DeviousPanda wrote:

from m4m queue:

FALL IN TRANCE

00:19:286 (4,5,6,1) - spacing here is a bit large compared to the spacing you've used throughout this section

00:20:840 (5,6,7) - i suggest making this look like this to flow better:


00:24:104 (5,7) - 00:25:192 (3) - your mixing use of overlaps and stacks, sticking to one or the other would show a better structure

00:34:674 (2,3) - these overlaps dont look so good, maybe stack them instead:

00:41:669 (6,7,8) - these aren't properly stacked for a triple

00:51:151 (2,3,4) - and 00:51:617 (2,3,4) - would play alot better with a sharp angle, so maybe do something like this:


00:52:550 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same here, having the triple path the same angle as the jump here 00:52:550 (1,2) - plays awkwardly

00:54:104 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this doesnt look good, keeping the 1/3 spaced apart with no overlaps would help, maybe like this:



00:57:006 (1,2,3,4) - same here, changing the spacing and making the repeat slider an NC would help, maybe something like this:


01:07:788 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - keeping spacing consistent in this section would really improve the structure, with only slight variations for intensity

01:22:399 (1) - because this is a different sound to the first 3 sliders i think changing direction would help emphasise that better along with the straight slider like this:


01:22:710 (1) - this slight overlap here looks messy:


01:32:036 (3,4,5,1) - having these 4 notes without a direction change feels uncomfortable to play, im not entirely sure about this one but something like this maybe:


01:41:829 (4) - overlap looks bad here

03:14:161 (1) - this slider isnt in shape with the previous stream and the jump section should start on the white tick where this slider ends

03:19:990 (1,2,3) - distance snap these ore something

03:28:150 (5) - move this like this:


03:46:958 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - use slider to stream for a perfect curve here, also they arent distance snapped

03:48:746 (12,1) - if you want to do a stream jump i suggest making it a bigger jump like this 04:47:502 (12,1) - , this jump here is too small to really emphasise the music but too big to be ignored

04:19:134 (1) - small thing but this slidershape could be improved

05:11:982 (3,4,5,6,7) - this jump section feels really weird, try making the angles sharper

05:53:329 (2,3,4) - same thing as before, this would play better:


05:57:993 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - decreasing spacing while the intensity increases doesn't work that well, maybe make the triples here gradually space out 05:58:614 (2,3,4) - 05:59:081 (2,3,4) - 05:59:547 (2,3,4) -
like this:

I hope this mod helps! this is a really fun map to play uwu, good luck with ranking this

Arutsuki wrote:

hi from #modreqs

fall in trance

•First thing I notice is how messy your overlaps are. I like maps built around overlapping but you have to keep it consistent. Firstly in spacing - 00:15:244 (1,2) - This DS seems like the best so you should keep all the other overlaps the same; 00:18:353 (1,2) - 00:22:550 (5,1) - 00:24:104 (5,7) - . Secondly which beats you use them on: 00:13:690 (1,2) - This for example is the same timeline gap as 00:15:244 (1,2) - so it doesn't make sense why one is a stack and the other an overlap. Similarly 00:25:659 (5,7) - and 00:24:104 (5,7) - . And thirdly, to keep it tidy, you wanna avoid messy unintentional overlaps like 00:18:353 (1,4) - 00:21:462 (1,4) - 00:21:462 (1,6) - 00:34:519 (1,2,3,4) - 01:14:627 (3,4,1,4,1) - etc. These don't affect gameplay too much but it looks way better, when you select a pattern, to see it neatly organised.
•Next concern is the rhythm, it is good to give variety where the beat is the same for too long, but like with everything, it's good to keep it consistent. In the intro, for example, since the song is in 4/4 you could separate it into groups of four; 00:13:690 (1,2,3,4,5) - repeat this rhythm four times instead of just three, then move on to 00:19:907 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - and use it 4 times as well. That leaves 00:23:949 (4,5,6,7) - unused but imo it's too dense and too spaced for this calm of a part anyway.
•Keep in mind both of those repeat throughout the whole map so if you really wanna fix it properly you might be better off remapping whole sections.
•00:32:032 - This section feels messy as well. The intention with symmetry is nice, it separates the sounds you're mapping from the rest, but again it's not consistent. 00:32:032 (1,2,3,4) - 00:35:762 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - these don't follow the symmetry whilst 00:33:275 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - these do, despite being the same sounds. Not to mention 00:37:161 (2,4) - doesn't fit in at all since you never used this kind of overlap before, it makes no sense to start it now of all places.
•00:41:669 (6,7) - not stacked
•00:44:856 (5) - no sound
•00:49:130 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - personal thing but these don't really look too good, it's that weird zone between spaced and not spaced
•00:49:752 (1) - Same thing with the rhythm could apply on streams as well, just to remind, if there's no clear difference in music to change the stream into kicksliders with, it would feel more organised if the stream went on for four measures, and ended the whole build up with kicksliders after that.
•00:54:104 - Another personal thing, but considering it's a 6*, it feels rather empty and boring to not map at least some of these 1/3s as streams.
•01:07:788 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Again, the intention with symmetry is nice, but since the sounds are separated in sets of 4 (or it could be sets of 2), mapping them as 3-1-1-3 feels weird.
•01:12:762 - Starting this section, the rhythm consistency feels a bit better, so if you need something to refer to you should continue like this. The visuals don't seem to follow the same as they did in the sections before. Perfect stacks instead of overlaps and a bit neater organisation. Since it's a collab I assume that's just a different one of you two, but you should agree on one visual style considering the song is pretty much the same over the whole 6 minutes.
•01:27:684 (1,2) - Would be cool if you emphasised these 4 sounds, either with kicksliders or different spacing or flow or etc. Same goes for 01:30:171 (1,2) - 01:37:632 (1,2,3,4) - 01:40:119 (1,2,3,4) - 01:47:580 (1,2,3,4) - and so on.
•02:00:715 (2,5) - no sound :v
•That should be mostly it, it's more general problems than specific ones as I said so go through the whole map, not just through the examples.

if you want something clarified feel free to message me ingame~ good luck

Renquiem wrote:

NM :3

00:01:255 (1,1) - I'm personally not a big fan of this start, with the huge break following right after. It will discourage players if they are trying to FC the map and have to restart.
00:13:690 (1,2,3) - The 3rd slider could "wrap" around the 2nd sliders end. I don't know how to put this into text so I'll just leave an image. It's a really small tweak, but I think it looks more organized.
http://imgur.com/QAbJK9F
00:26:125 (1) - Slider end leads slightly too downwards.
00:27:058 (4) - Maybe curve outwards to lead into the triangle?
00:46:488 (2,3,4) - 2 is slightly off causing the triple to be curved. Your going for straight bursts here right?
00:48:198 (5) - and 00:48:353 (7) - are a little off in the stream.
00:49:674 (8,1) - This sudden spacing change at the end of the stream feels off :/ Might want to just put them together? (I suggest curving the stream inwards since its more of an oval atm)
01:07:788 (1,2,3) - 3 is slightly farther away in comparison to 1 and 2.
01:32:347 (4) - Slightly to high to stack under 01:31:415 (1) -
01:41:829 (4) - Same thing but with 01:41:052 (6) -
01:42:606 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - There's a shape making tool for this reason! Go to "Compose->Create Polygon Circles", or just ctrl+shift+D
01:46:337 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same as above
02:24:264 (3) - Stack under 02:24:731 (2) - maybe?
02:28:617 (1) - Maybe move between 02:28:772 (2,3) - to let it "fit in" more. It's slightly to low atm.
02:31:181 (2) - Bump up a little. Slightly to low.
02:31:415 (5,6,7,8) - Suddenly got a little cramped! space out a bit more to fit the spacing.
02:32:502 (1) - Sounds a bit awkward... Maybe just let that be a circle.
02:44:471 (3) - Personal nit pick but you could spread out the slider a bit more to "cover 02:44:782 (4) - more.
02:48:046 (5) - Move slightly to the left? Maybe? (Or make the off-centerness deliberate like 03:02:969 (1) )
03:27:840 (3) - Slightly off in the jumps.
04:29:237 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shape creation tool
04:30:792 (2,3) - Slider head leads a bit to much to the left. Nudge it right so the follow point matches.
04:50:377 (1) - Apply the Slider Velocity lowering here instead.
04:52:863 (5) - SV up here instead.
04:56:905 (1,2,3) - Slightly curved slider. Move the 3 right like 1 tick.
05:38:252 (5) - Slider head to low. Use the follow points and slider body line to determine if they are parallel or not.
Unfortunately, I really didn't see nor feel an intensity change throughout the whole kiai time. It felt like the same level of intensity, while the song was clearly alot more powerful at this point. I know it'll be a pain, but upping the Slider Velocity to like 1.20x might do the trick.

