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Camellia - Feelin Sky (Camellia's "200step" Self-remix)

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EphemeralFetish
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 02 January 2019 at 12:09:18

Artist: Camellia
Title: Feelin Sky (Camellia's "200step" Self-remix)
Tags: cametek summary vip dubstep dnb dj genki foxygrandpa
BPM: 200
Filesize: 23949kb
Play Time: 06:09
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hollow Sky 200 (7.14 stars, 1986 notes)
Download: Camellia - Feelin Sky (Camellia's "200step" Self-remix)
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first for actually playable 200step COUGH
Akkelobster
There's no way in h*** I am good enough at mapping to have a good grasp of this difficulty but I was asked to point out what I felt didn't reach my expectations. So I did. I am not expecting kudosu for this but maybe you are feelin ((sky)) generous

let's not clog this nice looking empty thread with a long mod
00:53:864 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this doesn't fit, try to keep to smaller patterns and something that flows better at the low points on the music. I get that you want to get up to a certain difficulty and want to get the players to get used to the difficulty or whatever but it seems forced AF

00:55:814 (1,2,3) - maybe take the SV down just a tad, it flows poorly

00:56:414 (2,3,4) - angle it more towards the middle for a better flow

00:57:014 (1,2,3) - it could work but at the same time it looks ehh, maybe blanket 00:57:464 (1) - with them?

01:02:864 (1) - I would really like some more contrast to the otherwise really fast map in the slow section that starts here and ends at 01:21:464 (1) -

01:07:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - just make something that isn't so irregular. or at the very least move 01:07:514 (4) - to create a triangle with 01:07:064 (1,3) - or whatever




01:19:064 (1,2,1,2) - now these I get, nice job on this
01:20:264 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ^



01:29:264 (5,6,7) - the jump feels a bit awkw, feels a bit better if you rotate the pattern towards the middle with 01:28:664 (1) - as a center point

01:28:664 (1) - ctrl + g makes it feel infinitly better

01:40:064 (1) - really feels like it's stopping the flow, maybe make it one of those fancy cursive N sliders. Maybe it's called itallics, who knows?

01:45:464 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I see what you were going for and it doesn't really do it for me, what are you going to do about it?

02:03:164 (2,3,1,2) - flows poorly

02:09:764 (2,3) - delete, make 02:09:464 (1) - a bigger, prettier and longer slider that stops 1/2 beat before the upcomming stream. the absolute nothingness between the sections bothers me

02:14:864 (2,3,4) - flows poorly

02:29:264 (1,2,3) - ^

02:32:864 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - linear acceleration would make it look nicer

02:52:664 (1) - looks like placeholder to me

03:11:864 (1) - slow sections should be slower, would be better if you started building up intensity starting here since we just got out of a section of nothing

03:18:014 (2) - first reverse slider that isn't just there as a buzz slider for the whole song up until now, it's 3 minutes into the song, hellO? also it's the last reverse slider in this section, just use a triple or add more reverse sliders in the section

03:18:014 (2) - the symmetry of this is putting me off

04:02:864 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - just a slight difficulty creep?




04:09:464 (1) - the kiai that starts here is really nice looking, 04:14:264 (1,2,3,4) - flows a bit iffy though




05:07:364 (2,3) - again with this huge empty section, just make some sliderart out of 05:07:064 (1) - that stretches to a 1/2 beat before the stream

05:11:864 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - really looks out of place with the sudden symmetry

05:17:264 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - make them alternate going up and down for much better flow

05:26:864 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - ^
Ancelysia
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change it to Camellia - Feelin Sky (Camellia's "200step" Self-remix)
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

Ancelysia wrote:

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change it to Camellia - Feelin Sky (Camellia's "200step" Self-remix)
Thanks, waiting on hitsounds and Ill update metadata along with them.
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

Akkelobster wrote:

There's no way in h*** I am good enough at mapping to have a good grasp of this difficulty but I was asked to point out what I felt didn't reach my expectations. So I did. I am not expecting kudosu for this but maybe you are feelin ((sky)) generous

let's not clog this nice looking empty thread with a long mod
00:53:864 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this doesn't fit, try to keep to smaller patterns and something that flows better at the low points on the music. I get that you want to get up to a certain difficulty and want to get the players to get used to the difficulty or whatever but it seems forced AF - The difficulty isnt even noticeable, its arguably easier to play than the first due to how the snapping feels.

00:55:814 (1,2,3) - maybe take the SV down just a tad, it flows poorly - Flows fine

00:56:414 (2,3,4) - angle it more towards the middle for a better flow - Its parallel with the previous slider for looks, and maintains circular flow in this position

00:57:014 (1,2,3) - it could work but at the same time it looks ehh, maybe blanket 00:57:464 (1) - with them? - Fine as is.

