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Hanasaka Yui(CV: M.A.O) - Harumachi Clover

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Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
3,089 posts
Joined December 2014
Nao Tomori
[sharkie]
00:13:172 (1,2,3,4,5) - dude what the fuck
no

[fiery]
ok first off
00:00:284 (1,2,3,4,5) - starting the calm vocal intro with almost fullscreen jumps is a no-no..

this diff basically has similar issues as sharkie had. very poor differentiation between parts. your base spacing is more or less just a half screen jump and the entire map is mapped at that spacing, so there's no contrast between things...

while it's technically rankable... idk. feels like blatant pp mapping. getting this kind of a song to 4.7 stars without really small just feels extremely overdone to me. not the kind of thing i want to support.

about the map itself, not much to say. would be cool to have a flow direction change at 00:26:481 (1) - to fit with what you've been doing.

00:13:172 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - making a star pattern for something that's basically 3 pairs of sounds doesn't really make sense either

yea.. good luck.
fieryrage
osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II
1,402 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage
tl;dr fixed emphasis issues that i could find and reduced spacing by a bit in some areas to accommodate that, fixed repeating star pattern in favor of a more dynamic jump pattern that intensifies (albeit generic) and start is now not cancer

also adjusted OD to fit

SR didn't change much due the change in the star pattern but basically everything was tweaked to emphasize the drums properly and the intensity of them

honestly I wasn't expecting the map to get close to 4.7 stars at all especially at cs 3.5, I'm open to nerfing basically everything and the nerfs I did apparently did nothing to SR so ???????

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guess i'm gonna need more opinions on it as it stands right now

this is what i get for mapping in less than 30 minutes zzz
ZekeyHache
3,316 posts
Joined October 2009
Topic Starter
ZekeyHache
Updated~
Thanks for rechecking, Nao :D
Sharkie
343 posts
Joined May 2014
Sharkie

Naotoshi wrote:

[sharkie]
00:13:172 (1,2,3,4,5) - dude what the fuck
okay I nerfed it
no
asdf
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ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
Updated~
Some BN should come and bubble 👀
Seolv
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Seolv
WHY
ZekeyHache
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[ L u k a s ] wrote:

WHY
just because
cosmic
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cosmic
i am
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata
Harumachi Nominator here~

Maximum Clover Power

00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - This pattern could be set up a bit better. If you notice. 1>4>7 and 5>6>8 aren't equidistant in spacing. 5>8 visually looks bigger than 8>6. Try and clean up this pattern a bit or use better copy pasta xD.
00:24:791 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Angles here are just really poor imo. 00:24:791 (1,2) - Sets up a really strong counter-clockwise motion.
some ideas
00:26:481 (1) - I still think this slider is way too fast and will cause breaks xP. You're using a really high CS too. I just don't think this is a good idea.

Sharkie's Extra

00:13:172 (1,2,3) - The angle felt really sharp here.
try somethign like this to facilitate some rotational flow. leads into ur stream ebtter too!

fiery's Extra

00:01:129 (5,1) - The way you space your opening jumps makes this not seem as impactful since its the same spacing as stuff like 00:00:284 (1,2) - which is just vocals without instrumental backing.

Insane

Clean.

Mk's Light Insane

00:03:453 (2,3) - This is the only 1/2 stack you ever use... maybe make this a jump instead?
00:19:087 (1) - Doesn't seem like a necessary NC.

ReFaller's Light Insane

00:14:122 (2) - overmapped xP. It's a 7 note stream not a 9-note one, the instrument doubles on the red tick. Maybe use a kickslider instead if you want to maintain density?

Hard

00:19:932 (1,3) - Wish they overlapped perfectly. Also blanket is kinda off.

Normal

OD 4? 5 is kinda high tbh...

