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lcfc

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-09-06T06:16:45+00:00

Kawashiro wrote:
[lcfc]
00:06:878 (1) - how about change them to 1/2 gap circles? I don't think skip 00:07:100 - this sound by sliderend is not good way to express here. I really think only following the gradually increasing sounds gives a better feel, I didn't want to ruin it
Kiai where? added
00:51:100 (5,6) - that should have more large space. cuz it has strong sounds like 00:50:655 (2,3) - here so put jump will fit imo you're right

Thank you!

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TitleUnicode:神のまにまに
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Rizen

1,662 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Rizen 2017-09-08T10:04:34+00:00

whoops, added descaling DS to second linked timepoint

thanks!

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-09-08T14:19:48+00:00

Wow, new ranking criteria suck.
I'll remap or something when I have time.

Narcissu

1,744 posts

Joined August 2012

Narcissu 2017-09-08T14:26:02+00:00

try it http://puu.sh/xuyCC/750c312c57.mp3

[Karen's Expert]

00:35:545 (2) - drum finish ?
01:38:433 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 这个琴音在1/3，下1/4大概换个drum系的音效正常点吧，00:21:100 (1,2,3) - 也是换drum
01:21:544 (1,2,3,4) - 都加hitnormal ?
01:23:989 (4) - 我倾向放148|348 这种，分开难一点顺便包一下……话说这kiai 20秒和开头比基本没啥起伏，圈还少两个。需要remap
pp nice diff

[Insane]

01:08:655 (1,2,3) - prefcet stack!
01:28:656 (5,6,7,8) - 01:35:767 (5,6,7,8) - should be 4 or 2+2 not 3+1 like 01:21:544 (5,6,7,8) -

[Little's Normal]

http://puu.sh/xuyM4/bcab0c9e6c.jpg
01:40:211 (1) - ~~try 254|135~~

MaridiuS

878 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-09-25T19:09:13+00:00

heya a mod from idk where, but i've been told it needs mods

[karen]
00:13:100 (1) - not sure what makes you make this a none stream jump like 00:10:878 (1,2,3,4,1) - and 00:09:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - , even if you noticed something that makes it not a stream jump, I suggest you reconsider that, since if I can't notice it, than that means it really isn't needed to break the structure, right? 00:19:767 (1,2,3,4,1) - its counterpart is a stream jump
01:13:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - similar to this, even for variety sake, its too different and gives no emphasis to the strong beat to be called variety. If emphasis is being juggled, it feels unstructured, even if its for variety. 01:11:322 (1,2,3,4,1) - compared to this, the downbeat doesn't have any significant difference, it just feels empty to be given 0 spacing on it now.
01:15:322 (1) - especially this one since it's really prominent.
Reason that I've found is that you're maybe trying to make the second part of kiai more spicy with it being used consistently, but then on the end everything is stacked, please reconsider, if you're changing emphasis, then try to give in the latter parts of the kiai bigger stream jumps as a from of variety?

[lcfc]
00:05:211 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - these really stand out, same, and especially for 01:07:655 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - . Way too hard compared to the rest of the chill map without any snaps. Yeah I'd say its a form of contrast, but I don't still think its suitable for the map, as it's too chill. There are drums in every song, drums don't make the song special, the melody and vocals do, so I don't suggest giving such prominent difficulty to these drums.
00:17:989 (1,2,3,4,1) - don't really like this shape, I'd prefer it if it were a Z.
00:37:544 (8,9) - the drum rolls in the map aren't supported here, I feel empty clicking two 1/2 circles here tbh, I'd advise doing something about it.
00:58:100 - same here, they make my stomach hurt and head shake the drums.

[insane]
01:15:322 (1) - this could be given more emphasis
01:16:655 (3,4,5,6,1) - the (6) being stacked on slider ends looks cute, but it makes the pattern confusing. As the pattern already being emphasized enough, being the hardest, the overlap is a bit of an overkill. 01:31:211 (6,1) - same for this

[gidz]
00:13:100 (1,2) - ugh this looks really unfitting, straight angles and overlapping like that, ehhh feels like 2009, compared to the beautiful aesthetics you have going for this map.

Nice mapset, structured carefully, and good aesthetics throughout the difficulties. Follows the song in interesting ways, and here take a star

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-09-25T19:21:23+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
[lcfc]
00:05:211 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - these really stand out, same, and especially for 01:07:655 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - . Way too hard compared to the rest of the chill map without any snaps. Yeah I'd say its a form of contrast, but I don't still think its suitable for the map, as it's too chill. There are drums in every song, drums don't make the song special, the melody and vocals do, so I don't suggest giving such prominent difficulty to these drums. I still believe the contrast is justified. This is by far the most intense part in the song, thus I find the spike fitting. Nevertheless if more people complain about the difficulty I might try making the shapes simpler and easier to follow, but I still want them to be at least harder than the rest of the map.
00:17:989 (1,2,3,4,1) - don't really like this shape, I'd prefer it if it were a Z. Will make a detailed response below
00:37:544 (8,9) - the drum rolls in the map aren't supported here, I feel empty clicking two 1/2 circles here tbh, I'd advise doing something about it. Hmm, weird, I can hear 1/2 perfectly lol
00:58:100 - same here, they make my stomach hurt and head shake the drums. reminder not to trust my ear, changed to 1/2 circles

