reward those who provided adequate feedback. If I didn't I don't deserve it.)
My intent was not a bribe, but rather trying to display that i was not trying to be greedy ''getting more of your time''.
I apologize if my intent came out that wrong.
Would still be most kind of you if you'd have the possebility to reply to the PM i sent you.

Thanks once more for your time/effort to help my map :)
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yo o/ NM from Q
this is pretty fun to play :D
For the King
Consider putting some nice combo colours

00:14:015 (1,2,3) - i recommend you to fill these empty red ticks, intensity and drums here are pretty strong

00:14:682 (3,4) - try to make a stream like you did before on this sound

00:19:349 (1,2,3) - same here with the filling ticks stuff
00:22:015 (1,2,3) - ^
try to identify these empty places by yourself, most of the time is good to map them

00:32:015 (1) - i would NC here

00:33:349 (9,10) - i think you should leave (9) as a circle and start a stream on next red tick, to emphasize drums

00:58:349 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - these should be 1/3 instead of 1/4, i recommend you to put two repeated 1/3 sliders and the rest a stream to make the player know a bit what he's playin(the same for the next one later on the map)

01:00:349 (1,2) - i recommend you to make this a slider, those 2 hits aren't strong enough to deserve clickables

01:15:849 (2) - this should be just a circle imo, it's a bit uncomfortable to play with the next stream

01:24:849 (1,2) - i would switch these, circle first, slider 2nd, makes it more comfortable to play following the vocals here

01:30:015 (1) - same as before, but here i would cut this slider to the red tick and start another one on white tick

01:39:015 (3,4) - i would make (3) a 1/2 slider instead of the next one

02:02:014 (7) - try to extend this slider to next blue tick, you do the same on next streams and it's more comfortable to play

02:03:682 (6) - NC

That's all i can say, most of things are general advice so try to keep them with you for future maps, if you gonna make something with this streams intensity i would map almost every sound that i encounter with, so the map is better representative

Good Luck~
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[-Crissaegrim-] wrote:

yo o/ NM from Q
this is pretty fun to play :D
For the King
Consider putting some nice combo colours

00:14:015 (1,2,3) - i recommend you to fill these empty red ticks, intensity and drums here are pretty strong

00:14:682 (3,4) - try to make a stream like you did before on this sound

00:19:349 (1,2,3) - same here with the filling ticks stuff
00:22:015 (1,2,3) - ^
try to identify these empty places by yourself, most of the time is good to map them

00:32:015 (1) - i would NC here

00:33:349 (9,10) - i think you should leave (9) as a circle and start a stream on next red tick, to emphasize drums

00:58:349 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - these should be 1/3 instead of 1/4, i recommend you to put two repeated 1/3 sliders and the rest a stream to make the player know a bit what he's playin(the same for the next one later on the map)

01:00:349 (1,2) - i recommend you to make this a slider, those 2 hits aren't strong enough to deserve clickables

01:15:849 (2) - this should be just a circle imo, it's a bit uncomfortable to play with the next stream

01:24:849 (1,2) - i would switch these, circle first, slider 2nd, makes it more comfortable to play following the vocals here

01:30:015 (1) - same as before, but here i would cut this slider to the red tick and start another one on white tick

01:39:015 (3,4) - i would make (3) a 1/2 slider instead of the next one

02:02:014 (7) - try to extend this slider to next blue tick, you do the same on next streams and it's more comfortable to play

02:03:682 (6) - NC

That's all i can say, most of things are general advice so try to keep them with you for future maps, if you gonna make something with this streams intensity i would map almost every sound that i encounter with, so the map is better representative

Good Luck~
Though there are some things there i dont agree with since i went out of my way to put em there (example the pauses early on)....
I have to say: Most of what you wrote was really good.
The changes to the 1/3 tempo for those two streams were REALLY nice finds. I had no idea, just figured the last beat was derp but it always sounded weird.
Swapping those two (only happens twice in the entire song), made a huge difference and now it just works.
Weird how the last two beats are a lil different both times however...But it's a lot more on point now non the less!

The slider who was to short in the first kiai was repeated in the second kiai and it was a 100% error. All the streams start on white ticks and that's how it should have been, another great find. Tyvm!