Easy

HP OD 2 HP 2 please. Current settings, especially OD are way too high.
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache

Monstrata wrote:

Harumachi Nominator here~

Maximum Clover Power

00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - This pattern could be set up a bit better. If you notice. 1>4>7 and 5>6>8 aren't equidistant in spacing. 5>8 visually looks bigger than 8>6. Try and clean up this pattern a bit or use better copy pasta xD. I'm not a machine to be 100% accurate, but I tried my best to improve that :eyes:
00:24:791 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Angles here are just really poor imo. 00:24:791 (1,2) - Sets up a really strong counter-clockwise motion. ok, I followed your suggestions~
some ideas
00:26:481 (1) - I still think this slider is way too fast and will cause breaks xP. You're using a really high CS too. I just don't think this is a good idea. k I reduced the speed to 1.5 like the other one xp

Hard

00:19:932 (1,3) - Wish they overlapped perfectly. Also blanket is kinda off. Made them overlap perfectly but I can't make one good blanket without ruining the other cuz of the stack xp

Normal

OD 4? 5 is kinda high tbh... applied

Easy

HP OD 2 HP 2 please. Current settings, especially OD are way too high. applied both
Thanks Monstritos!! :D
Bunnrei
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w o w g o o d b g ,
ReFaller
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ReFaller
@Monstrata There is a bass sound. I can take soft sampleset on it, deal?
fieryrage
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fieryrage
fixed monstrata's concern wew
also made 00:13:172 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - these jumps flow a bit better which apparently increased SR somehow nice pp system
i still think top diff should be od 9 cuz of sharkie's diff

fix
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Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata
Yea agree with fieryrage. OD 9 on top diff?

@Refaller - fine sure.
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
k
~updated fiery's diff
~applied OD9 on the highest diff
~updated ReFaller's diff

*waiting for Sharkie and MkGuh's updates
ReFaller
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ReFaller
I told ezek to do it so.
Lilyanna
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Lilyanna
wait wtf is happening XD ezek did u map this while u were drunk lmao
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache

Lilyanna wrote:

wait wtf is happening XD ezek did u map this while u were drunk lmao
I mapped it while sleepwalking
Mekki
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Joined November 2014
Mekki
stack is fine
ZekeyHache
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Joined October 2009
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ZekeyHache
fixed the nc for mkguh

now just waiting for shark boi
Sharkie
343 posts
Joined May 2014
Sharkie

Monstrata wrote:

Sharkie's Extra

00:13:172 (1,2,3) - The angle felt really sharp here.
agree
try somethign like this to facilitate some rotational flow. leads into ur stream ebtter too!

im gay
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ZekeyHache
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Topic Starter
ZekeyHache
thnx u r the best gay shark in zawarudo

updated~
Lilyanna
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Lilyanna
sleepmapping
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Joined May 2013
Monstrata
sleepbubble
ZekeyHache
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Joined October 2009
Topic Starter
ZekeyHache
sleepthanking
ReFaller
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ReFaller
sleepsleeping
Gordon123
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Joined June 2013
Gordon123
onime O:
Voli
811 posts
Joined April 2013
Voli
Hello, I deem the map not ready for ranking in its current state.

Maximum Clover Power

Unclear accentuation of the music

  1. 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Patterns such as this one don't seem to follow much in the music. They're spaced all roughly the same, they do not really make a concrete shape and do not accentuate anything. When everything is spaced in a similar manner, nothing stands out and the pattern becomes very bland to play.
  2. 00:03:453 (2,3,4,5,6) - Here you seem to start emphasizing the claps unlike your previous pattern - but one measure later you omit those from your accentuations again at 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4) - .
  3. 00:10:003 (2,3,4,5,6) - Pattern separation seems to be wrong here. You used the same spacing for 00:09:791 (1,2,3) - when 00:10:214 (3) - has the strongest vocal and a clap (both of which you accentuated at some point in the map, but omitted here)
  4. 00:13:172 (1,2,3,4,5) - The same goes for this pattern - all notes are spaced the same when there is a clear difference in intensity as there are finishes on some notes.
  5. Issues may repeat themselves.
Gameplay elements

