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Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2018-02-10T19:35:20+00:00

Will mod after Lasse's stuff gets applied,

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-02-10T20:06:09+00:00

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Bastionior

560 posts

Joined January 2013

Bastionior 2018-02-11T11:18:41+00:00

Lasse wrote:
kalindraz
00:57:826 (1,2,3) - this just looks really unpolished... fixed, i increased the scale of pattern by 1,1 i guess this remove that unpolished vision oo also i applied your suggestion here too 02:38:165 (1,2,3) - fixed!
01:18:165 (1) - ?_? you could do something like https://i.imgur.com/EClZG7b.jpg to make it actually look decent sure, fixed!
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Thanks Lasse!

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Hollow Wings

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Hollow Wings 2018-02-11T12:56:06+00:00

Lasse wrote:
as requested had koiyuki's premission to check his mods.

exex
i don't think the custom break snaps https://i.imgur.com/hPjL3HL.jpg are intended? yeah, the break snaps are just in default setting, and i think it don't need some special changes on purpose.
I don't have anything else to say after playing it a few times, the hitwindows and overall gameplay might be harsh due to certain game mechanics (like hitwindows on buzz sliders) but it's really enjoyable to play and represents the song well i'm glad that you enjoyed.
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yuki
I might have gotten too used to fast repeats from checking top diff, but your 1/4 repeats like 01:19:521 (1) -01:24:944 (1) - and similar feel rly underwhelming, I think 1/8 would be much nicer
also would differentiate them better from different sounding 01:23:588 (1) - the purpose to yuki's repeating sliders is more like on the general consideration of mapset and the map's difficulty itself. moecho's ex is more like a true 2nd most difficult diff with it's 1/8 repeating sliders, and in that case with cs7 for this map, he wanna restrict the difficulty to fill the blank between moecho's and kalindraz's ex(←much more easier one). so i think those 1/4 can be kept and the diff itself will still keep its difficulty.
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should be fine to nominate if things get addressed properly

p.s. moecho's feedback:

SPOILER

Lasse wrote:
as requested

moecho
think this plays way nicer with ar lowered to ~9.3
ok
the stoyboarded mp3 hitsounds are just really weird, it starts sounding really messy combined with the wub hitsounds...
in a form of discussion HW and as conclusion to too much controversy about it, I have decided to switch the wub kiai sb hitsounding to regular hitsounding with obj feedback, reduced amount of additional rhythm of the second repeat melody.
00:37:317 (4,5,1) - these things are just really queastionable, the 1/4 jump itself feels rly out of place and then paired with weird readability spikes, they actually felt like the hardest parts of the map to me, which doesn't make much sense. 00:39:351 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - these work better at least without the 1/4 jump
00:44:097 (1,2,1) - same thing
also repeats afor the part at 02:14:944 (4,5,1) -
as for the 1/4 jump, I must say it's rather just that you're not as strong yet as a player to handle them... the map is designed like this, the 1/16 repeats are tricky to hold combo as well. Let me explain the jump here, as it is strong sound. 00:34:436 (3,4,1) - note the ds change here is emphasizing the crash and kick from the song, with combination of adding finish-hitsound. 00:35:792 (3,4,1) - here is also a ds change, but this time the song doesn't have crash and it's emphasized as kick-hitsound, which is lower ds, makes sense right? next, 00:37:148 (3,4,5,1) - same here, this is also the same kick as before, but this time the ds comparing to the 1/2 rhythm ds is basically same.
There is no reason to design something absurdly inconsistent, this isn't inconsistent, and plays as it should and makes sense. If you can't hit them consistently then it might be an issue in your aim/reading as a player.

nc spam in the kiais is starting to feel pretty absurd like 00:57:656 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - ?? things like 01:03:249 (1,1) - and similar could easily be grouped together i think
adjusted some NCs in the kiais so that it would be less of a spam, the obvious sv changes are questionable whether I should un-nc, because it would kinda feel bad to not be able to predict that there's a change in sv while playing...