The small changes to slider/circle swaps was also good in general for the reasons you said, better vocal mapping.
I only wish you wrote more since what you've written was overall really good even if i did not choose to act upon all your thoughts and points :)
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From queue

For the king

  1. 00:14:682 (3,4) - this is ur highest difficulty (well the only 1 atm lol) but you ignore the notes here that could be a nice stream if you pay close attention to it and I feel it is too noticeable for this extra diff to not have it mapped (this isn't the only one)
  2. 00:14:182 - why are you avoiding to map the red ticks? no matter what your trying to do it just looks undermapped when I feel that I should be clicking the guitar sounds right there - you will still have the same effect you were going for if you have a note 00:14:182 - stack under 00:14:015 (1) - and another 00:14:515 - stack under 00:14:349 (2) -
    you have more than this but I only pointing out this 1 since you basically have the idea by now
  3. 00:28:515 (2) - this just looks weird and flow quite awkward - move it down or just use X: 385 Y:95 (adjustments will be needed)
  4. 00:33:515 - to here 00:33:932 - is the same deal as before but way more noticeable - please make a stream here


I don't like the song much so I am stopping here - GL
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for the lame peasant that mapped this map
why are ur ncs so fucked up
just NC every big white tick and stick to that

00:04:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - use ctrl shift F to make your streams from sliders thanks
00:10:682 (5) - this should be at like 300|168 bc visual spacing
00:12:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - should be 1/4 slider 1/4 slider circle to cover background 1/4 rhythm but also to emphasize guitar
00:14:015 (1,2) - why this when you have 00:12:682 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this before it, makes no sense to randomly simplify
00:22:015 (1,2) - easily mistaken for 1/2. if you're gonna go for this kind of gross undermapping, at least make it consistent by spacing this out
00:27:182 (1) - should be slider and Not nc, 00:27:349 (2) - nc starts here bc downbeat
00:29:849 (1,2) - same thing above
00:31:182 (1,2) - confusing, (1) should be a circle that's not in the stream path
00:32:015 (1,2) - sv doesnt work as well here for emphasis because they're so close together
00:41:682 (5) - inconsistent flow break, continue circular flow in same direction until next downbeat
00:50:015 (1,2,3) - this rhythm isn't even right lol
00:51:349 (1,2) - this isn't right either
00:52:682 (1,2,3,4) - you know how to copy paste and rotate sliders right
00:58:349 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing too similar to your 1/4 streams, make into 1/3 reverse sliders
01:03:682 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - ye same, etc, etc
01:06:849 (1,2,3,4) - use polygon creation tool thanks (ctrl shift D)
01:25:014 - nice clickable note lol, the 01:24:849 (1) - slider here basically fucks the downbeat emphasis in the ass
01:26:349 (7) - eww why, you don't even do this anywhere else
01:54:848 - eww empty space, more streams thanks
02:08:995 - eww double reverse, just make into 2 sliders thank

ye im gonna stop modding here uh
if you're thinking about ranking this then imma just stomp over that
the rhythms are tbh pretty awful. it's not some complicated 6/17 time signature that requires 1% slowdown to understand the rhythm. try to emphasize the main melody more by landing important sounds like downbeats on clickable things (slider heads, circles) etc. you got the 1/3 rhythm down, now get the 1/4.
the aesthetics aren't exactly stellar either. something something broken dick sliders something something. you also seem to be confused on how to properly mirror and rotate sliders.

well uh
gl
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A bunch of insults mixed with some great modding

[[Pika]] wrote:

for the lame peasant that mapped this map
why are ur ncs so fucked up
just NC every big white tick and stick to that

00:04:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - use ctrl shift F to make your streams from sliders thanks
00:10:682 (5) - this should be at like 300|168 bc visual spacing
00:12:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - should be 1/4 slider 1/4 slider circle to cover background 1/4 rhythm but also to emphasize guitar
00:14:015 (1,2) - why this when you have 00:12:682 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this before it, makes no sense to randomly simplify
00:22:015 (1,2) - easily mistaken for 1/2. if you're gonna go for this kind of gross undermapping, at least make it consistent by spacing this out
00:27:182 (1) - should be slider and Not nc, 00:27:349 (2) - nc starts here bc downbeat
00:29:849 (1,2) - same thing above
00:31:182 (1,2) - confusing, (1) should be a circle that's not in the stream path
00:32:015 (1,2) - sv doesnt work as well here for emphasis because they're so close together
00:41:682 (5) - inconsistent flow break, continue circular flow in same direction until next downbeat
00:50:015 (1,2,3) - this rhythm isn't even right lol
00:51:349 (1,2) - this isn't right either
00:52:682 (1,2,3,4) - you know how to copy paste and rotate sliders right
00:58:349 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing too similar to your 1/4 streams, make into 1/3 reverse sliders
01:03:682 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - ye same, etc, etc
01:06:849 (1,2,3,4) - use polygon creation tool thanks (ctrl shift D)
01:25:014 - nice clickable note lol, the 01:24:849 (1) - slider here basically fucks the downbeat emphasis in the ass
01:26:349 (7) - eww why, you don't even do this anywhere else
01:54:848 - eww empty space, more streams thanks
02:08:995 - eww double reverse, just make into 2 sliders thank
ye im gonna stop modding here uh
if you're thinking about ranking this then imma just stomp over that
the rhythms are tbh pretty awful. it's not some complicated 6/17 time signature that requires 1% slowdown to understand the rhythm. try to emphasize the main melody more by landing important sounds like downbeats on clickable things (slider heads, circles) etc. you got the 1/3 rhythm down, now get the 1/4.
the aesthetics aren't exactly stellar either. something something broken dick sliders something something. you also seem to be confused on how to properly mirror and rotate sliders.

