Best of luck ranking this map ^^.
This was the most helpful mod that this mapset has received to date. Thank you!Monstrata wrote:
Mun's Expert
00:06:992 (1,2,3) - Why the sudden change in structure here? I don't see much of a change in structure here at all, aside from that which the music merits as it transitions into the next section.
00:11:360 (3,4) - Why stack? :S that would be because i am bad
00:21:044 (5,6) - Why the huge 1/4 jump here xp see above
00:25:980 (1,4) - Can you not overlap? lmao u got it
00:35:854 (3,4,5) - This just looks bad cuz its a different visual structure compared to just an object before. Two competing grid structures end up causing structural inconsistenties Thanks for the input! I'd like more feedback on whether the change is acceptable if possible, though
00:47:626 (2,3,4) - Why are they so close together they touch like that xd. your cs is high enough xd unclosened
00:49:525 (3,1) - Looks off visually xP make more symmetrical or something. symmetricized
lol xd lol
You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different. Look at Shizuku's approach if you want a good idea of how to properly implement creative elements.
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Because mapping basic stuff is boring and not originalSnowNiNo_ wrote:
why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:
Monstrata wrote:
Shizuku's Extra
00:10:791 (1,1) - Stacks Whoops, no one saw that one
00:25:411 - Don't understand why you dont map this. But i can understand every other part. it's just here theres also the insturment didn't feel the need to add a note since I mostly follow the percussion instruments
This is great. This is how you should map a gimmick honestly. There are overlapping/stacking/hard to read patterns but they are really well integrated. you have a baseline that is "normal" mapping so when you switch to sections that are different, they feel unique and special. Good job! Coming from you, it's a really nice thing to say. Considering for the past 2 years, you hated my mapping style since it didn't make sense at all. It's good to see that comment from you because that's when I know that I improved on mapping, even though it took so long to do so.
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tbh i really can't understand doubles here too, even if i listen closely i don't get it. moving 3 at the white tick would make much more sense to meMirash wrote:
@Hobbes2 if you listen closely, sounds in music start at 00:21:423 (1) - and end on 00:21:803 (4) - while it could be a stream because of strong tomb, i find the way doublets represent that sounds more appropriate here, if i'm not a total retard. i might change it though, if someone actually will convince me with something more than WHYWHYWHYitIsOvermap
also got very tilted because of discussions i've seen, thanks
when did this become a thing ? thoses streams emphasize or express nothing in the song, i don't get it, why is this even a thingNet0 wrote:
while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms
Agree with Nino here..Jounzan wrote:
Because mapping basic stuff is boring and not originalSnowNiNo_ wrote:
why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:
Delis wrote:
>u<
That was my bad! Restored.Delis wrote:
I've never been mapping just to make every circle sense btw maybe not a good thing to tell someone what to do by your words >u<
p.s. my post with the fixed .osu is deleted holy shit
...right no wonder mapping meta sucks nice mentality you got thereNet0 wrote:
but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
VINXIS wrote:
meh monstrata isnt wrong in the mod
i think most of the mappers' efforts in this set r trying to be 2 creative which led them to obscure the image of their own map
chainpullz wrote:
I too was there for Monstrata's stream and while he may not have gone start to finish on every diff, there are like a dozens diffs on this set so it still ended up costing an hour of his time to go over what he did.
I'm usually a fan of edgy mapping (hanzer x irre eastbound & down is one of my favorites) but when the tone of the song itself is the exact opposite of edgy it has the same cringe feeling as a bunch of middle schoolers trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.
This is just a first impression (opinion) from seeing the maps on his stream so take it as you will (though I do hope you at least take a moment to ask yourself why it had to be this song that you mapped like this).
You guys do know that any personal comments about me as a mapper are totally irrelevant right? You can think whatever you want, as long as you're not discussing the map itself, I don't care. So in case you case you want to comment anything about any diff, that's what you should do. Like Linada doesn't agree with a specific concept used in one of the diffs, that's how you make you point. Not generically saying "yo you're not hanzer!", "you're inexperienced", "you can't map this song in x-y way of mapping, this song can only be done with z mapping, etc" this are not valid points because you're just pointing out your own personal perspectives about mapping itself or me as a mapper rather than discussing the mapset, which is the goal of this thread.Kisses wrote:
Imho I see you as quite an inexperienced mapper (dw I suck too) and whenever someone critisizes one of your maps, or just don't agree with certain aspects, you get really defensive and start bringing up loads of other maps in retaliation, and that doesn't really help much. I think if you were to truly take a step back with some humility, try out a few things other modders have brought up, you'd go a long way, not just improving your individual maps but also improving as a mapper as well
1- The reason all of you prefer Shizuku-'s diff I already explained before in the reply of Monstrata (which seems that he would rather just ignore) But I'll explain again even tho I might sound too pretentious.Sotarks wrote:
If you guys really want to be original just make original maps on original songs. But this is just my opinion tho.