  1. 00:07:045 (3,4,5) - This angle plays very abruptly, is overspaced and the movement feels forced.
  2. 00:08:101 (1,2,3,4) - This part suddenly uses a lot of consecutive sliders when, looking at your previous patterns, the map seemed to be very circle-based before.
  3. 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The wide angles here come as a suprise - you used mostly snappy angles before. If you compare it to 00:18:242 (1,2,3,4) - , this one is a ton harder to play both in spacing and movement, even though they are the same in the song.
  4. Issues may repeat themselves.
Other than that, CS6,5 on the top diff feels very forced and seems to be added for no other reason than sheer difficulty and the map does not very well support this gimmick - angles with very harsh movements such as 00:06:834 (2,3) - and 00:22:256 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - and 00:24:580 (8,1) - play very unnatural with such small circles since the likelihood of slipping out of sliders accidentally is increased a lot the higher the CS gets.

I don't think the BG on the top diff fits. It has nothing to do with OneRoom as far as I can see.

Due to above reasoning, I'm placing a veto on this map. This means the mapset can not be rebubbled by Monstrata and can only be overruled by a third BN.
Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
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Joined December 2014
Nao Tomori
Dude just drop the pretense and say you vetoed cuz of the song xD
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
@voli I wouldn't consider 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) to be wide angles, just saying.
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some more stuff

00:27:115 (3) - shouldn't this be a clap instead of normal sampleset? Looking at the way the rest of the section was hitsounded

00:24:791 (1) - The spacing of this specifically seemed a tad too high compared to the spacing of the rest of the map

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Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
You can't veto a map without hearing the other person's side first. What if they fix everything you considered an issue? Don't make this a repeat of Alien... A veto happens when you and the mapper are unable to agree on something.
fieryrage
osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II
1,402 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage
i agree with the bg tho

i was already against having it to begin with because of LOL Furry haitai MEME XD and its just why please don't

as for unnatural movement or unplayability i mean it felt pretty natural to me if not a bit old-style (ie 2012-ish mapping), i don't see how that's bad though
BOUYAAA
396 posts
Joined July 2010
BOUYAAA
I have way more trouble hitting giant jumps than any of the unnatural movements mentionned which btw are totally fine even for a garbage player like me

hey nice song!!!
ZekeyHache
3,316 posts
Joined October 2009
Topic Starter
ZekeyHache

Beatmap Nominator wrote:

Hello, I deem the map not ready for ranking in its current state. Hello there~

Maximum Clover Power

Unclear accentuation of the music

  1. 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Patterns such as this one don't seem to follow much in the music. They're spaced all roughly the same, they do not really make a concrete shape and do not accentuate anything. When everything is spaced in a similar manner, nothing stands out and the pattern becomes very bland to play.
  2. 00:03:453 (2,3,4,5,6) - Here you seem to start emphasizing the claps unlike your previous pattern - but one measure later you omit those from your accentuations again at 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4) - . Ok, here I'm replying for this point and the one from above~ I see you're a newer mapper (and BN), and I'm an old guy, so we have different perspectives in mapping. As an old mapper I prefer to not concentrate much on individual note spacing depending on the intensity and I rather organize the objects in certain patterns. 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - In this pattern I am taking the stronger vocals as a whole, hence the similar spacing within it. 00:03:453 (2,3,4,5,6) - Here, yeah, I switched to emphasizing the claps, but don't think it was random decision. In this place the vocals are not as relevant as in 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - imo, so I decided to add some variety on what I'm following to make the map more interesting to play. 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4) - Here, again I am starting to follow the strongest vocals like in the first pattern mentioned (new stanza). Then, as you can see, I switch my focus differently in the next measure just like in the previous patterns.
  3. 00:10:003 (2,3,4,5,6) - Pattern separation seems to be wrong here. You used the same spacing for 00:09:791 (1,2,3) - when 00:10:214 (3) - has the strongest vocal and a clap (both of which you accentuated at some point in the map, but omitted here) You're right on this one, fixed~
  4. 00:13:172 (1,2,3,4,5) - The same goes for this pattern - all notes are spaced the same when there is a clear difference in intensity as there are finishes on some notes. As you can hear, besides the intensity-varying instruments, there's also the vocals of the artist screaming, which become relevant for me, and as you already know by this point of my reply, when important vocals come, I decide to map them as a whole rather than focusing on single object spacing, hence the pattern (a clear shape made from all those strong vocals unifies them as a whole). But I also thought about the strong instrumental part, that's why I also increased the spacing significantly in this pattern. It's just a different way of what you prefer to follow the music on a personal level, so please understand that not everyone will map the same, and that's okay.
  5. Issues may repeat themselves.
Gameplay elements