well uh
gl



I honestly like when the feedback is harsh and on point. If something is wrong it should be pointed out so it can be fixed.
That said, your way of giving feedback is kinda childish/rude?

What you're pointing out and suggestion on ''how to fix'' are really good overall but with your choise of words and ''attitude'' behind it makes the overall modding feel a lot worse.

If you want someone to learn/improve, insulting them is never a great opion.

Non the less i thank you for the effort placed in my song and i have started to take action upon your honestly great points.
Just a damn shame you cant behave :D

Also...I'll never ever use Ctrl+Shift+F!! Hand made streams have a charm that the tool cant match! Even if it's uneven and uggly.
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Hi! you requested a mod from my queue!
But this mod will be different from all the ones i have made, since im gonna explain you some problems that you have on the map.

first, with some general things:

1. Put your default sample settings on Drum, it will sound better for the map.
2. You should really check AiMod, because you have a lot of unsnapped objects and other problems with the kiai
3. your background doesnt have the correct size, so you should resize it to the recommended one (1366x768)
4. The song needs an easy, normal, hard and insane difficulties, since isnt 5 minutes long to be a marathon

besides that, you have other problems in the map that i would like to explain. I will divide all the problems on different boxes, so its easier for you to read them

Jumps
Some of your jumps are pretty much... "basic", with this i mean that the just go in a horizontal/vertical direction, and that makes it kinda boring, i can use 00:02:015 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:04:682 (1,2,3,4,5) as examples of it, they are pretty much the same way, they go to the same direction and it really doesnt have much variation, making it kinda boring. If you have the time, try making the jumps different from each other, changing the directions of several jumps.

As other example, 00:12:682 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) and 00:15:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8). Pretty much the same thing, not very attractive. You need to improve them to make the map more attractive and fun to play.
Streams
Previous modders have talked about this. Your streams doesnt look that good.
i know we talked about your thought about it, saying that you like doing the streams by hand, but the problem is that it will not look good.
Streams, for example, such as 00:12:015 (2,3,4,5,6) - 00:14:682 (5,6,7,8,9) - 01:50:349 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) or 01:55:682 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) dont look that good because problems while putting the circles by hand, making them look weird and not flowing well with the song.

thats why Ctrl+Shift+F exist, to make them look good and nice and attractive. Using it will not make things worse, i promise.


And now, some things that are kinda easy to fix:

00:59:349 (5,6) - this part sounds and feels very weird, the transition between the slider and the circle doesnt look good, so end the slider at 00:59:849 and move the circle to 01:00:015.

00:38:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - give this circles the same spacing between them, and try to make them look like a perfect asterisk

01:13:182 (2,3,4,5,6) - polish this so it can look more like a star
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Hi, I said i would take a look at this map so here we go Please take everything i say with a grain of salt as i don't have much experience. Just gonna give my thoughts. Sorry if it's a bad mod.