02:22:571 (1) - 1/4 jump thing feels really unsupported again, not like it being as sliderstream makes it any easier.. why not just stack on 02:21:978 (2) - or center it (should still be readable enough imo)
it's a new sound, would not make any sense at all to stack on 02:21:978 (2) - , and yet again, the 1/4 jump distance isn't big enough to be a problem. I have added a hitsound to emphasize this change. object position remain the same.

check your hs files for delay, if don't feel like doing it for so many that could possibly have unrankable delay right now:
https://i.imgur.com/PXmU2ye.jpg
(I'll go over them after reply to confirm)
I remember checking them before, but to be sure I rechecked them now in Audacity, there is no problem with these, it's just the modding assistance program's false positives

should be fine to nominate if things get addressed properly

fanzhen0019

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fanzhen0019 2018-02-11T13:10:02+00:00

Lasse wrote:
fanzhen
00:33:758 (2) - rhythm? song switches emphasis to red tick so this feel really weird. maybe something like https://i.imgur.com/IH9oxCA.jpg ?
or hitsound it similar to 00:39:182 (2) - where it feels much more fitting
not against this single point, but somehow i think caring kick emphasis too much is a limitation to choosing rhythms.

00:51:894 (6,7,8,1,1) - check this with stacking enabled/ingame https://i.imgur.com/7Wn9Ypv.jpg also no idea why 00:52:233 (8,1,1) - is nc'd so weird, just nc start or end of the triple?
00:53:249 (6,7,8,1,1) - same for both points^
fixed

00:54:944 (1,1,1) - ending of this stream also gets broken by autostacking https://streamable.com/hqpyf fixed
00:57:826 (1,1,1,1) -01:00:538 (1,1,1,1) - etc. nc spam makes no real sense to me, it's just a group of 4 wubs... i'll take them into groups

01:02:741 (2,4,5,1) - yea just enable stacking and go over the map again I guess, these things are so tilting :/ done

01:09:521 (1,2,3) - pretty sure these are unrankable lol. someathing like https://i.imgur.com/RfA0u36.jpg should be acceptable though fixed
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thanks!

Lasse

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Lasse 2018-02-11T14:08:27+00:00

make sure all of these are actually used somewhere or delete them

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@moecho: don't give me the stupid "get good" argument, thanks.
that's an easy way to get people to just walk away from your map, which I would've done if it wasn't just a gd that I don't really care about
the point wasn't the patterns being too difficulty (they are fine) but being too difficult for this part in perspective of the whole map

it's better now due to ar 9.3 but some of them still feel a bit nonsensical to me
like 00:37:317 (4,5,1) - 00:41:385 (1,2,1) - is bascially the same thing but one is way more difficult, you don't need 1/4 jumps here for "emphasis", the last note of a triple inherently stands out the most anyway??

also comparing the difficulty to the 1/16 repeats is absurd, they are actually really easy to fc since the sv doesn't require you to move away from the head (unlike on top diff)
they are also in a way more intense part, where higher difficulty makes sense

the nc spam still makes no sense to me, how are nc supposed to help read sv changes, even more so if you have them on basically every object anways and also spam nc things without sv changes like 01:03:927 (1,1,1) - ...
the sv changes in the kiai all seemed intuitive to read anyway, if anything nc spam makes it harder since it feels way more "chaotic"
you bring the "skill" argument to keep the 1/4 jump things, but then use basically the opposite argument for these things...

tbh I don't care much about the nc things, it's just that your argumentation doesn't make much sense but whatever

also fix your tags https://i.imgur.com/bY0Dshw.jpg

02:23:249 - storyboarded audio in this part is still ??? since it gets to a point where you basically have a different song than all other diffs...
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@fanzhen:
00:33:758 - for the first point, that's why i suggested some hs thing. if you're mapping it like this why not change the sliderhead to drum sample or add a whistle or something to make it a bit more intuitive hs feedback wise? since right now it's the only spot in the whole part where the slidertail gives more hs feedback than head for no apparent reason

02:31:724 (5,1) -02:32:063 (4,1) - looks like a mistake in comboing, 00:54:012 (4,1) - makes more sense
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other things look fine now

fanzhen0019

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fanzhen0019 2018-02-11T14:39:03+00:00

+all fixed

Hollow Wings

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Hollow Wings 2018-02-12T14:49:46+00:00

moecho's reply:

Lasse wrote:

make sure all of these are actually used somewhere or delete them
fixed

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@moecho: don't give me the stupid "get good" argument, thanks.
that's an easy way to get people to just walk away from your map, which I would've done if it wasn't just a gd that I don't really care about
the point wasn't the patterns being too difficulty (they are fine) but being too difficult for this part in perspective of the whole map
I have put specific hitsounds on the specific objects that I mean to emphasize, which is same concept as hitsounding a note with a strong hitsound, which also adds an emphasis to the object itself. and I think this is enough to emphasize what I had in mind for this section and map as whole.
just to mention, the jumps are also an introduction for whats to come in the kiai, which also include jumping with 1/4 time between notes, and those are actually a lot trickier to get since the rhythm is a lot more complicated and more tense on movement. of course "get good" isn't an effective method of telling you why the jumps are placed as they are, but that's also why I replied with a long text reply.