  1. 00:07:045 (3,4,5) - This angle plays very abruptly, is overspaced and the movement feels forced. My testplayers didn't have problems with it.
  2. 00:08:101 (1,2,3,4) - This part suddenly uses a lot of consecutive sliders when, looking at your previous patterns, the map seemed to be very circle-based before. This is the last starting part of the vocals before the big star-shaped jumps, so I'm making some contrast with it, plus it should help players to rest a tiny bit before the mentioned jumps.Another thing I wanna add is that the vocals even sound quite different from previous patterns. I don't see this small variation as something bad; yes, it's being inconsistent in the matter of the objects used, but it has a purpose to be that way.
  3. 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The wide angles here come as a suprise - you used mostly snappy angles before. If you compare it to 00:18:242 (1,2,3,4) - , this one is a ton harder to play both in spacing and movement, even though they are the same in the song. There are absolutely no issues with this. I don't think of these as wide angles, and neither Kisses, as you can see from his post lul. Also, I made the jumps a bit larger than previous patterns because this is pretty much the climax of the song and I want players to get that feeling.
  4. Issues may repeat themselves.
Other than that, CS6,5 on the top diff feels very forced and seems to be added for no other reason than sheer difficulty and the map does not very well support this gimmick - angles with very harsh movements such as 00:06:834 (2,3) - and 00:22:256 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - and 00:24:580 (8,1) - play very unnatural with such small circles since the likelihood of slipping out of sliders accidentally is increased a lot the higher the CS gets. Not an issue, as you can see even a couple of people took their time to post about this. It plays just fine. About the CS, that's pretty much more personal and I mapped the song with it since I started the diff, it's nothing that I forced later just for the sake of increasing difficulty and I made my patterns based on this CS.

I don't think the BG on the top diff fits. It has nothing to do with OneRoom as far as I can see. I feel like the bg fits on a personal level, and as the mapper I wish to keep it. You see, you can hear cute young voices in the song, and when I hear those voices I can think of the characters in the current background of the highest diff performing this song. Well, that's how I see things. You know, I used to have this background for all the difficulties, but I left it just for the highest difficulty so the set doesn't feel random overall; this shouldn't be an issue now.

Due to above reasoning, I'm placing a veto on this map. This means the mapset can not be rebubbled by Monstrata and can only be overruled by a third BN.
As Monstrata said, you just placed a veto even before I could even reply to your mod; not knowing whether I was going to either accept or reject all of your suggestions/"issues" . You didn't give me a chance to breathe or tell you if I agreed with your reasoning. It felt somewhat agressive and rushed tbh. Sadly, this makes me believe Naotoshi's statement below your post is actually right. It is not only that, but also because of the fact that you posted this earlier on this thread, which looks quite negative and against the song, not the map. I hope my thoughts about this are wrong and this is not the truth because this is not a suitable behavior for someone in your current position and we all should be friends in this game. Despite this, thank you for taking some of your time to have a look at my map and express your concerns.