  • 00:02:849 (6,3) - I think these 2 should be extended sliders as they dont end on a sound in the first place, and i think it would feel better. 00:04:349 (6) - Here the short slider length makes sense, as the guitar sound isn't held.
    00:06:682 (2) - Is this slider ending on a stronger sound than the sliderhead? imo i would replace slider with two circles. i may be wrong. If you're gonna keep the slider i would make it curved or have a red anchor as the guitar is doing a different thing.
    Just gonna point out that it seems your slider angles are a bit random, and it makes the map as a whole look a bit like a mess. 00:10:849 (6,3) - For example these 2 could be parallell or mirrored.
    00:11:849 (1,2) - I would remove NC on 1, and put NC on 2.
    00:14:682 (5) - NC
    00:16:349 (7,8) - I dunno if stack is supposed to look like that, but i would make it perfect stack like the others.
    00:16:682 (1,2) - Again these should be mirrored or parallell.
    As i'm looking at the map i can see that you only use straight sliders for the first section. That is fine and all to be consistent, but it can get repetitive and boring. I would mix up the slider shapes a bit when you hear the song is doing something different or interesting.
    00:18:015 (1,2,3,4) - This looks good. Don't be afraid to copy paste
    00:20:015 (5) - NC
    00:21:682 (7,8) - On the first 6 circles the music is doing pretty much the same thing, but here it changes a bit. I would do something else with these 2 circles.
    00:23:015 (5,1) - I would put stream into 1
    00:38:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Here i would make 1,2,3 spacing gradually go higher, and 4,5,6 gradually get lower.
    00:34:849 (4,3) - I think blanket here would look nice
    00:45:349 (2) - NC
    00:45:849 (5,6) - Kinda wierd to go from sharp angles to an angle like that
    00:47:349 (2) - I would make it extended slider to emphasise vocals, or you could ditch 3 as the vocals are being followed and are most important
    00:48:682 (1,2) - I'm not sure what youre following here, youre kinda following vocals, but not fully. Same with guitar. Maybe make 1 long slider, and put NC on slider spam afterwards as it's following a different part of the music.
    00:50:682 (1) - Remove NC
    00:58:349 (2) - NC
    00:59:349 (5) - NC00:59:349 (5,6)
    00:59:349 (5,6) - This is awkward to play, but im sure youre aware
    00:59:932 (6,1) - One is not readable, since 6 ends on blue tick
    01:00:349 (1,2) - Maybe make this a slider instead?
    01:03:015 (3) - NC, remove NC on 1 after
    01:09:349 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is off-timed, add a seperate timing section (ctrl + p).
    01:15:849 (2) - This starts on weaker sound and ends on strong sound. put circle on 2 instead
    The map uses alot of wide angles, which is technically fine, but generally this is uncomfortable for players to play. I would use more sharp angles, and use wider angles when the spacing is lower, or you feel like it makes sense etc. The things i mentioned above repeat themselves, like NC, slidershapes and angles, visual consistency etc, so im not gonna go deeper into that Keep in mind i may be wrong about some of the things i mention, so take what you want from it. I think the most important thing about a map is the rhythm, and how we express the song as best as possible. This is a territory i'm not an expert on myself, but i will try to point out what i would do differently rhythm wise.

    01:17:515 (3,4) - I would extend 3 to red tick, and remove 4. The 4 doesn't deserve to be clicked
    01:18:015 (1,2,3,4) - I'm not sure what i would do here as the vocals are contradicting the instruments. 1,2 is fine, 3 i would maybe replace with two circles, and start slider on blue tick. That would mean a double though which is awkward to play. Maybe replace 3 with one circle at start, and start next slider on red tick? I'm not sure about this one, but i think it could be better
    01:21:015 (8,9) - I would maybe start following the guitar at 8, this would'nt follow the vocals perfectly but i think its best
    01:24:181 (4,5) - I would extend slider to red tick, but it's your choice as this isnt so bad
    01:25:515 (3,4) - ^
    01:26:348 (1) - I know im not supposed to be pointing out NC now, but this one is too much for me to ignore lol. Remove NC as youre following vocals.
    01:28:348 (3,4) - Vocals start on blue tick again, maybe put a slider at blue tick and remove 4? then again you may be following the drums so its your call
    01:33:015 (1,2) - again vocals on blue tick, its tough when vocals are ignoring the song
    01:34:181 - You can put a circle here so it doesnt feel so awkward
    01:34:681 (2) - it should be on blue tick, you can make a slider jump afterwards to circle on red tick
    01:35:014 (3) - Vocals should be emphasised with long slider
    01:38:849 (2,3) - Why are these sliders?
    01:42:015 (4) - End on blue tick, start slider on white tick ending on 01:42:848 (1) - Your choice
    01:45:015 (6) - This should be long slider if ur following vocals
    01:52:348 (1,2,3) - This is good, however its kinda wierd ur following "the" but not "for"
    01:55:014 (1,2) - I have to say i love these hitsounds!
    02:01:015 (3,4,5,6,1) - Shouldn't there be a stream here? This may be ok, but the objects are not following vocals properly
That's all for this mod. I think you didn't pick the easiest song to map, but overall the rhythm choice is not that bad. I'm not qualified to say what's right or wrong, just putting my thoughts out there. I have to say i like the song choice, it's a fun map, and it's refreshing to see new types of music in osu!. Good luck on your map, and thank you for the chat we had earlier!
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ZenzZ wrote:

