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tofubeats - CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam Sys...

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Nathan
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Joined August 2014
Nathan
didnt change the second, i prefer keeping the high vocal note distinct


osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 120149
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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[Editor]
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BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16
TimelineZoom: 2.1

[Metadata]
Title:CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix)
TitleUnicode:CAND¥¥¥LAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix)
Artist:tofubeats
ArtistUnicode:tofubeats
Creator:ProfessionalBox
Version:Nathan's Extra
Source:
Tags:future bass collab probox winber1 handsome sing toybot nathan sukinathan wolves fanzhen fanzhen0019 plaudible hobbes2
BeatmapID:1418503
BeatmapSetID:663519

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0,125,193180,2,0,P|41:127|81:140,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,41,193368,1,2,1:0:0:0:
213,198,193555,6,0,P|173:211|126:213,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
0,125,193743,2,0,P|41:127|81:140,1,84.0000008010864,2|2,0:2|0:1,0:0:0:0:
274,32,193930,5,0,3:0:0:0:
274,32,194024,1,2,0:2:0:0:
274,32,194118,2,0,L|263:133,1,84.0000008010864,6|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
351,210,194305,2,0,L|360:126,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
465,54,194493,2,0,L|454:155,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
274,32,194680,5,2,0:2:0:0:
274,32,194774,1,2,0:2:0:0:
274,32,194868,2,0,L|256:229,1,168.000001602173,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
351,210,195149,2,0,L|369:13,1,168.000001602173,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
465,54,195430,2,0,L|455:137,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,3:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
369,343,195618,5,6,3:1:0:0:
369,343,195993,2,0,P|308:327|270:297,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,228,196180,2,0,P|213:168|220:120,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
402,172,196368,1,2,1:0:0:0:
369,343,196555,6,0,P|308:327|270:297,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,228,196743,2,0,P|213:168|220:120,1,84.0000008010864,2|2,0:2|0:1,0:0:0:0:
453,261,196930,5,0,3:0:0:0:
453,261,197024,1,2,0:2:0:0:
453,261,197118,2,0,L|359:252,1,84.0000008010864,6|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
141,302,197305,2,0,L|224:311,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
218,67,197493,2,0,B|227:112|227:112|209:161,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
453,261,197680,5,0,0:2:0:0:
453,261,197774,1,2,0:2:0:0:
453,261,197868,2,0,L|249:238,1,168.000001602173,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
141,302,198149,2,0,P|248:283|301:202,1,168.000001602173,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
218,67,198430,2,0,P|184:131|191:173,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,3:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
386,233,198618,6,0,L|376:150,1,84.0000008010864,6|0,3:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
386,233,198993,6,0,L|376:150,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
183,141,199180,2,0,L|100:131,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
218,349,199368,1,2,1:0:0:0:
386,233,199555,6,0,L|376:150,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
183,141,199743,2,0,L|100:131,1,84.0000008010864,2|2,0:2|0:1,0:0:0:0:
321,337,199930,5,0,3:0:0:0:
321,337,200024,1,2,0:2:0:0:
321,337,200118,2,0,P|301:290|273:256,1,84.0000008010864,6|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
59,222,200305,2,0,P|109:228|153:220,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,61,200493,2,0,P|269:101|253:143,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
321,337,200680,5,2,0:2:0:0:
321,337,200774,1,2,0:2:0:0:
321,337,200868,2,0,P|301:290|219:201,1,168.000001602173,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
59,222,201149,2,0,P|109:228|227:201,1,168.000001602173,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,61,201430,2,0,P|269:101|253:143,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,3:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
211,298,201618,5,6,3:1:0:0:
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127,166,202180,2,0,L|40:160,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
38,316,202368,1,2,1:0:0:0:
211,298,202555,6,0,L|298:292,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
127,166,202743,2,0,L|40:160,1,84.0000008010864,2|2,0:2|0:1,0:0:0:0:
132,353,202930,5,0,3:0:0:0:
132,353,203024,1,2,0:2:0:0:
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206,123,203305,2,0,B|223:166|223:166|207:227,1,84.0000008010864,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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132,353,203680,5,2,0:0:0:0:
132,353,203774,1,2,0:0:0:0:
132,353,203868,2,0,B|115:310|115:310|131:249,1,84.0000008010864,2|2,0:1|0:2,0:0:0:0:
206,123,204055,2,0,B|223:166|223:166|207:227,1,84.0000008010864,2|2,0:2|0:2,0:0:0:0:
302,371,204243,1,8,0:0:0:0:
302,371,204618,5,2,0:0:0:0:
ProfessionalBox
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Topic Starter
ProfessionalBox

Sinnoh wrote:

General
01:27:618 (2) - Hitsound should be normal-hitnormal, fits better with other parts like this
The usage of 30% volume in final kiai is pretty low, can you raise it to 40% done for every diff

Plaubbe's Insane
01:48:618 (1) - Usage of whistle in this section is a bit inconsistent at times, just check for consistency copied hitsounds and nothing stood out to me afterwards

Collab Insane
01:42:618 (1,2) - Using overlaps wasn't used anywhere else, visually inconsistent Changed this
02:47:493 (3) - Silent sliderslide silenced body + tail to 5%
03:04:368 (1) - Missing normal sampleset Copied hitsounds
03:36:430 (1) - Optional to ctrl-g to give better indication it's a low sv Unnecessary imo


Fanzhen
00:55:368 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:08:493 (1,2,3,4) - These are really inconsistent with each other, both should use sliders or neither. They are essentially the same as 1/8 sliders play like 1/4 streams so no change
01:48:618 (1) - good 4 ctb agree

change the name rip my genious
00:57:618 (1,1,2,1) - This jump is probably a bit larger than it needs to be I want to argue that it isn't. Imo it fits well and I don't think it needs changing
02:29:868 (1,2,1,2) - 1/12 was overdoing it so we moved to 1/4 instead ye
03:10:743 (3) - This was normally followed with a 1/2 slider, sounds odd since it plays identical to all other lyrics which are not as repetitive as this. I think this being a 1/4 slider here makes sense as the "laaand" isn't as dragged out so I don't want to use a slow slider that "drags out".
Also the pattern is way too cool to be changed with this xd
03:13:743 (1,2) - I really think this rhythm should be ctrl-g, sounds like main melody is on the slider tail here, and there's no synth on the slider head. Applies for most of this section. Applies for whole section The consistency of this alone makes this ok imo. I also think that the rhythm choice makes sense and the ctrl + g would ruin the "double pairs" of sliders that are the gimmick of this section
-Tochi
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new diff name smh
ProfessionalBox
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-Tochi wrote:

new diff name smh
rip best diffname
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RANK THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSZ

In winber1's Extra. 02:13:601 (2,3,4) - This might be a mistake to place a note in yellow lines

*no kds*
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chat logs
I used two computers to check, so some logs are out of order. This is just direct copy paste from each one