Kisses wrote:

@voli I wouldn't consider 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) to be wide angles, just saying.
[]
some more stuff

00:27:115 (3) - shouldn't this be a clap instead of normal sampleset? Looking at the way the rest of the section was hitsounded Yes but no, while it is true that this normally would be a clap, I decided to use a normal sampleset to make it stand out from the surrounding objects with the same hitsound (clap), plus it is the last kind of this sound in the song, so I want it to be special (that's why this is consistent on the rest of the diffs)

00:24:791 (1) - The spacing of this specifically seemed a tad too high compared to the spacing of the rest of the map it's for emphasis in the scream+strong instrument, which is also something that stands out quite a lot compared to the rest of the song~

[]
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Thanks for checking! \:D/

Updated the map with that one thing on blue I agreed with~
Voli
811 posts
Joined April 2013
Voli
As per further clarification.

  1. 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You justify these patterns by saying you incorporate all of these notes into one ''general intensity'' kind of pattern. That does kind of contrast with the way other parts of your map are done (for example you put heavy accentuation on ''individual'' clap sounds 00:03:453 (2,6) -, 00:10:214 (3) - etc. ). Besides that, I feel there are many better ways to express this part 00:01:341 (1,2,3) -. Rather than incorporating two different vocal sections into one big star-like pattern, you could more clearly define the latter part of the vocals as you did in these kind of patterns 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - .
  2. 00:03:453 (2,3,4,5) - Yes, you switched to claps here, but the problem is that you expressed this pattern exactly the same as your patterns that follow the vocals. That, in my opinion, makes little sense and doesn't clearly outline a concept besides ''use squares whenever you don't know what to do''. Besides, I don't really understand the choice for a square pattern here either way since these notes all differ in intensity.
  3. 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - You said there are no issues with this at all. I think the angle at which the pattern is placed makes a half square-like thing like this 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4) - super awkward to play. Even more so because the latter part again isn't clearly defined at 00:15:707 (5,6,7) - .
  4. 00:17:186 (3,4,5) - symmetry is rather forced, you map to vocals with this object 00:17:186 (3) - but 00:17:820 (5) - focuses on something completely different.
  5. 00:22:256 (4,5,6) - These triples throughout the map and the angles you placed them on (you first have to move your cursor all the way to the bottom and then make a reverse motion upwards again) feel way too overemphasized for the soft percussion they represent. You said your testplayers didn't have problems with it, which isn't really a strong argument on its own, but apart from that I also think it could be better from a design perspective.

ezek wrote:

As Monstrata said, you just placed a veto even before I could even reply to your mod; not knowing whether I was going to either accept or reject all of your suggestions/"issues" . You didn't give me a chance to breathe or tell you if I agreed with your reasoning. It felt somewhat agressive and rushed tbh. Sadly, this makes me believe Naotoshi's statement below your post is actually right. It is not only that, but also because of the fact that you posted this earlier on this thread, which looks quite negative and against the song, not the map. I hope my thoughts about this are wrong and this is not the truth because this is not a suitable behavior for someone in your current position and we all should be friends in this game. Despite this, thank you for taking some of your time to have a look at my map and express your concerns.
A veto is simply a preemptive measure BNs can take (as of now, rip moddingv2?) when they feel a bubble was placed too rashly. As I can point out design flaws in nearly every single pattern of the top difficulty of this 30 second-long map, it leads me to believe that I acted accordingly. As for your questioning of my motive, it's not a secret to anyone that this song has been mapped and ranked countless times already in the past few months. To keep the game's content fresh and not repetitive, I personally think that if you, as a game, keep releasing the same content over and over again, it should be held to quite a higher standard than previous iterations. The community has expressed their discomfort and concerns about this song being continuously ranked already and I think we (as BNs) should actively participate in upholding the quality of said content. That said, in my opinion, slapping cs6,5 onto a map like this doesn't really contribute to that either.
Weber
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Joined May 2015
Weber
I'd argue that the visual difference between the OneRoom bg and the furry bg is uh, pretty substantial, even if you discount the actual irrelevance, doesn't seem appropriate just because you think "oh these sound like these characters in my head" while still using a bg from the actual source material in the other diffs. Go all or nothing, because having both makes the top diff look HORRENDOUSLY out of place.