Hi, I said i would take a look at this map so here we go Please take everything i say with a grain of salt as i don't have much experience. Just gonna give my thoughts. Sorry if it's a bad mod.
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  • 00:02:849 (6,3) - I think these 2 should be extended sliders as they dont end on a sound in the first place, and i think it would feel better. 00:04:349 (6) - Here the short slider length makes sense, as the guitar sound isn't held.
    00:06:682 (2) - Is this slider ending on a stronger sound than the sliderhead? imo i would replace slider with two circles. i may be wrong. If you're gonna keep the slider i would make it curved or have a red anchor as the guitar is doing a different thing.
    Just gonna point out that it seems your slider angles are a bit random, and it makes the map as a whole look a bit like a mess. 00:10:849 (6,3) - For example these 2 could be parallell or mirrored.
    00:11:849 (1,2) - I would remove NC on 1, and put NC on 2.
    00:14:682 (5) - NC
    00:16:349 (7,8) - I dunno if stack is supposed to look like that, but i would make it perfect stack like the others.
    00:16:682 (1,2) - Again these should be mirrored or parallell.
    As i'm looking at the map i can see that you only use straight sliders for the first section. That is fine and all to be consistent, but it can get repetitive and boring. I would mix up the slider shapes a bit when you hear the song is doing something different or interesting.
    00:18:015 (1,2,3,4) - This looks good. Don't be afraid to copy paste
    00:20:015 (5) - NC
    00:21:682 (7,8) - On the first 6 circles the music is doing pretty much the same thing, but here it changes a bit. I would do something else with these 2 circles.
    00:23:015 (5,1) - I would put stream into 1
    00:38:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Here i would make 1,2,3 spacing gradually go higher, and 4,5,6 gradually get lower.
    00:34:849 (4,3) - I think blanket here would look nice
    00:45:349 (2) - NC
    00:45:849 (5,6) - Kinda wierd to go from sharp angles to an angle like that
    00:47:349 (2) - I would make it extended slider to emphasise vocals, or you could ditch 3 as the vocals are being followed and are most important
    00:48:682 (1,2) - I'm not sure what youre following here, youre kinda following vocals, but not fully. Same with guitar. Maybe make 1 long slider, and put NC on slider spam afterwards as it's following a different part of the music.
    00:50:682 (1) - Remove NC
    00:58:349 (2) - NC
    00:59:349 (5) - NC00:59:349 (5,6)
    00:59:349 (5,6) - This is awkward to play, but im sure youre aware
    00:59:932 (6,1) - One is not readable, since 6 ends on blue tick
    01:00:349 (1,2) - Maybe make this a slider instead?
    01:03:015 (3) - NC, remove NC on 1 after
    01:09:349 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is off-timed, add a seperate timing section (ctrl + p).
    01:15:849 (2) - This starts on weaker sound and ends on strong sound. put circle on 2 instead
    The map uses alot of wide angles, which is technically fine, but generally this is uncomfortable for players to play. I would use more sharp angles, and use wider angles when the spacing is lower, or you feel like it makes sense etc. The things i mentioned above repeat themselves, like NC, slidershapes and angles, visual consistency etc, so im not gonna go deeper into that Keep in mind i may be wrong about some of the things i mention, so take what you want from it. I think the most important thing about a map is the rhythm, and how we express the song as best as possible. This is a territory i'm not an expert on myself, but i will try to point out what i would do differently rhythm wise.

    01:17:515 (3,4) - I would extend 3 to red tick, and remove 4. The 4 doesn't deserve to be clicked
    01:18:015 (1,2,3,4) - I'm not sure what i would do here as the vocals are contradicting the instruments. 1,2 is fine, 3 i would maybe replace with two circles, and start slider on blue tick. That would mean a double though which is awkward to play. Maybe replace 3 with one circle at start, and start next slider on red tick? I'm not sure about this one, but i think it could be better
    01:21:015 (8,9) - I would maybe start following the guitar at 8, this would'nt follow the vocals perfectly but i think its best
    01:24:181 (4,5) - I would extend slider to red tick, but it's your choice as this isnt so bad
    01:25:515 (3,4) - ^
    01:26:348 (1) - I know im not supposed to be pointing out NC now, but this one is too much for me to ignore lol. Remove NC as youre following vocals.
    01:28:348 (3,4) - Vocals start on blue tick again, maybe put a slider at blue tick and remove 4? then again you may be following the drums so its your call
    01:33:015 (1,2) - again vocals on blue tick, its tough when vocals are ignoring the song
    01:34:181 - You can put a circle here so it doesnt feel so awkward
    01:34:681 (2) - it should be on blue tick, you can make a slider jump afterwards to circle on red tick
    01:35:014 (3) - Vocals should be emphasised with long slider
    01:38:849 (2,3) - Why are these sliders?
    01:42:015 (4) - End on blue tick, start slider on white tick ending on 01:42:848 (1) - Your choice
    01:45:015 (6) - This should be long slider if ur following vocals
    01:52:348 (1,2,3) - This is good, however its kinda wierd ur following "the" but not "for"
    01:55:014 (1,2) - I have to say i love these hitsounds!
    02:01:015 (3,4,5,6,1) - Shouldn't there be a stream here? This may be ok, but the objects are not following vocals properly
That's all for this mod. I think you didn't pick the easiest song to map, but overall the rhythm choice is not that bad. I'm not qualified to say what's right or wrong, just putting my thoughts out there. I have to say i like the song choice, it's a fun map, and it's refreshing to see new types of music in osu!. Good luck on your map, and thank you for the chat we had earlier!