2017-10-31 16:06 Sinnoh: 03:33:618 (1) - can you get rid of the whistle here
2017-10-31 16:06 Sinnoh: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1443385 tofubeats - CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix) [Doormat's Normal]]
2017-10-31 16:06 ProfessionalBox: doormat diff is only diff that hasn't been checked
2017-10-31 16:07 ProfessionalBox: also fixed unsnapping and uninherited timing point stuff
2017-10-31 16:07 Sinnoh: yeah went through that diff found nothing
2017-10-31 16:07 ProfessionalBox: also removed the whistl
2017-10-31 16:07 ProfessionalBox: wait actually
2017-10-31 16:07 ProfessionalBox: collab insane is unchecked by sing
2017-10-31 16:08 ProfessionalBox: toybot checked but nothing to fix for him
2017-10-31 16:08 ProfessionalBox: sing didnt
2017-10-31 16:09 Sinnoh: why not name it singbot's cuz i had no idea sing was part of the set
2017-10-31 16:09 ProfessionalBox: yeah thats the exact question I'm asking the guys atm
2017-10-31 16:09 ProfessionalBox: they just said "name collab insane" and i was like ok whatever
2017-10-31 16:09 ProfessionalBox: but I don't think they'd mind the namecahnge too much
2017-10-31 16:09 ProfessionalBox: in fact
2017-10-31 16:10 ProfessionalBox: I'll change it if I get no reply
2017-10-31 16:10 ProfessionalBox: I can always change it back to collab insane
2017-10-31 16:10 Sinnoh: do they need to reply about anything else?
2017-10-31 16:10 ProfessionalBox: sing's parts
2017-10-31 16:10 ProfessionalBox: I can check them over since he didn't do that
2017-10-31 16:11 ProfessionalBox: even tho I asked him to do it yesterday before he forgot
2017-10-31 16:11 ProfessionalBox: and he forgot
2017-10-31 16:11 ProfessionalBox: XDDDDDDD
2017-10-31 16:11 ProfessionalBox: he wont mind im sure
2017-10-31 16:11 Sinnoh: also, boxart wongline needs to go soon
2017-10-31 16:12 ProfessionalBox: ok looks like everything pointed to him was pointless
2017-10-31 16:12 ProfessionalBox: nothing probably needs changing
2017-10-31 16:12 ProfessionalBox: yeah
2017-10-31 16:12 Sinnoh: lo
2017-10-31 16:12 ProfessionalBox: everything from the 1 grand mod the diff got was stuff that doesn't need changing
2017-10-31 16:12 ProfessionalBox: personal preference stuff
2017-10-31 16:13 Sinnoh: any reason why epilepsy warning is not enabled?
2017-10-31 16:14 ProfessionalBox: I think it'd be overkill
2017-10-31 16:14 ProfessionalBox: like
2017-10-31 16:14 ProfessionalBox: does it really need to be enabled
2017-10-31 16:14 ProfessionalBox: 02:00:618 -
2017-10-31 16:14 ProfessionalBox: these are the only "flashes"
2017-10-31 16:14 ProfessionalBox: and they dont even repeat
2017-10-31 16:15 Sinnoh: it's every 4 seconds so hmm
2017-10-31 16:15 ProfessionalBox: I'll let you decide
2017-10-31 16:15 ProfessionalBox: I'll enable it if you want for me to
2017-10-31 16:15 ProfessionalBox: I'm quite w/e anyways about it
2017-10-31 16:17 ProfessionalBox: Do you mind if I go cook some food? Would take like 20-30min probably
2017-10-31 16:17 Sinnoh: i am going to mod first so do whatever lol
2017-10-31 16:17 ProfessionalBox: just what I wanted to hear
2017-10-31 16:17 ProfessionalBox: :ok_hand:
2017-10-31 16:18 Sinnoh: 01:42:618 (1) - just idk if 4x repeat should be in easy
2017-10-31 16:55 ProfessionalBox: ok im back
2017-10-31 16:55 Sinnoh: 02:12:618 (1) - aren't these burai on fanzhen
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: hmmm
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: technically yes
2017-10-31 16:56 Sinnoh: https://puu.sh/ybons/d6062df383.png is fine
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: but this is borderline I'd say
2017-10-31 16:56 Sinnoh: same thing
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: should probably get some discussion on this
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: because yeah
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: I can do that
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: like you did in pic
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: but like
2017-10-31 16:56 ProfessionalBox: its essentially the same anyways
2017-10-31 16:57 Sinnoh: rules are rules
2017-10-31 16:57 ProfessionalBox: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9436330
2017-10-31 16:57 ProfessionalBox: good enough?
2017-10-31 16:57 Sinnoh: i thought my one was cuter but ok
2017-10-31 16:57 ProfessionalBox: I don't want to add the curved even tho its nice
2017-10-31 16:57 ProfessionalBox: this is fanzhen diff
2017-10-31 16:58 ProfessionalBox: so i need to think like fanzhen
2017-10-31 16:58 ProfessionalBox: he wanted sharp action so I'm gonna give him sharpness
2017-10-31 16:58 Sinnoh: also, why spinners
2017-10-31 16:59 ProfessionalBox: 02:18:618 (1) -
2017-10-31 16:59 ProfessionalBox: same here?
2017-10-31 16:59 Sinnoh: ye
2017-10-31 16:59 ProfessionalBox: will change
2017-10-31 16:59 ProfessionalBox: uh
2017-10-31 16:59 ProfessionalBox: idk why he wanted spinners
2017-10-31 16:59 ProfessionalBox: but he is consistent with them
2017-10-31 17:01 ProfessionalBox: those spinners are something I really wouldn't want to trust and they fit the gimmicky nature of the diff imo
2017-10-31 17:01 ProfessionalBox: Since if I touch the spinners it means I'm basically mapping the parts left blank from scratch, not just modifying
2017-10-31 17:01 Sinnoh: where is fanzhen?
2017-10-31 17:02 ProfessionalBox: no idea but he said he cant come to computer for 3+ days
2017-10-31 17:02 ProfessionalBox: and he said for me to fix for him
2017-10-31 17:05 Sinnoh: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1404440 tofubeats - CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix) [Boxart Wongline: FOREVER]]
2017-10-31 17:05 Sinnoh: 02:29:868 (1,2,1,2) - aren't these a bit over the top
2017-10-31 17:06 ProfessionalBox: snapwise?
2017-10-31 17:06 Sinnoh: yes
2017-10-31 17:06 ProfessionalBox: the 1/12 snap was to be distinct from the other parts that went from high to low pitch
2017-10-31 17:06 ProfessionalBox: since that went from low to high
2017-10-31 17:07 ProfessionalBox: but I'll change them since 1/12 is not rankable in this context i think xd
2017-10-31 17:09 ProfessionalBox: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9436361
