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can't wait to see it in ranked section :)
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Exams are over, I've stopped (for the most part) feeling terrible and finally getting back into the swing of things, it's probably best to respond to these concerns.

That being said I'm super tired rn after being out all afternoon and evening so I'll split my mod responses into two. Hopefully, I'll get to the second and more extensive bunch of issues later today. Fingers crossed.

Also database corrupted itself again totally not tilted or anything after the 15th time this has happened or whatever it is now

Maxus wrote:

[Ash's 4K Extra]
00:24:276 - 01:38:676 - 03:49:476 - having this as highest diff and ignored all these 1/8 is simply a shock tbh, i don't think it should be substituted with jumpstream and jumptrill when there isn't even any changes in music pace here. and even you still actually use 1/8 burst at 01:49:176 - , so this isn't really 1/8 free burst diff at least from what i see. I get where you're coming from, but it was more of a personal choice only to include the 1/8 where I felt the intensity of the song was the strongest (so in a sense the 1/8 use was more for emphasis than anything else). Elsewhere where the 1/8 was ignored, I instead focused on the other sounds around the drum roll. (Also the true difficulty, i.e. not abusing the hitwindows, of the 1/8 is much higher than jumpstreams or jumptrills, hence why I tried to avoid using those except when I felt I absolutely had to.)

01:08:451 (68451|3,68601|3) - I don't think there's any 1/4 here tbh, try confirmed it with others. I think this was more for the 1/4 echoes from that percussive instrument (goodness knows what the name is for that) rather than following the 1/3.

01:49:626 (109626|2,109776|0,109851|3,109926|0,110001|3) - if you try to follow vocals, the series of LNs here are
extremely awkward. i don't know what these actually supposed to follow especially the 1/4 LN.
Even if "somehow" there's something here. the fact that it follow vocal 1 at 01:49:476 - , then vocal 2 at 01:49:626 - , then something at 01:49:776 - , then vocal again at 01:50:076 - , and synth at 01:50:526 - is very mixed up with no focus that it is vague what you try to do here. This is following the bass line rather than the vocals, which do do this. Well, 4 1/4 repeats represented like this rather than an anchor.

Will mention this first, since the snap thing need to be fixed here.
And don't forget to also reply Evening's concern as well. soon (tm) hopefully insp1r3 isn't going to kill me for being so slow
Good luck.
I don't think there's anything I need/want to change at this point, so no update to send?
part 2 soon
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congratz ash you finally did it!!
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Pachiru wrote:

congratz ash you finally did it!!
Not all of it, that comes tomorrow (tm)
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<3
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soon™
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jakads diff is goooood
pls add some gfx to BG
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very soon™
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boop

after a little discussion with inspire and checking replies, this should be good to go.

also @next bn, can you check jakads diff thoroughly because im not massively comfortable checking high SR maps lol

anyway, good luck!
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JAKARE's 6K Extra

Pitch Relevance stuff:

00:34:026 (34026|4,34026|3,34176|5,34176|4) - I think it's better to make double jack out of it so you follow PR as properly as at 00:32:676 (32676|5,32676|2,32826|2,32826|5,32976|2,32976|5,33126|5,33126|2,33276|2,33276|5)

00:31:326 (31326|4,31326|1,31626|1,31626|4) - and 00:36:126 (36126|5,36126|1,36426|5,36426|1) - these have diffrent pitch and should be arranged defferently. Similar point as example: 00:34:626 (34626|4,34626|1,34926|2,34926|4) -

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01:31:176 (91176|3) - and 01:32:376 (92376|2) - have different sounds, why not to represent them differently?
same concern at 01:35:976 (95976|1) - 01:37:176 (97176|4) -

01:45:876 - I can tell you are gradually complicating it, and it's good. But here it's a little bit wrong, because these brackets 01:47:076 - are harder than 01:47:676 - so you might want to swap it, otherwise it looks weird to have hard bracket in the middle of burst and everything aftewards are easier than that


Last part is too hard problem:
I understand your style of making it harder to the end of the song but some patterns go too far .
Examples:
03:25:701 (205701|2,205701|1,205776|1,205776|2) - double jack between triple and penta, also surrounded by LN patterns might be too sudden and unplayable for player.
03:29:226 (209226|5,209226|4,209301|4,209301|5,209376|5,209376|4) - triple jack of 1/8 double LNs impossible to hit properly for player who plays 95-96% on first half of the map.
03:30:276 - same as before. Full LN of 1/4 double stair patterns.
Everything else except doublejacks are just fine.

