Powerless feat. kakichoco - Vanity

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celerih
Replying for myself and Real per his request

Nevo wrote:

cereal's Extra
maybe use hp6 so its not less than nao's diff Would be better of the Insane nerfed the HP a bit too, but sure I'll up it a bit
00:26:190 (5) - nc this and unnc 00:26:357 (1) - to keep consistency with 00:28:857 (1,2) - and 00:31:524 (1,2) - done
00:34:357 (3,4) - maybe dont stack these as it kinda deemphasizes 00:34:524 (4) - imo you could stack 00:34:357 (3) - to 00:34:190 (2) - to be consistent with your previous stacks like 00:31:524 (1,2) - and 00:28:857 (1,2) - and 00:26:190 (5,1) - good catch, fixed
00:43:524 (1) - you could make this a 1/2 slider and then place a circle at 00:43:857 - so the kick is clickable also because like 00:43:690 - isn't as intense of a beat ya that was a dumb rhythm choice, fixed
01:04:690 (1) - blanket on tail could be better xd done
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Nao Tomori
https://pastebin.com/raw/D1TySgNK applied


hp6 is bog standard for 180 bpm 1:30 maps so no need to change @celerih -_-
Sotarks

Nevo wrote:

Sotarks' Arrogance
maybe make od just 9 sure
00:12:690 (1) - maybe make this 2 circles to be rhythmically consistent with 00:02:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ok
00:10:857 (10) - maybe blanket didn't want to blanket here
01:01:357 (9) - spacing her could probably be lower since imo this beat isn't as intense as things like 00:45:357 (4,5) - wanna get snare emphasis
01:06:524 (9) - i get its the end of the section but the jump here shouldn't be larger spacing as kiai jumps like 01:22:690 (1,2,1,2) - or 01:31:190 (11,1) - maybe stack 01:06:524 (9) - with the head of 01:04:190 (8) - or something xd did smth
00:31:690 (6) - pretty subjective but maybe move this a little to the left so the visual spacing of 00:31:024 (4,6) - and 00:30:024 (1,3) - are the same k
00:45:690 (6) - nc here since its kinda the same thing you did at 00:24:357 (1) - ok
00:54:357 (2) - you could prob make this two circles kinda how you did 01:05:024 (2,3) - for consistency and also to reflect the vocal prefer keep here
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444,196,88523,1,4,3:0:0:0:
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Nevo
what does this button do?

Bubbled!
Pachiru
GRATZ PSIONIC ON YOUR FIRST RANKED GD !!!!!!!!!

ah ok c'est juste bubble oups
Nevo
rebubbled!
Monstrata
Since it's v1 you don't need to rebubble but make the diff settings on the lower diffs a bit more balanced? Easy and Normal are both HP 3, and AR 7 on Hard is kinda low but that's a bit more subjective.

(Also background was already used here: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/344898 if you care)
Nevo

Monstrata wrote:

Since it's v1 you don't need to rebubble but make the diff settings on the lower diffs a bit more balanced? Easy and Normal are both HP 3, and AR 7 on Hard is kinda low but that's a bit more subjective.
Monstrata brings up a pretty good point I think you should change the hp of easy to 2 sorry
Topic Starter
Kyuukai
Alright then reduced the HP to 2 on the Easy diff and increased the AR on the Hard diff to 7.5
About the background I think it's fine keeping it as it doesn't show that one when browsing the website x)
Chromoxx
cereal extra
01:20:690 (1,3) - this could be a blanket tbh
01:21:024 (2,1) - this could too

Nao's Insane
00:23:524 (1,2,3,4) - this would have a cooler effect imo if you ctrl G'ed and started it on the head of 00:24:691 (1) - instead, would also be somewhat easier identify 00:24:357 (1) -
01:06:524 - you're missing a drum here

rest looks fine lol
celerih

Chromoxx wrote:

cereal extra
01:20:690 (1,3) - this could be a blanket tbh done
01:21:024 (2,1) - this could too that's not a blanket tho??? Plus both objects are never on screen time at the same time, so blanketing would do nothing

rest looks fine lol
@kyuukai: 01:20:690 (1) - move this to x;412 y:312 pls for me. Not really worth putting an entirely new .osu for one object
Nao Tomori
1st thing would kind of screw up my stack pattern - and also i did that pattern cuz i think the 1/4 is like a faster version of 1/2 so it works nicely.
https://pastebin.com/raw/tVsfArqF update it this time plz
Topic Starter
Kyuukai
updated
Chromoxx
LOOKSGOODQUALIFIEDHEHEXD
Topic Starter
Kyuukai