2017-10-31 17:09 ProfessionalBox: what I did to them
2017-10-31 17:09 ProfessionalBox: 1/4 sliders
2017-10-31 17:09 Sinnoh: ok that works
2017-10-31 17:10 ProfessionalBox: Did you make a decision on the epilepsy thing btw
2017-10-31 17:10 Sinnoh: i asked in an sb discord
2017-10-31 17:10 ProfessionalBox: also for the 4x repeat in easy it should be perfectly fine because of how big the gaps are
2017-10-31 17:11 Sinnoh: no response
2017-10-31 17:11 Sinnoh: kk
2017-10-31 17:11 ProfessionalBox: rip response
2017-10-31 17:11 ProfessionalBox: nobody has pointed it out
2017-10-31 17:11 ProfessionalBox: so I think its just aimod being aimod
2017-10-31 17:11 Sinnoh: i'll update you later, mod posted
2017-10-31 17:12 ProfessionalBox: o great
2017-10-31 17:13 Sinnoh: respond to plaubbe's diff it's just hs
2017-10-31 17:13 ProfessionalBox: ye
2017-10-31 17:14 ProfessionalBox: I'll get back to the mod tomorrow, I am super busy for the rest of the day as I have a test cominng up later today
2017-10-31 17:14 ProfessionalBox: I'll also try to get responses from everyone else asap!
2017-10-31 17:15 ProfessionalBox: Thanks for your time and cya later :)
2017-11-01 17:28 Sinnoh: do you ever want to hear the sliderslide or always prefer it silenced
2017-11-01 17:28 ProfessionalBox: mine is silenced 100% of the time in my skin
2017-11-01 17:28 ProfessionalBox: so I dont even think about its existence
2017-11-01 17:29 ProfessionalBox: is it that bad
2017-11-01 17:29 ProfessionalBox: even with 5% volume?
2017-11-01 17:30 Sinnoh: just noticed it at 01:28:743 (1) - where there's no hitsound before + low volume in music
2017-11-01 17:31 ProfessionalBox: that reminds me
2017-11-01 17:31 ProfessionalBox: I actually almost forgot to silence something
2017-11-01 17:31 ProfessionalBox: I want to quickly try how a part soudns with silenced 1/8ts
2017-11-01 17:32 ProfessionalBox: yeah this is much better, I added 5% volumes to 02:04:602 - and 02:04:883 -
2017-11-01 17:32 Sinnoh: also 02:44:305 (2,2) - aren't these way overmapped
2017-11-01 17:32 ProfessionalBox: all other 1/8 tails are ok imo
2017-11-01 17:32 Sinnoh: for rhythm
2017-11-01 17:33 ProfessionalBox: I think its ok overmapping since its a repeat slider anyways. Also just spamming 1/4 sliders gets boring so
2017-11-01 17:33 ProfessionalBox: I went for variety over 100% accurate music following
2017-11-01 17:33 ProfessionalBox: 02:44:868 (1,2,3,4) - also this is more emphasized because of it
2017-11-01 17:34 ProfessionalBox: 02:44:305 (2,2) - if these were 1/4 sliders too then 02:44:868 (1,2,3,4) - would be underwhelming because it is only 1/4 sliders
2017-11-01 17:34 ProfessionalBox: I hope you understand the reasoning :D
2017-11-01 17:34 Sinnoh: i understand, i'm just trying to think if there's an alternative solution
2017-11-01 17:35 ProfessionalBox: the other solution would be to leave them as circles
2017-11-01 17:35 ProfessionalBox: just 1x circle
2017-11-01 17:35 ProfessionalBox: but that would feel underwhelming
2017-11-01 17:35 Sinnoh: 02:44:118 (1) - if you used the same rhythm, but had these sliders facing outwards that would also emphasise it
2017-11-01 17:35 Sinnoh: think the hard part of big black
2017-11-01 17:36 Sinnoh: https://puu.sh/ycbKl/9671f9ff53.png totally random placement with the concept
2017-11-01 17:38 ProfessionalBox: i can't really create the same feel without repeat arrows I feel like
2017-11-01 17:38 ProfessionalBox: hmmm
2017-11-01 17:38 ProfessionalBox: also I don't think I have enough space to do that kind of pattern in the kind of scale it would need to be
2017-11-01 17:39 Sinnoh: o, i should have just said like 02:49:180 (1,2,3) - lol
2017-11-01 17:39 Sinnoh: ok, you have your reasons
2017-11-01 17:39 ProfessionalBox: 02:40:368 (1,2,3) - like this?
2017-11-01 17:39 Sinnoh: ye
2017-11-01 17:39 Sinnoh: also enable epilepsy warning on all diffs
2017-11-01 17:39 ProfessionalBox: I mean i just used it in the previous measure
2017-11-01 17:40 ProfessionalBox: so its kinda
2017-11-01 17:40 ProfessionalBox: if you want I can do volume altering for the repeat
2017-11-01 17:40 ProfessionalBox: if you dont want it audible as much?
2017-11-01 17:40 Sinnoh: that would help i guess
2017-11-01 17:40 ProfessionalBox: also good point with the epilepsy, I'll do that
2017-11-01 17:41 Sinnoh: i'm just checking ai mod lo
2017-11-01 17:41 ProfessionalBox: I dropped volume to 30% on the repeat
2017-11-01 17:41 ProfessionalBox: back to 65% on tail
2017-11-01 17:41 ProfessionalBox: I think its actually quite noticeable change
2017-11-01 17:41 ProfessionalBox: feel more natural for me too
2017-11-01 17:41 Sinnoh: do what you think is best
2017-11-01 17:42 Sinnoh: o nice your map broke ai bat :ok_hand:
2017-11-01 17:42 ProfessionalBox: XD
2017-11-01 17:43 ProfessionalBox: ai mod only complains about kiai nothing else
2017-11-01 17:43 ProfessionalBox: updating changes
2017-11-01 17:43 Sinnoh: k gotta restart to check modding assistant cuz mac lol
2017-11-02 13:21 Sinnoh: hype
2017-11-02 13:22 ProfessionalBox: updated
2017-11-02 13:39 Sinnoh: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1418503 tofubeats - CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix) [Nathan's Extra]]
2017-11-02 13:39 Sinnoh: 00:06:618 (1) - storyboard broke i think
2017-11-02 13:40 Sinnoh: haha more issues that take forever to fix :gun:
2017-11-02 13:41 ProfessionalBox: I think I know the reason
2017-11-02 13:41 ProfessionalBox: I have a hunch
2017-11-02 13:42 ProfessionalBox: I hope I'm right
2017-11-02 13:42 ProfessionalBox: because if I am its super ez fix
2017-11-02 13:42 ProfessionalBox: yup
2017-11-02 13:42 ProfessionalBox: I was
2017-11-02 13:42 ProfessionalBox: maximum bg dimensions are 1920x1200 right? this one is 1920x1080
2017-11-02 13:42 ProfessionalBox: the weird cutoff wont be seen with 1920x1200 resolution
2017-11-02 13:43 ProfessionalBox: so I just have to replace the bg with upscaled version
2017-11-02 13:43 ProfessionalBox: gimme like 5-10min
2017-11-02 13:48 ProfessionalBox: oh no
2017-11-02 13:48 ProfessionalBox: might be another issue
2017-11-02 13:48 ProfessionalBox: wait no
2017-11-02 13:48 ProfessionalBox: its perfect
2017-11-02 13:48 ProfessionalBox: !!!!!!!!
2017-11-02 13:49 ProfessionalBox: fixed and updated