Alright, so for my reply about the stream shapes. The use of stream and slider shapes are definitely not random. The shape usage of the streams follow the shape usage of the sliders just before them. Examples:
00:07:767 (1) - Curved sliders
00:09:100 (1) - Curvy stream
00:09:544 (1) - Wave sliders
00:10:878 (1) - Wavy stream
00:16:655 (1) - Red-anchored sliders
00:17:989 (1) - Streams replicating the shape

Same goes for kiai. I hope my response is understandable lol, it's some random idea I randomly found out and I decided on keeping it.

Thank you for modding!

diff

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MaridiuS

878 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-09-25T21:50:55+00:00

lcfc, its cool to be 1/2 but even cooler for 1/4, like its done on higher diff xd. I mean idk, get new headphones? Don't trust your headphones.

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-09-27T08:02:31+00:00

I just don't believe it's worth emphasizing the drum rolls when I didn't do it anywhere else. I can hear them perfectly but I prefer following only the dominant beats (which are in this case the 1/2) lol, I'm not obligated to have the same rhythms as the top diff

also I bought new headphones quite recently :d

Milan-

1,473 posts

Joined August 2011

Milan- 2017-09-29T08:28:13+00:00

hi

GIDZ's Light Insane
-00:21:100 (5,6,7,1,2) - spacing is so confusing and sudden in this pattern that doesnt fit well with the rest of the map. not even during the kiai you do it, the most you do is 01:15:767 (3,4) - which is much easier. reducing 00:21:767 (7,1) - and increasing 00:21:989 (1,2) - would be fine. altho i'd personally change the rhythm to something like this http://puu.sh/xLCLS/8a4e0a157c.jpg , would make it easier and more fun to play imo.
-00:36:211 - cant really see a valid reason to undermap this much, you dont even focus in vocals during the map and especially when you compare it to combos like 00:50:433 - where you map all the instruments played

LCFC's Another
-00:20:211 (1,2,3,4) - so weird that you do this when you do the whole time circle-slider emphasis thing like 00:15:211 (2,1) - . double 1/4 would do what you want to do much better instead of (3) and (4) emphasizing nothing
-01:24:989 - 01:28:100 - 01:30:322 - why are these missing notes? seems quite unintentional cuz the whole kiai and intro you do 1/4 spam and it's not like anything changed in the song, at all. especially in the latter that is pretty noticeable and unfitting right now

Karen's Expert
-but you can't edit the .osu file that way, currently xd
-your 1/4 streams are way too similar to the 1/6 ones. more noticeable here 00:12:655 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1) - . ncs certainly help, but using a even lower distance in all the 1/6 would make everything much easier. or do like 01:37:100 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1) - , which is the other way around

lower diffs look fine

Rizen

1,662 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Rizen 2017-10-01T03:42:12+00:00

@Narcissu, applied both thanks!
Thanks for the mp3, but I think it stops too abruptedly so I don't think i'l be using it, sorry

@MaridiuS, applied the first point. For the second point, I think it should be fine since the objects already have different combo colours.

Thanks!

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-01T04:56:51+00:00

Milan- wrote:
LCFC's Another
-00:20:211 (1,2,3,4) - so weird that you do this when you do the whole time circle-slider emphasis thing like 00:15:211 (2,1) - . double 1/4 would do what you want to do much better instead of (3) and (4) emphasizing nothing I wanted to follow 00:20:655 (3,4) - these sounds too. Perhaps I should space it differently to make it more apparent? idk but I feel like these sounds should still be expressed in some way
-01:24:989 - 01:28:100 - 01:30:322 - why are these missing notes? seems quite unintentional cuz the whole kiai and intro you do 1/4 spam and it's not like anything changed in the song, at all. especially in the latter that is pretty noticeable and unfitting right now I'm following the vocals even though I agree it's noticeable in the kiai as it's the only part with vocals it feels weird adding a note following barely nothing. (barely because there is the background sound but it's really faint and what's prominent here are the vocals sooo)

Thank you for looking! If you've got any alternative suggestions to make to satisfy both of us feel free to say so.

GIDZ

1,002 posts

Joined January 2013

GIDZ 2017-10-04T15:45:15+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
[gidz]
00:13:100 (1,2) - ugh this looks really unfitting, straight angles and overlapping like that, ehhh feels like 2009, compared to the beautiful aesthetics you have going for this map. I just used linear flow lol, I wanna emphasize the repeating sounds at 00:13:322 (2,5) - Also I dun think this pattern is a problem just cuz it looks like its from 2009.