Chromoxx wrote:

LOOKSGOODQUALIFIEDHEHEXD
LOOKSGOODQUALIFIEDHEHEXD
Bonsai
Have there been any mods for the (apparently very new) Psionic & Kin's Easy beside the three points from Yasaija 714 which haven't been responded to yet? Anyways, I have some major concerns about that diff:

  1. Intro section:
    1. First of all, what is the hitsounding on 00:06:690 (2,3) - 00:17:357 (2,3) supposed to follow? I almost looks like you want to emphasize the vocals here, but that doesn't work since the vocals have been completely ignored in every other aspect everywhere here. Hitsounding should compliment your mapping, so either map something different, or hitsound in a different way.
    2. Out of the eight combos in this section, seven combos use the exact same rhythm. That's extremely monotonous and boring to play, and the song has much more to offer than just that. Please try being more creative, maybe by following/including a different layer of the song that does more than just repeating itself (for example vocals).
    3. The one time you use a different rhythm here, I don't really see why. Neither 00:05:024 nor 00:05:690 seem to land on anything that you're following in your mapping, why are those beats mapped? Easy-diffs don't need to be filled with filler-rhythms, don't be afraid to offer a bit of a "rest" for the player.
    4. 00:15:524 - As Yasaija pointed out in their mod, there is nothing at all here in the song. You mapped it differently the first time that occured, why did you just repeat the other monotonous rhythm here? It doesn't fit the music at all
  2. 00:28:357 (2) - Why is this slider reversed / what is it supposed to follow? I don't hear any special note on the reversed part of the sliderbody or on the tail at 00:29:690
  3. 00:34:690 (3,4) - Rhythm-wise, these two circles are special as they're completely different to the previous rhythms and object-choices, but the hitsounding doesn't reflect that - Try using a Clap instead of the Whistle on (3) so that these two circles work better together, right now the (3) is hitsounded like an ordinary filler-note and only (4) stands out, but in the map they both stand out, which should ideally be represented in the hitsounding too.
  4. 00:43:357 (3,1,2) - The rhythmic patterning gets interrupted here, but there isn't really any indication why that happens - 00:44:690 is the first note after this extraordinary big gap between 00:43:357 (3,1) but there is no beat there at all in the song, and there isn't any hitsounding on that note either, so why is it even mapped and emphasized more than anything else because of that special, big gap before it?
  5. In the section from 00:46:024 onwards I have no clue what the rhythms are supposed to follow or represent. Just looking at 00:46:024 (1,2,3) -, this combo does clearly not follow neither piano nor drums since there are more notes of that layer ignored than mapped, and the vocals have strong emphasis on 00:47:357 and 00:47:857 which are either mapped as slidertails or not mapped at all. The following combos don't make much more sense to me either. I'd offer suggestions on how to improve it, but honestly I don't know what you where trying to go for, so please try to make that more clear in your mapping. Additionally, the hitsounding is extremely lacking again, as for example 00:47:024 (2,3) doesn't have any hitsound at all.
  6. 01:11:690 (2) - What's this slider following? So far, this section seems like you're trying to follow vocals, but the vocals have a break during the reverse of 01:10:024 (1) but start again at 01:11:190 which is also imo a much stronger note than any of the following notes, so why is there a big gap around that new vocal line, the next object (2) only emphasizing the middle of that line?
  7. 01:13:024 (1) - The tail of the previous slider and this slider go against natural beat priority without any apparent reason - At 01:12:690 there is that strong downbeat that starts a new rhythm, but you're only starting to suddenly emphasize that rhythm with the sliderhead and new combo at 01:13:024 which is offbeat (see this for some musical background (it's not the best but should give you a quick overview on what beats are naturally more important when all beats have the same sounds on them)).
  8. 01:14:024 (3) - Right after you've started to follow that bass-kick-bass-kick-rhythm you're ignoring all the beats between head and tail of this slider, why? The vocals only start at 01:13:357 -(which you didn't emphasize) and get more dense after that, but your map gets less dense bc of that slider, so it's again not recognizable what you're trying to follow here. Here's a small suggestion of how to fix this and the previous point

