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Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>This sounds very promising.Though, the reason why QATs stopped disqualifying maps on their own was mainly the will of peppy himself, so I don't see this change reverting unless you can actually convince him.Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Monstrata wrote:<\/h4>If the QAT became more transparent then it would be good to at least have BN insight. This is a fault of the QAT's not being transparent enough imo, not a fault of us \"not being qualified to vote for QAT's\". Mappers may not know what BN's are doing internally, but there are methods to finding out, and what BN's are doing are not nearly as secretive as what QAT's are doing in any regard. As well, we can also comment on the actions of QAT's based on what we know, or what they have been doing on the public-facing front.For example, we know pishifat does a lot of videos and gives a lot of insight into mapping theory. We also know he qualifies a bunch of maps, sometimes with minimal modding if any (and I'm sure there are people who've come to question these \"yolo ranks\"), we also know he participates in or had participated in BN test creation and that he is involved in helping with the Ranking Criteria changes.I've always questioned why QAT's needed to be so secretive in the first place. Why weren't BN test answers released? People can learn from them, especially the Part A answers (considering they are not private information as anyone who participated in the BN Test received the answer sheet).So no, I disagree with Desp, I think BN's should be able to vote, but I believe they should also be given a better insight into the behind-the-scenes actions of QAT's. We shouldn't be barred from voting just because \"we don't know\".<\/blockquote>Kinda agree with both here, as it is I don't think BNs should be weighing in on who a QAT team leader would be, but it's certainly true that there needs to be a lot more transparency or at least clarity on the part of the QAT.MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Agree with the others ( Werbee and Kisses )<\/blockquote>MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Werbee<\/blockquote><\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 705 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-27T23:47:01+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n http:\/\/puu.sh\/dAPKB.mp3<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 793 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined March 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:32:48+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.<\/blockquote>'Successful qualifications' need to go. There's only so many maps that deserve to be qualified, so when those maps get qualified, what maps are the bns going to look at? They might resort to qualifying unfitting maps. Qualtiy is a subjective term, but Modding activity is more accurate because mods can be analyzed for proper reasoning despite how much of the mod was applied, so I think this should be kept. One form of activity I'd like to add is participation in events. As in, bns who become judges of tournaments receive 'extra credit' for example.Second, it's about the bn awards. I'm glad the staff have noticed motivation as an issue, but I still question it's effectiveness.I feel bns & qat should be paid for their activity. Whether it be actual money or osu supporter, they need some form of consistent payment. A tag is cool, but then what's after that? Having a monthly payment or award would encourage them to stay active. The bns do work that a game developer would make money off of, so I think this is where they lose motivation.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n Elite Mapper\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,950 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined April 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:33:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
Monstrata wrote:<\/h4>If the QAT became more transparent then it would be good to at least have BN insight. This is a fault of the QAT's not being transparent enough imo, not a fault of us \"not being qualified to vote for QAT's\". Mappers may not know what BN's are doing internally, but there are methods to finding out, and what BN's are doing are not nearly as secretive as what QAT's are doing in any regard. As well, we can also comment on the actions of QAT's based on what we know, or what they have been doing on the public-facing front.For example, we know pishifat does a lot of videos and gives a lot of insight into mapping theory. We also know he qualifies a bunch of maps, sometimes with minimal modding if any (and I'm sure there are people who've come to question these \"yolo ranks\"), we also know he participates in or had participated in BN test creation and that he is involved in helping with the Ranking Criteria changes.I've always questioned why QAT's needed to be so secretive in the first place. Why weren't BN test answers released? People can learn from them, especially the Part A answers (considering they are not private information as anyone who participated in the BN Test received the answer sheet).So no, I disagree with Desp, I think BN's should be able to vote, but I believe they should also be given a better insight into the behind-the-scenes actions of QAT's. We shouldn't be barred from voting just because \"we don't know\".<\/blockquote>Kinda agree with both here, as it is I don't think BNs should be weighing in on who a QAT team leader would be, but it's certainly true that there needs to be a lot more transparency or at least clarity on the part of the QAT.MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Agree with the others ( Werbee and Kisses )<\/blockquote>MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Werbee<\/blockquote><\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 705 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-27T23:47:01+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n http:\/\/puu.sh\/dAPKB.mp3<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 793 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined March 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:32:48+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.