Milan- wrote:
hi

GIDZ's Light Insane
-00:21:100 (5,6,7,1,2) - spacing is so confusing and sudden in this pattern that doesnt fit well with the rest of the map. not even during the kiai you do it, the most you do is 01:15:767 (3,4) - which is much easier. reducing 00:21:767 (7,1) - and increasing 00:21:989 (1,2) - would be fine. altho i'd personally change the rhythm to something like this http://puu.sh/xLCLS/8a4e0a157c.jpg , would make it easier and more fun to play imo. I dun wanna use too many streams in light insane, I've changed and rearranged the pattern.

-00:36:211 - cant really see a valid reason to undermap this much, you dont even focus in vocals during the map and especially when you compare it to combos like 00:50:433 - where you map all the instruments played Used triplets to emphasize instruments as well

Tks for the mods~

Update

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Kanzaki H Aria

157 posts

Joined June 2011

Kanzaki H Aria 2017-10-08T15:05:37+00:00

Hi.

>_<

[Insane]

00:13:100 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - sounds like

01:29:544 (1) - more smoother for me imo.

[Karen's Expert]

01:08:655 (1,1,1) - maybe it would be unrankable? because the slider path blocked by others.

Rizen

1,662 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Rizen 2017-10-18T16:35:40+00:00

@KanpanRin
First point, current rhythm is fine as is. I wanted to make that part easy to follow because incorporating 1/6 snapping is a pain.
Second point, applied

thanks!

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-10-21T15:23:42+00:00

Kawashiro wrote:
[little]
You should change stack linency over 5. I was using low stack leniency to help players distinguish between 1/2 and 1/1 stacks.
Ranking Criteria wrote:
If stacks are used, Stack Leniency must be set high enough for 1/1 hit objects to stack. Directly overlapping hit objects cause reading problems for new players.
your current diff can't stack 1/1 gap like 00:07:322 (3,1) - here.
00:07:100 (2,3,1) - you used 1/2 gap stack and 1/1 gap stack in almost same time. Yeah, that was the purpose of low stack leniency. Unfortunately, because the new ranking criteria suck, I removed 1/2 stacks from the map, and now the 1/1 stacks look ugly.
Ranking Criteria wrote:
Stacks are acceptable, but avoid switching between 1/1 and 1/2 stacks repeatedly. This may cause reading issues for new players, since two different rhythms are visually the same.
this is just guideline but i think these stack patterns are hard to read for noobs. and, you only used 1 1/2 gap stack at 00:07:100 (2,3) - here.

Narcissu wrote:
[Little's Normal]
http://puu.sh/xuyM4/bcab0c9e6c.jpg
01:40:211 (1) - ~~try 254|135~~ I think current placement is fine.

Thanks
http://f.ttle.li/e9aT.zip

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-10-23T22:29:42+00:00

Easy

~~name change suggestion as we discussed ~~~ Actually doormat wants to give his opinion so let's wait on him first

00:13:100 (4) - ending this on the white tick would suit the song better imho as that's where the main melody lies on (the same melody that you've been following in the beginning)
00:21:544 (6) - what do you think of a circle here instead? there's quite some contrast between 00:21:100 (5,6) -
00:33:544 (4) - moving to 00:33:322 would fit the vocal layer a lot better
00:43:989 (5,6) - ctrl + g for vocal layer again? it would be nice if you just stuck to the vocals for this entire section. It would give better cohesion with parts like 00:40:433 (4,5) -
01:21:544 (2,3,4,5) - density feels a bit too high for the lowest diff even with the low bpm. Suggestion? https://i.imgur.com/IOImeC7.png
01:15:100 (3,4) - would it be possible for you to make the flow less strict by having the path of 4 go in a similar direction as 3? like you did for 01:29:322 (3,4) - and 01:36:433 (3,4) -

Little

Given the rhythm density AR 5 would suit a lot better imho. Makes it more noob friendly and the it would be detrimental for higher skilled players either

00:08:211 (2,3,4,5) - I've got nothing against the underlapping circles overall but could you possibly avoid the underlaps for the very first pattern? I just feel it would give players an easier time to recognise what's going on
00:23:767 (1) - any particular reason why the NC lengths are halved in this section?
01:23:322 (3) - what do you think about turning this into a 1/1 slider and deleting 4? There is some contrast in rhythm between 1,2 and 3,4 and it would break up the relatively high rhythm density and give players a nice pause right before the second half of the kiai. If you change this then it might be a good idea to apply it here too 01:37:544 (3) -

Patamon

Consider deleting 00:00:656 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) . It would be a bit weird to the player since the lower insanes start at 00:06:433
00:53:989 (1) - can you reduce the rhythm density here? this section is nice and calm but there is so much clicking here that it makes it no different than the other sections
00:57:989 (3) - This object doesn't need increased spacing, it's not one of the emphatic sounds like 00:57:544 (1) - and 00:57:767 (2) -
00:57:989 (3) - would you consider a 1/1 slider or something similar? It feels a bit weird that 00:57:989 (3) - and 00:58:655 (4) - have the same rhythm when they map completely different sounds
01:37:767 (5,6,7,1) - the jumps feel forced, these sounds aren't strong like your other jumps