I think it was a rather good mod.
Some of the points are heavily influenced by your opinions on how to map, wich is rather great, even if they clash with the way i read/see the song when i mapped it.
The difference in viewpoint is refreshing since it makes me rethink and revalue the decissions i made during the mapping process.


Thoughts and feedback to your mod
I did not act on all of your notes due to them, as said, clashing to much with how i saw the song.
Mainly how i wanted to swap into a drum sound or follow X instrument to the point where you suggested something in the oposit direction.

But there were a few points i did act upon and found really usefull.
Mainly the NC's....I know my NC's overall are messy haha! So a full list of those would actually help me tons since my mentality around NC is rather poor.
A lot of your comments on ''why is this not two clicks isntead of slider'' were rather great. Example the 00:04:349 point. It works a lot better as clicks.

There were a few points i did not understand though, for example the 00:16:349 comment about the stack? To me they look just like all the other stacks.
Also the 00:23:015 comment, i think i know what you're trying to say due to the drums keeps going all the way into the one -> But the way i mapped it was to maintain the clicking focus of the guitarr while having it stay more true towards the drums. That said -> Not entirely sure what you ment with ''I would put stream into 1''.

Also the timing point comment at 01:09:349, i did not really understand that one either. Since, to me, it's on point?
I have a timing point after this section just before the verse since othervise the metronome would be off.


Your comment about the 00:45:849 was great aswell. I changed the way the pattern flows and it feels better now.

And yh...The akward part at 00:59:349, not much i can do about that one. I followed the drum and wont change it due to just that.
The drummer is doing that akward timing, and so am I.


If you want a more detailed version of what i picked and did not pick, please contact me ingame or with a PM.
Kudos well earned on your end i'd say due to a rather well detailed mod with a friendly and teaching tone (compared to some other pokémon fellah) ;)
I like your style and i think you'll grow ino the shoes of modding more than fine if you keep up the good work.


Ps: If you could be a darling and edit your post with a box for your list, that would be very lovely.



Cheers!
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not for rank map....???
short mod

01:16:015 - clickable better
02:58:015 (1,2) - change to 2 circle better.
02:59:014 (7) - nc
03:03:014 (6) - nc
03:09:681 (7,1) - swap nc
03:11:014 (3,1) - same.
03:13:681 (7,8) - 03:14:682 (1,2,3,4) - you couldnt follow vocal only here.

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i think nc patterns you did dont have consistent whole the map. pls check and fix them.
yea i like your mapping style, but the diff need more improve. good luck!!
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I'm no modding God, but I guess I helped somehow :D