Otherwise, good map!

PoNo wrote:

Hey, (switched to NM cause I don't need more M4M)

00:15:400 (2) - I think here you can map a triple, thats gonna increase the density and also this part looks a but undermapped at all, same for others ones like 00:17:109 (2) - etc

00:32:187 (2) - 00:38:560 (1) - SV looks a bit low in that part in my opinion, you can fairly increase it a bit I want this part to stay as it is now (hope you understand)

00:43:845 (1) - try to avoid that kind of overlapping, you can put that on 00:42:913 (4) - or just separe it !

00:45:244 (2,3,4,5) - visuals too, for that kind of things just point out the next object, https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/QYwYtQK.png like that

00:49:673 (8,1) - spacing is toooooo huge, place the (1) closer to the (8)

00:50:840 (2,2,3,4) - that looks very messy, you should fix these overlaps

00:55:970 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - why instead of just 1/3 sliders trying to put 1 slider, 1 circle, 1 slider.. etc could be more dynamic

01:22:399 (1) - personnal tips, when you have that kind of huge kick at the end of a part, try to make higher SV (x1.8 or something like that) than just use 1/4 instead of 1/2

02:32:969 (2,3,4,5,1) - why everynotes aren't stacked for me, put them on the same place !

03:27:373 (1,2) - kickslider then jump, should be better

Stormiverse wrote:

m4m, map link irc.

Chat

22:05 Stormiverse: m4m?
22:05 bezbashn: yee
22:05 *Stormiverse is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1388097 ClariS - SHIORI (TV Size)]
22:06 bezbashn: If you are okay with this rules - we can start working
22:06 bezbashn: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6210055
22:07 Stormiverse: sure
22:07 Stormiverse: i can mod your map right now
22:07 Stormiverse: you want irc or forum?
22:08 bezbashn: forum is better
22:08 Stormiverse: ok

FALL IN TRANCE

Slider Tick Rate should be set to 1 as this map contains both 1/2 and 1/3 divisions.

00:13:690 (1,2) - These shouldn't be stacked as it breaks consistency with 00:15:244 (1,2) - , 00:16:799 (1,2) - , etc...
00:38:249 (5,6) - These should be stacked because wide angle movements are pretty uncomfortable.

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04:33:279 (5,6,1) - ^
00:41:669 (6,7,8) - Disable Stacking in View and stacks these properly.
02:32:969 (2,3,4,5) - ^
05:56:128 (4,5,6) - ^
01:32:036 (3) - I think it would look nicer with blanket.
02:35:301 (4) - ^
02:38:254 (1) - You can move the tail so that it lined up with 02:38:876 (3) -

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02:44:471 (3) - Just here to fix some blanket.

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03:08:720 (1,2) - Why do you stack them here? You haven't stacked any 1/1 beat gap since the beginning of the map, except for that first one.
03:09:186 (3,4,5) - ^
03:27:684 (2,3) - I would place them further apart as players could easily misread them into 1/4.
03:48:746 (12,1) - I would rather placed the 1/4 jump like this

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so that momentum is preserved, rather than like this

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04:47:502 (12,1) - ^
04:48:434 (12,1) - ^
05:57:993 (1) - What is this doing here? Why aren't you following your pattern?

Hope this mod help

Striked parts are pre-update.

1. Check AIMod, I found two unsnapped objects!
2. 00:15:866 (3,4,5) - Not a fan of all these triplets in the beginning part of the map. I feel like they add an unnecessary amount of difficulty to an incredibly calm part of the song. I would replace all of these with a repeat slider, because that way you are still mapping to the instrument but the intensity of the map decreases, making it suit the song better.
3. 00:23:949 (6,7,8) - Make this angle a bit sharper so that it's more consistent and so that you're adding emphasis on (7) and (8).
4. 00:46:954 (6,7,8,9) - Increase the spacing going into this triplet. Because the song is getting more intense, the spacing in your map should reflect on that.
5. 00:50:995 (1,2,3,4) - Like the above suggestion, I feel like this triplet needs more emphasis too. The cursor is already moving pretty fast from the kicksliders, so having the spacing so small here can play quite tacky.
6. 00:56:799 (6,1,2) - The angle here is too obtuse, which plays comparatively worse compared to the section at 00:55:970 (1,2,3,4,5) - . It is also inconsistent, because nothing in the music calls for this change in angle. I would fix this by moving (2) somewhere so that the cursor makes a sharper movement, ideally less than 90°
7. 01:27:684 (1,2) - Space these sliders out - again, the music is getting more intense here. I'm also not fond of the shape of these sliders, because they look out of place in this section of the map.
8. 01:32:347 (4,5,1) - I'd angle this pattern to give (1) more emphasis, because it lands on a much more powerful beat than the previous two notes. Increasing the spacing from (5) to (1) would also work here.
9. 01:36:544 (2,3,4) - This angle is just inconsistently obtuse and I find that it doesn't particularly play well here. 01:35:145 (1,2,3,4) - , 01:33:902 (1,2,3,4) - , and 01:32:658 (1,2,3,4) - are sharp angles, so it only makes sense that this would be a sharp angle too.
10. 01:37:632 (1,2) - These sliders share the same problem as 01:27:684 (1,2) -
11. 01:40:119 (1,2) - ^. Happens again too at places, but I'm sure you get the idea now.
12. 01:58:461 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - Stream entry doesn't flow well at all because the player has to make a conscious effort to get into fluid motion. You definitely want to avoid sharp angles when entering into a stream, if you keep that in mind then they will flow well most of the time. In this case, moving the start of the stream to a place like x:48 y:208 would flow much better.
13. 01:59:083 (5,1,2) - Same kind of issue, make the angle of these three notes less sharp so the player doesn't have to snap to change direction.
14. 03:08:720 (1,2,3) - This section can be hard to read due to the sudden 1/2. I would make this clearer by placing an NC at 03:09:031 (2) - .
15. 03:10:430 (2,3) - Increase the spacing here because (3) lands on a much stronger beat than the two sliders.
16. 03:25:508 (2,3) - The sound extends to the blue tick, so you should make these 1/4 sliders.
17. 03:37:321 (4,5) - Make these two notes sliders for the sake of consistency. You've done this at 03:29:549 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:22:088 (1,2,3,4) - so I don't see why these should be any different.
18. 03:44:781 (4,5) - ^
19. 04:12:450 (2) - For the sake of consistency, I would move this slider forward 1 beat and place a circle where it previously started. However, I understand that you need to emphasise the note at 04:13:071 (1) - so I'd reduce the length of this slider to 1/2. This is what the timeline should look like.
20. 04:18:823 (4,5) - I would reduce the spacing between these two objects. The beat that (5) lands on is quite weak, so I wouldn't emphasise it that much.
21. 04:37:009 (6,1) - Hm, this sudden break of flow seems quite awkward, because the cursor settles into a smooth circular motion but then has to jerk the opposite way. I would form a square pattern like this, as it maintains the circular flow motion.
22. 05:05:920 (6,1) - This set of sliders also flow bad, because slider leniency doesn't work with it. The player will go straight to (1) and miss the tail of (6). Moving (1) up a bit more should alleviate this issue.
23. 05:22:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same kind of problem as the above suggestion but with a stream.
24. 05:23:640 (3,1) - Get rid of the blanket here and move (1) to an area like x:332 y:12 to keep the circular flow motion.
25. 05:58:770 (4,1) - On this part, I would gradually increase the spacing here as well, because this instrument is also sharply increasing in intensity as well.