G I D z

00:57:544 (1,2) - I get what you are going for with these jumps but could you possibly tone them down a bit? It's still quite calm in this part of the song so you don't need this much spacing to emphasise it
01:37:767 (5) - delete finish, I can't hear it within the song
nicely mapped kiai ~

Insane

00:56:211 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - any chance you could use some sliders here? I don't think full circles does this part justice,
00:54:989 (4) - deleting this would be could imo. It would omit the only 1/4 circle so you would really feel the "slowdown" effect of the song. if that makes sense
01:15:989 (4,5,1) and 01:30:211 (4,5,1) - how come you chose to use spacing this big? It feels like you've just been putting emphasis mainly on the vocals and this has really high spacing when it doesn't come across as an emphatic rhythm, more of a filler.
01:38:878 (1) - unnecessary NC?
01:38:433 (1,1) - it could be a nice idea to shorten these 1 tick to make the hitwindow between the next object a bit more comfortable. Though it's fine the way it is aswell

LCFC

00:04:100 (1) - I really disagree with this being a 1/8 kick slider, it's very unnecessary. A circle would do just fine
Consider colour haxing your 1/6 bursts like Karen has. Yes you have used contrasting spacing but colour haxing would make it that tiny bit more
distinguishable. This applies to both circles and 1/6 reverse sliders
00:25:433 (7) - same about these 1/8 kick sliders like these. It ends up grouping 00:26:212 (4,5,6) together to play like a triplet which then removes all emphasis from the sounds 00:25:433 (7,1) . Also it doesn't look that appealing and can confuse players when reading
01:38:433 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I can't hear the 1/6 in this part at all. Not only that but it's incredibly tricky and comes off as a massive difficulty spike. I guess 1/6 would be ok in a way to reflect this part of the song but if you were going to do this 4 reverse sliders would be better instead of the circles at the end. https://i.imgur.com/wnDG0O9.png

Karen

00:22:433 (3,4,1,2,1) - How about rearranging things like so? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9386291 This would give more spacing for the latter notes which I think would be more appropriate to the song
00:36:655 (3,4) - stack like your other 1/4 beats? I thought you had stacked 1/4 beats and off stacked 1/2 beats for readability
00:36:989 (5,6) - ^

[]w ~

oh can you get a source as well?

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-24T12:39:41+00:00

Kisses wrote:
LCFC
00:04:100 (1) - I really disagree with this being a 1/8 kick slider, it's very unnecessary. A circle would do just fine I believe I've used the 1/8 kickslider concept consistently across the map and I'd like to keep it that way
Consider colour haxing your 1/6 bursts like Karen has. Yes you have used contrasting spacing but colour haxing would make it that tiny bit more
distinguishable. This applies to both circles and 1/6 reverse sliders I don't feel it's nessecary as you said by yourself the spacing contrasts it, and on a bigger scale than Karen's diff (where they had identical spacing to the 1/4s).
00:25:433 (7) - same about these 1/8 kick sliders like these. It ends up grouping 00:26:212 (4,5,6) together to play like a triplet which then removes all emphasis from the sounds 00:25:433 (7,1) . Also it doesn't look that appealing and can confuse players when reading what I said above plus I preferred following both the vocals and the 1/8 in the same time and I found this way a fine one to do it
01:38:433 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I can't hear the 1/6 in this part at all. Not only that but it's incredibly tricky and comes off as a massive difficulty spike. I guess 1/6 would be ok in a way to reflect this part of the song but if you were going to do this 4 reverse sliders would be better instead of the circles at the end. https://i.imgur.com/wnDG0O9.png It's 1/6 lol but I made them reverses as I can agree with the difficulty spike at the end

Thanks Kisses!

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Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-10-24T14:29:10+00:00

[karen]
00:13:396 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - this pattern played pretty awkwardly to me due to the stack of 2,3 causing the leftward movement to stop suddenly. how about replacing 2,3 with a slider at 00:13:767 (2) - ?

00:27:767 (2,3) - 00:41:988 (2,3) - etc. think 3/4 slider works better here. you can't see the effect of a 3/4 gap like this. actually, a circle with 3/4 gap would also be cool tbh.

00:36:989 (5,6) - quad would be cute imo

01:08:655 (1,1,1) - the fact that the visual spacings are inconsistent tilts me ever so slightly

01:22:433 (1,2,3,4) - ik that it might get a bit spammy but how about 2 1/2 sliders into circles? since there's a background harp thingy

01:25:100 (1,2) - dont u always use ctrl g pattern? why 120 here lol

01:28:211 (3,4) - seems weird to break out of your nomal 1/1 > circle > 1/1 sstructure. also 1/2 spam doesnt really fit here imo.

[lcfc]
00:05:211 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - way too big of a diffspike imo. not really a very comfortable movement like the one before the kiai and also just sort of pops out of nowhere. i suggest a smaller version of what you did at 01:07:433 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - instead to introduce it.