2017-11-01 17:48 Sinnoh: did u even check ai mod
2017-11-01 17:48 Sinnoh: 01:06:243 (1) - offscreen
2017-11-01 17:48 Sinnoh: 02:06:618 (1) - offscreen af
2017-11-01 17:49 Sinnoh: 02:13:180 (2) - ^
2017-11-01 17:49 ProfessionalBox: ai mod doesnt complain for me
2017-11-01 17:49 ProfessionalBox: is this like
2017-11-01 17:49 ProfessionalBox: 3rd party program
2017-11-01 17:49 Sinnoh: *modding assistant
2017-11-01 17:49 ProfessionalBox: yeah i dont have that
2017-11-01 17:49 ProfessionalBox: never used
2017-11-01 17:49 Sinnoh: wut
2017-11-01 17:50 Sinnoh: 03:04:555 (1) - timing point isn't snapped to the tail
2017-11-01 17:51 ProfessionalBox: fixed all so far
2017-11-01 17:51 ProfessionalBox: thanks for being my modding assistant
2017-11-01 17:52 Sinnoh: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1435452 tofubeats - CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix) [fanzhen's Extra]]
2017-11-01 17:52 Sinnoh: 02:12:618 (1) - offscreen
2017-11-01 17:52 Sinnoh: 02:03:430 (3) - unsnapped
2017-11-01 17:53 Sinnoh: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1435453 tofubeats - CANDYYYLAND feat. LIZ (Pa's Lam System Remix) [Plaubbes' Light Insane]]
2017-11-01 17:53 Sinnoh: 02:04:368 (3) - offscreen
2017-11-01 17:54 Sinnoh: 00:37:368 (2) - there are multiple green lines in many places
2017-11-01 17:55 Sinnoh: soft-hitwhistles 37, 39, 43, 45, 46, 50 are unused according to modding assistant, double check later
2017-11-01 17:55 Sinnoh: and map_credits.png
2017-11-01 17:55 Sinnoh: i don't trust modding assistant as much on sb stuff though
2017-11-01 17:56 Sinnoh: normal-hitclap4 is less than 100ms long
2017-11-01 17:56 ProfessionalBox: i dont like this modding assistant
2017-11-01 17:56 Sinnoh: you have two copies of the mp3 in the file
2017-11-01 17:57 Sinnoh: this would be popped to the moon and back without it lol
2017-11-01 17:57 Sinnoh: lots of stuff to fix, I need to go so catch later
2017-11-01 19:25 Sinnoh: add candyland and candy land to the tags
2017-11-01 19:28 ProfessionalBox: anything else?
2017-11-01 19:29 Sinnoh: uaa, dinner time lo
2017-11-01 19:30 ProfessionalBox: im playing league so np
2017-11-01 19:30 ProfessionalBox: pm when you're back
2017-11-01 19:30 Sinnoh: seems like there's still duplicate timing lines in plaubbes diff, and normal-hitnormal is unused
2017-11-01 19:58 Sinnoh: back
2017-11-01 20:08 ProfessionalBox: im here now
2017-11-01 20:08 Sinnoh: grantastic
2017-11-01 20:08 Sinnoh: how did i spell that so wrong
2017-11-01 20:08 Sinnoh: gratz fantastic
2017-11-01 20:10 Sinnoh: can you link me a part that uses normal-hitnormal
2017-11-01 20:10 Sinnoh: and were the timing points in plaubbe fixed?
2017-11-01 20:10 ProfessionalBox: i lost the log
2017-11-01 20:10 ProfessionalBox: timing point in plaubbe
2017-11-01 20:10 ProfessionalBox: also handsome did hitsounds so i have no clue
2017-11-01 20:11 Sinnoh: 00:37:368 (2) - this general area
2017-11-01 20:12 ProfessionalBox: uh
2017-11-01 20:13 ProfessionalBox: ok removed duplicate
2017-11-01 20:13 ProfessionalBox: but like I said I don't know where normal-hitnormal is used
2017-11-01 20:13 Sinnoh: i am looking rn
2017-11-01 20:13 ProfessionalBox: is there a problem with it?
2017-11-01 20:13 Sinnoh: if it's not there then it's an unused file
2017-11-01 20:14 ProfessionalBox: if the assistant doesn't complain then its probably there
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: 02:48:618 (1) -
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: here
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: o wait
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: sampleset normal
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: its s3
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: so no
2017-11-01 20:15 Sinnoh: did i say hitnormal
2017-11-01 20:15 Sinnoh: i'm retar
2017-11-01 20:15 ProfessionalBox: you did
2017-11-01 20:15 Sinnoh: i'm looking for normal-hitclap
2017-11-01 20:16 ProfessionalBox: oh
2017-11-01 20:16 ProfessionalBox: i dont think that's in here
2017-11-01 20:16 ProfessionalBox: cant remember hearing any claps
2017-11-01 20:16 Sinnoh: 03:00:430 (4) -
2017-11-01 20:16 Sinnoh: then again that might just be a hs error
2017-11-01 20:17 ProfessionalBox: ok its there
2017-11-01 20:17 ProfessionalBox: I trust that its intentional
2017-11-01 20:17 Sinnoh: but that's sampleset 4
2017-11-01 20:17 ProfessionalBox: sounds good to me
2017-11-01 20:17 ProfessionalBox: if its identical
2017-11-01 20:17 ProfessionalBox: yeah its not
2017-11-01 20:18 Sinnoh: 03:24:243 (1) - aha
2017-11-01 20:18 Sinnoh: ok, that's fine
2017-11-01 20:19 Sinnoh: o wait it's not
2017-11-01 20:19 Sinnoh: that's the soft sampleset
2017-11-01 20:19 Sinnoh: kek
2017-11-01 20:19 ProfessionalBox: XD
2017-11-01 20:19 ProfessionalBox: ok will delet
2017-11-01 20:19 ProfessionalBox: the storyboard file was unused btw I checkd it
2017-11-01 20:19 ProfessionalBox: so removed
2017-11-01 20:19 Sinnoh: ok
2017-11-01 20:20 Sinnoh: upload and i'll recheck
2017-11-01 20:22 ProfessionalBox: don
2017-11-01 20:24 Sinnoh: there are still 3 more duplicate timing lines on plaubbe's diff
2017-11-01 20:24 Sinnoh: all on 38
2017-11-01 20:25 ProfessionalBox: the diff doesn't wnat to give up
2017-11-01 20:26 ProfessionalBox: updatin
2017-11-01 20:26 Sinnoh: normal-hitclap4 is still under 100ms according to the program, did oyu fix it?
2017-11-01 20:26 Sinnoh: also add candyland candy land to tags
2017-11-01 20:26 ProfessionalBox: under 100ms
2017-11-01 20:26 ProfessionalBox: uh
2017-11-01 20:26 ProfessionalBox: what do you want me to do
2017-11-01 20:26 ProfessionalBox: add blank space in the end
2017-11-01 20:27 ProfessionalBox: or what
2017-11-01 20:27 Sinnoh: yup, iirc it's because osu has an issue playing a hitsoudn if it's too short
2017-11-01 20:27 ProfessionalBox: spaghetti code smh
2017-11-01 20:28 Sinnoh: on winber's hte program is telling me there's two objects at the same time at 00:23:868 (1,2) - which is a bit odd
2017-11-01 20:29 ProfessionalBox: its 110ms now
2017-11-01 20:30 Sinnoh: 00:23:868 (1) - get rid of hitsound on tail for winber
2017-11-01 20:30 ProfessionalBox: i did
2017-11-01 20:30 ProfessionalBox: I deleted the slider
2017-11-01 20:30 ProfessionalBox: and pasted a new one
2017-11-01 20:30 ProfessionalBox: just in case
2017-11-01 20:30 ProfessionalBox: will update again
2017-11-01 20:30 Sinnoh: idk if that slider should be 1/2 or 3/4
2017-11-01 20:31 ProfessionalBox: updated
2017-11-01 20:31 ProfessionalBox: hmm
2017-11-01 20:31 ProfessionalBox: 3/4 prob
2017-11-01 20:31 ProfessionalBox: check if you find anything else
2017-11-01 20:32 ProfessionalBox: if not then I will update with with 3/4
2017-11-01 20:32 ProfessionalBox: will add tags to new update
2017-11-01 20:33 ProfessionalBox: oh will add tochi to tags too
2017-11-01 20:33 ProfessionalBox: almost forgot
2017-11-01 20:33 ProfessionalBox: sb creator
2017-11-01 20:33 Sinnoh: 01:48:618 (1) - does this section have enough space between objects to not need the overlap thingy
2017-11-01 20:34 ProfessionalBox: what diff
2017-11-01 20:34 Sinnoh: winber
2017-11-01 20:34 Sinnoh: 02:24:618 (1) - too
2017-11-01 20:35 Sinnoh: 03:15:243 (6,1) - too
2017-11-01 20:36 Sinnoh: uh the overlaps aren't solved on nathan's diff
2017-11-01 20:36 Sinnoh: at all 02:00:618 (1) -
2017-11-01 20:37 ProfessionalBox: yeah im fixing them atm
2017-11-01 20:37 ProfessionalBox: forgot that nathan diff had the issue
2017-11-01 20:37 ProfessionalBox: and he is sleeping now so
