Natsuiro Burning Love*Prim - Sore wa Hanabi no Youna Koi [Ta · forum

aabc271

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aabc271 2017-11-01T14:51:55+00:00

xtrem3x wrote:
aabc's Oni

00:22:166 - this note could be changed to k to combine it better with the previous note (specifically for the vocal sounds), since the next note goes more focused to the bass sound. Kept this as d. Consider 00:21:671 (1,1,1,1,2) where the first 4 notes suggest a high-low-high-low vocal pitch, followed by an even lower 5th note.

00:35:352 - d? it seems to me that this note is more for the BG bass sound than to combine it with the next big note. Seems possible to me. k fits how I perceive the music more but d seems to fit the actual situation more

00:52:495 - this note is questionable, could be k since it follows the BG sound of course, but when compared with 00:53:814- it can be seen that this has more priority over the vocal than BG sound. Not sure if this is really a significant issue, but for now I changed 00:52:660 to K which seems to address the issue?
01:34:693 - Same situation here. ^

Thx for your mod

Update: aabc's Oni

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TitleUnicode:それは花火のような恋
Artist:Natsuiro Burning Love*Prim
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Nardoxyribonucleic

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Topic Starter

Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-11-01T15:03:16+00:00

Difficulties are updated till this point.

frukoyurdakul

638 posts

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frukoyurdakul 2017-11-30T17:56:44+00:00

Hi there.

[Inner Oni]

I think you should add a note here. In my mind the 1/1 break is not really neccessary considering the structure, and considering 00:10:297 - this break here, adding a note will create a better flow.
00:35:764 (283) - I think you can delete this note, since there is not a sound on it and the main snapping is 1/2 and 3/4.
01:09:803 - I can tell the finishers are following the vocal pitch, but it kinda goes against the structure that you created on every other part. Yes, the vocals are strong, but 3/4 finishers like that doesn't fit the main melody itself, so I recommend changing it to something like kk dk kd from the start. Same issue exists on 01:52:001 - this point.

[Wmf's Inner Oni]

00:13:100 - Umm, I don't exactly hear a 1/6 or trill sound to support it, so I simply recommend using 1/2 since 00:13:594 - kkdk 1/6 is still a bit hard to read.
00:35:078 (175) - In my mind, kkkd plays and sounds way better there, instead of kdkd.
01:27:770 (68) - Same as above. These can be applied since the map is already varied.
01:42:605 - Considering the rest of the map, I think this stream is too long. And, honestly I don't hear specific sounds until 01:43:100 - this spot so I recommend starting the stream from the latter. (Now I heard the rest of them but still 2nd point is the most prominent one.)
01:59:913 - Umm, rhythm-based this part is the hardest one and yet your patterns are the easiest. This got me thinking and I suggest you to add some 1/6 patterns on this section.

[aabc's Oni]

00:14:418 - Uuuuum, is this SV change neccessary? 1.00x to 0.98x in a wide scale is not really detectable, so I recommend fixing it to 1.00x or changing it even further to like, 0.9x.
01:17:715 - Here, again, seems like an unneccessary green line spam.
01:32:221 (1) - Missing a finisher maybe? Seems a bit weak compared to the rest.
01:38:319 ~ 01:52:495 - I don't think only one break between these spots are enough, consider adding one or two to the first kiai in this section. 01:44:253 (3,4) - Deleting these can be an option.

[Muzukashii]

00:04:693 ~ 00:19:693 - Between these, there are no 3/2 breaks and there should be one at least. Middle is preferred, I recommend 00:16:067 - this note to delete.
00:21:836 - I think you can add a note here since you are mostly following vocal and there is a vocal sound on it.
00:39:308 ~ 00:55:957 - These two sections are also continuously mapped with 1/4 patterns and it also consists 3/4 snaps which can be considered as hard on Muzukashii level, so I think you need to add one or two breaks between this section as well. Since the main focus is vocals, I recommend 00:46:396 (210) - deleting this note.
00:56:616 ~ 01:22:990 - This section is also very long without a 3/2 break, specifically 79/1 which is way continuous considering the amount of 3/4 snapping. There should be at least 3 breaks to calm this part down a bit.
01:30:737 - I think you can add a DON here and 01:30:902 (413) - change this to don aswell. It will flow better.
01:38:319 ~ 02:00:078 - The break issue also exists on this section, with 66/1 this time, which requires at least 2 breaks, preferrably 3.

[Futsuu]

Really good.

[Kantan]

Also good.

You can call me back when the issues are solved.

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_handholding

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_handholding 2017-11-30T18:15:48+00:00

frukoyurdakul wrote:
Hi there.