This summons up my point.Jounzan wrote:
I mean this thread is lol. Would it work as a something worth discussion if i come to a random map thread and say something like "this map is too generic and it doesnt fits the song"? Can you quit this nonsence, and instead point everyhing you find unfittig by examples, because saying u pepel try two hard to be creative and song doesnt support it is straight retarded in case why on earth you think people will agree with your opinions when obviously liking other kind of stuff than you do lol im mad
Xexxar wrote:
top diff:
00:25:411 - ... why did you ignore this beat? i cannot fathom a reason for why this is ignored. Can you explain this?(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)One object mentioned = yeah not ready for rank. Good old Xexxar :3Net0 wrote:
00:25:411 - Why isn't this mapped tho lol... It's a piano sound with no percussion; Also there's a rhythm construction here; 00:24:651 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - first you have the gap idea that should come up with all groups 00:24:651 (1,2) - /00:25:220 (3,4) - /00:25:980 (1,2) - /00:26:740 (1,2) - second, you have an increasing singletap objects groupíng from 2 00:25:031 (2,3) - to 3 00:25:601 (4,5,1,2,3,1) - to 400:27:120 (2,3,4,1) - which helps building up a bit more of tension in this section
Nice sarcasm, but don't quote me without the full context of it;rakuenslove wrote:
--nostalgic diff
you emphasize 00:32:056 (1) with distance - but not 00:31:297 (1) - or 00:32:816 (1) - or 00:33:765 (1) -
00:42:879 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:45:917 (1) - ^
You're comparing 3 distinct sounds there; the object emphasized with distance there is this one 00:32:056 (1) - as you said it has bigger spacing so the similar one is also spaced emphasized right here 00:30:727 (1) - , even tho leniency makes this a bit less spacing intense 00:30:348 (3) - they're still similar, you can't compare those to 00:31:297 (1) - /00:32:816 (1) - they're similar but if you check the pattern you can notice I treated them differently. Also 00:33:196 (1,1) - saying this 1/4 gap is not emphasized is just lol
00:36:803 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this feels honestly so weird to play and hear , why not map only voice or instrumentals ? ;f this is just an opinion tho
Sliders for dense vocal lines and circles to keep the rhythm along percussion? fuan ni naru kedo all are mapped with sliders and since the "do" line is bigger and mapped a reverse slider to change the flow since I'd use sliders for percussion afterwards 00:38:892 (1,2,1,1) - that's also the reason I changed combo colors there.
00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - xd
this basically has 0 sense and doesn't hint at anything coming into the map, the song doesn't even change here so I assume you had a missclick and moved the circles a little bit too far so maybe fix?
not sure what happend to the map past 1 minute
Wow posting pishifat video as argument, let's see if you watched the video and really mod the map accordingly;
spacing with jumps: spacing shouldn't be random, and must be according to the songs intensity;
More intense section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - with 00:18:765 (2,1) - having bigger spacing compared to 00:18:955 (1,2) - compared to 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - with less contrast between the intensity of 1-2 connections to 2-1, so the spacing is accordingly, repeated element 00:20:094 (1,2,1,2) - when the song repeats itself
visuals with jumps; 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - highlight and observe, try to understand before getting all sarcastic
flow with jumps; "By continuosly using one type of flow throught one section of the song jumps can represent that section's repeated elements, and when the song change, flow change as well;
00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - snap/angular flow with increasing and decreasing spacing according to the hitsounding/music interpretation
00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - Linear motion with wide angles and a bit of a decreased spacing
There's also an element he didn't mention in the video;
positioning with jumps; objects with bigger contrast between 1-2 and 2-1 spacing are on the edges of the playfield while the ones with smaller are more on the middle 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - , objects with snare are upwards compared to the ones that are not, etc......right no wonder mapping meta sucks nice mentality you got thereNet0 wrote:
but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
this is on the maps front page btw
I didn't change anything but thanks for the mod.Net0 wrote:
Monstrata wrote:
Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... I feel that way about a lot of maps out there, but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
Ué, eu to dando reply normalmente nos mods que chegaram na thread x.xNecroluttah wrote:
ouçam os bn gente, nenhum deles tão dizendo isso pra atacar
é pra ajudar
You post a mod full of sarcasmrakuenslove wrote:
why did i waste my time you dont even understand. shame. other diffs are super nice tho
Thanks again for mod ^^rakuenslove wrote:
there are 3 general portions in the song (Beggining of it) that gradually increase which I hope we can agree on,
first starting at 00:18:575 (1) -
second at 00:19:335 (1) -
third at 00:21:613 (1) -
the way you map is you choose to pick a spacing in the middle of the first jump sequence 00:18:765 (2,1) - that is basically equal/bigger to the 3rd sequence
essentially overshadowing the 2nd sequence 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
the player should have a feeling of increasing difficulty along with the song and not a feeling of relief after passing 00:18:765 (2,1) - knowing that the 2nd sequence is bassically half spacing.