2017-11-01 20:37 ProfessionalBox: i need to remove a meme from the diff aswell so gimme like 15min
2017-11-01 20:40 Sinnoh: o shit the rule actually makes fanzhen's diff a lot easier to read, I think I'd prefer it if it was kept as a rule tbh
2017-11-01 20:40 Sinnoh: 02:15:805 (3,3) - fanzhen, should these also have the sv
2017-11-01 20:41 Sinnoh: 02:18:571 (5,1,2,3) - LOL
2017-11-01 20:41 Sinnoh: XD
2017-11-01 20:41 Sinnoh: a fuk
2017-11-01 20:42 Sinnoh: it appeared like a tonne of objects were stacked together, ignore me pls
2017-11-01 20:45 ProfessionalBox: ok nathan diff fix now
2017-11-01 20:46 ProfessionalBox: ok fixed that thing
2017-11-01 20:46 ProfessionalBox: what diff is that second copy from?
2017-11-01 20:46 Sinnoh: ignore
2017-11-01 20:46 ProfessionalBox: oh ok
2017-11-01 20:46 ProfessionalBox: ok fixed that fanzhen thing
2017-11-01 20:46 ProfessionalBox: and nathan thing
2017-11-01 20:46 Sinnoh: if you applied that sv there's a couple other places
2017-11-01 20:46 Sinnoh: 02:21:805 (3) -
2017-11-01 20:47 Sinnoh: by a couple i meant one
2017-11-01 20:48 ProfessionalBox: yeah I've missed those stacks while looking through the diff
2017-11-01 20:48 ProfessionalBox: mb
2017-11-01 20:48 Sinnoh: also uh, what does the 40bpm do and the end
2017-11-01 20:49 ProfessionalBox: its there because of aimod complaining about uninherited timing points
2017-11-01 20:49 ProfessionalBox: not all diffs need it
2017-11-01 20:49 ProfessionalBox: but it basically lowers the sv
2017-11-01 20:50 ProfessionalBox: and I use 0.10x sv multiplier
2017-11-01 20:50 ProfessionalBox: for super slow last slider
2017-11-01 20:50 Sinnoh: i'm pretty sure that's not rankable
2017-11-01 20:50 ProfessionalBox: ok gimme 10minutes to fix it
2017-11-01 20:50 ProfessionalBox: sigh
2017-11-01 20:50 ProfessionalBox: so much fixing xd
2017-11-01 20:51 Sinnoh: on old bn tests they made it super clear that timing points should never be used to achieve a gimmick
2017-11-01 20:51 ProfessionalBox: its 0.01 sv now
2017-11-01 20:51 ProfessionalBox: but 160bpm
2017-11-01 20:51 ProfessionalBox: will that do?
2017-11-01 20:52 Sinnoh: rankable now :)
2017-11-01 20:52 ProfessionalBox: i kind of like the 0.01
2017-11-01 20:52 ProfessionalBox: lmao
2017-11-01 20:52 ProfessionalBox: it snapped perfectly
2017-11-01 20:52 ProfessionalBox: with my 0.10 from 40 bpm
2017-11-01 20:52 ProfessionalBox: looks like im math genious
2017-11-01 20:52 ProfessionalBox: because it was first try
2017-11-01 20:53 ProfessionalBox: wait
2017-11-01 20:53 ProfessionalBox: what
2017-11-01 20:54 ProfessionalBox: apparently im not
2017-11-01 20:54 Sinnoh: i don't think that works just based on the math?
2017-11-01 20:54 ProfessionalBox: 0.01 is way too fast
2017-11-01 20:54 ProfessionalBox: I need lower than 0.01
2017-11-01 20:54 Sinnoh: what was the old sv?
2017-11-01 20:54 ProfessionalBox: .
2017-11-01 20:54 ProfessionalBox: 0.10
2017-11-01 20:54 ProfessionalBox: on 40bpm
2017-11-01 20:54 Sinnoh: 160*?=4
2017-11-01 20:54 Sinnoh: no
2017-11-01 20:55 ProfessionalBox: I think its 4th root of 10
2017-11-01 20:55 ProfessionalBox: for the correct sv
2017-11-01 20:55 ProfessionalBox: or spaghetti code
2017-11-01 20:56 ProfessionalBox: 0.01 is simply put
2017-11-01 20:56 ProfessionalBox: way too fast
2017-11-01 20:56 ProfessionalBox: and I cant go lower
2017-11-01 20:57 Sinnoh: text edit
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: text edit is what achieves 0.01
2017-11-01 20:57 Sinnoh: hahawtf
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: 0.10 is lowest in editor
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: I guess I can
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: add more decimal
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: and see how close to 0 we can get
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: the game stops tracking the sv at 0.01 unless you get to 0.00
2017-11-01 20:57 ProfessionalBox: i think
2017-11-01 20:57 Sinnoh: editor uses more than two decimal points
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: WHAT
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: ok this game
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: im done
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: fuk
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: now its working again
2017-11-01 20:58 Sinnoh: did you not know
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: .......
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: I know it uses
2017-11-01 20:58 ProfessionalBox: but it doesnt show more than 2
2017-11-01 20:59 Sinnoh: you can snap sliders with bodies that go over red lines by changing the third digit over and over until it snap
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: ok now it shows as
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: 0.00
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: but still too fast
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: are you sure
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: this is rankable
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: sv 0.00
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2017-11-01 20:59 ProfessionalBox: https://puu.sh/ycgRv/bbb9d886f6.png
2017-11-01 20:59 Sinnoh: what you see =/= what it is lmao
2017-11-01 21:00 Sinnoh: lmfao
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: yeah i know
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: but
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: like
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: is there not a rule about
2017-11-01 21:00 Sinnoh: nope
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: "you cant have sv 0
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: "
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: XD
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: ok great
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: lets see if we can get to -0
2017-11-01 21:00 Sinnoh: no
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: but this is like
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: 2x too fast still
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: so need to go even slowe
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: r
2017-11-01 21:00 ProfessionalBox: getting aspire flashbacks here
2017-11-01 21:02 ProfessionalBox: I think I've achieved a point
2017-11-01 21:02 ProfessionalBox: where it doesnt go lower
2017-11-01 21:02 Sinnoh:
2017-11-01 21:04 ProfessionalBox: yeah
2017-11-01 21:04 ProfessionalBox: it doesnt go lower
2017-11-01 21:04 ProfessionalBox: too fast still
2017-11-01 21:04 ProfessionalBox: 2x too fast
2017-11-01 21:08 ProfessionalBox: well
2017-11-01 21:08 ProfessionalBox: I have an alternative here
2017-11-01 21:08 ProfessionalBox: it uses 0.00
2017-11-01 21:08 ProfessionalBox: but i really dont like it
2017-11-01 21:08 ProfessionalBox: I would much much prefer the old version
2017-11-01 21:13 ProfessionalBox: I'll ask oko if this could be a good enough reason to have another bpm in the map
2017-11-01 21:13 ProfessionalBox: the fact that 0.00 is too fast
winber1
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winber1
wHOA winber FIX STOP right THERe my dude
Est-
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banter
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banter
I feel like there are some spacing issues in the last two diffs regarding the streams at the end.