as I wrote, while trying not to be aggressive in any kind of way, I rather feel like you have not taken your time to read all of it. the jumps are a part of the mapping concept of the map. to be "too difficult" is a subjective thing here while it may not be the case for players it was intended to be its main crowd. why would we not start questioning why some maps are so easily read and are "pp-rewarding" while some with the same star rating is very abstract? they are just designed with a specific player type in mind, rather it being a play style thing or rank thing or what you could think of.

another thing, as a mapper's perspective towards a modder, the thing you are addressing now feels rather forced and not in respect for a mapper's intent for the map. you can say it's difficult for you but you should never say it must be changed, since it might just not be suiting for your skill sets as a player. just like some there are maps that are designed for alternating, or any other play style. some people simply are better at handling stream jumps, while some players for various reasons has it difficult for stream jumping, but that shouldn't be the reason to limit or force a mapper to change the content of the map into a player's intent and discard the initial intention.

a mapper will change when he/she thinks that what's being addressed is an improvement or better alternative for the mapping idea/intent.
I hope this will clear up why I decide to keep them. but if this is not enough to understand, then the way of modding might not be on the right track, it's not supposed to change mapper's intention but it should improve the way to express it.

it's better now due to ar 9.3 but some of them still feel a bit nonsensical to me
like 00:37:317 (4,5,1) - 00:41:385 (1,2,1) - is bascially the same thing but one is way more difficult, you don't need 1/4 jumps here for "emphasis", the last note of a triple inherently stands out the most anyway??

also comparing the difficulty to the 1/16 repeats is absurd, they are actually really easy to fc since the sv doesn't require you to move away from the head (unlike on top diff)
they are also in a way more intense part, where higher difficulty makes sense
honestly for me as a player, I find the 1/16 on 00:53:758 (1,1) - a lot harder to keep the combo than the stream jump you mentioned, but as I said, I wouldn't tell a mapper to change just because of that. I have your view of emphasis in mind, but I also have my own perspective on emphasis here, which should not be too unreasonable or hard to understand

the nc spam still makes no sense to me, how are nc supposed to help read sv changes, even more so if you have them on basically every object anways and also spam nc things without sv changes like 01:03:927 (1,1,1) - ...
the sv changes in the kiai all seemed intuitive to read anyway, if anything nc spam makes it harder since it feels way more "chaotic"
you bring the "skill" argument to keep the 1/4 jump things, but then use basically the opposite argument for these things...

tbh I don't care much about the nc things, it's just that your argumentation doesn't make much sense but whatever
have improved the addressed new combo issue across the kiai and adjusted some for outside kiai as well, should be acceptable now

also fix your tags https://i.imgur.com/bY0Dshw.jpg
downloaded the newest EX EX diff's .osu file and copy pasted, now it should be fine

02:23:249 - storyboarded audio in this part is still ??? since it gets to a point where you basically have a different song than all other diffs...
it's been overwritten with proper hitsounding now, but I think the outcome is basically the same here, since with hitsounding, it would still be different, the only difference is that the player can affect when the sounds will play or perhaps miss it entirely, creativity should not limit to object placement and patterning, but also hitsounding

I have made sure there are no more extra hitsounds (on my end)and no delay, there will be false positives from modding assistance but checking through them with audacity shows that there is no delay larger than 5ms
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other things look fine now

thank you for modding Lasse

Lasse

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Lasse 2018-02-12T15:06:47+00:00

looks fine now

@moecho:
the additive hs were not the issue, but storyboarding them, having them on the actual objects makes much more sense, it's much better now

salchow

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salchow 2018-02-12T15:43:17+00:00