Rin Desu wrote:

heyHey

Here are my suggestions for your map!

00:16:488 (2,3,4) - - on which sound is 3 ?
if you map 00:15:866 (3,4,5) - why is here: 00:16:954 (00:18:508 - )- no circles at all while there are the same sounds?
hope u got me there you map sth that isnt there and skip beats u should map imo

00:49:752 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - since this is a buildupsection why is this spacing at the end so little? 00:50:529 (2,1) -
00:53:793 (2,2) - ugly overlap
00:55:348 (1,2) - again that little spacing
00:57:420 (4,5) - why a stack there?^^
00:56:280 (3) - and 00:56:799 (6) - got an ugly overlap
01:18:047 (2,3) - blanket
01:18:668 (4) - make this straight
01:21:466 (1,1,1,1) - NCs
01:32:036 (3,4) - blanket
01:36:855 (4,5) - here too
01:41:829 (6,7) - again
02:17:114 (1,1) - NC
02:32:502 (1,1) - blanket
02:34:212 (1,2) - bad flow
02:34:834 (3,4) - blanket
02:34:834 (3) - and short this and at a circle
02:44:471 (3,4) - here too
03:03:124 (2,3) - and here too
03:09:808 (5) - 03:10:585 (3) - another not clean blanket
04:23:642 (4,5,1,2) - why is the 5 so close to the slider end, same with the 1 on the next slider while there is a big gap
04:54:107 (1,2) - guess what^^
05:54:728 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that tripples are not in the song

Okay Good luck ranking it, have a nice day!

-Faded- wrote:

Hey, m4m from #modreqs

[Fall in Trance]

1. Check AIMod, I found two unsnapped objects!
2. 00:15:866 (3,4,5) - Not a fan of all these triplets in the beginning part of the map. I feel like they add an unnecessary amount of difficulty to an incredibly calm part of the song. I would replace all of these with a repeat slider, because that way you are still mapping to the instrument but the intensity of the map decreases, making it suit the song better.
3. 00:23:949 (6,7,8) - Make this angle a bit sharper so that it's more consistent and so that you're adding emphasis on (7) and (8).
4. 00:46:954 (6,7,8,9) - Increase the spacing going into this triplet. Because the song is getting more intense, the spacing in your map should reflect on that.
5. 00:50:995 (1,2,3,4) - Like the above suggestion, I feel like this triplet needs more emphasis too. The cursor is already moving pretty fast from the kicksliders, so having the spacing so small here can play quite tacky.
6. 00:56:799 (6,1,2) - The angle here is too obtuse, which plays comparatively worse compared to the section at 00:55:970 (1,2,3,4,5) - . It is also inconsistent, because nothing in the music calls for this change in angle. I would fix this by moving (2) somewhere so that the cursor makes a sharper movement, ideally less than 90°
7. 01:27:684 (1,2) - Space these sliders out - again, the music is getting more intense here. I'm also not fond of the shape of these sliders, because they look out of place in this section of the map.
8. 01:32:347 (4,5,1) - I'd angle this pattern to give (1) more emphasis, because it lands on a much more powerful beat than the previous two notes. Increasing the spacing from (5) to (1) would also work here.
9. 01:36:544 (2,3,4) - This angle is just inconsistently obtuse and I find that it doesn't particularly play well here. 01:35:145 (1,2,3,4) - , 01:33:902 (1,2,3,4) - , and 01:32:658 (1,2,3,4) - are sharp angles, so it only makes sense that this would be a sharp angle too.
10. 01:37:632 (1,2) - These sliders share the same problem as 01:27:684 (1,2) -
11. 01:40:119 (1,2) - ^. Happens again too at places, but I'm sure you get the idea now.
12. 01:58:461 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - Stream entry doesn't flow well at all because the player has to make a conscious effort to get into fluid motion. You definitely want to avoid sharp angles when entering into a stream, if you keep that in mind then they will flow well most of the time. In this case, moving the start of the stream to a place like x:48 y:208 would flow much better.
13. 01:59:083 (5,1,2) - Same kind of issue, make the angle of these three notes less sharp so the player doesn't have to snap to change direction.
14. 03:08:720 (1,2,3) - This section can be hard to read due to the sudden 1/2. I would make this clearer by placing an NC at 03:09:031 (2) - .
15. 03:10:430 (2,3) - Increase the spacing here because (3) lands on a much stronger beat than the two sliders.
16. 03:25:508 (2,3) - The sound extends to the blue tick, so you should make these 1/4 sliders.
17. 03:37:321 (4,5) - Make these two notes sliders for the sake of consistency. You've done this at 03:29:549 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:22:088 (1,2,3,4) - so I don't see why these should be any different.
18. 03:44:781 (4,5) - ^
19. 04:12:450 (2) - For the sake of consistency, I would move this slider forward 1 beat and place a circle where it previously started. However, I understand that you need to emphasise the note at 04:13:071 (1) - so I'd reduce the length of this slider to 1/2. This is what the timeline should look like.
20. 04:18:823 (4,5) - I would reduce the spacing between these two objects. The beat that (5) lands on is quite weak, so I wouldn't emphasise it that much.
21. 04:37:009 (6,1) - Hm, this sudden break of flow seems quite awkward, because the cursor settles into a smooth circular motion but then has to jerk the opposite way. I would form a square pattern like this, as it maintains the circular flow motion.
22. 05:05:920 (6,1) - This set of sliders also flow bad, because slider leniency doesn't work with it. The player will go straight to (1) and miss the tail of (6). Moving (1) up a bit more should alleviate this issue.
23. 05:22:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same kind of problem as the above suggestion but with a stream.
24. 05:23:640 (3,1) - Get rid of the blanket here and move (1) to an area like x:332 y:12 to keep the circular flow motion.
25. 05:58:770 (4,1) - On this part, I would gradually increase the spacing here as well, because this instrument is also sharply increasing in intensity as well.

Overall this map was pretty good, I felt that it was structured well and it looked nice. Some areas of the map, such as the 2-3 minute mark I felt were mapped the really well. You'll need to work more on your flow and emphasis, however. I found lots of issues regarding these so I think you should go over your map and ask yourself these two questions: "does it flow well?" (ie, does the cursor make a smooth movement here, or do I have to unnaturally move it to reach the next note), and "does this beat have the correct emphasis". Most often, you increase the spacing to emphasise a note, but emphasis can also be done through flow breaks. That's all I have to say, good luck!