01:02:864 (1) - I would really like some more contrast to the otherwise really fast map in the slow section that starts here and ends at 01:21:464 (1) - - Honestly dont know what you mean here.

01:07:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - just make something that isn't so irregular. or at the very least move 01:07:514 (4) - to create a triangle with 01:07:064 (1,3) - or whatever - The irregularity is there for emphasis.




01:19:064 (1,2,1,2) - now these I get, nice job on this
01:20:264 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ^



01:29:264 (5,6,7) - the jump feels a bit awkw, feels a bit better if you rotate the pattern towards the middle with 01:28:664 (1) - as a center point - Feels fine to me

01:28:664 (1) - ctrl + g makes it feel infinitly better - Dunno what you mean since you cant Ctrl+G a single note

01:40:064 (1) - really feels like it's stopping the flow, maybe make it one of those fancy cursive N sliders. Maybe it's called itallics, who knows? - Stopping the flow to emphasis the strong drum beat is the whole point

01:45:464 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I see what you were going for and it doesn't really do it for me, what are you going to do about it? - Nothing

02:03:164 (2,3,1,2) - flows poorly - Disagree

02:09:764 (2,3) - delete, make 02:09:464 (1) - a bigger, prettier and longer slider that stops 1/2 beat before the upcomming stream. the absolute nothingness between the sections bothers me - That would ignore the other sounds. The gap works well

02:14:864 (2,3,4) - flows poorly - Disagree

02:29:264 (1,2,3) - ^ - Disagree

02:32:864 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - linear acceleration would make it look nicer - This is linear acceleration

02:52:664 (1) - looks like placeholder to me [i]slaps[/i]

03:11:864 (1) - slow sections should be slower, would be better if you started building up intensity starting here since we just got out of a section of nothing. -
Slower sections being "slower" is a silly idea, it just needs to be "slower/easier" than what you could consider more intense sections, and "faster/harder" then less intense ones. Theres no point in making it super easy just because its not as intense.

03:18:014 (2) - first reverse slider that isn't just there as a buzz slider for the whole song up until now, it's 3 minutes into the song, hellO? also it's the last reverse slider in this section, just use a triple or add more reverse sliders in the section - Triple instead.

03:18:014 (2) - the symmetry of this is putting me off

04:02:864 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - just a slight difficulty creep? - Music calls for a spike. Ive seen plenty of people SR this nomod and HR so its not that hard.




04:09:464 (1) - the kiai that starts here is really nice looking, 04:14:264 (1,2,3,4) - flows a bit iffy though - Sharp snap back for emphasis on the synth there.




05:07:364 (2,3) - again with this huge empty section, just make some sliderart out of 05:07:064 (1) - that stretches to a 1/2 beat before the stream - No, makes no sense.

05:11:864 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - really looks out of place with the sudden symmetry - Not an issue

05:17:264 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - make them alternate going up and down for much better flow - Butt emphasis if done that way, Id argue it would flow worse also