If you say "ur just bad", I would understand, but the gup is kinda too big and first half of the song might be too easy (next> boring) for players who have no problems with last part. And for players of around my level, who can S first half but almost dies at the end it might be too harsh.

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wtf these stars XD
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Yo o/

Feerum wrote:

Please reply to all mods, same goes for everyone who has a GD here!
There is no reply to Evening's mod yet.
I have read in Ash' reply that he wanted to add it there but haven't done it yet.

As statet in the BN Rules every mod has to get a reply before a Mapset can get bubbled.
I also would like to see at least a bit of modding for the newly added highest 6K difficultie before it get's bubbled. Even when it got already some mods IRC there's a missing "proof" of it, like a chat log or something.
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you know, I feel like I completely forgot to reply to someonecrap I've been found out

So, indirect reply to evening's stuff on like the last page because navigating a quote is hard...

I feel like shooting myself for calling it this, but mazare party has that traditional structure to the song (mostly seen on osu with anime full-length versions), so there are going to be a lot of sections, like the choruses, that are similar to each other, hence they are mapped in a very similar fashion.

My "style" of mapping, if I can even call it that, focuses predominantly (essentially entirely here) on percussion and instrumental sounds, whilst completely ignoring vocals, which may be why many of the patterns look arbitrary because they aren't always that obvious what the notes are for. Perhaps it was also my mistake to try and stay away from holds here since it heavily limits what I can do, but more or less from lack of proper solo charting experience, I'm not able to implement those kinds of patterns in whilst maintaining the relatively 'clean' feel that I want to keep, thus why the chart does pretty much look like it's been converted from a single chart. By no means is this really a bad thing, it's just one way of solo charting, albeit not too interesting with songs like this.

Changes have been made in regards to the "mapping too much" to reduce pattern difficulty while still representing the things that I want it to, as well as in the large burst in the middle to clean the patterns up (which has resulted in a slight reduction in density), since the ideas presented here are things that I feel I can implement without trying to tear the chart apart (which I do believe you have suggested, though not to me).

Long story short, the 6k chart wasn't designed with anything special in mind, hence why you haven't found it so interesting. Clearly, you are now aware of jakads' presence on the mapset and hopefully that fills the void that this set seemed to have. As always, I much appreciate your concern given and time taken to look through everything.

Of course, if there are still issues you feel that should be raised, then feel free to now that this set is being pushed once more.
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Did the map just got bubbled after added a new diff which is jakads' diff without a single mod for it?

And why you even nominated it even thought you know it's not comfortable for you? It's like you just make the bases and let other to solves it for you

About metadata:
Artist: MAZARE (kradness,ななひら,Yukacco)
Romanised Artist: MAZARE (kradness,Nanahira,Yukacco)
Title: Mazare Party
Romanised Title: Mazare Party

Official website: http://kradness.jp/
Album information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwOz3IvQmWQ
More references: http://exittunes.com/detail/qwce-90005.html
Album hosted by kradness
The song is composed by: かめりあ (Camellia)




Yes, it's included whole metadata, it's not an explaintion, but it's included
Because if it's an explaintion will be like explaintion Camellia's the composer (作詞・作曲:かめりあ)
But this is whole artist name, example like other song: "Crusaders In Virtuality / Quarks(kradness×Camellia)". And making it with only Quarks made no senses due to his new album http://tandeki.extsm.com/ also have the same metadata with it. That's reference example.
And yes, I already saw the post about metadata check, but I don't really follow it tho, I wish I could ask kradness for confirmation ...
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Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Did the map just got bubbled after added a new diff which is jakads' diff without a single mod for it?