<\/blockquote>'Successful qualifications' need to go. There's only so many maps that deserve to be qualified, so when those maps get qualified, what maps are the bns going to look at? They might resort to qualifying unfitting maps. Qualtiy is a subjective term, but Modding activity is more accurate because mods can be analyzed for proper reasoning despite how much of the mod was applied, so I think this should be kept. One form of activity I'd like to add is participation in events. As in, bns who become judges of tournaments receive 'extra credit' for example.Second, it's about the bn awards. I'm glad the staff have noticed motivation as an issue, but I still question it's effectiveness.I feel bns & qat should be paid for their activity. Whether it be actual money or osu supporter, they need some form of consistent payment. A tag is cool, but then what's after that? Having a monthly payment or award would encourage them to stay active. The bns do work that a game developer would make money off of, so I think this is where they lose motivation.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n Elite Mapper\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,950 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined April 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:33:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Agree with the others ( Werbee and Kisses )<\/blockquote>MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Werbee<\/blockquote><\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 705 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-27T23:47:01+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n http:\/\/puu.sh\/dAPKB.mp3<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 793 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined March 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:32:48+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.<\/blockquote>'Successful qualifications' need to go. There's only so many maps that deserve to be qualified, so when those maps get qualified, what maps are the bns going to look at? They might resort to qualifying unfitting maps. Qualtiy is a subjective term, but Modding activity is more accurate because mods can be analyzed for proper reasoning despite how much of the mod was applied, so I think this should be kept. One form of activity I'd like to add is participation in events. As in, bns who become judges of tournaments receive 'extra credit' for example.Second, it's about the bn awards. I'm glad the staff have noticed motivation as an issue, but I still question it's effectiveness.I feel bns & qat should be paid for their activity. Whether it be actual money or osu supporter, they need some form of consistent payment. A tag is cool, but then what's after that? Having a monthly payment or award would encourage them to stay active. The bns do work that a game developer would make money off of, so I think this is where they lose motivation.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n Elite Mapper\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,950 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined April 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:33:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
MashaSG wrote:<\/h4>Werbee<\/blockquote><\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 705 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Litharrale<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-27T23:47:01+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n http:\/\/puu.sh\/dAPKB.mp3<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 793 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined March 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:32:48+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.<\/blockquote>'Successful qualifications' need to go. There's only so many maps that deserve to be qualified, so when those maps get qualified, what maps are the bns going to look at? They might resort to qualifying unfitting maps. Qualtiy is a subjective term, but Modding activity is more accurate because mods can be analyzed for proper reasoning despite how much of the mod was applied, so I think this should be kept. One form of activity I'd like to add is participation in events. As in, bns who become judges of tournaments receive 'extra credit' for example.Second, it's about the bn awards. I'm glad the staff have noticed motivation as an issue, but I still question it's effectiveness.I feel bns & qat should be paid for their activity. Whether it be actual money or osu supporter, they need some form of consistent payment. A tag is cool, but then what's after that? Having a monthly payment or award would encourage them to stay active. The bns do work that a game developer would make money off of, so I think this is where they lose motivation.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n Elite Mapper\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,950 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined April 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:33:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n http:\/\/puu.sh\/dAPKB.mp3<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 793 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined March 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Hollow Delta<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:32:48+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.