Mir wrote:

Continuation mod

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13:47 bezbashn: Hi-hi! Have you checked the map or you are still busy with other stuff ?
13:48 Mir: wait link it again
13:48 Mir: i can actually check it now
13:48 *bezbashn is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1387582 Yooh - Dignity -alzando-]
13:48 bezbashn: с_с
13:48 bezbashn: just look if you even would take it
13:51 Mir: theres a lot of rhythm stuff that seems like i wouldn't agree with it
13:51 Mir: some easily fixable
13:51 Mir: some are a structural flaw
13:52 bezbashn: are you able to mod em ?
13:52 bezbashn: or i just need to rethink my life, get a book of mapping and do it myself for a long-long time
13:53 Mir: well its nothing like that its just
13:53 Mir: idk if you would go through and change all of it lol
13:53 Mir: like 05:06:076 - most of these should be clickable
13:53 bezbashn: but yeah
13:53 Mir: cuz 05:05:920 (6,1,2) - 1 gets no emphasis with 6 being a slider
13:53 bezbashn: that's the thing
13:53 bezbashn: I need other people vision
13:53 bezbashn: to fix stuff
13:53 Mir: 05:07:786 (6) - so on
13:54 Mir: 05:18:356 - and idk why this isn't clickable
13:54 bezbashn: oh, i think i got it
13:54 bezbashn: stronger beats, right ?
13:54 Mir: 05:36:231 (4,5) - is kinda weird cuz 05:36:076 (3) - is really weak but has the same emphasis as 4
13:54 Mir: yeah stuff like that
13:55 Mir: 05:46:024 - doesnt the 1/4 start here
13:55 Mir: 05:46:956 - not here
13:55 Mir: 05:48:200 - these should tottaallyy be clickable
13:55 Mir: 05:49:754 - would suggest a nice long slider for the synth
13:55 Mir: 05:50:065 - leads into this a bit nicer than just a break
13:56 Mir: 05:52:785 - a lot of these triples are skipped too which is a bit odd
13:56 Mir: 05:56:904 - and the 1/8 you mapped at 05:48:045 (2) - isn't mapped here
13:56 Mir: i could go on and on pointing out things cuz as i said it's a structural thing
13:57 bezbashn: yee
13:57 bezbashn: my bad mostly
13:57 Mir: it's not a bad start but i don't think it's ready yet
13:57 Mir: mainly lacking in consistency and rhythm i think
13:57 bezbashn: i think, that i can fix these and other like them later in the day
13:58 bezbashn: cos soon i'm gonna leave for study
13:58 Mir: okay
13:58 Mir: i also suggest
13:58 Mir: you should look for mods from more experienced mappers
13:59 bezbashn: yeah
13:59 bezbashn: i tried
13:59 bezbashn: they are mostly closed
13:59 Mir: yah.. you kinda have to camp them lo
13:59 bezbashn: would be nice if you can look up some more and post this irc to thread for me to check later
14:00 Mir: kk

- 00:15:244 - You follow the bg drums here but not after 00:19:907 - why?
- 00:16:177 (1,1) - Overlaps like this can be avoided quite easily.
- 00:26:125 (1) - Could use a lot more emphasis than it has, space it more?
- 00:32:187 (2,4,2) - I feel like centering these would have been cooler. Like this: https://puu.sh/xJh9z/9034d0495b.mp4
- 01:37:632 (1,2) - Such strong beats like this that you hitsounded would be better as circles imo.
- 01:52:554 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Seems really out of place since the song isn't increasing in intensity nor does it drop so much in the beginning of the pattern. It just doesn't fit the map or song.
- 02:02:503 - You can get rid of these breaks lol they're so short
- 02:07:477 (2,3,4) - Blankets and stacks off :/

Stuff we talked about in IRC can apply to most of the map. Work on consistency and making noticeable sounds more clickable.

Also the latter part of the map seems a lot more polished than the beginning lol.

Yauxo wrote:

Coming from #modreq

Not a mod, but a general thing that bugged me throughout the map.
Quite an amount of objects are weirdly spaced in terms of their visual (and also actual) spacing. I'll take these objects as example:

- 01:16:803 (2,3) -
There is no, to only a little change in the music, so just going from theoretics, 01:16:803 (2,3) - should have the same or a similar spacing to 01:16:492 (1,2) - or the other way around. You'll have a "fast" movement from (1) to (2), but (2) to (3) is almost a full stop.

- 01:32:036 (3,4) -
The problem with this one is that, compared to the objects mentioned above, there is more movement before/after (3) and (4) due to the song being more intense, but even less actual movement during these two objects. Players wont follow the Slider like it's shaped, but rather stop after about 1/2 and then just move down to hit the Circle. This, also, is a full stop in a rather strong part of this section and thus kinda bleh.

- 01:41:829 (6,7) -
Is the same thing as above, but reversed.

- 01:52:399 (4,1) -
I feel like the dead stop that youre having here, should be a tick after this (which is what you do with these slow Sliders afterwards), but not on the one it's currently on. The Sliderhead technically still belongs to the jump combo before and should be spaced accordingly.
(Also, while being at it, maybe add some Circles inbetween those Sliders. The section feels really slow while it probably shouldnt (similar intensity as the section before, "XX" type music shouldnt be mapped as "XY")

- 02:33:902 (6,1) -
Here, too, is a basically dead stop when transitioning from (6) to (1) while you build up alot of movement in the stream beforehand. Imagine a river flowing down the "stream", all the water just suddenly has to stop after the Slider and it overflows, now knowing where to go with all of that momentum. (Idk, thats how I do it)

There are more of these scattered around the map and I feel like they tank a hit on the map's polish. If you feel like making the most out of your map, try to change the spacing of these kinds of things. Imagine the river if you need to, if that even helps :v

Error- wrote:

beep boop, from q.

Megapcmx wrote:

Nice map tho ^-^ gl

Forzaken4K wrote:

Hiya from my queue!

FALL IN TRANCE

It can be better if you place the NCs on the big white ticks. (Don't know what they're called)
00:13:690 (1,2) - Could stack these. +
00:27:524 (6) - Either move it further away, or stack it with 00:26:747 (3)'s end. Idk why, but it's already stacked. Maybe because of previous mod.
00:28:923 (7) - Weird overlap with 00:27:990 (3) Moved some things in this part a bit
00:32:187 (2,4,2,4,6,8,2,4,6,8) - Could Ctrl + G all of these, for better flow. No. Reasons in box for Megapcmx's mod.
00:57:524 (5,1) - Try this Yesss
01:21:777 (2) - Ctrl + G can emphasize 01:22:088 (3) Maybe. Done
01:52:554 (1,3,5,7,2,4,6,8) - Could Ctrl + G all of these, for better flow. As above. No.
02:01:259 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Maybe add just a bit of curve to this stream. There is no music or rythm change. Don't think changes are about to be made
02:02:347 (3,4) - Make this like 02:02:036 (2) Meh. This is strong ending, so no.
02:07:477 (2,3,4,5,6) - Could stack all of these. Nope. These are staying.
02:32:658 (1) - Remove NC Kinda fixed it

Something I think you can improve is the flow, here, watch Pishifat's video for some tips.