00:18:433 (1,2,1) - isn't this way way easier than the other pattern? look at the amount of slider leniency abuse at 00:14:878 (1,2,1) - compared to this lol. try and make them a bit more similar

00:27:767 (2,3,4) - dont think this is a good way of representing the 3/4 rhythm, as i told karen. constant 1/4 gaps dont really let you highlight the fact that it is 3/4, circle + 2 circles works better.
applies on all.

01:28:100 - ?

[insane]
00:06:433 (1,1) - nice stack!!!

00:13:322 (2,3) - i think these patterns put a really weird stopping motion , moving 3 away feels nicer to me

00:22:433 (4,5) - uhh the blue tick is much stronger than the red at 00:22:544 - , u should do cicle>repeat slider instead or something

00:33:544 (5) - tbh i think a 1/1 break fits nicely here with the vocals

00:42:211 (3) - delet plz, the 3/4 vocal gets messed up so hard by this =(

01:16:655 (3,4,5,6,1) - this is actually really hard to play with the speed changes at a wide angle. could you try and space them equally instead so it plays nicer

short note about all of these: 00:09:433 (8) -
i dont think they should be there. i get that you're trying to maintain the pacing of the song and whatnot but there's a very clear pause in the vocals / melody that isn't represented well by constant 1/4 fills. if you leave a 1/2 gap it shows that nicely imo. yes this applies to all of the 8s lol

[gidz]
00:21:989 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - looks like a 1/4 gap, can u space these away a bit more?

00:25:989 (1) - imo remove nc

00:32:211 (1) - same

00:37:989 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm seems a bit meh cuz 00:38:433 - is pretty strong but more importance is given to the random filler at 00:38:655 - lol. how about 2 1/2 sliders (at 00:37:989 - and 00:38:433 - with a filler circle at 00:38:767 -)

00:53:767 (6,1,2,3) - imo these all sound weird cuz they dont line up with the vocal which is pretty prominent. how about putting the sliders on the red ticks?

01:22:433 (1,3) - arent these following 1/2 things? why not 1/2 sliders lol

[patamon]
00:04:989 (3,4) - i know its weird rhythm on a hard diff but can you follow the blue tick rhythm better?

01:06:211 (5,1,2,3,4) - this pattern will be very confusing for noobs, can you unstack 2,3? it'll be easier to read that way.
[little]
00:14:878 (1,2,3) - this is too overlapped i think, really confusing. how about spreading it out a bit

at least it doesnt have those stupid labyrinth sliders

[easy]
00:43:216 - around here seems a bit too dense rhythm wise

01:22:767 - this is pretty tough cuz of all the sliders, can you try and make one of em a circle or something. same with other similar areas. slider spam is quite hard for noobs, even at this bpm. try and use a few more circles.

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GIDZ

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GIDZ 2017-10-24T15:36:05+00:00

Kisses wrote:
G I D z
00:57:544 (1,2) - I get what you are going for with these jumps but could you possibly tone them down a bit? It's still quite calm in this part of the song so you don't need this much spacing to emphasise it
01:37:767 (5) - delete finish, I can't hear it within the song
nicely mapped kiai ~

All fixed TKS!

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Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-10-24T22:07:20+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Little

Given the rhythm density AR 5 would suit a lot better imho. Makes it more noob friendly and the it would be detrimental for higher skilled players either Lowered AR to 5.5. I think this is reasonable. Lower ARs make it more difficult to read stacks and overlaps.
00:08:211 (2,3,4,5) - I've got nothing against the underlapping circles overall but could you possibly avoid the underlaps for the very first pattern? I just feel it would give players an easier time to recognise what's going on I think it should be fine to keep this. If they're going to trouble with a pattern like this, I'd rather they see it earlier than later. They can get it on the next try.
00:23:767 (1) - any particular reason why the NC lengths are halved in this section? They're not. The previous combo was double length. Fixed it.
01:23:322 (3) - what do you think about turning this into a 1/1 slider and deleting 4? There is some contrast in rhythm between 1,2 and 3,4 and it would break up the relatively high rhythm density and give players a nice pause right before the second half of the kiai. If you change this then it might be a good idea to apply it here too 01:37:544 (3) - Current rhythm feels better to me. Using a 1/1 slider removes emphasis from 01:23:767 which I want to keep for building into the next phrase to match the song.

Naotoshi wrote:
[little]
00:14:878 (1,2,3) - this is too overlapped i think, really confusing. how about spreading it out a bit Made it friendlier.

at least it doesnt have those stupid labyrinth sliders I like my sliders tyvm.

