00:18 *pingal1ty is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1395926 Wintergatan - Multiverse [Lost]]
00:20 pingal1ty: hmmm
00:20 pingal1ty: high bpm is not my thing
00:20 negusver: okay
00:20 pingal1ty: but I can tell you the overlaps at the beginning, even if in purpose, are not good thing
00:20 negusver: thanks for playing though
00:20 pingal1ty: do you want me to try the other lower star ?
00:20 negusver: sure if you want
00:22 pingal1ty: I think you need to make the spacing more clear
00:22 negusver: is the stream in the end too hard for thi diff what do you think
00:22 negusver: alright
00:22 pingal1ty: well I suck at high bpm
00:23 pingal1ty: its not really long one but since its over 200bpm
00:23 negusver: yeah
00:23 pingal1ty: I don't know, perhaps make a buzzer
00:23 pingal1ty: or combine stream with a buzzer
00:23 pingal1ty: start with stream end with a buzzer its a nice idea
00:23 pingal1ty: but overall the biggest problem I see
00:23 negusver: yeah ill do something like that
00:23 pingal1ty: its the spacing
00:23 pingal1ty: sometimes it can be confusing
00:24 pingal1ty: because player might not know if he has to stream or singletap
00:24 negusver: okay
00:24 pingal1ty: you should make clear which pattern is a stream and which one is a singletap
00:24 pingal1ty: you emphasize that with spacing
00:24 negusver: you mean between 1/4 and 1/2?
00:24 pingal1ty: Yes
00:25 negusver: like with the triples in the chorus
00:25 negusver: yeah i see that
00:25 negusver: and in the transition between chorus and reprise
00:25 pingal1ty: its a good song choice I think btw
00:26 negusver: i mean in the chorus itself its pretty much all 1/2
00:26 negusver: yeah i like it too
00:27 negusver: do you mean things like 01:09:130 (2,3) -
00:27 pingal1ty: on which diff
00:27 negusver: lost
00:28 pingal1ty: yeah overlaps are all over the place
00:29 negusver: yeah I'm not good at asthetics
00:29 pingal1ty: me neither xD
00:31 pingal1ty: you can probably easy fix it
00:31 pingal1ty: by just placing the circles on top of the slider end or slider head
00:32 pingal1ty: that way it doesn't look like a bad overlap
00:32 negusver: yeah but there are subtle movements that are implied by not doing that
00:32 negusver: idk all these things are pretty much intentional
00:33 pingal1ty: yep I understand
00:33 negusver: i guess if I just make this somewhat consistent thatll work out
00:33 pingal1ty: but probably any mod will point that at first
00:34 negusver: yeah
00:35 pingal1ty: well in fact you could use distance snap so they all look the same distance even if the overlap so its more clean
00:35 pingal1ty: but still its overlapping badly
00:35 pingal1ty: its something every mod will tell you, 100%
00:35 pingal1ty: don't missunderstand me, the map is nice
00:35 pingal1ty: the rythm is ok too
00:36 pingal1ty: but the overlaps are so bad that everyone is going to point you them
00:37 negusver: yeah maybe ill fix them
00:37 pingal1ty: also the chorus part where I die
00:37 pingal1ty: I'm seeing it on the editor
00:37 pingal1ty: its so confusing to play
00:38 negusver: yeah ill change that
00:38 pingal1ty: I mean you have good ideas but because of the overlaps :/
00:38 negusver: its inconsistent anyway
00:38 pingal1ty: it makes it unreadable on some parts
00:38 negusver: hmm
00:38 pingal1ty: well if you are cookiezi, np, but since its just barelly 5* I do believe it shouldn't be that hard to read
00:39 negusver: okay
00:39 negusver: so things like 01:04:515 (1,2,3,4,5) - is like the gimmick the map is build around
00:40 negusver: do you think i should change this up completely or are there other parts that are more difficult to read
00:40 negusver: or other patterns
00:40 pingal1ty: well actually that was the one I was talking
00:40 negusver: ok
00:41 pingal1ty: so probably yes, the way they overlap and stuff...