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UndeadCapulet

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UndeadCapulet 2018-02-12T17:19:21+00:00

bubblun wanted me to wait for his mod but he's taking too long so here's check:

general
soft-hitclap84 should prob be cut down a bit: https://i.imgur.com/BfEFHhI.jpg
lasse says maybe cut some stuff from the start of soft-hitfinish2 and 3 as well: https://i.imgur.com/kxyPBil.jpg

exex
catching the drumbeats at 00:59:097 - , 01:01:809 - , etc. by changing 01:01:724 (4) - in a 1/4 slider or smth might be a nice touch
this sort of thing would also be nice for showing off the different drumbeats in the second chorus, catching 02:41:809 - with a circle/slidertail would feel pretty good idk

i know you're prob gonna deny that bc it ruins the 1/8sliderstuffs but at least i showed i looked at the diff now /shrug

yuki
02:35:114 - 02:40:538 - missing claps

insane
00:34:775 (1) - having a stronger directionchange might be nice to show off the downbeat/finish: https://puu.sh/zmdxn/d22735a892.png
dont rly get why only 00:57:487 (2) - and 01:05:622 (2) - are arranged so much further from the previous sliderheads when all the other circles in this section are spaced like 01:08:334 (2) -

truest exploration of reverse arrows
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Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2018-02-12T19:21:54+00:00

dammit uc

EXEX

01:23:250 (3) - Unsnapped note that went unnoticed in aimod. There could be more of these, so I'd resnap all the notes to be safe https://puu.sh/zmfxU/b75ba865b2.jpg If you use that function make sure you keep the snapping at 1/8 or else your notes are gonna stack on each other in the timeline.
00:58:673 (2,3,4) - I feel this part would give better feedback if there were soft whistles on the heads, as they're mapped to the same sound as 00:59:012 (4) - which has hitsound, which in turn makes 2 and 3 feel quieter.
01:18:843 (1) - I feel like these sliders could be move or adjusted in a way that's more intuitive, as the length doesn't really allow the player to play these as buzz sliders. If I could show you what I mean, https://puu.sh/zmfND/a592cc4b87.png I feel naturally we're more inclined to click as close to the center of the circle as possible, as that's what we've been taught to do as we play the map. I feel like if you arrange the notes in a way that would encourage players to click within the follow circle, there's less of a chance of a slider break https://puu.sh/zmg6L/decedb3670.png
02:39:013 (2,3,4) - I feel like 4 having such a contrast in spacing from 2 and 3 would be awkward to play, as they feel like they're mapped to the same sound, so they share similar spacing to compliment that. Like at 02:36:301 (2,3,4) - 02:41:724 (2,3,4) - I think the same would apply at 02:47:487 (4) -

Kalindraz's EX

01:50:199 (4) - It feels like a whistle is missing here, as this was hitsounded in the other diffs and sounds similar to 01:49:860 (1,2,3) -

fanzhen

I feel like HP could be decreased to 5-6 as NCs typically are used every downbeat, sometimes every 1/2 beat, so higher HP than the conventional 6 when NC usage is more extreme I feel could be punishing to play.

UC said he wanted to icon, so gl with rank everyone.

Irreversible

osu! Alumni

4,315 posts

Joined December 2011

Irreversible 2018-02-12T23:31:23+00:00

fanzhen, just a really small suggestion:

02:36:131 (1,2) -
02:46:978 (1,2) -

I've really loved playing your diff after the new hitsounds, everything felt really intuitive and all, except those two - they kinda really catch me offguard everytime and I think the problem is that 02:36:385 (2) - ends on a white tick which happens to be really strong? How about replacing 02:36:385 (2) - and 02:47:233 (2) -
by 2 circles, so people can click both sounds (which are kinda equally strong), I think that'd feel more natural.

Bastionior

560 posts

Joined January 2013

Bastionior 2018-02-13T00:22:50+00:00

Bubblun wrote:
dammit uc

Kalindraz's EX
01:50:199 (4) - It feels like a whistle is missing here, as this was hitsounded in the other diffs and sounds similar to 01:49:860 (1,2,3) - yeah u right, fixed
sorry for that miss or any mistake /><\ i rechecked, everything its fine now!

so gl with rank everyone.

Thanks Bubblun!

Thanks Everyone! Update!

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Hollow Wings

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Topic Starter

Hollow Wings 2018-02-13T13:40:17+00:00

UndeadCapulet wrote:
bubblun wanted me to wait for his mod but he's taking too long so here's check: oh what lol... btw im surprised that you are a bn as well w
general
soft-hitclap84 should prob be cut down a bit: https://i.imgur.com/BfEFHhI.jpg
lasse says maybe cut some stuff from the start of soft-hitfinish2 and 3 as well: https://i.imgur.com/kxyPBil.jpg all fixed.