Thanks.
http://f.ttle.li/juNO.zip

Karen

2,860 posts

Joined August 2013

Karen 2017-10-25T08:16:38+00:00

zz double post

Last edited by Karen 2017-10-25T08:17:18+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Karen

2,860 posts

Joined August 2013

Karen 2017-10-25T08:17:01+00:00

Kawashiro wrote:
from my q

[Karen]
00:06:878 (2) - how about change them to 1/2 gap circles? I don't think skip 00:07:100 - this sound by sliderend is not good way to express here. the sound isn't important, i'm following 00:06:878 - this by the slider head
00:50:433 (1,2) - i can't understand y u put nc like this. is there any reason to put nc 00:50:878 (1) - here?
00:22:433 (3) - put nc will better imo. like 01:07:767 (1) - here
01:08:655 (1,1,1) -
Ranking Criteria wrote:
Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous cannot be used, such as burai sliders and hold sliders without straightforward slider borders. When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in.
Look. Don't u think this sliders are unrankable? plz don't say its not perfectly overlapped cuz it has 0.03 ds. in game, its not perfectly overlapped cuz it has 0.03 ds. in gameautomatic stacking function works at here. This is obvious evidence to prove these sliders are perfectly overlapped. this rule is for make slider path clearly so you must fix them.
01:29:100 (3) - maybe you forgot to put nc at here.

Narcissu wrote:
[Karen's Expert]
00:35:545 (2) - drum finish ?
01:38:433 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 这个琴音在1/3，下1/4大概换个drum系的音效正常点吧，00:21:100 (1,2,3) - 也是换drum 因为这里一串琴音所以我全加了whistle，并不是一定要1/3才加，有这个感觉就行
01:21:544 (1,2,3,4) - 都加hitnormal ? 不是有hitnormal吗
01:23:989 (4) - 我倾向放148|348 这种，分开难一点顺便包一下……话说这kiai 20秒和开头比基本没啥起伏，圈还少两个。需要remap 如果blanket会很别手
pp nice diff

MaridiuS wrote:
heya a mod from idk where, but i've been told it needs mods

[karen]
00:13:100 (1) - not sure what makes you make this a none stream jump like 00:10:878 (1,2,3,4,1) - and 00:09:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - , even if you noticed something that makes it not a stream jump, I suggest you reconsider that, since if I can't notice it, than that means it really isn't needed to break the structure, right? 00:19:767 (1,2,3,4,1) - its counterpart is a stream jump
01:13:100 (1,2,3,4,1) - similar to this, even for variety sake, its too different and gives no emphasis to the strong beat to be called variety. If emphasis is being juggled, it feels unstructured, even if its for variety. 01:11:322 (1,2,3,4,1) - compared to this, the downbeat doesn't have any significant difference, it just feels empty to be given 0 spacing on it now.
01:15:322 (1) - especially this one since it's really prominent.
Reason that I've found is that you're maybe trying to make the second part of kiai more spicy with it being used consistently, but then on the end everything is stacked, please reconsider, if you're changing emphasis, then try to give in the latter parts of the kiai bigger stream jumps as a from of variety?

fixed all inconsistency issues

Milan- wrote:
Karen's Expert
-but you can't edit the .osu file that way, currently xd hmm? i don't think i edited anything or maybe i forgot?
-your 1/4 streams are way too similar to the 1/6 ones. more noticeable here 00:12:655 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1) - . ncs certainly help, but using a even lower distance in all the 1/6 would make everything much easier. or do like 01:37:100 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1) - , which is the other way around yea i noticed this but the spacing change is noticeable already imo

KanpanRin wrote:
[Karen's Expert]
01:08:655 (1,1,1) - maybe it would be unrankable? because the slider path blocked by others. they are not perfectly overlapped

Kisses wrote:
[notice]
Karen
00:22:433 (3,4,1,2,1) - How about rearranging things like so? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9386291 This would give more spacing for the latter notes which I think would be more appropriate to the song
00:36:655 (3,4) - stack like your other 1/4 beats? I thought you had stacked 1/4 beats and off stacked 1/2 beats for readability
00:36:989 (5,6) - ^
all fixed

Naotoshi wrote:
[karen]
00:13:396 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - this pattern played pretty awkwardly to me due to the stack of 2,3 causing the leftward movement to stop suddenly. how about replacing 2,3 with a slider at 00:13:767 (2) - ? i moved them above hope it plays better now

00:27:767 (2,3) - 00:41:988 (2,3) - etc. think 3/4 slider works better here. you can't see the effect of a 3/4 gap like this. actually, a circle with 3/4 gap would also be cool tbh. the circles are for vocals o.o

00:36:989 (5,6) - quad would be cute imo

01:08:655 (1,1,1) - the fact that the visual spacings are inconsistent tilts me ever so slightly but i don't know how to fix

01:22:433 (1,2,3,4) - ik that it might get a bit spammy but how about 2 1/2 sliders into circles? since there's a background harp thingy

01:25:100 (1,2) - dont u always use ctrl g pattern? why 120 here lol i like ctrl+g pattern but it's not like i don't use any other patterns lol

01:28:211 (3,4) - seems weird to break out of your nomal 1/1 > circle > 1/1 sstructure. also 1/2 spam doesnt really fit here imo.

Thanks!