I could only mod half of it with the time I have, I hope you can apply these suggestions to the rest of the beatmap.
GL HF!

AlphaDude95 wrote:

Hello! NM from the queue: t/601442/start=75

mod

00:23:638 (3,4,5,1) - There's a minor collision here that could look better if (1) was blanketing (5) Done
00:24:571 (1,1) - Why 2 NCs? Because 2 NC's. No ?
00:24:881 (2,7) - Blanket Done
00:27:058 (4) - Use ctrl+h instead and reposition upwards a bit Done
00:30:166 (5,7) - Dark color with barely visible approach circles at 100% dim AND an overlap? That's evil I'm the Devil itself
00:31:332 - I can hear a triple here so maybe place an additional circle here? But I dont c_c
00:31:876 (6) - Move between 00:31:099 (3,4) - To avoid collisions with 00:32:187 (2) Have been done already I think. Moved a bit one more time
00:32:032 (1) - If the circle/slider sequence had the circles below the sliders it would greatly improve the flow https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9216378 No. Reason in above-above box
00:38:560 (1,2) - I recommend a stack here Don't think so. It's very different sounds to make a stack of
00:51:151 (4,5,6) - You have a ton of sliderends here as an overlap option Have been half-done in revious mods. Will stay like it's now I think
01:22:399 (4,1) - I'd like to see these two overlap for stopping cursor motion as the music stops as well Absolute no for me. This is an instant start of a new section, so no full stop
02:18:668 (1,2,3,4) - Keep the slider shapes consistent Done
03:04:834 (2,6,7) - Eh, just overlap is fine Fixed
03:09:031 (1,2) - This could be more expected if there was a stack at 03:08:720 (10,1) Kinda fixed
03:26:441 (1,2) - This is a very nice opportunity to play with SV Nah...
04:18:978 (5,1) - Oh come on you can do better than that (try forming it around the approach circle) Done
04:19:833 (4,1) - Overlap Done
05:22:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Pretty bad flow Done
-Wow, the ending's hard Shure it is

That's all! Good luck! (please excuse my shitty modding)

Bakari wrote:

Just some comments on structuring/patterning/visuals and some fancy copypaste features.

IRC log (Russian)

22:57 bezbashn: davai davai rush b
22:58 bezbashn: cheeki breeki
23:00 Bakari: vodka vodka balalaika comrade
23:00 bezbashn: da
23:00 Bakari: glory to our communist society and great communist leaders
23:01 Bakari: let's establish communism together
23:11 Bakari: 00:14:001 (2,3,4,5) - а тут почему (5) ближе?
23:11 bezbashn: с_с
23:11 Bakari: ксати визуально они какие-то неровные, если они все под примерно один и тот же звук, то может стоило просто один слайдер 4 раза откопипастить и поворачивать?
23:11 bezbashn: возможно
23:12 bezbashn: сейчас этим займусь
23:12 bezbashn: так получается во всей карте
23:12 bezbashn: ух сколько работы
23:12 Bakari: 00:16:177 (1,2) - вообще, слово паттерн можно перевести как "узор" или "фрагмент"
23:12 Bakari: Узор подразумевает повторение
23:13 bezbashn: та же песня с формой ?
23:13 Bakari: Если у тебя какие-то вещи похожи, то вместо прикидывания на глазок всегда можно скопипастить и отзеркалить
23:13 bezbashn: +
23:13 bezbashn: *получаю практические знания маппинга*
23:13 bezbashn: *взрыв мозга*
23:13 Bakari: Скажу больше, ты так время сэкономишь :p
23:14 bezbashn: С_С
23:14 Bakari: Ctrl+C > Ctrl + V > Ctrl+ H/J/R/G
23:17 Bakari: А еще, спейсинг в начале на что опирается?
23:18 Bakari: Я бы попробовал ставить объекты ближе/дальше от предыдущих опираясь на громкость инструментов
23:18 bezbashn: хм
23:18 Bakari: Тройки, понятно, мы не трогаем, а с остальным можно эксперементировать, нет?
23:18 bezbashn: попробую начало сделать
23:18 bezbashn: Кстати
23:19 bezbashn: есть ли смысл уменьшить спейсинг в начале ?
23:19 Bakari: Ну, я не знаю. Странные у тебя вопросы :p
23:19 Bakari: Ты в этой карте царь и бог, тебе решать, что там имеет смысл, а что - нет
23:20 Bakari: Позиция любого моддера и БНа в предложении или вопросах типа "а что если сделать <как-то>" или "а почему <так>, а не <как-то иначе>?"
23:24 Bakari: 00:35:141 (7,8,1,2) - кстати о вопросах, что ихменилось в музыке, что заставило тебя отойти от раскрывающегося паттерна 00:33:431 (2,4,6,8) - ?
23:24 Bakari: Там есть четкая прогрессия в слайдерах, а потом она просто резко зеркалится, хотя музыка вроде бы все про то же идет
23:25 bezbashn: ака tip Мира
23:25 Bakari: Кстати о паттернах, чем они логичнее, тем они понятнее игроку
23:26 Bakari: Если игрок видит что-то читабельное и может проследить связь паттерна с музыкой, то играть сразу становится приятнее
23:26 bezbashn: т.е. для игрока будет проще продолжать раскрывающиеся слайдеры, чем перскочить на другую сторону и закрывающиеся
23:26 Bakari: Да!
23:26 bezbashn: о
23:27 Bakari: Или, например, 01:16:492 (1,2,3) - будет эстетически приятнее понимать, что слайдеры друг за другом передают три ноты одного инструмета
23:27 Bakari: если их еще и визуально сделать одинаковыми
23:30 Bakari: 01:21:466 (1,2,3,4) - а еще, если они у тебя прогрессию передают, то их можно сделать похожими
23:30 Bakari: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9220843
23:31 Bakari: Т.е. в идеале ты сочетаешь выделение музыки, красивые паттерны и при этом это все у тебя отражает какие-то твои общие идеи и прослеживается во всей карте
23:32 bezbashn: *взрыв мозга х2*
23:32 bezbashn: я пока там что-то делаю со слайдерами ты ещё и ещё накидываешь
23:32 bezbashn: хоспаде
23:32 bezbashn: кто тебя такого хорошего создал ?
23:34 Bakari: Сам по себе такой получился, просто очень много свободного времени на редактор было
23:35 Bakari: на самом деле, ты можешь просто принять к сведению, и оставить на попозже
23:35 bezbashn: пока леплю там слайдеры в начале
23:35 bezbashn: хы
23:35 Bakari: Мы пройдемся по карте, а уже потом взять лог чата и с ним поработать
23:35 bezbashn: +
23:35 Bakari: А все вопросы просто задать попозже в чате или через форум
23:36 Bakari: Но тут как тебе удобнее
23:36 bezbashn: Ну, у меня часовой пояс как у тебя, поэтому пока ты тут - я тут
23:38 Bakari: А ты не из Перми часом? Может у меня получится тебя на еду развести? Нет?
23:38 bezbashn: Не, Екатеринбург
23:38 bezbashn: хы-хы
23:38 Bakari: 01:42:606 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - а ведь классная идея, еще бы чуть аккуратнее
23:39 bezbashn: я пытался сделать спомощью создания многоугольников, но получилась какая-то дичь
23:40 Bakari: У тебя distance snap обычно включен?
23:40 bezbashn: да, но не во всех моментах
23:40 Bakari: С включенным снепом удерживай шифт и попробуй подвигать объекты
23:41 Bakari: Он там будет углы по 45 градусов подсказывать
23:42 Bakari: Под него ставишь угольный паттерн https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/5IAqtLBp.jpg а потом [https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/z68qxJma.jpg ctrl+shift+r]
23:43 Bakari: Кстати, если у тебя финиши и вообще много всего, то наверно и дистанцию у джампов можно побольше 01:37:632 (1,2,3,4) -
23:44 Bakari: Т.е. если у тебя что-то есть в ритме, то и в хитсаундах/спейсинге было бы круто это же показать
23:44 bezbashn: там на месте этих нот были слайдеры
23:44 bezbashn: но что-т потом у меня в голове щёлкнуло и я заменил их на ноты
23:45 Bakari: А знаешь, что щелкнуло?
23:45 Bakari: Слайдеры меньше нагрузки на игрока дают
23:46 bezbashn: логично, 2 слайдера и 4 ноты. разница очевидна
23:46 Bakari: ну и хвосты они ни о чем
23:47 Bakari: Хвост слайдера можно отпустить очень рано и выбить 300, да и головы у слайдеров чуть менее требовательны к точности
23:47 Bakari: Нажатие клавиши > отпускание этой же клавиши
23:47 Bakari: Тут ничего нового, да
23:50 Bakari: 02:22:399 (1,2,3) - а знаешь, что такое треугольник? Это круг, т.е. 360 градусов. Если объекта три, то можно скопипастить ожин обхект три раза и поворачивать на 120 градусов
23:50 bezbashn: дальше это есть
23:51 Bakari: https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/2T9iuxrF.jpg
23:51 Bakari: Если квадратос из 4 слайдеров, то так же под 90 градусов
23:52 Bakari: Ходят слухи, что монстрата после своих треугольников пошел работать учителем геометрии
23:53 bezbashn: ХД
23:54 Bakari: 02:29:549 (7,8,1) - а тут у тебя до (1) все шло по нарастающей, а потом видимо место закончилось
23:55 bezbashn: хз, получается ли нормальный флоу, если развернуть последующие прыжки
23:57 Bakari: Смотря что такое нормальный флоу ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:57 Bakari: Если соединить любые три точки получается треугольник, треугольник это всегда флоу
23:58 Bakari: Просто суть в том, если треугольники все разные, или мешаются с разными слайдерами, то флоу получается слишком разнообразный и никто не понимает, где там и что
23:59 bezbashn: хм
23:59 bezbashn: Может быть сделать эти прыжки нарастающими треугольниками ?
23:59 Bakari: попробуй, посмотри, как там музыка идет
00:00 Bakari: Если там 1-2-3 . 1-2-3 . 1-2-3 - делай
00:00 Bakari: Если там 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4, то попробуй квадраты
00:00 bezbashn: ну, там 12 нот
00:01 Bakari: 3 по 4 или 4 по 3
00:01 bezbashn: ща попробую треугольникки
00:01 Bakari: Что зайдет - то оставляй
00:01 Bakari: Можно, кстати, нескромный вопрос, 02:57:062 (4,5) - так и надо, что (4) звучит слабее но прыгает дальше, а (5) наоборот?
00:02 Bakari: Монстритос, например, любит под паттернинг джампы подстраивать, а некоторые наоборот под громкость/силу ставят джампы
00:04 Bakari: 02:58:461 (1,2,3,4,5) - сыграй вот это в тестовом режиме, а потом через Ctrl+G поставь вот [https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/IAqkgY1q.jpg такое] и тоже сыграй
00:10 Bakari: 03:09:031 (1,2,3,4) - я сначала мозг сломал об такой паттерн
00:10 Bakari: там стакаются вещи, у которых ритм отличается
00:11 bezbashn: до такого они были в ряд расположены
00:11 Bakari: 03:09:808 (4) - а еще у четверки на хвосте очень сильный удар, я бы укоротил слайдер, а туда - круг
00:21 Bakari: А еще, меня нужно бить палками, ибо я отвлекаюсь и ухожу в далекие дали, а не смотрю на карту
00:22 bezbashn: о-о
00:23 Bakari: 05:46:956 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - круто идут под инструмент какой-то там на фоне
00:23 Bakari: 05:48:045 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - а вот тут я уже не понимаю
00:24 Bakari: может их в стрим просто? или еще как-то, а то я совсем не улавливаю, на чем они стоят
00:25 Bakari: 05:54:262 (6) - cлишком близко, да и тройка лучше бы зашла,
00:26 Bakari: очент уж тянет меня понажимать на 05:54:417 -
00:26 Bakari: А так все
00:26 Bakari: Чуть больше структуры на визуалочки, чуть больше четкости в паттерны
00:27 bezbashn: ушки твои целы ?
00:28 Bakari: Ворде как да
00:29 bezbashn: Слава морковке
00:30 Bakari: Тебе лог в теме с картой нужен, или так сохранишь?
00:30 bezbashn: лучше в карту
00:31 bezbashn: буду всё это переваривать, так как материала много
00:31 bezbashn: и это вери гуд