exex
catching the drumbeats at 00:59:097 - , 01:01:809 - , etc. by changing 01:01:724 (4) - in a 1/4 slider or smth might be a nice touch
this sort of thing would also be nice for showing off the different drumbeats in the second chorus, catching 02:41:809 - with a circle/slidertail would feel pretty good idk the reason i put 1/8 sliders instead is like the kiai part is filled with all those 1/16 sliders expressing those noisy crazy beats, and if we met some obvious sounds like 01:01:216 (1,2,3,4) - which can be clearly heard among them, i think it can be expressed in another way, which is emphasizing them with tap objects like what i've did. the useage of 1/4 or 1/8 slider already did their job in non-kiai part to be a intro of 1/16 ones in kiai, so let other sounds be ordinary can be a better choise imo.

i know you're prob gonna deny that bc it ruins the 1/8sliderstuffs but at least i showed i looked at the diff now /shrug

yuki
02:35:114 - 02:40:538 - missing claps fixed.

insane
00:34:775 (1) - having a stronger directionchange might be nice to show off the downbeat/finish: https://puu.sh/zmdxn/d22735a892.png sure but changed to another style aside yours.
dont rly get why only 00:57:487 (2) - and 01:05:622 (2) - are arranged so much further from the previous sliderheads when all the other circles in this section are spaced like 01:08:334 (2) - generally because previous kiais of the song are not that noisy as the later ones (lack of drum track beats), so those wub sounds really clear and loud. then previous two kiais of those four in previoius part are more quiet, which you can easily know they are composed in different way in the song. because of those, these two jumps at the begeinning of kiais have larger jumps than other ones, and they are like the most difficult part of those kiais, differed from other kiais' difficulties. the concept of my map is usually like "change", not forcing people focus on absolute things - when you have all 5.0x jumps together, you can hardly call they are real big jumps, however, when you put a 2.0x jump in 0.5x jumps, it gives much more "big jump here" feeling to the players - like that.
truest exploration of reverse arrows
call me back

Bubblun wrote:
dammit uc haha... xp

EXEX
01:23:250 (3) - Unsnapped note that went unnoticed in aimod. There could be more of these, so I'd resnap all the notes to be safe https://puu.sh/zmfxU/b75ba865b2.jpg If you use that function make sure you keep the snapping at 1/8 or else your notes are gonna stack on each other in the timeline. fixed.
00:58:673 (2,3,4) - I feel this part would give better feedback if there were soft whistles on the heads, as they're mapped to the same sound as 00:59:012 (4) - which has hitsound, which in turn makes 2 and 3 feel quieter. the hitsound is completely snapped to the drum track and i don't want to change it any longer. the objects' hitsounds here sound quiet but when players are playing the map, they always focus on the main melody track more than other ones. on the other hand, wub sounds won't effect much feedback to the player, and these objects are even sliders. so in order to keep the hs system, i choose keep the current setting.
01:18:843 (1) - I feel like these sliders could be move or adjusted in a way that's more intuitive, as the length doesn't really allow the player to play these as buzz sliders. If I could show you what I mean, https://puu.sh/zmfND/a592cc4b87.png I feel naturally we're more inclined to click as close to the center of the circle as possible, as that's what we've been taught to do as we play the map. I feel like if you arrange the notes in a way that would encourage players to click within the follow circle, there's less of a chance of a slider break https://puu.sh/zmg6L/decedb3670.png i know what you are meaning but that's like one of spirits of the map. 1/4 jumps among buzz sliders even with slider shapes like these 03:07:317 (1,2,1) - which i've done on purpose. the previous kiai parts are like a general intro to the later one which is even more difficult. what if i make those bent ones easier to play? i think the later patterns will be too sudden to others through the previous part. here's another usual thing i always do: when i wanna lay a really difficult pattern, i'll give some similar and easier ones in non-kiai or quiet part as a consistent intro. so, here i choose to keep the current style as well.
02:39:013 (2,3,4) - I feel like 4 having such a contrast in spacing from 2 and 3 would be awkward to play, as they feel like they're mapped to the same sound, so they share similar spacing to compliment that. Like at 02:36:301 (2,3,4) - 02:41:724 (2,3,4) - I think the same would apply at 02:47:487 (4) - here's simply a trick with structure pattern, see if you can copy slider 3 to note 1's position and i think you will get it.
UC said he wanted to icon, so gl with rank everyone.

too much surprise lol~

thanks for modding!

edit: have fanzhen's premission to check his diff's mods

Bubblun wrote:
fanzhen
I feel like HP could be decreased to 5-6 as NCs typically are used every downbeat, sometimes every 1/2 beat, so higher HP than the conventional 6 when NC usage is more extreme I feel could be punishing to play. fanzhen's diff is actually really easy, hp should be fine.