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lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-25T12:10:11+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[lcfc]
00:05:211 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - way too big of a diffspike imo. not really a very comfortable movement like the one before the kiai and also just sort of pops out of nowhere. i suggest a smaller version of what you did at 01:07:433 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - instead to introduce it. made it easier to follow

00:18:433 (1,2,1) - isn't this way way easier than the other pattern? look at the amount of slider leniency abuse at 00:14:878 (1,2,1) - compared to this lol. try and make them a bit more similar moved the circle in the other side, making it more equally hard i think

00:27:767 (2,3,4) - dont think this is a good way of representing the 3/4 rhythm, as i told karen. constant 1/4 gaps dont really let you highlight the fact that it is 3/4, circle + 2 circles works better.
applies on all. circle + 2 circles make it quite derpy to read though, i think having it passive like now is better

01:28:100 - ? well i was trying to follow vocals but as this was mentioned before and I can agree it feels empty i'll just slightly overmap it for the sake of playability

Thank you!

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Pata-Mon

1,489 posts

Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2017-10-25T13:45:30+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Patamon
Consider deleting 00:00:656 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) . It would be a bit weird to the player since the lower insanes start at 00:06:433 ok
00:53:989 (1) - can you reduce the rhythm density here? this section is nice and calm but there is so much clicking here that it makes it no different than the other sections When I think the music is stronger, I will use continually circles. I mean, using a lot of 1/2 slider is not really dense imo, and 00:54:211 - 00:54:655 - are vocal, 00:54:433 - 00:54:878 - are drums, if I change the rhythm I feel weird as well so I wanna keep.
00:57:989 (3) - This object doesn't need increased spacing, it's not one of the emphatic sounds like 00:57:544 (1) - and 00:57:767 (2) - I'v listened several times to check again that 00:57:989 - has cymbal sound and drum too, same as 00:57:767 - so I think it's worth emphasising.
00:57:989 (3) - would you consider a 1/1 slider or something similar? It feels a bit weird that 00:57:989 (3) - and 00:58:655 (4) - have the same rhythm when they map completely different sounds ok
01:37:767 (5,6,7,1) - the jumps feel forced, these sounds aren't strong like your other jumps There are special sounds here I can hear it clearly, these sounds are similar with Softhitnormal8.wav, and same as 01:23:544 (3,4,5) - , so I use jumps.

Naotoshi wrote:
[patamon]
00:04:989 (3,4) - i know its weird rhythm on a hard diff but can you follow the blue tick rhythm better? Ahh, according to Kisses' mod, I deleted this part.

01:06:211 (5,1,2,3,4) - this pattern will be very confusing for noobs, can you unstack 2,3? it'll be easier to read that way. ok

Thanks for mods!

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Rizen

1,662 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Rizen 2017-10-26T15:48:16+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[insane]
00:06:433 (1,1) - nice stack!!! fixded

00:13:322 (2,3) - i think these patterns put a really weird stopping motion , moving 3 away feels nicer to me ok

00:22:433 (4,5) - uhh the blue tick is much stronger than the red at 00:22:544 - , u should do cicle>repeat slider instead or something changed to a slider

00:33:544 (5) - tbh i think a 1/1 break fits nicely here with the vocals percussion on tick

00:42:211 (3) - delet plz, the 3/4 vocal gets messed up so hard by this =( changed 00:41:989 (2) - to a slider for consistency with 00:27:767 (2) - and also because I don't want to leave 3/4 gaps in the diff x(

01:16:655 (3,4,5,6,1) - this is actually really hard to play with the speed changes at a wide angle. could you try and space them equally instead so it plays nicer The decrease in spacing here is to refelct the downward scale at this part of hte music. It also acts as a transition between kiai 'parts' and also as a precursor to 01:22:433 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

short note about all of these: 00:09:433 (8) -
i dont think they should be there. i get that you're trying to maintain the pacing of the song and whatnot but there's a very clear pause in the vocals / melody that isn't represented well by constant 1/4 fills. if you leave a 1/2 gap it shows that nicely imo. yes this applies to all of the 8s lol I removed from the first part but not in the chorus as there are those guzheng instruments on those ticks (not in the first part)

[easy]
00:43:216 - around here seems a bit too dense rhythm wise simplified rhythm here a bit

01:22:767 - this is pretty tough cuz of all the sliders, can you try and make one of em a circle or something. same with other similar areas. slider spam is quite hard for noobs, even at this bpm. try and use a few more circles. changed to much clearer circles

k

Kisses wrote:
Easy

~~name change suggestion as we discussed ~~~ Actually doormat wants to give his opinion so let's wait on him first
00:13:100 (4) - ending this on the white tick would suit the song better imho as that's where the main melody lies on (the same melody that you've been following in the beginning) ok
00:21:544 (6) - what do you think of a circle here instead? there's quite some contrast between 00:21:100 (5,6) - done
00:33:544 (4) - moving to 00:33:322 would fit the vocal layer a lot better yiip
00:43:989 (5,6) - ctrl + g for vocal layer again? it would be nice if you just stuck to the vocals for this entire section. It would give better cohesion with parts like 00:40:433 (4,5) - did something slightly different from nao's mid
01:21:544 (2,3,4,5) - density feels a bit too high for the lowest diff even with the low bpm. Suggestion? https://i.imgur.com/IOImeC7.png did somethign different
01:15:100 (3,4) - would it be possible for you to make the flow less strict by having the path of 4 go in a similar direction as 3? like you did for 01:29:322 (3,4) - and 01:36:433 (3,4) - ok