Also, why didn't you use the furry bg for all of your diffs if that's what you visualize when listening to it?
Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
3,089 posts
Joined December 2014
Nao Tomori
i do agree with my previous statement about the bg, and yea vetoing a map cuz you don't like the song is pretty stupid imo :p

anyway if sharkie and fiery are willing to seriously revamp their diffs i would be willing to help out, since the song isn't changing voli isn't gonna remove his veto.
Chromoxx
904 posts
Joined August 2012
Chromoxx
I approve of the bg
ZekeyHache
3,316 posts
Joined October 2009
Topic Starter
ZekeyHache

Beatmap Nominator wrote:

As per further clarification.

  1. 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You justify these patterns by saying you incorporate all of these notes into one ''general intensity'' kind of pattern. That does kind of contrast with the way other parts of your map are done (for example you put heavy accentuation on ''individual'' clap sounds 00:03:453 (2,6) -, 00:10:214 (3) - etc. ). Besides that, I feel there are many better ways to express this part 00:01:341 (1,2,3) -. Rather than incorporating two different vocal sections into one big star-like pattern, you could more clearly define the latter part of the vocals as you did in these kind of patterns 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - . 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is just a variation I'm using to make the map feel more dynamic, as you can see I used. So basically 00:01:341 (1,2,3,4,5) - first verse, mapped vocals as a whole~ 00:04:721 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - second verse, created some sense of progression in the strength of the vocals. It repeats itself~ 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - first verse, objects have similar spacing and forming a shape, mapped as a whole, then 00:18:242 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - second verse again, same concept. This is like.. very easy to understand and I was consistent with my concept. It's obvious that I mapped it this way on purpose because that's how I want to make a fun dynamic map but also not ruining what is the representation of the song from my perspective.
  2. 00:03:453 (2,3,4,5) - Yes, you switched to claps here, but the problem is that you expressed this pattern exactly the same as your patterns that follow the vocals. That, in my opinion, makes little sense and doesn't clearly outline a concept besides ''use squares whenever you don't know what to do''. Besides, I don't really understand the choice for a square pattern here either way since these notes all differ in intensity. I believe I have explained this already.
  3. 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - You said there are no issues with this at all. I think the angle at which the pattern is placed makes a half square-like thing like this 00:14:862 (1,2,3,4) - super awkward to play. Even more so because the latter part again isn't clearly defined at 00:15:707 (5,6,7) - . Some experienced players already let us know that this is fine. Well, now on the matter of the square-like thing you meantioned, this is no square at all, they're pretty much two triangles made by 1 2 3 and 4 5 6, then I'm using 7 to transition to the next measure that starts with a stack of notes starting with 8 (plus makes the whole pattern feel more complete as it fills a gap just like 5 does).
  4. 00:17:186 (3,4,5) - symmetry is rather forced, you map to vocals with this object 00:17:186 (3) - but 00:17:820 (5) - focuses on something completely different. 00:17:186 (3) - starts on a strong vocal and 00:17:820 (5) - starts on a strong instrument, which imo is a good way to transition from vocals to instruments, especially when there are no more vocals in this measure and there are a lot of circles coming ahead~ I feel the map would feel more unbalanced if I decided to use more circles in this measure.
  5. 00:22:256 (4,5,6) - These triples throughout the map and the angles you placed them on (you first have to move your cursor all the way to the bottom and then make a reverse motion upwards again) feel way too overemphasized for the soft percussion they represent. You said your testplayers didn't have problems with it, which isn't really a strong argument on its own, but apart from that I also think it could be better from a design perspective. Come on, this is cs6.5 and the jump is not really that big how you make it sound with the word "overemphasized". The point of the map is not to be super friendly and just make everyone able to fc at first attempt lol, and the fact that testplayers didn't have problem is a fine reason since well... players are not having issues and those are the people who are going to play the map after all. Well, aside of the players being okay with it, I already declined with my own belief.