I'll stop here for this diff, the Kiai doesn't seem to have such big problems anymore anyways. In general, this difficulty struggles with following elements of the song in a recognizable and consistent way, and the hitsounding is mostly lacking and sometimes emphasizing beats that are neglected in the beat-placement.

I'd also like to point out a few issues in the other diffs that I've looked at:

Kyunada's Insane
  1. 00:02:357 (6,7,1) - Beat-placement here seems mixed up, the strong vocal note at 00:02:524 is also emphasized by your hitsounding but mapped with a slidertail, the same way as the completely irrelevant note at 00:03:190 -, which seems very unstructured, and not emphasizing 00:02:524 in gameplay just feels off in general - If you want to keep (6) as it is I'd suggest this in order to give the tail of (6) some meaning (instead of just being ignored in gameplay bc you're already moving to the next object) and avoiding (7)'s overlap too, or this rhythm which would give more emphasize the beats more clearly too
  2. 00:05:857 (1,2) - Why are none of these notes hitsounded, while 00:06:690 (3) has a seemingly random Whistle?
  3. Actually, your hitsounding along with what you emphasized in your beat-placement seems very messy in this whole section, there's a holding vocal note during 00:08:190 (7,8) which you mapped as circles, which gives both of 00:08:524 (8,1) much more emphasis, but both of them feel like filler-notes since they're either representing either no beat at all or just the downbeat which you ignored previously, and they're not hitsounded either, which makes it feel even more 'empty'. Even more so at 00:09:024 (2,3,4,5,6) where you're mapping a very dense chain of 1/2-notes but only hitsounding two of them. That sudden Whistle at 00:09:357 kinda seems like emphasizing that strong piano-note there, which seems arbitrary since you didn't follow the piano much at all and ignore it later in that combo too. If you want to emphasize the vocals, do that more consistently by also playing whistles at 00:09:024 and 00:10:024 -, simply following the accentuations of those vocals.
    00:17:357 (3) is just another example of seemingly random hitsounding, you used Whistles on very many vocal notes prior to that, but then you suddenly stop that and use it for piano again? Just seems very messy to me. If you want to hitsound multiple layers, try using different hitsounds for each layer, and don't only do it every now and then, but be more consistent with it, in order to make these hitsounds sounds more natural and consistent instead of random. 00:18:357 (2,3) and 00:20:690 (5) are yet some more examples of your hitsounding contradicting the emphasis of your beat-placement.
  4. 00:28:024 - 00:31:690 - Why are you making beats like these land on slidertails? You're emphasizing them by making them clickable most of the time, but here they get no emphasis at all, at the first spot they get ingored even more by 00:27:857 (2) flowing nicely into 00:28:357 (1) which makes that tail completely irrelevant in gameplay and basically makes the player have an awkwardly slow 3/2-gap where the flow continues but the distance is so low that they have to slow down during that strong beat.
  5. 00:46:024 - While I don't have anything against the idea of making this section follow drums in this way, the filler-rhythms used in this section seem very random to me - At 00:47:024 (3) you're mapping a 1/1-filler which seems very natural to me, but then you skip that at 00:49:690 and map 00:49:857 (1,2) for some reason I don't see. At 00:55:024 (1) you suddenly map that 1/1-filler again, and 00:55:524 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) is suddenly a dense cluster of notes that would make much more sense if 00:55:690 (2) wasn't mapped but like this it just feels like a-1/2-spam-chain not following much.
    Same goes for 00:57:857 (1,2) - 01:00:524 (1,2) -, after those it suddenly is very consistent for some reason o:
  6. 01:19:190 (4) - Seems weird to me to not NC notes like these where the vocals start after having a pause, whereas I don't see the reason to NC stuff like 01:20:024 (1) -
  7. 01:22:690 (7) - 01:25:690 (3) - etc feel off hitsounding-wise, they emphasize their tails very much even though those tails are otherwise irrelevant for the gameplay, and the hitsounds aren't forming very consistent patterns in general either. For spots like 01:18:024 (1,2) it seems weird that the second objects have those Whistles which would also make sense at the first object since they're both having that same beat in the song, but the Finish doesn't compensate for that hitsound at all - Originally I thought you didn't use Whistles there bc of conflicting samplesets but they're actually not conflicting lol