05:26:864 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - ^
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18:22 EphemeralFetish: Yo, do you have a few minutes to look at a map?
18:22 Hobbes2: im about to eat dinner so after i come back from that yea
18:23 EphemeralFetish: Aight, thanks
18:40 Hobbes2: feelin sky?
18:41 EphemeralFetish: Yeah, I had no idea ari was gonna ask you btw, that was some freak accident. My bad
18:41 Hobbes2: 01:49:064 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is snapped wrong
18:41 Hobbes2: nah dw lol
18:41 EphemeralFetish: Wait
18:41 EphemeralFetish: Thats not 1/4?
18:42 Hobbes2: well let me look at one of the 15 ranked mas of this song real quick
18:43 Hobbes2: well none of them map that part lol
18:43 Hobbes2: it def doenst sound like 1/4 to me
18:44 EphemeralFetish: Nah you right, slowed down its some weird snapping that doesnt make sense
18:45 Hobbes2: sounds like some 1/6 stuff
18:45 Hobbes2: http://puu.sh/zDyKb/bad4e9f06b.jpg smth like this idk
18:45 EphemeralFetish: Yeah slowing it down that looks right to me as well
18:46 Hobbes2: some of the rhythm in this first kiai feels a bit underwhelming compared to the song, example: 01:52:364 (4,5) -
18:46 Hobbes2: musically the synths or whatever are kinda stronger on the blue ticks there
18:46 Hobbes2: but you just do regular kicksliders
18:47 Hobbes2: 01:59:264 (1,2) - sounds like 1/6 to me
18:47 EphemeralFetish: Yeah I didnt wanna start delving into weird blue tick rhythms, felt like it would feel off to play and its not particuarly consistent in the song
18:47 Hobbes2: alright
18:47 EphemeralFetish: Yeah thats 1/6
18:47 Hobbes2: 01:59:264 (1) - actually this sounds like 1/4 but the next one sounds like 1/6
18:47 Hobbes2: im not 100% sure im not using my good headphones atm lol
18:48 EphemeralFetish: Hard to tell, slowing it down just makes it one messy sound
18:48 EphemeralFetish: 1/4 to 1/6th seems fitting full speed though
18:48 Hobbes2: eh you say the blue tick stuff isnt consistent but its definitely consistent across sections, like it happens here too 02:01:964 (4,5) -
18:48 Hobbes2: im not gonna make a big deal about that but yea
18:49 Hobbes2: 02:05:264 (1,2,3,4) - this just sounds wrong
18:49 EphemeralFetish: 02:01:514 (4) - Stuff like drum beats being on the reds is what I meant by it playing weird if I try to put in that blue tick stuff
18:49 Hobbes2: the rhythm definitely supports a clickable blue tick over that red tick
18:50 EphemeralFetish: Ahh
18:50 EphemeralFetish: Yeah I can probs shorten the 2 down and extend the 1 for those
18:50 Hobbes2: yea that would be good
18:51 Hobbes2: imo claps on tails is okay if youre supporting another rhythm but yea like i said its not that big of a deal or anything
18:51 Hobbes2: 02:08:864 (1,2,3,4) - shouldnt this be like - http://puu.sh/zDyZT/2be30995eb.jpg
18:52 Hobbes2: you did it earlier in the map anyway
18:52 EphemeralFetish: Wheres the earlier one?
18:53 Hobbes2: well its similar to this stuff 01:01:664 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) -
18:54 EphemeralFetish: Its defo wrong though, I never noticed the kick on the red tick
18:55 Hobbes2: 02:13:964 (1,2,3,4,1) - this might just be your interpreation or whatever but this seems a bit excessive for me
18:55 Hobbes2: a jump to 1 is cool but those circles feel overspaced given the music
18:56 Hobbes2: intepretation*
18:56 EphemeralFetish: Can scale down
18:56 Hobbes2: 02:14:864 (2,3,4,1) - tbh dont really like this, 4 feels very unnecessary
18:56 Hobbes2: seems like ur forcing that rhythm pretty hard
18:57 EphemeralFetish: Damn, that was one of the parts that got a lot of praise
18:57 Hobbes2: like try this and let me know what you think of it http://puu.sh/zDzcx/65696d6625.jpg
18:58 Hobbes2: i mean the section as a whole isnt bad
18:58 Hobbes2: that particular rhythm choice is just weird to me
18:58 EphemeralFetish: Nah not a fan of that tbh
18:58 Hobbes2: the music isnt really doing anything to support 3 clickables on all the 1/2 beats
18:58 EphemeralFetish: This just sounds right to me as is
18:59 Hobbes2: 02:15:089 - and this is definitely underemphasized currently
18:59 Hobbes2: to me anyway, shrug
18:59 Hobbes2: 02:17:489 - same here etc
18:59 Hobbes2: other than those things the rest of the section is cool
19:00 EphemeralFetish: Same thing I said before about weird blue tick rhythms, and honestly I cant really hear them full speed while playing it
19:00 EphemeralFetish: But yeah its probably an issue I cant get away with
19:00 Hobbes2: feel free to get another opinion on that
19:00 Hobbes2: dont let me change your map if you dont want to :p
19:01 EphemeralFetish: Yeah its more of a case of I might have to change it vs. what I prefer
19:01 Hobbes2: 02:52:064 (1) - pretty small thing but consider replacing these with circles, matches 02:51:614 (2,3,4) - and i think makes this feel better
19:02 Hobbes2: nice sliderart
19:02 EphemeralFetish: Actually, you're right here, that 1 needs to be 2 circles
19:05 Hobbes2: 04:02:264 (1) - mm feels kinda diffspikey to me
19:05 Hobbes2: eh well
19:05 Hobbes2: not too bad i guess
19:05 EphemeralFetish: Yo
19:05 EphemeralFetish: EVERYONE has said this