fanzhen's Extra
03:31:368 (5,6,7,8,9) - these hit circles are mapped on notes that have a stark difference to the rest of the stream but are mapped the same way. they should have similar spacing to the other streams like 03:24:993 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - for example. the same can be said for 03:32:868 (5,6,7,8,9) - and 03:34:368 (5,6,7,8,9) -

Sweet Surrender
03:25:743 (5,6,7,8) - these notes have the exact same spacing as 03:25:368 (1,2,3,4) - however are mapped on far less intense parts of the music. the change in flow isn't drastic enough to represent the music as done in the following streams

winber1's diff also has misrepresentations of music. at 02:45:618 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the music doesn't change in intensity and should have consistent spacing, however it's mapped as if there's a diminuendo.

03:22:462 (2,3,4,5,6) - this part of the music is less intense than 03:21:712 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - however it's mapped the same way. the same can be said here and the streams should have less distance between notes 03:19:462 (2,3,4,5,6) -
7ambda
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7ambda
i miss Wongline
Weber
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Weber

J_8579 wrote:

i miss Wongline
Xinnoh
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Xinnoh

J_8579 wrote:

i miss Wongline
Einja
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Einja
when you bubble but the other diffs still have the 40bpm
Xinnoh
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Xinnoh
forgot to check metadata 👏

You need to remove brackets from the title

- Unicode Title: CAND￥￥￥LAND feat LIZ - Pa's Lam System Remix
- Romanised Title: CANDYYYLAND feat LIZ - Pa's Lam System Remix
- Unicode Artist: tofubeats

- References:
+ http://www.tofubeats.com/firstalbumremixes/ - This one is mis-spelled lol
+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ZpcugfuzA - Romanised title
+ https://soundcloud.com/tofubeats/first- ... -streaming - No brackets here either

add kibbleru to the tags

Einja wrote:

when you bubble but the other diffs still have the 40bpm
update the whole set before modding

Seems like Banter has some good points that are well explained, would like to see a response to them
ProfessionalBox
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ProfessionalBox

banter wrote:

I feel like there are some spacing issues in the last two diffs regarding the streams at the end.

fanzhen's Extra fanzhen's decisions can be explained with calming down at 03:30:618 - point to build suspense to the very last stream of 03:35:774 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -


Sweet Surrender I am emphasizing the 2 most important and polar opposite sounds in the song here (03:25:368 - this and 03:26:118 - ) with my arrangement. This kind of going from 100 to 0 is very good to catch those 2 sounds with the added snap movement that the player has to do and you can really feel the impact of the snap because of the arrangement.


winber1's diff also has misrepresentations of music. at 02:45:618 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the music doesn't change in intensity and should have consistent spacing, however it's mapped as if there's a diminuendo. winber choose to approach this part without streams and his arrangement is built upon the same big distance snap movement at crucial parts like in the top diff

Fixed everything Sinnoh pointed out!
Xinnoh
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Xinnoh
repairing

PoNo
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PoNo
02:56:118 (3) -

02:56:493 (6) -

That two circles aren't stacked correctly, maybe its done on purpose. Just looks weird to me

https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/pOqHfLW.png
BoatKrab
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BoatKrab
I just see winber1's
02:06:993 (2) - There is Normal hs on its tail, but others are not

*no kds*
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ProfessionalBox
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ProfessionalBox

PoNo wrote:

02:56:118 (3) -

02:56:493 (6) -

That two circles aren't stacked correctly, maybe its done on purpose. Just looks weird to me

https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/pOqHfLW.png
its done on purpose to prevent a bigger stacking issue.


BoatKrab wrote:

I just see winber1's
02:06:993 (2) - There is Normal hs on its tail, but others are not

*no kds*
will fix during next mod, no need to pop for such a minor thing
PoNo
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PoNo

ProfessionalBox wrote:

PoNo wrote:

02:56:118 (3) -

02:56:493 (6) -

That two circles aren't stacked correctly, maybe its done on purpose. Just looks weird to me

https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/pOqHfLW.png
its done on purpose to prevent a bigger stacking issue.
Ok ! :p
banter
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banter

ProfessionalBox wrote:

banter wrote:

I feel like there are some spacing issues in the last two diffs regarding the streams at the end.

fanzhen's Extra fanzhen's decisions can be explained with calming down at 03:30:618 - point to build suspense to the very last stream of 03:35:774 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -


Sweet Surrender I am emphasizing the 2 most important and polar opposite sounds in the song here (03:25:368 - this and 03:26:118 - ) with my arrangement. This kind of going from 100 to 0 is very good to catch those 2 sounds with the added snap movement that the player has to do and you can really feel the impact of the snap because of the arrangement.


winber1's diff also has misrepresentations of music. at 02:45:618 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the music doesn't change in intensity and should have consistent spacing, however it's mapped as if there's a diminuendo. winber choose to approach this part without streams and his arrangement is built upon the same big distance snap movement at crucial parts like in the top diff

Fixed everything Sinnoh pointed out!
looking at the map I thought the same way. However I find it interesting to see where patterns are more important than representing the music 100% and where the limit can be drawn. Thanks for clearing it up!
Izzywing
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@probox could you remove the NC on 01:56:305 (1) - on our diff before this gets qualified
voynich
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voynich
sick map

storyboard
could go with a bit of background movement.like the bg should move as though there's a parallax shenanigans going on

Fanzhen's Extra
00:12:618 (1) - these sliders would be a bit nicer if the slider ends were silent.
00:23:118 (1,2,1,2) - should be gradually shrinking in slider velocity
00:33:618 (1,2,3) - instead of copying 00:30:618 (1,2,3) ,should this not copy 00:24:618 (1,2,3) ?it would make the section seem a lot more varied,especially since you use a different style every single iteration of the section anyways.
00:38:868 (3,4) - four short sliders instead of two 1/2 sliders might match the music a bit better.
00:45:618 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this should gradually shrink,but not like in my recommendation in sweet surrender.instead because the spacing is already kinda high in 00:44:868 (1,2,3,4) ,so it would only be fitting that it counter-acted on what 00:44:868 (1,2,3,4) did before it.
00:52:555 (2) - can be like 00:52:368 (1) before it.
01:01:743 (5) - should either be spaced a bit more or use a short slider to differentiate it from 01:01:368 (1,2,3,4) preceding it.
01:02:493 (1,2) - a long slider might do the trick better than two beats here.
01:04:368 (1) - would have interesting flow if ctrl+g'd
01:04:930 (3) - having an important sound so close to 01:04:649 (2) feels a bit odd.maybe change this
01:06:243 (1) - don't see why this needs an nc.
01:08:493 (1) - this can be two beats in the same stack as 01:08:305 (2,3) ,as this delivers the rhythm better and differentiates 01:08:586 (2,3,4) more.
01:10:368 (1) - seems a bit lazy.
01:39:149 - this sound goes unmapped
01:51:524 - pretty important sound here too unmapped
02:00:243 (4) - this can be 1/2 instead of 3/4
02:08:118 (3) - not sure how i feel about this being here
03:36:055 (1) - maybe nc here.

Sweet Surrender
00:22:555 (2,3,4) - would look pretty dope if 00:22:743 (3,4) were moved to overlap the peaks of the slider superseding it.though i can't make it look good for shit,you're like 10x more experienced than i am.
00:47:118 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - don't get why it's spacing more.it would be nicer if instead the stream was spacing less into the kiai.
00:49:836 (2) - why doesn't this overlap 00:49:836 (2) ? is it like flow or something and i'm just too stupid to notice
00:52:368 (3) - should be a slider.
00:55:368 (1,2,3,4) - would look bretty cool if 00:55:461 (2) and 00:55:649 (4) had ctrl+g on them and would go with the 'wub' more
00:56:305 (1,2,3) - a bit dangerous if this is getting ranked.the cross screen triples by rrtyui was already pushing it,this spits in its face.if it's not getting ranked than who cares disregard this.
00:59:305 (2,2) - having these replaced with straight sliders like pic related looks cool af (don't copy this though this is shit and wouldn't flow well with 00:59:868 (1,2) ):

01:00:618 (1) - maybe nicer as a slow slider instead
01:04:649 (2) - there's an important sound on the tail of this slider.not sure if you wanna shorten the slider and add a beat next to 01:04:930 (3) or something but it should at least be notable.like maybe a little hook on the end of the slider to show there's an important sound around there (again don't copy line for line any shit i do).