00:41 pingal1ty: then for example
00:41 pingal1ty: this part
00:41 pingal1ty: 01:21:390 (2,3,4,1,2) -
00:41 pingal1ty: looks easy to read but
00:41 pingal1ty: last circle it isn't
00:41 negusver: oh yeah i ran out of ideas
00:41 pingal1ty: because there's a gap in the timeline
00:42 pingal1ty: and the spacing
00:42 pingal1ty: you can see it on the editor
00:42 negusver: yeah i was feeling weird when mapping this too
00:42 pingal1ty: between 4,1 theres 2.67 spacing
00:42 pingal1ty: between 1 and 2 there's less spacing
00:42 negusver: sure
00:43 negusver: just stacking with some rearrangement should be fine
00:44 pingal1ty: I cleared it
00:45 pingal1ty: with a B tho
00:45 pingal1ty: my finger speed and stamina are bad
00:45 negusver: nice
00:45 pingal1ty: there's a part where the rythm gets like super dense
00:45 pingal1ty: if its all in purpose its good
00:45 pingal1ty: its just that some overlaps and spacings are not as good as they should be probably, that's all the feedback I can give you
00:45 negusver: which part
00:46 pingal1ty: I think its the chorus
00:46 pingal1ty: because I was running out of stamina
00:46 pingal1ty: like it gets bit crazy
00:46 pingal1ty: and puts a lot of pressure
00:46 pingal1ty: think that's subjective tho
00:46 pingal1ty: other player that can handle idk 250bpm
00:46 pingal1ty: might not have the same sensation
00:46 negusver: hmm okay
00:47 negusver: well thanks for the feedback, it was of great help i think
00:48 pingal1ty: all the part from the yellow line
00:48 pingal1ty: until 01:11:438 - that moment
00:48 pingal1ty: its like very intense (for me)
00:48 pingal1ty: no problem
00:49 negusver: hmm wouldn't know how to do anything about that though
00:49 pingal1ty: its the song intensity
00:49 pingal1ty: because 208bpm
00:49 pingal1ty: so its not your fault
00:49 negusver: alright
00:50 pingal1ty: perhaps the mapping itself the way you made it does indeed make it even more intense due to object placement, but I can't really tell you, as I said over 200bpm is where I find trouble
00:51 pingal1ty: I can comfortably play 170-180, even 190ish if mapping is kind, but over 200 I just get a bit out of control
00:51 negusver: yeah these back and forth jumps probably are not the most comfortable to play
00:51 pingal1ty: well on one of the latest pishifat videos
00:52 negusver: but i mean if they get something across thats fine i guess
00:52 pingal1ty: I think the last one he made or the one previous to the last, he talked about that preciselly
00:52 negusver: uhm which one
00:52 pingal1ty: that its not the same feeling a pattern when it goes faster or slower depending on bpm
00:52 pingal1ty: same mapping style on different song speed and it didn't felt good
00:53 pingal1ty: its on the last one or either the one previous to the last
00:53 pingal1ty: can't tell you the exact moment but I clearly remember it
00:53 negusver: oh yeah i remember
00:53 negusver: idk about that though
00:54 negusver: i mean its just referring to the players capabilities
00:54 negusver: and we're still talking about merely 5 stars
00:54 pingal1ty: hmmmmm
00:55 pingal1ty: if you want a good example on what I was talking about
00:55 pingal1ty: this map for example
00:55 *pingal1ty is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/813938 Shindehai - ONE-PUNCH MAN FOREVER]
00:55 pingal1ty: on estellia's X-Class diff
00:55 pingal1ty: I FCed it
00:55 pingal1ty: twice
00:55 pingal1ty: and sometimes I've broke at like the very end
00:55 pingal1ty: its not 208bpm
00:55 pingal1ty: but its 190
00:55 pingal1ty: which for me its already a bit challenging
00:56 pingal1ty: but thanks to the mapping style
00:56 pingal1ty: I can keep a decent acc and a decent combo, eventually FCing it
00:56 pingal1ty: it also has small circles like yours
00:58 negusver: yeah i see
00:59 negusver: i mean my map is definitely more awkward to play, especially considering its bpm
00:59 negusver: its just the question if this awkwardness is just the result of inconscious lack of playability or if it gets something across
01:00 pingal1ty: I don't know
01:00 pingal1ty: I have a friend that is good
01:00 pingal1ty: at high bpms
01:00 pingal1ty: do you want me to ask him to playtest it?
01:00 pingal1ty: he can definitelly give you another point of view
01:00 negusver: i mean if you want
01:01 pingal1ty: give me a sec I'll ask him
01:01 negusver: okay
01:02 pingal1ty: kay spec through me
01:02 negusver: not sure what that means
01:02 pingal1ty: right click on me -> spectate
01:02 negusver: oh i see
01:02 pingal1ty: you'll see him playing in a moment.
01:02 negusver: neat didn't know that works