Mirash wrote:

тайминг сигнейчур должен быть 5/4 https://i.imgur.com/09h3War.png тут это делается, тогда все твои даун биты будут на своих местах
02:02:347 (3,4) - это было трудно, лучше просто слайдер туда продли
Пока хз. Он был продлён раньше, но там сильный удар, поэтому я поставил туда ноту. Пока пусть постоит
02:17:425 (2) - поставь нк, чтобы отделить его. у тебя 02:17:114 (1,2,3) - три слайдера на одинаковом визуальном расстоянии стоят, но различаются по снапингу, не очень интуитивно для игроков, нк поможет
Раньше он был. вернул

03:11:362 (4) - тоже большой прыжок на нее стоит, бит там слабый, либо убери ее совсем, либо поставь рядом со слайдером
ммм... окей

03:47:891 (1,1) - не люблю такие прыжки между стримами, особенно когда они не подкреплены сильными ударами в музыке, но игралось это более менее сносно
Сильных ударов то может и нет, но зато меняется питч. Поэтому там расстояние побольше.

den0saur wrote:

:thinking:

SPOILER

you sure know what is that first map, huh?

FALL IN TRANCE

00:01:332 (1) - I feel like this spinner would fit more on a red tick, more space in time is always more comfortable between spinners and other objects, also it could emphasize the beginning of the drums on 00:01:410 - btw this isn't an issue like totally unrankable and shit, it's completely fine but I'm only talking about comfort while playing

pic

00:15:244 (1) - this note really breaks the aesthestics both with 00:14:933 (5) - and the triple at 00:15:866 (5,6,7) - :/ first of all, make the flow go circural from the slider 00:14:933 (5) - to that note

something like that, you can experiment tbh

and the second, more fun thing is making 00:15:244 (1) - look like it would make a stream with the 00:15:866 (5,6,7) - triple, lemme show ya

as you can see, the note itself doesn't look that random and it actually makes a pattern now

00:23:016 (1,2,3) - Why such a random spacing? I know it's Extra diff and stuff but the spacing changes should be consistent enough to be played well and increased or decreased when the music actually changes and the spacing spikes between these objects represent absolutely nothing, like why did you keep 1,8x on 00:22:705 (8,1) - and then suddenly decrease it to 1,5x on 00:23:327 (2) - aaaand then it becomes 3x on 00:23:638 (3) - for no reason :/

Honestly I'd just make a slider-triangle over here, like idk something like

this

And the most important part about the intro: use more stuff than just spaced triples and curved sliders.