[Inner Oni]
I think you should add a note here. In my mind the 1/1 break is not really neccessary considering the structure, and considering 00:10:297 - this break here, adding a note will create a better flow.

:thinking:

frukoyurdakul

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frukoyurdakul 2017-11-30T21:29:34+00:00

I can't edit my post, it is bugged. The first post kisses mentioned was meant to point 00:09:308 - this spot.

[R]

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[R] 2017-11-30T22:13:16+00:00

i try to improve the bg, noise more clear and better look

BG

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Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-12-01T11:11:16+00:00

frukoyurdakul wrote:
Hi there.

[Inner Oni]

I think you should add a note here. In my mind the 1/1 break is not really neccessary considering the structure, and considering 00:10:297 - this break here, adding a note will create a better flow. Added d there.
00:35:764 (283) - I think you can delete this note, since there is not a sound on it and the main snapping is 1/2 and 3/4. fixed
01:09:803 - I can tell the finishers are following the vocal pitch, but it kinda goes against the structure that you created on every other part. Yes, the vocals are strong, but 3/4 finishers like that doesn't fit the main melody itself, so I recommend changing it to something like kk dk kd from the start. Same issue exists on 01:52:001 - this point. As the strong vocals call for, I would prefer keeping the finishes for better emphasis. It does not stand alone to affect structure as similar pattern like 01:14:418 (590,591,592,593) - exists.
[Muzukashii]

00:04:693 ~ 00:19:693 - Between these, there are no 3/2 breaks and there should be one at least. Middle is preferred, I recommend 00:16:067 - this note to delete. 15 seconds of pattern are not really long for Muzukashii. Further simplification would only cause unbalanced spread with aabc's Oni.
00:21:836 - I think you can add a note here since you are mostly following vocal and there is a vocal sound on it. You are right but this will form a relatively long 1/2 pattern which I do not prefer in this session. Also there are places I prioritize difficulty management rather than following all of them like 01:03:374 - 01:04:693 - 01:05:847 -
00:39:308 ~ 00:55:957 - These two sections are also continuously mapped with 1/4 patterns and it also consists 3/4 snaps which can be considered as hard on Muzukashii level, so I think you need to add one or two breaks between this section as well. Since the main focus is vocals, I recommend 00:46:396 (210) - deleting this note. Same as 00:04:693 - . I think forcing a break would impede consistency and ruin the structure (i.e. 00:46:067 (209,210) - 00:50:023 (229,230) - )
00:56:616 ~ 01:22:990 - This section is also very long without a 3/2 break, specifically 79/1 which is way continuous considering the amount of 3/4 snapping. There should be at least 3 breaks to calm this part down a bit. Deleted 01:14:089 (342,343) - for a 2/1 rest. Adding too much breaks would simply lose the impact the kiai provides for the intense music.
01:30:737 - I think you can add a DON here and 01:30:902 (413) - change this to don aswell. It will flow better. Remain unchanged as I would like to avoid 1/2 until 01:32:880 - for the calmness.
01:38:319 ~ 02:00:078 - The break issue also exists on this section, with 66/1 this time, which requires at least 2 breaks, preferrably 3. Similar to 00:56:616 - , I removed 01:56:286 (530) - for another 2/1 break.
[Futsuu]

Really good.

[Kantan]

Also good.

You can call me back when the issues are solved.

Thanks for your mod fruko~

@[R]: BG appreciated. Thanks!

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2017-12-01T18:51:44+00:00

frukoyurdakul wrote:
[Wmf's Inner Oni]

00:13:100 - Umm, I don't exactly hear a 1/6 or trill sound to support it, so I simply recommend using 1/2 since 00:13:594 - kkdk 1/6 is still a bit hard to read. 1/2 sounds weird as it breaks at the 1/2 level...but the 1/6 pairs up with the coming one well. Most 1/6 appeared in pairs later in the song as well.
00:35:078 (175) - In my mind, kkkd plays and sounds way better there, instead of kdkd. As mentioned in previous replies kdkd is what to be intended due to pitch consideration.
01:27:770 (68) - Same as above. These can be applied since the map is already varied. ^, as a variation of kdkd. In either way kkkd does not fit if you consider the coming melody imo
01:42:605 - Considering the rest of the map, I think this stream is too long. And, honestly I don't hear specific sounds until 01:43:100 - this spot so I recommend starting the stream from the latter. (Now I heard the rest of them but still 2nd point is the most prominent one.)
01:42:770 - to 01:43:264 - is a repetition of 01:42:111 - to 01:42:605 - as a group, so it would be inappropriate to break somewhere in between. Starting from the triplets is a bridge connecting the two sentences providing fluidity, which is repeated throughout the song like 00:59:748 - , 01:11:122 - , and 01:53:319 - . A 19-plet does not get too long when you already have 17-plets before, right...?
01:59:913 - Umm, rhythm-based this part is the hardest one and yet your patterns are the easiest. This got me thinking and I suggest you to add some 1/6 patterns on this section. I guess it's fine to have an easy part for the last 5 seconds as the climax has ended. I thought about 1/6 actually around 02:01:561 - or 02:02:550 - , but they require longer 1/6 streams which I wanted to stay away from. Therefore I decided to make it plain and easy instead

sorry but thanks >_<

aabc271

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aabc271 2017-12-03T09:35:03+00:00

frukoyurdakul's mod

frukoyurdakul wrote:
[aabc's Oni]