but the main point that I specified in my mod is that you choose to build up the 3rd sequence(which becomes the general type of linear jump in your map) using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore, which would be okay if this part of the song was unique , but its not.
maybe visually it looks cute but that's not all there is.
it simply doesn't reflect the song properly and it doesn't feel consistent and I hope you make some sort of change, I don't want another explanation of your map. you already explained these parts over and over... try to be a bit objective.
i could understand weird spacings in this part of the map if they somehow reflected,hinted the end of the map. but they are completely different except that stream, props on it altho you should change its angle a bit
Now you're modding.
- I made changes on; 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - the spacing was reduced to that it won't overshadow 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - as the version before was, but I really want to keep the contrast between 1-2 for 2-1 bigger compared to the afterwards section. Also repositioned 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - to improve readability since I stacked the previous pattern with it.
- "using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore" They're the core of the mapping itself, they appear in the kiai a lot, but indeed comparing the initial jump section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - to the last one 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - there's a distinct amount of linear flow, being drastically reduced, so I'll make the last part have more linear sections; currently there's this 90º part 01:27:689 (1,2,3,4) - which kinda falls on the ambiguous side of wheter ppl snap or make smooth motion and this 120º 01:29:398 (1,2,3) - , but I'm also now making the star here 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - flow with linear motion, adding a bit more of consistency between the two sections.
- Since I changed the star flow, I also had to re-work the stream 01:31:107 (1,2,3,4,1) - to fit the flow better.
Nikakis wrote:
Hi Net0~
Nostalgic Festival:
- 00:06:423 (1,2,3) - : I was curious about this unexpected wide spacing comparing these 00:00:348 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:385 (1,2,3) - .The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind, so yeah, could you explain this spacing for this specific part?In my opinion, you should keep the same spacing concept for these piano sounds like in the beginning.The background rhythm change is too quiet to modify piano sounds' spacing."The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind" you already figured the reason, the rhythm itself didn't change, but song intensity did increase.
- 00:09:461 (1) - : Ctrl + G'ing this slider itself gives a better motion in my opinion. It does, but I'm not going for a confotable motion; the fact is that the slider there is unconfortable for the song change on 00:09:461 (1) - since that's when percussion starts. Basically it's most of the time uncortable moviment or high spacing for transitions; 00:18:196 (5,1) - /00:24:082 (6,1) - /00:38:132 (6,7,1) - etc
- 00:21:234 (1,2,1,2) - : Well, using the ''right to left'' motion twice in a row is too harsh.It ruins the whole natural movement of going to ''zig zag'' mode.Why don't try Ctrl + H'ing this whole part 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - ?It will a make a nice circular flow instead. I did some re-work on this section,
I was also kinda tilted a bit with it as it was after so many mod applications, so changed some stuff again to make it work more similar to how it was originally.- 00:36:234 (8) - : This distance from the slider is quiet big and uncomfortable for this kind of a lower tone vocal.For example, you could stack it on the slidertail of 00:35:284 (5) - .All right, I'll go with that ^^
- 00:48:386 (8) - : Same thing.
- 00:50:284 (5,6) - : This doesn't sound very nice.It may follow somehow the vocal's held duration but it's still weird.You could do two things;You can simply Ctrl + G them ,which im more fan of this option, or, you can delete the slider and add a circle here 00:50:664 - .Both of these ways are better in my opinion than your choice of mapping a circle + slider. Kinda hard to ctrol+g and keep the flow idea in the pattern, but hopefully fixed.
- 01:00:727 (1) - : Why so low slider velocity?0,50 SV totally underemphasizes the vocals' tone change.The vocals are completely different and lively here.I would definitely recommend you to change the slider velocity to 1,0.Did something to make it more overwhelming
- 01:12:310 (1) - : Really harsh SV change, the player will definetely sliderbreak this.well this is like something really special, and mostly SVs there are to follow and emphasize the vocal line which I perceived as the most important one in the entire song. It's a section players will have to read.