ezek wrote:

As Monstrata said, you just placed a veto even before I could even reply to your mod; not knowing whether I was going to either accept or reject all of your suggestions/"issues" . You didn't give me a chance to breathe or tell you if I agreed with your reasoning. It felt somewhat agressive and rushed tbh. Sadly, this makes me believe Naotoshi's statement below your post is actually right. It is not only that, but also because of the fact that you posted this earlier on this thread, which looks quite negative and against the song, not the map. I hope my thoughts about this are wrong and this is not the truth because this is not a suitable behavior for someone in your current position and we all should be friends in this game. Despite this, thank you for taking some of your time to have a look at my map and express your concerns.
A veto is simply a preemptive measure BNs can take (as of now, rip moddingv2?) when they feel a bubble was placed too rashly. As I can point out design flaws in nearly every single pattern of the top difficulty of this 30 second-long map, it leads me to believe that I acted accordingly. As for your questioning of my motive, it's not a secret to anyone that this song has been mapped and ranked countless times already in the past few months. To keep the game's content fresh and not repetitive, I personally think that if you, as a game, keep releasing the same content over and over again, it should be held to quite a higher standard than previous iterations. The community has expressed their discomfort and concerns about this song being continuously ranked already and I think we (as BNs) should actively participate in upholding the quality of said content. That said, in my opinion, slapping cs6,5 onto a map like this doesn't really contribute to that either.
Well, it seems we do not agree because we see the map differently. I, as the mapper, have explained the reasons why my map is made this way on the subjects that you believe are "flaws", which are not. All of your suggestions/flaws that you point out are against my ideas, so following them will ruin what I created on purpose. Also, CS is pretty subjective; it is a personal choice, just like psihi with his big circle sizes, so this being mentioned as an issue is pretty much irrelevant (get the joke? irre-levant and we're talking a bout a small cs, ye? irre hahaha.. ok no). Also, it is a nice addition to the game's ranked content since there is no other ranked harumachi with CS 6.5 on it. It is okay if you want to keep your veto; you were chosen as a beatmap nominator after all and you have all the right to keep it even if I don't believe you are right. And again, thank you very much for taking some of your time to give map map a check, even if I don't agree with your concerns, I really appreciate the gesture.

Weber wrote:

I'd argue that the visual difference between the OneRoom bg and the furry bg is uh, pretty substantial, even if you discount the actual irrelevance, doesn't seem appropriate just because you think "oh these sound like these characters in my head" while still using a bg from the actual source material in the other diffs. Go all or nothing, because having both makes the top diff look HORRENDOUSLY out of place.

Also, why didn't you use the furry bg for all of your diffs if that's what you visualize when listening to it?
I already explained why I decided to keep this background just in the highest diff; however this popular concern is annoying me now, so yeah, I will leave this background for some other map in the future.

In other words, I've applied the anime background on the highest diff.

Naotoshi wrote:

i do agree with my previous statement about the bg, and yea vetoing a map cuz you don't like the song is pretty stupid imo :p

anyway if sharkie and fiery are willing to seriously revamp their diffs i would be willing to help out, since the song isn't changing voli isn't gonna remove his veto.
Thank you very much for your interest in pushing this beatmap set forward, Naotoshi. If you have concerns about my guests' difficulties, feel free to talk with my guests about them.

Chromoxx wrote:

I approve of the bg
*sarcasm intensifies*
Chromoxx
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Chromoxx
p/5924058 neverforget ;w;
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