00:14:418 - Uuuuum, is this SV change neccessary? 1.00x to 0.98x in a wide scale is not really detectable, so I recommend fixing it to 1.00x or changing it even further to like, 0.9x. Increased the speed difference throughout the song for a bit
01:17:715 - Here, again, seems like an unneccessary green line spam. ^
01:32:221 (1) - Missing a finisher maybe? Seems a bit weak compared to the rest. That'd sound like between finish and not finish? Added for now
01:38:319 ~ 01:52:495 - I don't think only one break between these spots are enough, consider adding one or two to the first kiai in this section. 01:44:253 (3,4) - Deleting these can be an option. How's this an issue? All the spaces at 01:39:473 (6,7), 01:40:133 (3,4) sufficiently divides the kiai into small sections. Such 2-plet insertions fit the vocal's frequent 1/1.5 usage as well, and they're not really denser than 1st kiai (00:56:616)

Thx for your mod

Update: aabc's Oni

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Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-12-03T09:46:40+00:00

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frukoyurdakul

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frukoyurdakul 2017-12-03T14:31:59+00:00

wmfchris wrote:
[Wmf's Inner Oni]

00:13:100 - Umm, I don't exactly hear a 1/6 or trill sound to support it, so I simply recommend using 1/2 since 00:13:594 - kkdk 1/6 is still a bit hard to read. 1/2 sounds weird as it breaks at the 1/2 level...but the 1/6 pairs up with the coming one well. Most 1/6 appeared in pairs later in the song as well. At least 00:13:649 (12) - change this to d for a reverse pattern because dkkd and kkdk together as you explained don't create a good flow in my opinion, actually it just breaks it to be honest.
00:35:078 (175) - In my mind, kkkd plays and sounds way better there, instead of kdkd. As mentioned in previous replies kdkd is what to be intended due to pitch consideration. I've checked your explanation, yet the vocal sound you mentioned is on 00:35:188 (177) - this one which I don't have a problem with, but 00:35:078 (175) - this one just emphasize nothing. I mean, it's different for no reason because you are clearly following the trill sound with the 1/6 pattern, and kkkd works way better here. 00:35:023 (174,176) - These two emphasize the trills good, and the middle don just breaks it.

aabc271 wrote:
[aabc's Oni]

01:38:319 ~ 01:52:495 - I don't think only one break between these spots are enough, consider adding one or two to the first kiai in this section. 01:44:253 (3,4) - Deleting these can be an option. How's this an issue? All the spaces at 01:39:473 (6,7), 01:40:133 (3,4) sufficiently divides the kiai into small sections. Such 2-plet insertions fit the vocal's frequent 1/1.5 usage as well, and they're not really denser than 1st kiai (00:56:616) Umm, in my opinion 3/4 snaps can'be considered as "break" because the rhythm itself is already hard and with a continuous mapping like this,
I think it's quite hard and needs one break at least.

Except these issues, I think the mapset is good, but I need further explanations on these.

aabc271

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aabc271 2017-12-03T15:05:04+00:00

frukoyurdakul wrote:
aabc271 wrote:
[aabc's Oni]

01:38:319 ~ 01:52:495 - I don't think only one break between these spots are enough, consider adding one or two to the first kiai in this section. 01:44:253 (3,4) - Deleting these can be an option. How's this an issue? All the spaces at 01:39:473 (6,7), 01:40:133 (3,4) sufficiently divides the kiai into small sections. Such 2-plet insertions fit the vocal's frequent 1/1.5 usage as well, and they're not really denser than 1st kiai (00:56:616) Umm, in my opinion 3/4 snaps can'be considered as "break" because the rhythm itself is already hard and with a continuous mapping like this,
I think it's quite hard and needs one break at least.