Sotarks' Arrogance
  1. 00:06:690 (10) - What's that hitsound which was previously used for the downbeat emphasizing here? And why are this and 00:07:024 (11) even circles/mapped? You seemed to focus on vocals very well so far, but here you're cutting 00:06:357 (9) to 1/2 just to map two circles that don't fit into your beat-structure at all
  2. 00:11:357 (11) - This circle seems lost without the usual hitsound
  3. 00:12:690 (4,6) - This is a weird mix-up of identical objects and hitsounding even though the tails should have different emphasis since you're following vocals
  4. 00:14:024 (1) - Holla what's this NC doing here
  5. 00:24:690 (1,4) - 00:27:357 (1,4) - 00:30:024 (1,4) - 00:32:690 (1,5) - etc. What is hitsounding-consistency
  6. Not a problem per se but I feel like using Normal-hitnormals as kicks at 00:25:190 - 00:26:357 - etc doesn't really work well bc those hitnormals sound like snares to me too in relation to everything else, so since the song itself already has a not-so-common pattern of kick/snare this makes it even less clear for me
  7. 00:47:357 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - 00:49:857 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 00:55:024 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,1,2) - I have a huge issue with all of those spots bc you're mixing vocals and drums together into convoluted circle-chains even though you're not emphasizing the drums at all outside of those circle-chains and rather focusing on vocals like always before. If you really want to emphasize the drums there all of a sudden, I'd advise to throw in one or two sliders whose tails land on beats where there are no drums to make that emphasize clear, otherwise it just seems like a jump-spam that doesn't follow anything in particular bc it tries to follow everything at the same time.
    Especially applies to spots/notes like 01:22:690 (1,2,1,2) where those two combos are the exact same pattern while they're mapped to completely different things that don't even have the same intensity, in this case 01:22:857 (2) is the note that completely destroys the meaning of any other notes by being emphasizing just as much, which could easily be avoided by making it a slidertail or whatever
  8. 00:54:357 - hitsound helo
    also 01:29:024 -


In conclusion, I have big quality-concerns about the Easy in general, about hitsounding in some diffs and about some focusing in the highest diff, and a lot of the set overall seems like it could've desperately needed some closer checking as there are still a lot of obvious issues left that could be fixed easily.
Topic Starter
Kyuukai

Bonsai wrote:

I'd also like to point out a few issues in the other diffs that I've looked at:

Kyunada's Insane
  1. 00:02:357 (6,7,1) - Beat-placement here seems mixed up, the strong vocal note at 00:02:524 is also emphasized by your hitsounding but mapped with a slidertail, the same way as the completely irrelevant note at 00:03:190 -, which seems very unstructured, and not emphasizing 00:02:524 in gameplay just feels off in general - If you want to keep (6) as it is I'd suggest this in order to give the tail of (6) some meaning (instead of just being ignored in gameplay bc you're already moving to the next object) and avoiding (7)'s overlap too, or this rhythm which would give more emphasize the beats more clearly too The whole intro is mapped with Distance Snapping, also, I made a break between 00:02:357 (6,7) - to follow the vocals better. 00:02:857 (7) - is different compared to 00:02:357 (6) - that's why I decided to make them separate. It's consistant through the whole intro so I don't think it's a big issue there
I'll fix the other stuff you linked on ur mod after asking for a dq, will also tell the others to reply aswell.

Thanks for your help !
pishifat
as requested
Hysteria
Kyuukai maps should stay in grave :roll:
Topic Starter
Kyuukai

Hysteria wrote:

Kyuukai maps should stay in grave :roll:
why yo so rood man :((((((((((((((
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