For an example: some vertical straight sliders (a little rotated not to be so grid nazi) would really add more beauty to your map at this point, the same slider over and over again without any formula gets boring really really fast)

I mean this really looks different, more stuff equals more fun

Just don't make too much stuff, keep the consistency with the slider shapes, like 1 = straight, 2= curved or crooked. Keep your mapping like 1,2,1,2 or 1,1,2,2 for the same musical parts.

Also spacing the triples all the time makes no sense. All it gives to you is more difficulty to map because of limited flow right after the triple (you know, you can go either straight or forth 'n' back because other way it's antiflow and it sucks), stacked triples give more free options, like you can go literally anywhere with the flow after them. Aaand don't forget to keep the consistency aswell, just like the sliders mentioned above. Ya know pal, one spaced triple, then one stacked one aaand repeat untill it's sexy.

00:33:897 (9,10) - okay so now it's very important that this pattern (along with all the repeats later) makes no sense because it has no flow at all, just look how the player needs to move while playing

omg

and it turns even worse later

i love ms paint

technically being said, the point which I marked with that shitty ms paint thing forces the player to change his movement by 90 degrees for no reason and then continue going up, the idea itself is really cool, I know what you were trying to make here, but still wrong direction with the sliders, no emphasize, no flow, need remap for the whole build up section

and the remap is not hard at all, don't worry! all you have to do is just give the patterns some good flow instead of making them absoulutely anti-flowing

nOiCE flow

yep, repeat it with all the sliders from 00:32:187 (2) - to 00:37:783 (4) -

00:52:705 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - way too close to each other, space it up a little but keep it symmetrical

w

and while doing that, don't forget to also keep the straight follow lines between the triples and 00:52:550 (1,1) -

01:39:342 (4,5) - this pattern really outstands everything at this point, the spacing is too big right after these forth n back jumps 01:38:876 (1,2,3) -

that's my suggestion for now, idk don't have time for anything better sorry :/

here

02:02:347 (3,4) - please make the last note go reverse after the repeat-slider, easier to read, easier to play and you can even space it a little for better aesthestics

ok

btw not going to mention the overall build up stream part, because it needs some nerfing and I'm really tired right now sorry (but i'm sure future mods will mention that so don't worry!)

02:06:233 (1) - wait, what is this snapping, 1/16? WTF?

lololololol

02:09:342 (5) - same here, the beat clearly leads to the white tick

02:06:233 (1,2,3,4) - also on all of these sliders, the ending has absolutely no sound, that means the hitsounds without the piano need to be set at 5% volume

02:09:342 (5) - ok this one is different, it has a really loud and important sound on it's tail, that's why it should be clickable, 1 circle on 02:09:653 - pls

02:12:295 - whoa you completely ignored that guitar part, nice xd no really map it please, it makes no sense to map the calm guitar part and then ignore the more intensive one

deadpon3 wrote:

hey hey hey, sorry for a slow mod I was really busy

FALL IN TRANCE

00:01:332 (1) - I feel like this spinner would fit more on a red tick, more space in time is always more comfortable between spinners and other objects, also it could emphasize the beginning of the drums on 00:01:410 - btw this isn't an issue like totally unrankable and shit, it's completely fine but I'm only talking about comfort while playing

pic

00:15:244 (1) - this note really breaks the aesthestics both with 00:14:933 (5) - and the triple at 00:15:866 (5,6,7) - :/ first of all, make the flow go circural from the slider 00:14:933 (5) - to that note

something like that, you can experiment tbh

and the second, more fun thing is making 00:15:244 (1) - look like it would make a stream with the 00:15:866 (5,6,7) - triple, lemme show ya

as you can see, the note itself doesn't look that random and it actually makes a pattern now

00:23:016 (1,2,3) - Why such a random spacing? I know it's Extra diff and stuff but the spacing changes should be consistent enough to be played well and increased or decreased when the music actually changes and the spacing spikes between these objects represent absolutely nothing, like why did you keep 1,8x on 00:22:705 (8,1) - and then suddenly decrease it to 1,5x on 00:23:327 (2) - aaaand then it becomes 3x on 00:23:638 (3) - for no reason :/

Honestly I'd just make a slider-triangle over here, like idk something like

this

And the most important part about the intro: use more stuff than just spaced triples and curved sliders.

For an example: some vertical straight sliders (a little rotated not to be so grid nazi) would really add more beauty to your map at this point, the same slider over and over again without any formula gets boring really really fast)

I mean this really looks different, more stuff equals more fun

Just don't make too much stuff, keep the consistency with the slider shapes, like 1 = straight, 2= curved or crooked. Keep your mapping like 1,2,1,2 or 1,1,2,2 for the same musical parts.

Also spacing the triples all the time makes no sense. All it gives to you is more difficulty to map because of limited flow right after the triple (you know, you can go either straight or forth 'n' back because other way it's antiflow and it sucks), stacked triples give more free options, like you can go literally anywhere with the flow after them. Aaand don't forget to keep the consistency aswell, just like the sliders mentioned above. Ya know pal, one spaced triple, then one stacked one aaand repeat untill it's sexy.

00:26:591 (2,3) - I don't really see the point of stacking the note on this slider, because it goes very uncomfortably with 00:26:125 (1) - being very fast and spaced, player has to jump throught the screen, he gets a bit triggered by it (in a good way, hey the music finally starts!) and the next thing you give him is a stacked 1/2 note on a slider :///// not cool, needs spacing

00:33:897 (9,10) - okay so now it's very important that this pattern (along with all the repeats later) makes no sense because it has no flow at all, just look how the player needs to move while playing

omg

and it turns even worse later

i love ms paint

technically being said, the point which I marked with that shitty ms paint thing forces the player to change his movement by 90 degrees for no reason and then continue going up, the idea itself is really cool, I know what you were trying to make here, but still wrong direction with the sliders, no emphasize, no flow, need remap for the whole build up section

and the remap is not hard at all, don't worry! all you have to do is just give the patterns some good flow instead of making them absoulutely anti-flowing

nOiCE flow

yep, repeat it with all the sliders from 00:32:187 (2) - to 00:37:783 (4) -

00:52:705 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - way too close to each other, space it up a little but keep it symmetrical

w

and while doing that, don't forget to also keep the straight follow lines between the triples and 00:52:550 (1,1) -

00:57:835 (2) - move it a little so it makes a perfectly straight follow point with 00:57:524 (1) -

01:39:342 (4,5) - this pattern really outstands everything at this point, the spacing is too big right after these forth n back jumps 01:38:876 (1,2,3) -

that's my suggestion for now, idk don't have time for anything better sorry :/

here

01:42:451 (9) - do you really have to overlap it with the square 01:42:917 (3) - ? it breaks the first square, perhaps you could find some better place for that note

01:52:554 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You know what to do with this, don't you? :^)

02:02:347 (3,4) - please make the last note go reverse after the repeat-slider, easier to read, easier to play and you can even space it a little for better aesthestics

ok

btw not going to mention the overall build up stream part, because it needs some nerfing and I'm really tired right now sorry (but i'm sure future mods will mention that so don't worry!)