actually,this map has a lot of problems with putting slider ends on important sounds.not sure if you wanna clear those up or that would take too long and be too tedious.
01:05:305 (1,2) - a bit overmapped. 01:05:305 (1) shouldn't exist.
01:10:555 (1) - shouldn't this be linked with 01:10:180 (1,2) before it?like take out the nc and put it on 01:10:743 (2) ,move it closer towards 01:10:368 (2) or something,just make it not a part of 01:10:555 (1,2) .
01:26:118 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - a bit overmapped.just stress the beat on 01:26:118 (1,3,1) and you're good.
01:29:118 (1,2,1,2) - this might be cooler if it was like a horizontal version of 01:27:618 (1,2,1,2,1,2) .
01:57:618 (1) - why can't the spinner start here?
02:05:493 (2) - this should be a bit shorter so that it ends on the blue tick before 02:05:868 (1) .like use a smaller slider velocity there.
02:11:774 (1) - maybe make this like 02:11:493 (1) .
02:12:055 (1) - move the nc from here to 02:12:243 (2) .
02:24:618 (2) - there's no nc here?
02:35:868 (1,2,3,4) - this can just be a normal stream
02:36:993 (5,1,2) - these can be like two short sliders and the nc can start on 02:37:368 (3) instead.
02:39:993 (5,1,2) - same dealio here.
02:54:805 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - i think this is overmapped a bit.
03:04:368 (3) - this could be a short slider unless you wanted to follow 03:03:805 (1,2,3) before it.
03:06:618 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - needs a bit of cleaning.especially since 03:07:086 goes unmapped.
03:12:618 (4) - feels weird not having that be an nc
03:15:618 (4) - then again,if it's a pattern,i guess it's fine

bretty good map probox
liking how it's coming along.sweet surrender feels like it's trying too hard to be technical though,so work on getting that stigma off.
hope to see this with a leaderboard some day! good luck :)
jas
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probox = dad
rawrneru
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rawrneru
i really hate and love sweet surrender pls stop
Weedy
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Weedy
since modding v2 is coming here's a free 40kds courtesy of mine truly
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Weedy
look at me it's +72 sp now poggers
Anosan
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Anosan
Map of the year 2017 8-)
Kaifin
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Kaifin
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02:04:836 (1) - think this would be cooler if it was just a circle, since there is no vocal here and you presumably are using the 1/8 sliders because of the vocal on 02:04:555 (1) -, also later you decide to use an extended slider here instead of mapping this note at 02:07:649 (1) - so is there a reason for that inconsistency? can't tell if the sound changes but it sounds the exact same to me

02:04:930 (1) - accidental lower volume? it sounds really weird, would bump it up to 60 cause it makes it sound like a missed sampleset

02:07:555 (2) - should be a 1/8 slider for consistency with 02:04:555 -

02:08:680 (2) - why map this note when you dont map it at any of the gaps like 02:02:680 - or 02:05:680 - where it's just as strong? if you insist on mapping this note please make it a 1/4 slider because 02:08:680 (2,1) - this sort of spacing/structure really reads as a 1/4 gap not a 1/2 one

02:12:055 (1,2) - if these sliders were a bit slower sv then 02:12:430 (1) - would be a lot more emphasized, since there are no real huge emphasized sounds on these notes when compared to 02:12:430 (1) - i dont get why they need to be so fast

that whole section is also literally unplayable in comparison to the rest of the map, which sucks because the map is quite enjoyable

02:12:711 - this part is REALLY good to play though this is super nice

02:52:180 (1,2,3) - might want to make these a touch slower, really small window for the slider ends + it would read a little better since they're straight making them long af and can look like 1/4: just a minor thing though

03:12:993 - making 03:13:930 - clickable as seen in this screenshot would follow the song a lot better and be more intuitive, i don't think its very clear in this section to the player what you're following in relation to the song, especially since you make it clickable 03:14:680 - it just makes sense
SPOILER

applies to the whole section including stuff like 03:16:743 (1,2,1,2) - where i really have no clue whats goin on in terms of why these are clickable

nice map, just wanted to throw in my opinion before qualify
ProfessionalBox
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Kaifin wrote:

top diff

that whole section is also literally unplayable in comparison to the rest of the map, which sucks because the map is quite enjoyable

02:12:711 - this part is REALLY good to play though this is super nice
uhh, ok. Just saying that the part which is in your opinion "super nice" and "really good to play" is the part which most people have to just spam to get through while my "unplayable section" isn't giving much trouble other than hitting all the slidertails. I don't know what to take away from this since it doesn't make any sense to me in the sense that my part is unplayble compared to the one after which is really good to play while in truth both are crazy, will reply with fixes/no fixes later if I ever find another nominator.
Kaifin
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Kaifin

ProfessionalBox wrote:

uhh, ok. Just saying that the part which is in your opinion "super nice" and "really good to play" is the part which most people have to just spam to get through while my "unplayable section" isn't giving much trouble other than hitting all the slidertails. I don't know what to take away from this since it doesn't make any sense to me in the sense that my part is unplayble compared to the one after which is really good to play while in truth both are crazy, will reply with fixes/no fixes later if I ever find another nominator.

i wasn't referring to the difficulty of either section: handsome's section is without a doubt the hardest section of the map by far, but it's fair difficulty

i don't find your section to be fair, unique or challenging like that section is, instead it's just unplayable 4.0x sliders with bad flow with no consistency or logic

it looks really pretty, but it's not fun to play for me

the kind of player who can fc this map/play this map well can reasonably play handsome's section because it's very very very well mapped (in my opinion), but i'm not sure if i could say the same about your segment which really feels sloppy in comparison to the rest of your parts in this map

to restate again: i like this map a lot, and it's just my opinion about it, i didn't mean to come off badly or for you to read into what i said more than it just being my opinion

that being said, i don't think its fair to use "most people just spam to get through handsome's section anyways" as an excuse to make things play badly/unreasonably uncomfortably in your section.. if you can hit all the parts in handsome's section, it's comfortable and makes sense, where as if you can follow all the sliders in your section to their end and SS it, it feels awful to play

that was the point i was trying to get across, sorry for not elaborating more
ProfessionalBox
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Kaifin wrote:

that being said, i don't think its fair to use "most people just spam to get through handsome's section anyways" as an excuse to make things play badly/unreasonably uncomfortably in your section..
When did I ever use it as an excuse? You are the one who is saying the part plays bad whereas I think it has no issues flowwise, whether you follow the sliders to their ends fully or cheat on them, in either case the flow of them is practically flawless, the speed is what might and will throw you off on this. If I thought it was badly mapped / unplayable do you really think I wouldn't have changed it as the mapper of the section? Since I feel like my part has no issues flowwise your comment naturally came off to me as relatively aggressive saying that it was simply put "unplayable" compared to the part which I have seen giving much more trouble to almost every player...

Thanks for clarification on your comment though because without you elaborating on your intentions you came off in quite a bad way to me and it was probably seen in the way I responded. Anyways like I said earlier, will see if I fix something or not later but in any case thanks for the input! :)
MISAMISA
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Just throw all my kudos here I love this map </3 OwO
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plz rate it :) :)
FabOmega22
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Sick map. Cute and very fast. I suggest to lower AR tho. :oops:
ProfessionalBox
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-Nishiki- wrote:

sick map

storyboard

could go with a bit of background movement.like the bg should move as though there's a parallax shenanigans going on I ordered it like this,
very minimalistic.