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2017-09-29 00:33 Karolina: 00:02:015 (1,2,3,4,5) - ugly, imo try working on the shape
2017-09-29 00:33 SawySavvy: 00:04:682 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2017-09-29 00:33 SawySavvy: You mean that shape :p ?
2017-09-29 00:33 Karolina: ye
2017-09-29 00:34 SawySavvy: ^^
2017-09-29 00:34 Karolina: 00:02:015 (1,2,3,4,5) - same here, a bit of work on a shape
2017-09-29 00:34 Karolina: fuck
2017-09-29 00:34 Karolina: 00:14:015 (1,2,3,4) - here
2017-09-29 00:34 SawySavvy: Ah
2017-09-29 00:34 SawySavvy: That actually has a small amount of though put into it
2017-09-29 00:34 SawySavvy: Staying true to the DS
2017-09-29 00:34 SawySavvy: And having the 1+3 follow the cube shape from before
2017-09-29 00:35 SawySavvy: 1-3-4 all hit that shape
2017-09-29 00:35 SawySavvy: Then the 2 is just a triangle jump to spice it up a bit
2017-09-29 00:35 Karolina: 00:34:349 (2) - lower this boi a bit
2017-09-29 00:35 SawySavvy: Hmm
2017-09-29 00:35 SawySavvy: https://puu.sh/xLjuT/fdb52f1aba.png
2017-09-29 00:35 SawySavvy: Move the three instead ?
2017-09-29 00:36 SawySavvy: 00:34:515 (3) -
2017-09-29 00:36 SawySavvy: Towards the north east ?
2017-09-29 00:36 Karolina: maybe more like
2017-09-29 00:37 Karolina: https://reifa.s-ul.eu/w7jyAtGe
2017-09-29 00:37 SawySavvy: Would have to move the 5 aswell then
2017-09-29 00:37 SawySavvy: Do keep that blanket
2017-09-29 00:37 Karolina: 00:38:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the shape here, could be fixed
2017-09-29 00:38 SawySavvy: 00:38:349 (1,2,3) -
2017-09-29 00:38 SawySavvy: Increese in ds
2017-09-29 00:38 SawySavvy: 00:38:849 (4,5,6) -
2017-09-29 00:38 SawySavvy: Decreese in ds
2017-09-29 00:38 SawySavvy: Could be done in a better looking pattern though...Hmm
2017-09-29 00:38 SawySavvy: I'll give that one a thought for sure
2017-09-29 00:40 Karolina: 00:49:349 (1,2,3,4) - what about
2017-09-29 00:41 Karolina: https://reifa.s-ul.eu/Rvd9wxe4
2017-09-29 00:41 SawySavvy: Hmm
2017-09-29 00:41 SawySavvy: Keeping the click movement
2017-09-29 00:41 Karolina: 00:58:349 (1,2,3) - not a complaint, but i really like the reverse stuff
2017-09-29 00:41 SawySavvy: But spicing up the visual
2017-09-29 00:42 SawySavvy: That is a compliment then :x
2017-09-29 00:42 SawySavvy: Ty
2017-09-29 00:42 Karolina: 01:06:849 (1,2,3) - lower the spacing, no need for such emphasis
2017-09-29 00:42 SawySavvy: Those reverse you just showed
2017-09-29 00:42 SawySavvy: Was a huge learning exp for me
2017-09-29 00:43 Karolina: i've never mapped a single song and here i am giving some useful advices
2017-09-29 00:43 SawySavvy: Since it took a while to realise it was in 1/3 tempo. Then i started with them as streams but it was really anti fun to play -> So they ended up as those reverse you pointed out
2017-09-29 00:43 SawySavvy: You are pointing out legit things
2017-09-29 00:43 SawySavvy: I've yet to dissagree with any of your points
2017-09-29 00:44 SawySavvy: This is prolly a damn good song if you wanna start modding
2017-09-29 00:44 SawySavvy: Since i mapped it before realising that i could use ''custom distance'' for sounds
2017-09-29 00:44 SawySavvy: I mapped it blindly with distance snap on
2017-09-29 00:45 SawySavvy: And the visual and distance changes you see now, are really winged and poorly made
2017-09-29 00:45 SawySavvy: Learning how to spot em and giving feedback around em
2017-09-29 00:45 SawySavvy: So far you've done a fine job
2017-09-29 00:45 Karolina: "legit things" - i've watched every pishi and mo movies - "i know what am i doing amirite"
2017-09-29 00:45 SawySavvy: I've seen none of em
2017-09-29 00:45 SawySavvy: And i can also mod ;)
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: But i tend to mod the mapper
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Not the map
2017-09-29 00:46 Karolina: 01:08:349 (1,2) - make them curved so they could show where the flow goes
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Hmm
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Looking at those
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Would a higher AR on those two
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Not suit them aswell ?
2017-09-29 00:46 Karolina: you mean SV?
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Oh
2017-09-29 00:46 SawySavvy: Yes i do
2017-09-29 00:46 did *
2017-09-29 00:48 Karolina: 01:13:182 (2,3,4,5,6) - the shape could use some work
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: I think the main issue there, imo anyhow
2017-09-29 00:49 Karolina: 01:20:182 (5) - rotate this slider like
2017-09-29 00:49 Karolina: https://reifa.s-ul.eu/3A8KJtnX
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: 01:14:015 (1) -
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: Is that
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: 2-3-4-5-6 all grow in length
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: For that 1
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: But overall it's not a ''good looking shape''
2017-09-29 00:49 SawySavvy: And then all of a sudden it goes a lot shorter in jump distance
2017-09-29 00:50 SawySavvy: Good call
2017-09-29 00:50 SawySavvy: Looks better with the slider that comes after aswell
2017-09-29 00:50 Karolina: 01:21:682 (1,2,3,4) - can also spice up the aesthetics like the previous ones