- 01:09:651 (4,5) comparing 01:21:803 (6,7) - : Could you explain me this huge spacing difference behind the second part?I really wonder They're different sections tho, but I can see where you're coming from, I increased the spacing here 01:09:651 (4,5) - since it was kinda small considering the chorus overall spacing
- 01:27:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2) - : Very, very very hard to aim.Could you nerf them a bit?Nothing really extraordinary, just jumps imo.
~Good luck!
Thanks mod, and no, I repeat, this map is not a meme. :3
We discussed this pattern; 00:32:816 (1,1,1) - was hard to read but predictable, but here 01:11:550 (1,1,1) - tho, difficulty wasn't balanced spacing/readability wise. It was decided that it was better to improve readability even if the spacing on the 1/4 gap was increased, since this also has a big spacing 01:23:702 (1,1,1) - for the 1/4 gap.fabriciorby wrote:
little irc modSPOILERcommit purpose only00:15 fabriciorby: achei q tem uns slider q dibra demaius
00:15 Net0: foi sim
00:15 Net0: opa
00:15 Net0: só falar
00:15 fabriciorby: perai
00:16 Net0: eita perai
00:16 fabriciorby: esse aqui dibra mas dps q passa ele ja da pra saber q o segundo é assim
00:16 fabriciorby: 00:33:196 (1) -
00:17 Net0: okay
00:17 fabriciorby: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:17 fabriciorby: esse aqui
00:17 fabriciorby: q eu achei q dibro mt
00:17 Net0: btfé
00:17 Net0: vou fazer assim
00:17 Net0: vou mudar esse aqui de lugar
00:18 Net0: 01:11:550 (1) -
00:18 Net0: mesmo que aumente o spacing
00:18 Net0: pra esse aqui ficar mais visivel
00:18 Net0: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:18 Net0: oq acha?
00:18 fabriciorby: 01:24:082 (1) -
00:18 fabriciorby: esse aqui é a msm coisa mas n dibra
00:18 fabriciorby: pq da pra ver o corpo entrando
00:19 fabriciorby: mas eu entendi q a ideia era deixar eles do msm tamanho msm
00:19 fabriciorby: e no outro n ta do mesmo tamanho
00:21 fabriciorby: mas eu n sei modar essa diff
00:22 Net0: Deixa eu te mostrar
00:22 Net0: https://puu.sh/y3YLX.png
00:22 Net0: ficou com aim mais difícil
00:22 Net0: so que melhorou a leitura
Just giving an opinion not trying to start an in depth discussion. Maps like these aren't worth the effort.Net0 wrote:
(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)One object mentioned = yeah not ready for rank. Good old Xexxar :3
Yeah, we should spend more time mapping songs of games related to pedophilia, I'm totally in the wrong side here.Xexxar wrote:
Maps like these aren't worth the effort.
If you have any concerns about top diff feel free to drop a mod ^^[[Pika]] wrote:
now it's a race of "which bn will turn a blind eye to top diff and bubble this" ResidentSleeper
Eu pedi pro Ataraxia autorizar colocar os circles aquiOzenIce wrote:
um modzin simples pro map
*** Easy ***
00:33:196 - nota faltando?
00:45:348 - aki tambem... se bem que os 2 juntos do mesmo jeito fica bom (se for add nota a 1, add também a outro)
Muito bom.
*** Normal = muito bom
*** Advanced = muito bom
*** Hard = MUITO bom !
-={ Insanes }=-
*** Bariton Insane
muito Ousado com os slide muito bom ! flue bem
*** Delis Insane
very good work
*** Trynna Insane
essa parte me chamou atenção : 00:55:031 (1,2,3) - boa mistura de drums com voz, ficou supimpa
as outras parte tb estão boas
-={ Extras }=-
*** Mirash
00:00:917 (1) - why too far from the other before? ... but... it may be a good effect (good to keep)
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - more notes than music .. but as an extra diff it may be accept. a nice make-up rhtythm (good to keep)
*** Shizuku-
very good work : )
*** Mun
good work too
*** Nostalgic Festival
muita ousadia com os slides tipo 00:36:803 (1,3,6,1,1) - e tipo 00:44:968 (1,1) - e 01:11:550 (1,1,1) -
parece que tão reclamando deles mas tão muito... seila... DIVINO !
e tá no extra, deviam deixar rankea...
fosse no normal ou hard td bem reclamar, mas no extra...
é DIVINO
e o q eh divino os humanos ñ entende...
boa sorte cara
e q musica boa tb