<\/blockquote>'Successful qualifications' need to go. There's only so many maps that deserve to be qualified, so when those maps get qualified, what maps are the bns going to look at? They might resort to qualifying unfitting maps. Qualtiy is a subjective term, but Modding activity is more accurate because mods can be analyzed for proper reasoning despite how much of the mod was applied, so I think this should be kept. One form of activity I'd like to add is participation in events. As in, bns who become judges of tournaments receive 'extra credit' for example.Second, it's about the bn awards. I'm glad the staff have noticed motivation as an issue, but I still question it's effectiveness.I feel bns & qat should be paid for their activity. Whether it be actual money or osu supporter, they need some form of consistent payment. A tag is cool, but then what's after that? Having a monthly payment or award would encourage them to stay active. The bns do work that a game developer would make money off of, so I think this is where they lose motivation.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n Elite Mapper\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,950 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined April 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:33:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.<\/blockquote>'Successful qualifications' need to go. There's only so many maps that deserve to be qualified, so when those maps get qualified, what maps are the bns going to look at? They might resort to qualifying unfitting maps. Qualtiy is a subjective term, but Modding activity is more accurate because mods can be analyzed for proper reasoning despite how much of the mod was applied, so I think this should be kept. One form of activity I'd like to add is participation in events. As in, bns who become judges of tournaments receive 'extra credit' for example.Second, it's about the bn awards. I'm glad the staff have noticed motivation as an issue, but I still question it's effectiveness.I feel bns & qat should be paid for their activity. Whether it be actual money or osu supporter, they need some form of consistent payment. A tag is cool, but then what's after that? Having a monthly payment or award would encourage them to stay active. The bns do work that a game developer would make money off of, so I think this is where they lose motivation.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n Elite Mapper\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,950 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined April 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Xinnoh<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:33:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
Litharrale wrote:<\/h4>Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
Absolute Zero wrote:<\/h4>I'd also like to ask (Nifty sniped me) about how exactly non-standard gamemodes will be handled, especially concerning the \"Elite Nominator\" title. There's a large chance that the other modes will naturally fall behind due to mapper\/modder count and activity. Personally, it might be nice to separate standard from osu!catch, osu!mania, and osu!taiko--like how we treat BN applications now. This would create two (possibly) evenly matched groups of people with a \"fairer playing ground\". Also, with two elite nominators, we avoid the \"this mode is easier because it has x<\/em> BNs\". Of course, if this has already been considered, feel free to ignore this comment.<\/blockquote>To expand on this idea,I don't think putting standard in one group and the other modes in another group is a good idea because while they are all less active than standard, they aren't as active as one another, not even close iirc.My suggestion<\/strong> is to have each mode receive their own elite nominator but at different intervals than standard. So if Standard is every 6 months, mania could be every 10 months. Taiko every year and CTB ever 14 months as an example. These time scales might seem long and they might be but it's just an example. This is the best way I can think of doing this without having the modes directly compete against one another. Possible issues: It requires BNs to be active for a longer period of time in less active modes to receive a title (but the trade off is less competition) Hybrid BNs get shafted<\/blockquote>this doesn't workat allmonstrata bubbled 6-7 sets yesterdaythe most active ctb bns may icon 6-7 sets per month (usually less)no matter what time scale is used, different modes can't be compared at any level because of the sheer difference in amount of mapselite nominator needs to be mode exclusive or any non-std bns will have literally no chance at the title<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,693 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Joined August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ErunamoJAZZ<\/a>\n\n \n 2017-08-28T00:37:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a
Desperate-kun wrote:<\/h4>Also, I don't see the need for BNs to take part in the voting of a QAT leader - Simply because the BNs will never have the full insight on what each QAT is doing and how well they are doing it, it's going to be more of a popularity contest than anything.<\/blockquote>Well, in any social environment, popularity is a strong value, even for good as for evil, I think that before hinder BN vote for QAT leader, let's try it, and if this does not work (as did not work in 2014 with newBATs), then it will be limited to elite nominators or so... ---------I'm only worry about Beatmap Nominator rewards.The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the \"Elite Nominator\" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.<\/em><\/div>It is really cool and I'm very happy that BNs finally get recognition for their hard work! but...If the measure to get the \"Elite Nominator\" title is only how many mods they did, this will be abused. I mean, some maps are more easy to mod (like short songs), so think in a way to avoid an eventual abuse is something that worry me :SI want to the most helpful and nice BNs to get the Elite Nominator title, but not to the lazy who made the minimum to get a