But in my opinion they are. The rhythm, while you consider hard, is consistent and intuitive in my eyes (oo o o/ oo ooo as majority, followed by same pattern from 01:44:089 onwards). Also this is part of the final kiai which sounds more "excited" when you consider the vocal. All these justify the denser patterns but still within a reasonable range (not much difference with 1st kiai).
Except these issues, I think the mapset is good, but I need further explanations on these.
While you could still disagree with my claim, but from what I saw above, your argument is more based on your opinion ("in my opinion", "I think") which is not so different from how I explained above. I hope you'd consider my reply sufficient

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2017-12-03T22:10:12+00:00

frukoyurdakul wrote:
[Wmf's Inner Oni]

00:13:100 - Umm, I don't exactly hear a 1/6 or trill sound to support it, so I simply recommend using 1/2 since 00:13:594 - kkdk 1/6 is still a bit hard to read. 1/2 sounds weird as it breaks at the 1/2 level...but the 1/6 pairs up with the coming one well. Most 1/6 appeared in pairs later in the song as well. At least 00:13:649 (12) - change this to d for a reverse pattern because dkkd and kkdk together as you explained don't create a good flow in my opinion, actually it just breaks it to be honest. Why is symmetry so important? I don't see any need to force a symmetric pattern over a very short period of time because you won't see such symmetry every 1/2 in the song (it happens but over a larger time scale). Here kkdk is used simply because the second 1/6 note happened before the 1/4 melodic note and the third 1/6 note appears after it. And so, kddk may not work the very best there.
00:35:078 (175) - In my mind, kkkd plays and sounds way better there, instead of kdkd. As mentioned in previous replies kdkd is what to be intended due to pitch consideration. I've checked your explanation, yet the vocal sound you mentioned is on 00:35:188 (177) - this one which I don't have a problem with, but 00:35:078 (175) - this one just emphasize nothing. I mean, it's different for no reason because you are clearly following the trill sound with the 1/6 pattern, and kkkd works way better here. 00:35:023 (174,176) - These two emphasize the trills good, and the middle don just breaks it. I think my previous explanation covers both 1/6. kkkd is a no because the pitch variation does not work in that way. It would rather be anything but kkkd -- for simplicity reason I hope ddkd would have explained by intention clearer.

I will try to clarify if there are further questions ><

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Nardoxyribonucleic

osu! Alumni

3,008 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-12-04T07:25:16+00:00

Updated Wmf's Inner Oni.

shionelove

1,521 posts

Joined September 2010

shionelove 2017-12-04T11:36:33+00:00

add tag beatmania IIDX and jubeat.it would be better : )

Nardoxyribonucleic

osu! Alumni

3,008 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-12-04T11:47:25+00:00

shionelove wrote:
add tag beatmania IIDX and jubeat.it would be better : )

Added "beatmania IIDX 22 PENDUAL" and "jubeat" to tags, thanks!

frukoyurdakul

638 posts

Joined December 2015

frukoyurdakul 2017-12-06T11:41:11+00:00

Explanations are good for me, so we can take this map further. Good luck!

Stefan

Global Moderator

10,393 posts

Joined January 2011

Stefan 2017-12-07T22:36:54+00:00

[wmf's Inner Oni]
00:35:023 (174,175,176,177) - might change to kddk since ddkd on 1/6 is barely remarkable to hear out the sound, while the gameplay aspect looks imo better if you go with kddk.

[aabc's Oni]
01:17:468 (1) - sorta divided by that pattern choice, imo 01:17:056 (1,2,1,2) - isn't different from 01:17:385 (1,1,2) - sound-wise in the song. Would go with d instead.
01:59:666 (1) - ^

call me b

aabc271

osu! Alumni

1,315 posts

Joined August 2009

aabc271 2017-12-08T04:51:38+00:00

Stefan wrote:
[aabc's Oni]
01:17:468 (1) - sorta divided by that pattern choice, imo 01:17:056 (1,2,1,2) - isn't different from 01:17:385 (1,1,2) - sound-wise in the song. Would go with d instead. Wouldn't mind changing this for difficulty spread, but note that comparing 01:17:056 with 01:17:385, the latter does have higher pitch.
Changed for now
01:59:666 (1) - ^ ^

Thx for your mod

Update: aabc's Oni

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:それは花火のような恋
Artist:Natsuiro Burning Love*Prim
ArtistUnicode:夏色バーニングラブ☆Prim
Creator:Nardoxyribonucleic
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Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-12-08T16:38:40+00:00

Updated aabc's Oni. Pending wmf's response.

wmfchris

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wmfchris 2017-12-08T18:34:12+00:00

Stefan wrote:
[wmf's Inner Oni]
00:35:023 (174,175,176,177) - might change to kddk since ddkd on 1/6 is barely remarkable to hear out the sound, while the gameplay aspect looks imo better if you go with kddk.

That works too.

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-12-09T08:03:58+00:00

Updated Wmf's Inner Oni as well.

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Stefan 2017-12-09T14:15:56+00:00