And why you even nominated it even thought you know it's not comfortable for you? It's like you just make the bases and let other to solves it for you

About metadata:
Artist: MAZARE (kradness,ななひら,Yukacco)
Romanised Artist: MAZARE (kradness,Nanahira,Yukacco)
Title: Mazare Party
Romanised Title: Mazare Party

Official website: http://kradness.jp/
Album information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwOz3IvQmWQ
More references: http://exittunes.com/detail/qwce-90005.html
Album hosted by kradness
The song is composed by: かめりあ (Camellia)




Yes, it's included whole metadata, it's not an explaintion, but it's included
Because if it's an explaintion will be like explaintion Camellia's the composer (作詞・作曲:かめりあ)
But this is whole artist name, example like other song: "Crusaders In Virtuality / Quarks(kradness×Camellia)". And making it with only Quarks made no senses due to his new album http://tandeki.extsm.com/ also have the same metadata with it. That's reference example.
And yes, I already saw the post about metadata check, but I don't really follow it tho, I wish I could ask kradness for confirmation ...
Alright, updated the metadata that matches the one in the album listed here: http://exittunes.com/detail/qwce-90005.html

Not updating this again lmao
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hi

eyes wrote:





JAKARE's 6K Extra

Pitch Relevance stuff:

00:34:026 (34026|4,34026|3,34176|5,34176|4) - I think it's better to make double jack out of it so you follow PR as properly as at 00:32:676 (32676|5,32676|2,32826|2,32826|5,32976|2,32976|5,33126|5,33126|2,33276|2,33276|5)
hmm i don't think that's too necessary
i just wanted to emphasize 00:32:676 (32676|5,32676|2,32826|2,32826|5,32976|2,32976|5,33126|5,33126|2,33276|2,33276|5) -, not the other ones


00:31:326 (31326|4,31326|1,31626|1,31626|4) - and 00:36:126 (36126|5,36126|1,36426|5,36426|1) - these have diffrent pitch and should be arranged defferently. Similar point as example: 00:34:626 (34626|4,34626|1,34926|2,34926|4) -
again, i'm not really trying to follow pitch relevance here, i feel like these are fun to play as is

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01:31:176 (91176|3) - and 01:32:376 (92376|2) - have different sounds, why not to represent them differently?
same concern at 01:35:976 (95976|1) - 01:37:176 (97176|4) -
maintaining a shield pattern overall. putting them on different column other than where the LN ends would ruin how it plays. that was completely intentional

01:45:876 - I can tell you are gradually complicating it, and it's good. But here it's a little bit wrong, because these brackets 01:47:076 - are harder than 01:47:676 - so you might want to swap it, otherwise it looks weird to have hard bracket in the middle of burst and everything aftewards are easier than that
fair point

Last part is too hard problem:
I understand your style of making it harder to the end of the song but some patterns go too far .
Examples:
03:25:701 (205701|2,205701|1,205776|1,205776|2) - double jack between triple and penta, also surrounded by LN patterns might be too sudden and unplayable for player. decreased penta to triple to remove jacks
03:29:226 (209226|5,209226|4,209301|4,209301|5,209376|5,209376|4) - triple jack of 1/8 double LNs impossible to hit properly for player who plays 95-96% on first half of the map. yeah i agree
03:30:276 - same as before. Full LN of 1/4 double stair patterns. yea nerfed
Everything else except doublejacks are just fine.

If you say "ur just bad", I would understand, but the gup is kinda too big and first half of the song might be too easy (next> boring) for players who have no problems with last part. And for players of around my level, who can S first half but almost dies at the end it might be too harsh.
I know that this is a thing, please send some more feedback if the fixed version still seems too hard
not saying to brag my skills or whatever, but keeping some sane difficulty throughout the whole difficulty is kinda tough for me, so feedbacks are very welcome

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Did the map just got bubbled after added a new diff which is jakads' diff without a single mod for it?
ikr

mod applied
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Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Did the map just got bubbled after added a new diff which is jakads' diff without a single mod for it?

And why you even nominated it even thought you know it's not comfortable for you? It's like you just make the bases and let other to solves it for you
i did check the difficulty before nominating it of course, it was just more so the fact my skills most likely dont extend that far to judge a chart of that difficulty level. its not like i just shrugged off the idea of even checking the map, i just did what i could.

regardless, it was a mistake and i apologise for it. to be extra sure, we are letting another nominator ensure its quality before letting any more nominations happen.

yeah again, sorry for the inconvenience and this should be rolling again soon
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error_exe777 wrote:

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Did the map just got bubbled after added a new diff which is jakads' diff without a single mod for it?