Irreversible wrote:
fanzhen, just a really small suggestion:

02:36:131 (1,2) -
02:46:978 (1,2) -

I've really loved playing your diff after the new hitsounds, everything felt really intuitive and all, except those two - they kinda really catch me offguard everytime and I think the problem is that 02:36:385 (2) - ends on a white tick which happens to be really strong? How about replacing 02:36:385 (2) - and 02:47:233 (2) - i think this is acceptable, changed.
by 2 circles, so people can click both sounds (which are kinda equally strong), I think that'd feel more natural.

UndeadCapulet

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UndeadCapulet 2018-02-13T14:07:14+00:00

ily

Bepis

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Bepis 2018-02-13T17:27:05+00:00

very nice map owo

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2018-02-13T19:09:29+00:00

soft-hitfinish2.wav and soft-hitfinish3.wav are too short now
they need to be over 100ms so add like 30ms of silence to the end of both of them

should be fine to qualify tomorrow

Hollow Wings

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Hollow Wings 2018-02-14T05:36:29+00:00

Lasse wrote:
soft-hitfinish2.wav and soft-hitfinish3.wav are too short now
they need to be over 100ms so add like 30ms of silence to the end of both of them fixed.

should be fine to qualify tomorrow

Lasse

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Lasse 2018-02-14T14:12:09+00:00

have fun sliderbreaking

[Mahua]

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Joined November 2010

[Mahua] 2018-02-14T14:22:45+00:00

好

Shima Rin

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Shima Rin 2018-02-14T14:26:30+00:00

Congratz!

Weber

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Weber 2018-02-14T14:33:03+00:00

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

Divine Cake

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Joined November 2013

Divine Cake 2018-02-14T14:52:43+00:00

congratulations on breaking ctb :^)

Skystar

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Skystar 2018-02-14T15:04:23+00:00

I slept through the party

one told me it just happened

I jumped over the bed

grats!!

plsleaf

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plsleaf 2018-02-14T15:14:02+00:00

Gratz!

Rizia

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Joined January 2012

Rizia 2018-02-14T15:34:50+00:00

Skystar wrote:
I slept through the party

one told me it just happened

I jumped over the bed

grats!!

-Visceral-

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Joined August 2012

-Visceral- 2018-02-14T15:38:05+00:00

01:21:957 (2) - Is this snapped right? I think u might have an error

Hardest diff btw

jk editor bug

Silomare

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Silomare 2018-02-14T15:40:24+00:00

Congratulations on qualify, such a great map!

leo16834

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leo16834 2018-02-14T16:26:54+00:00

神圖無誤

恭喜RK~

fastmarkus

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fastmarkus 2018-02-14T17:46:10+00:00

congratz, HW! amazing mapset

-Visceral-

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-Visceral- 2018-02-14T18:42:03+00:00

Actually wait 03:16:131 (1) is snapped to 1/16 in EX EX fucj

EDIT: I feel like this issue was hard to detect mainly because of the hitsound volume. I understand that you probably did quieter hitsounds because of the buzz sliders, so maybe have 2 samples or something? I only realized the slider i linked after watching it in ctb with different hitsounds and hearing a delay

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Raiden

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Raiden 2018-02-14T18:51:55+00:00

sneaky 1/16

UndeadCapulet

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UndeadCapulet 2018-02-14T18:52:30+00:00

technical difficulties
we'll be back soon

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2018-02-14T18:55:34+00:00

it was hard to detect cuz when u MA it u have to set it to 1/16th cuz theres a ton of 1/16th intended snaps lol

-Visceral-

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-Visceral- 2018-02-14T18:57:10+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
it was hard to detect cuz when u MA it u have to set it to 1/16th cuz theres a ton of 1/16th intended snaps lol

idk honestly with clearer hitsounds it was extremely easy to hear when watching the map tbh

Hollow Wings

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Hollow Wings 2018-02-14T23:42:11+00:00

Theaceae wrote:
Actually wait 03:16:131 (1) is snapped to 1/16 in EX EX fucj sorry for this stupid mistake, fixed.

EDIT: I feel like this issue was hard to detect mainly because of the hitsound volume. I understand that you probably did quieter hitsounds because of the buzz sliders, so maybe have 2 samples or something? I only realized the slider i linked after watching it in ctb with different hitsounds and hearing a delay

[Mahua]

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Joined November 2010

[Mahua] 2018-02-15T02:12:35+00:00

老哥怎么死于bug

UndeadCapulet

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Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-02-15T02:13:02+00:00

this time i looked at the map!

Kawashiro

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