02:06:233 (1) - wait, what is this snapping, 1/16? WTF?

lololololol

02:09:342 (5) - same here, the beat clearly leads to the white tick

02:06:233 (1,2,3,4) - also on all of these sliders, the ending has absolutely no sound, that means the hitsounds without the piano need to be set at 5% volume

02:09:342 (5) - ok this one is different, it has a really loud and important sound on it's tail, that's why it should be clickable, 1 circle on 02:09:653 - pls

02:12:295 - whoa you completely ignored that guitar part, nice xd no really map it please, it makes no sense to map the calm guitar part and then ignore the more intensive one

02:48:046 (5) - NC for better reading pls

I think it's gonna be it for now, would make a longer mod but it's night already and I'm literally dying just looking at this bright ass forum :/
Git gud luck m8

Irreversible wrote:

00:16:177 (1,2) - I'd increase spacing here a bit because the sound here 00:14:001 (2,3) - is similar in tone and volume and it's spaced higher here.
00:18:042 (2,1) - Emphasis issue, because 00:18:353 (1) - definitely has a more impactful sound. You should reconsider this
^ Those two issues appear quite a lot in the first part. Please check out for them yourself!

00:22:705 (1,2,3) - Why is this forming one pattern? The sounds here are pretty different all the time, so having them forming a pattern doesn't make too much sense.
00:24:260 (9) - That hitsound seemed a bit out of place haah

00:33:275 (5,6,7,8,9) - Hmm, I like the patterns before but here you somehow drifted away from cleanliness into some pretty random things imo. Could you put some more logic behind those?
00:36:539 (10,2,4) - This is a cool idea, but I'm sure you can do it better (overlaps, etc.00:32:187 (2,4,10) - looked cleaner)

00:38:560 (1) - this part is very well done (until 00:58:146 (1) - ) just some few things:
00:50:995 (3) - NC
00:54:104 (1) - Spacing here should be bigger. Maybe work with CTRL + G and 00:54:415 (2) -

01:12:761 (1) - The hitsounds in this part are pretty overused. Better to use a less amount of finishes, but some that really emphasize stuff well.
01:21:777 (1,1) - unsnapped

01:22:710 (1) - Hmm in this part you should definitely add some drum hitsound maybe, or some custom ones for the constant boom-sound..
If I'm honest, from 01:22:710 (1) - to 01:52:399 (4) - you should simply redo it. It will end up way better than it is now and way better than if everyone just gives input about it. You should keep in mind to keep things consistent in such a consistent songpart. If you do this, I'm sure that you will have way more benefits than from me pointing up things here. (Example: 01:39:497 (5) - why suddenly high spacing. 01:27:684 (1,2,3,4) - 01:30:171 (1,2,3,4) - Could be spaced a bit higher, and more neatly).

02:08:098 (3) - blanket

02:37:010 (1,2,3,4) - Lacks emphasis imo, you should space it more!
02:41:673 (1,2,3,4) - Same, it just seems underwhelming for what the song offers.
02:45:403 (1,2,3) - Those could perfectly form a pattern.

03:05:767 (6,7) - Why do you have a stack here? You could form some beautiful pattern following the bell sound 03:05:611 (5,6,7) - .

I'll leave it at that for now, because as you've seen, mostly it's about empahsis or pattern forming. I think if you keep this in mind and question some pattern of yours, you will definitely be able to improve this map. I'll glady give you another mod, once you've worked on it. I hope that input is enough for now, if you don't understand something just ask.

:3

Geminous wrote:

First off, holy wow
This map is really well made, it was super hard to find anything

That being said, I hardly found anything wrong with it, but I also just suck at modding, so yeah lol XD

Anyways, here you go, this is all I got

01:40:119 - 01:40:586
This pattern is really cool, but a little tough to read. You don't have to change it, it was just a lil confusing for me.

04:04:833
This spinner is too small, I would either make it longer or remove it all together.

05:48:045 and 05:48:200
These notes are a little hard to see coming, I would move them out of the way of the slider right before them.

Yup, that's it
Hope I helped at least a little bit
I would honestly love to see this map ranked though

Silver_Cr0w wrote:

[General]
Убери эти галочки, так как у тебя нет сториборда https://i.imgur.com/O59RUhD.png +

05:33:900 - здесь не нужна еще одна тайминг секция Уже было убрано

[FALL IN TRANCE]
00:32:032 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - Здесь ты сначала увеличиваешь спейсинг, а потом его совсем понижаешь, но при этом увеличиваешь ты его слишком сильно. Да, я слышу, что здесь идет нарастание звука, но зачем ты тогда понижаешь спейсинг...

Пока оставлю этот момент. Позже исправлю

00:41:358 (5) - Оверлап нехороший +

00:51:618 (2,3,4) - Советую просто сделать Ctrl+H от 00:51:151 (2,3,4) +

00:54:104 (1,2) - Ctrl+G +

00:54:726 (1,2) - Это тоже Ctrl+G, только после этого по отдельности их еще раз Ctrl+G +

01:02:814 (1) - Cлайдер очень красивый, но когда их 4 и они абсолютно одинаковые - бред, подумай над этим Сделал новые слайдеры

01:50:689 (1) - Где спейсинг +

01:52:554 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - *смотри первый пункт* - Позже

01:58:461 (3) - Оверлап - +

02:00:015 (1) - Почему так урезал спейсинг? Вернул ноту на место

02:02:347 (3,4) - Сделай гап между слайдером и нотой 1/4 и поставь ноту подальше Вроде как сделал

02:12:334 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Не уверен, но по-моему некоторые ноты не попадают в ритм, скорее всего здесь мультитайминг, а это уже не ко мне! Одна нота в начале не попадала на 1 тик. Остальное должно быть норм

02:19:912 (1) - Спейсинг поменьше +

02:37:631 (3,4,1) - Спейсинг побольше бы +

02:41:673 (1,2,3,4) - ^ +

02:44:704 (2) - Этой ноты быть не должно +

03:07:477 (5) - Спейсинг побольше +

03:09:497 (3) - Нк +

03:11:518 - Я бы сделал вот так https://i.imgur.com/uX61Pgu.png Хз. Подумаю ещё

03:15:870 (3,4) - Здесь лучше ноты вместо слайдеров Может быть. Подумаю

03:19:989 - Вот так лучше и играбельнее https://i.imgur.com/niblcGE.png +

03:22:088 (1,2,1,2) - Короткие слайдеры очень плохо смотрятся с замудреным шейпом, сделай их попроще Скорее всего нет. Они читабельны

03:25:507 (1,2) - ^ -

03:29:549 (1,2,3,4) - ^ -

03:48:824 (1) - Слишком большой джамп Немного сдвинул вверх

04:00:519 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Уже писал про подобное Починил

04:20:843 (2) - Слишком большой спейсинг +

04:32:657 (3,4,5,6,1) - Спейсинг между (3) и (4) побольше и стакни (6) с (4), а то неожиданно будет, если 3 ноты в 1/2 в стаке +

04:47:579 (1) - Тоже джамп нужно немного поменьше Пока так. Подумаю

05:07:164 (1) - Спейсинг больше Немного сдвинул

05:10:117 (8) - Можно стакнуть с 05:10:895 (1) - по приколу +

05:11:827 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - (5) и (6) Ctrl+G, а (7) как-нибудь так https://i.imgur.com/dkJpP8k.png Что-то типо того

05:18:667 - Здесь нужна нота, потому что сильный бит, а ты заканчиваешь тут слайдер +

05:23:951 (1) - Спейсинг побольше +

05:42:293 (1,2) - Ctrl+G и потом каждый по отдельности Ctrl+G +

05:47:889 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Ну тут как бы уже сам вслушивайся. Тут нет стрима, есть трещетки 1/8 +

05:49:754 (1) - А тут вместо слайдера можно было бы замапать стрим, но с лоу спейсингом Мне пока нравится слайдер с:


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