And why you even nominated it even thought you know it's not comfortable for you? It's like you just make the bases and let other to solves it for you
i did check the difficulty before nominating it of course, it was just more so the fact my skills most likely dont extend that far to judge a chart of that difficulty level. its not like i just shrugged off the idea of even checking the map, i just did what i could.

regardless, it was a mistake and i apologise for it. to be extra sure, we are letting another nominator ensure its quality before letting any more nominations happen.

yeah again, sorry for the inconvenience and this should be rolling again soon
If anything, this was my fault as error was relying on accurate information and communication from me. I pushed this onto him and I am the one to blame for the mistake.
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tails you suck
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me irl

ok so i'm gonna check jakads diff as per request, rest was already pretty extensively checked

[JAKARE... wait why the fuck is it jakare i don't get it]
could've just called it JAKADS' 6K PARTY! or something mate, jakare looks bad, mashing nickname with the artist ha, tho there are worse examples of diffnames I guess


god i hate this song

00:15:876 - you could really do something cool with LN releases like for example this

especially since you do use the releases kind of like that at 00:29:076 (29076|0,29226|1,29376|2,29526|3,29676|4,29976|5) - and it would be more suitable to have full hold chord to accent the power of those chords at the start y'know
image just for idea, choose something that'll play well

general meat of the first kiai - I feel like too much emphasis is given towards the stronger hits when tom triples are decently impactful too, for example instead of going 2-1-5 at 00:30:426 (30426|3,30426|0,30501|2,30576|0,30576|4,30576|3,30576|1,30576|5) - you could do 2-2-4 or 3-2-4 even and it would be more musically relevant
the 6-chords for finishes feel overboard but idk man, it feels like forced density on harder hits/finishes and not enough emphasis on the main rhythm in general

00:38:863 (38863|4) - this note is out of place, I hear what it goes for I think but this measure is pretty much tom (the clunky thing I guess) only and would be epic if it stayed like that, clear and simple

01:20:151 (80151|3,80226|4,80301|5,80376|3,80451|4,80526|5,80601|4,80676|3) - oh god this is so mean why the small trill there even exists this looks awful lmao

01:30:276 - same as intro

01:59:226 (119226|3,119226|1,119301|1,119301|3,119376|3,119376|1,119526|3,119526|1,119676|4,119676|2,119826|2,119826|4,119976|3,119976|5) - why does this to to the right when the pitch goes down

02:08:863 (128863|1) - same as 38 seconds in

actually what are the 1/8 LNs going to exactly, 37 ms LNs are going to be a pain in the ass to acc by far and large, I would really reconsider the usage of them, even 50 ms LNs are hard to acc, 1/4 LNs would be kinda ok but it's still gonna be ass so you better have good explanation for them

second kiai in general feels okay

02:09:876 - it feels like you're missing a lot of guitar that you could map in that section, there's a lot of empty space as a result and this part feels "empty" in general I guess?

02:29:976 (149976|5,149976|1,149976|0,149976|4) - hey look here you're doing 1/4 LNs

03:09:201 - hey nice uneven release


03:29:226 (209226|4,209226|5,209301|2,209301|3,209376|4,209376|5,209526|3,209526|4,209676|3,209676|2,209826|1,209826|2,209976|1,209976|0,210126|0,210126|1) - yeah while i get the aesthetic i think it plays like ass and does not work in o!m. It's a thing stepmania charters did to emphasize sounds but it works there because of no release timings, same in o2jam (kinda). This does not work well here tbh

03:41:076 - ssssame as before

03:43:176 (223176|4,223176|2) - actually what are those notes for there's like nothing here

03:50:901 (230901|1,230901|4,230976|1,230976|4) - this is so sad can we conquer the persian empire
why, you could easily just removed the LNs so you don't have a shield out of nowhere

my general gripe with the structure is as mentioned earlier, too much emphasis on the backbone of the song (1/1 hits) and not enough emphasis on the melody and rhythm making it feel like a chordfest and possibly causing the issues aforementioned in this thread about first half being too easy








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