Fanzhen's Extra
00:12:618 (1) - these sliders would be a bit nicer if the slider ends were silent. agree
00:23:118 (1,2,1,2) - should be gradually shrinking in slider velocity no need
00:33:618 (1,2,3) - instead of copying 00:30:618 (1,2,3) ,should this not copy 00:24:618 (1,2,3) ?it would make the section seem a lot more varied,especially since you use a different style every single iteration of the section anyways. I think it's good variety like this, every single one of these doesn't need to be the same [/color]
00:38:868 (3,4) - four short sliders instead of two 1/2 sliders might match the music a bit better. Buildup like this creates more suspense on the next part so it is fine to have like this.
00:45:618 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this should gradually shrink,but not like in my recommendation in sweet surrender.instead because the spacing is already kinda high in 00:44:868 (1,2,3,4) ,so it would only be fitting that it counter-acted on what 00:44:868 (1,2,3,4) did before it. yeah this shouldn't shrink in the first place imo, current way is fine
00:52:555 (2) - can be like 00:52:368 (1) before it. 2 different sounds so he didn't want 2 same sliders
01:01:743 (5) - should either be spaced a bit more or use a short slider to differentiate it from 01:01:368 (1,2,3,4) preceding it. No need to increase spacing as this is up to interpretation and fanzhen used this spacing consistently in the drop
01:02:493 (1,2) - a long slider might do the trick better than two beats here. I'd say this is preference again, I like the 2 circles myself
01:04:368 (1) - would have interesting flow if ctrl+g'd Interesting doesn't always mean better :^)
01:04:930 (3) - having an important sound so close to 01:04:649 (2) feels a bit odd.maybe change this it builds a triangle with 01:04:368 (1,2,3) - so hence this placement is a must
01:06:243 (1) - don't see why this needs an nc. NC supports reading here imo. Also having no followpoint from the center is more aesthetic
01:08:493 (1) - this can be two beats in the same stack as 01:08:305 (2,3) ,as this delivers the rhythm better and differentiates 01:08:586 (2,3,4) more. This puts emphasis on the very fast 1/8 slider to have them arranged like this seperately from the stack in addition to looking better and completing the pattern
01:10:368 (1) - seems a bit lazy. fanzhen didn't use spacing increase streams in the section at all so this doesn't suddenly call for one either imo. Also since the kiai already climaxed this is tehcnically a cooldown anyways so it should be easier than the parts before
01:39:149 - this sound goes unmapped Follows synth so not having the drum here is understandable (takes away from the synth to have a circle on the drum)
01:51:524 - pretty important sound here too unmapped added a circle
02:00:243 (4) - this can be 1/2 instead of 3/4 Current way emphasises the first object of the kiai much better, the faster snap motion created by the extra length is very essential
02:08:118 (3) - not sure how i feel about this being here I feel its fine
03:36:055 (1) - maybe nc here. This was an obvious design choice so not gonna touch

Sweet Surrender
00:22:555 (2,3,4) - would look pretty dope if 00:22:743 (3,4) were moved to overlap the peaks of the slider superseding it.though i can't make it look good for shit,you're like 10x more experienced than i am. eh? Not sure what you mean but the current way is just fine.
00:47:118 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - don't get why it's spacing more.it would be nicer if instead the stream was spacing less into the kiai. This should obviously be spacing increase in my opinion, no intention at all to change it.
00:49:836 (2) - why doesn't this overlap 00:49:836 (2) ? is it like flow or something and i'm just too stupid to notice 00:49:743 (1,2,3) - triangle pattern, also helps reading
00:52:368 (3) - should be a slider. 00:52:618 (1) - nope because of this starting at a very unique time. Also 2 distinct sounds so one should be circle one slider
00:55:368 (1,2,3,4) - would look bretty cool if 00:55:461 (2) and 00:55:649 (4) had ctrl+g on them and would go with the 'wub' more Current way is aes and good, no need to change
00:56:305 (1,2,3) - a bit dangerous if this is getting ranked.the cross screen triples by rrtyui was already pushing it,this spits in its face.if it's not getting ranked than who cares disregard this. 160bpm = all the difference in the world
00:59:305 (2,2) - having these replaced with straight sliders like pic related looks cool af (don't copy this though this is shit and wouldn't flow well with 00:59:868 (1,2) The movement is more fun without sliders. Also the vocal sound is very short on these timestamps so therefore simple circle is better in terms of following music too
01:00:618 (1) - maybe nicer as a slow slider instead Following the "unwind" sound which is rapidly repeating
01:04:649 (2) - there's an important sound on the tail of this slider.not sure if you wanna shorten the slider and add a beat next to 01:04:930 (3) or something but it should at least be notable.like maybe a little hook on the end of the slider to show there's an important sound around there (again don't copy line for line any shit i do). So many sounds happening at one time that I chose to follow the ones I found most necessary. Here I'm following the the "yea" sounds.
01:05:305 (1,2) - a bit overmapped. 01:05:305 (1) shouldn't exist. For such a cluttered section I feel like this bit of overmap is just fine.
It feels more natural than not having anything there thats for sure
01:10:555 (1) - shouldn't this be linked with 01:10:180 (1,2) before it?like take out the nc and put it on 01:10:743 (2) ,move it closer towards 01:10:368 (2) or something,just make it not a part of 01:10:555 (1,2) . 01:09:899 (2,1,2) - structure
01:26:118 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - a bit overmapped.just stress the beat on 01:26:118 (1,3,1) and you're good. Mapped to vocals + the lead melody as I find this the most appropriate (not landing a circle on a vocal would feel weird)
01:29:118 (1,2,1,2) - this might be cooler if it was like a horizontal version of 01:27:618 (1,2,1,2,1,2) . I did something else here, its the exact same version as I think it fits nicely!
01:57:618 (1) - why can't the spinner start here? 95% of this difficulty maps map the first sound of a measure before putting a spinner afterwards. It feels more natural to click on this very important sound and spin afterwards rather than just start spinning on it right away
02:05:493 (2) - this should be a bit shorter so that it ends on the blue tick before 02:05:868 (1) .like use a smaller slider velocity there. Exact same sound as the one before so its the same like it should be
02:11:774 (1) - maybe make this like 02:11:493 (1) . Slowdown slider fits here perfectly
02:12:055 (1) - move the nc from here to 02:12:243 (2) . NC here indicates difference in slider velocity relative to last object
02:24:618 (2) - there's no nc here? Not having NC here is because of the pattern being built on 1-2 pairing jumps
02:35:868 (1,2,3,4) - this can just be a normal stream I think this catches what is going on better
02:36:993 (5,1,2) - these can be like two short sliders and the nc can start on 02:37:368 (3) instead. I don't see any issues with my current way
02:39:993 (5,1,2) - same dealio here. ^
02:54:805 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - i think this is overmapped a bit. drums
03:04:368 (3) - this could be a short slider unless you wanted to follow 03:03:805 (1,2,3) before it. Consistent with previous pattern and the gap in music is supported by this being a circle
03:06:618 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - needs a bit of cleaning.especially since 03:07:086 goes unmapped. Following synth
03:12:618 (4) - feels weird not having that be an nc Next object has nc, no need to have 2 in a row
03:15:618 (4) - then again,if it's a pattern,i guess it's fine presicely!

bretty good map probox
liking how it's coming along.sweet surrender feels like it's trying too hard to be technical though,so work on getting that stigma off.
hope to see this with a leaderboard some day! good luck :)
Thanks for mod!
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Sweet Surrender
00:09:618 (1) - doesn't this go offscreen? It looks like it does
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Vacuous wrote:

Sweet Surrender
00:09:618 (1) - doesn't this go offscreen? It looks like it does
No, this is onscreen on both 4:3 and 16:9 resolutions. (the only ones that matter)
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