2017-09-29 00:50 Karolina: 01:27:014 (1,2,3,4) - same
2017-09-29 00:51 SawySavvy: Even as i agree
2017-09-29 00:51 SawySavvy: Since it IS a 4:15 song, having a similar sound look the same as it repeats
2017-09-29 00:51 SawySavvy: Does not have to be a bad thing
2017-09-29 00:51 SawySavvy: But if each were to be similar spiced up
2017-09-29 00:51 SawySavvy: That's more than fair
2017-09-29 00:52 Karolina: 01:29:348 (7) - maybe make this straight so the player could have a bit of predict where the circle will land
2017-09-29 00:52 Karolina: 01:32:349 (3,4,5,6) - same thing as in 01:21:682
2017-09-29 00:53 Karolina: 01:52:348 (1,2,3) - no need for sliders, maybe make bigger spacing or smth like that
2017-09-29 00:53 SawySavvy: Since you picked an IRC version of modding, do use the instant feedback this rare version of midding provides :)
2017-09-29 00:53 SawySavvy: Aka, read the thoughts on your thoughts
2017-09-29 00:53 Karolina: okidoki
2017-09-29 00:54 Karolina: and sowwy
2017-09-29 00:54 SawySavvy: ^_^
2017-09-29 00:55 Karolina: 02:09:015 (1) - tough one slider, i mean, the head comes real nice and stuff with the stream but the last reverse makes it go against the flow
2017-09-29 00:55 Karolina: you know what i mean?
2017-09-29 00:56 SawySavvy: What i actually wanted there
2017-09-29 00:56 SawySavvy: 03:53:681 (1) -
2017-09-29 00:56 SawySavvy: Is that
2017-09-29 00:56 SawySavvy: But since it has a special drum thing going on in the first kiai
2017-09-29 00:56 SawySavvy: I had to let that stream start on the white tick
2017-09-29 00:56 SawySavvy: 02:10:348 (1) -
2017-09-29 00:57 SawySavvy: So what i wanted is a repeat slider that goes back to where that one is
2017-09-29 00:57 Karolina: maybe
2017-09-29 00:57 SawySavvy: But i had no space
2017-09-29 00:57 SawySavvy: So i cut it early ''Imiaginary repeat slider''
2017-09-29 00:57 SawySavvy: There are prolly better ways to do it
2017-09-29 00:57 SawySavvy: And you end up on that 1
2017-09-29 00:57 Karolina: put a second slider
2017-09-29 00:58 SawySavvy: 02:09:015 (1) -
2017-09-29 00:58 SawySavvy: It covers the ''sword'' word
2017-09-29 00:58 SawySavvy: While paying respect to the drums
2017-09-29 00:58 SawySavvy: Where would i cut it ?
2017-09-29 00:59 SawySavvy: I think the best option would to just map the drums
2017-09-29 00:59 SawySavvy: But it's not what i wanted as a mapper, so i kept this as a memory of anoying situation that gave me a lot of thought.
2017-09-29 00:59 SawySavvy: Diary of me past misstake :)
2017-09-29 00:59 Karolina: the drums seem as a good idea
2017-09-29 01:00 SawySavvy: It's the more ''ranked standard'' way to solove the problem indeed
2017-09-29 01:00 SawySavvy: But i really gtg in like 10 mins now
2017-09-29 01:00 SawySavvy: Stayed up later than what i thought since you were kind enough to take this leap :)
2017-09-29 01:00 SawySavvy: Your modding ideas and why you state em and the gentle touch as you point them out
2017-09-29 01:00 SawySavvy: Are fair. You also focus a lot on trying to offer some form of solution
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: Rather then just pointing out what you think is off
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: That's a great way of modding
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: Esp that last part
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: To many ignore it
2017-09-29 01:01 Karolina: https://reifa.s-ul.eu/jUN6OAMj i think this could help the problem
2017-09-29 01:01 Karolina: also thanks for the nice words :D
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: That solution though
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: Would mean there is a sound
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: That provides a solid sound to map at that blue tick
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: There is not
2017-09-29 01:01 SawySavvy: Not a vocal nor a drum there
2017-09-29 01:02 Karolina: tbh, ur right, but this would solve the flow problem
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: 02:09:348 -
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: This is the only logical place for me to cut it
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: On the hard drum
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: Make a gap
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: 02:09:681 -
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: Star the next slider there
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: But then it's all messy and ''wtf is this huge gap and booring slider''
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: So going with pure drums there
2017-09-29 01:02 SawySavvy: Would make more sense overall and more fun yh ?
2017-09-29 01:03 Karolina: pretty :ok_hand:
2017-09-29 01:03 Karolina: so i guess here ends our mod adventure, smell you later
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This map is awesome, it's jumpy and speedy. You can deem this as ready to publish but this will give you around 200pp with no mods which is a bit OP. When ready for ranking, maybe you nerf it a bit? :idea: This is the best beat map I have seen so far and have so much hope for it! :D
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why is easier diff named queen and hardest king

are u implying women arent as valuable as men?wtf bro kids these days smh
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