19:05 EphemeralFetish: Yet every test player has SR SS's it, even HDHR
19:05 Hobbes2: 04:07:514 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) - has blue tick snares and stuff
19:05 EphemeralFetish: Like I have no idea if I should nerf it or not
19:06 EphemeralFetish: Ahh, used the stronger beats and backing wubs to match up the sliders for that
19:06 EphemeralFetish: But I could do a full stream if you think its better
19:07 Hobbes2: ehh its not too bad, just feels really weird
19:07 Hobbes2: like I hear the blue tick snares at 100% volume so particularly
19:07 Hobbes2: i mean
19:07 Hobbes2: 100% speed lol
19:07 Hobbes2: 04:07:814 (1,2,3) -
19:07 Hobbes2: this just sounds weird
19:08 EphemeralFetish: Yeah kinda does, might be the hitsounds, didnt seem nearly as bad as when I mapped it without them
19:08 Hobbes2: yea probably a case of hitsounder not being the mapper so it doesnt match up well
19:08 Hobbes2: 04:08:264 (1,2,1) - this is pretty...yeah i think you know what ill say lol
19:08 Hobbes2: blue ticksss
19:08 Hobbes2: this one definitely there is almost nothing on 04:08:414 - comapred to the surrounding blue ticks
19:08 Hobbes2: which are both on slidertails
19:09 EphemeralFetish: Yeah and same reason as before, hardly noticeable at full speed and weird to play
19:09 Hobbes2: but it is noticeable at full speed
19:09 Hobbes2: :<
19:09 EphemeralFetish: Its also near impossible to emphasis the strong drums correctly if you try to fit them in as well since theres way too many circles
19:09 Hobbes2: there isnt even a drum on the red tick tho
19:09 Hobbes2: like
19:09 Hobbes2: theres pretty much nothing on that red tick
19:09 Hobbes2: 04:08:564 - same for this white tick
19:09 Hobbes2: almost nothing there
19:09 EphemeralFetish: Ohh wait
19:10 Hobbes2: idk how youre hearing it like that at full volume :L
19:10 EphemeralFetish: I thought you meant another part
19:10 EphemeralFetish: hold on
19:10 Hobbes2: oh lol
19:10 Hobbes2: i keep saying full volume but i mean full speed
19:10 EphemeralFetish: Cause I do it in the kiai a bit so I just assumed it was there
19:10 EphemeralFetish: 04:08:264 (1) - Just have this be circles it seems
19:11 Hobbes2: so ill straight up say I don't like the rhythm in this kiai but it seems to just be a difference in how we hear it or something
19:11 Hobbes2: since thats what im getting from our discussion so far
19:11 Hobbes2: but i dont get why you did a blue tick for 04:09:464 (1,2) - but not the 1/1 sliders lader
19:11 Hobbes2: 04:10:664 (1) - like this for examle
19:13 EphemeralFetish: First one the 1 and 2 are the same clear beat, for the long slider it just sounds like one high pitch wub sound to me
19:13 EphemeralFetish: And this is the actual part where I said about mixing it with the drum beats would throw off any emphasis of both
19:13 Hobbes2: like im trying to hear it like you do and if You think of the second one as one clear wub, so is the first one lol
19:14 EphemeralFetish: And honestly I cant hear it any other way
19:14 Hobbes2: feels like ur mixing the melody with the drums too hard for my liking
19:14 EphemeralFetish: It just looks and sounds right ot me
19:14 Hobbes2: but yeah it just feelsl ike we interpret the song different
19:14 Hobbes2: differently*
19:15 Hobbes2: 05:06:089 (3,1,2,3,4) - yucky
19:16 Hobbes2: 05:06:314 - total snare here
19:16 Hobbes2: 05:06:539 - and here
19:16 EphemeralFetish: Yeah you might be right here let me look
19:16 EphemeralFetish: Cause I was never sure about this part
19:17 EphemeralFetish: Any suggestions?
19:17 Hobbes2: http://puu.sh/zDzVJ/06309fdd54.jpg
19:17 Hobbes2: seems like the go to
19:17 Hobbes2: anything wrong with that?
19:17 EphemeralFetish: Nah looks good to me
19:18 EphemeralFetish: You ears seem way better than mine and I know what I have is wrong so I trust you on this
19:18 Hobbes2: 05:14:564 (1) jump05:14:864 (1) - jump 05:15:164 (1) - no jump :(
19:18 Hobbes2: oops
19:18 Hobbes2: well you know what i mean lol
19:20 EphemeralFetish: Ohh yeah this sounds way better now
19:20 EphemeralFetish: K let me try and explain this but Im happy to change if you dont agree
19:20 EphemeralFetish: Jumps cause no wubs, so jumps focus on drum hit and vocal pops
19:20 EphemeralFetish: Curves come in to fit the wubs in the back building
19:20 EphemeralFetish: And since theres no sharp change in them no jump
19:21 Hobbes2: mmm sure
19:21 Hobbes2: 05:55:064 (1) - i suggest lowering volume around here
19:21 Hobbes2: hitsounds feel super loud
19:21 EphemeralFetish: Shit, my hitsounder didnt do this part and I forgot about that
19:22 EphemeralFetish: Was supposed to be at 50
19:22 Hobbes2: 06:09:424 (1) - sounds like its too long but i cant tell where the music ends
19:22 Hobbes2: so its probably fine
19:23 EphemeralFetish: Theres the tiniest bit after, so I just went back to the closest white tick
19:23 Hobbes2: oh wow i hear it
19:23 Hobbes2: its like so barely audible lmao
19:23 Hobbes2: yeah its fine then
19:24 Hobbes2: overall the map isnt bad we just kinda disagree i guess. have you gotten mods on this or just like ppl to look at it
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