Insane
00:56:211 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - any chance you could use some sliders here? I don't think full circles does this part justice, added a slider around the beginning. I think circles later on work better with the multiple vocal ticks there
00:54:989 (4) - deleting this would be could imo. It would omit the only 1/4 circle so you would really feel the "slowdown" effect of the song. if that makes sense ok
01:15:989 (4,5,1) and 01:30:211 (4,5,1) - how come you chose to use spacing this big? It feels like you've just been putting emphasis mainly on the vocals and this has really high spacing when it doesn't come across as an emphatic rhythm, more of a filler. made more even
01:38:878 (1) - unnecessary NC? removeded
01:38:433 (1,1) - it could be a nice idea to shorten these 1 tick to make the hitwindow between the next object a bit more comfortable. Though it's fine the way it is aswell doesn't fit well with the music ;(

oh can you get a source as well? https://www.bilibili.com/video/av1731565/

will finish modding soon

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-10-26T18:35:44+00:00

@LCFC can you explain to me why you think those 1/8 would give a better experience over a circle? The patterns play exactly like a 1/4 triplet and with the drawbacks of being slightly tricky to read (for some of the lesser skilled players) because of the visuals, and the hitwindow of the object after the slider is drastically reduced making it harder to get 300 acc.

On top of that the 1/4 beats are actually overmapped (though I don't have a problem with that as I see them as a nice way of actually reflecting the song). If the 1/4 beats are overmapped then surely 1/8 is just overkill right?
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If you can convince me after replying to both lines I'll leave it at that ~

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-27T11:34:25+00:00

irc'd with kisses and we've come to an agreement to keep the 1/8 but improve the visual consistency among them; all 1/8 ish bursts are straight now!

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GIDZ

1,002 posts

Joined January 2013

GIDZ 2017-10-27T11:39:41+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[gidz]
00:21:989 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - looks like a 1/4 gap, can u space these away a bit more? It's 1.2x spaced like previous pattern 00:21:100 (5,6) -

00:25:989 (1) - imo remove nc Just emphasizing the vocals more here with the NC as they are split into sets of 2

00:32:211 (1) - same I rly wanna emphasize the sets of 2 xd

00:37:989 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm seems a bit meh cuz 00:38:433 - is pretty strong but more importance is given to the random filler at 00:38:655 - lol. how about 2 1/2 sliders (at 00:37:989 - and 00:38:433 - with a filler circle at 00:38:767 -) I removed the triplet to make it 1/2 rhythms

00:53:767 (6,1,2,3) - imo these all sound weird cuz they dont line up with the vocal which is pretty prominent. how about putting the sliders on the red ticks? uhh I don't want theis part to be dense cuz it's relatively more calm compared to other parts of the map so I utilized 1/2 sliders just to emphasize the basic 4/4 rhythm and also I want to make 00:55:322 - clickable as there is a strong snare sound.

01:22:433 (1,3) - arent these following 1/2 things? why not 1/2 sliders lol Yes they are 1/2 rhythms but there is also a slight key change at 01:22:544 - if you listen carefully so I wanna emphasize that with a reverse slider. The rhythm created by the reverse is still 1/2 in length so it should be fine.

Tks!

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Rizen

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Rizen 2017-10-27T11:53:31+00:00

updated!

_handholding

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_handholding 2017-10-28T01:24:33+00:00

I'll do a quick recheck before bubbling
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@patamon 00:32:655 (1,2,3,4,5) - what do you think about this rhythm (or something similar)? https://i.imgur.com/dKXYzDC.png . The whole verse uses non stop clicking so I thought a short break at 00:33:322 would have been nice, it keeps your style too

@LCFC 01:38:655 (2,2) - ctr+ g these individual sliders? would make it slightly easier to read and navigate through the pattern https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9414461

~~@Rizen drum-sliderslide8.wav is unused~~
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ok let me know if patamon and LCFC agree or not then I'll be ready to bubble

edit: everything has been addressed

Last edited by _handholding 2017-10-28T14:10:57+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Pata-Mon

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Pata-Mon 2017-10-28T13:59:57+00:00

@Kisses I don't really want to ignore the obviously drum sounds (00:33:544 - ), and I didn't ignore any drum sound in this part, so I think keeping this rhythm is the best choise xD

Rizen

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Rizen 2017-10-28T14:08:13+00:00

applied for LCFC

removed delay on hitsounds

_handholding

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_handholding 2017-10-28T14:19:36+00:00

confirmed drum-sliderslide8.wav is used in Karen's diff ~

Karen