error_exe777 wrote:

heyyy from my queue

Unspoken Words

01:25:954 (85954|1,85954|0) - why is this a double when the others before are not? Fixed!

01:52:715 (112715|3,112800|2) - ghosts There is actually a piano sound, but in other cases throughout the map, it's very faint, to maintain the consistency, I'll take it out and replace with a 1/6 to match the rest of the map.

01:55:528 (115528|1) - ^^ Fixed! same as ^

02:12:658 - you can do this if you want https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8869624. as a matter of fact it works better because it's representing the same sound as the one at the end of the slider. I can definitely see where you're coming from in a rhythmical/playability perspective, but I think I'll keep it mapped just to the plucks and avoid an overmap.

gah sorry for the bad mod. because i got 6 hours of sleep everyday for the past week i'm god awfully tired. hope i could help, best of luck o/

1. 00:00:386 - Volume levels of timing points are conflicting
2. Difficulty settings on Easy/Normal are identical, fix spread
3. Wouldn't be a bad idea to map 02:18:113 (138113|1,138113|2) - with just one note (or double), feels strange to just end on the snare
4. Your metadata for artist needs some fixing, double check, but this source says "Sana feat.猫叉Master"
   http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/nekomata_1st/index.html

1. 00:17:772 (17772|0) - does this really need a finish for one guitar string, whistle is fine or reduce volume
2. 02:09:931 (129931|3) - Should sampleset 2 be used?
3. 01:13:681 (73681|2) - Lower volume here
4. It's technically fine, but remove the delay from Soft-hitnormal and soft-hitnormal2. Feedback doesn't really come until after 5ms

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1. 00:38:056 (38056|1,38141|3,38226|0) - Is this snapped right
2. 00:58:567 (58567|3) - hitsound flub
3. 01:19:647 (79647|1,79704|0) - Leaving piano unmapped is odd, since I hear 3 sounds but play 2
4. 01:26:295 (86295|3,86295|2,86295|1,86522|0,86636|1,86863|1,86976|2,86976|3,87204|1,87317|0,87545|1,87658|3,87658|2) - Kind unbalanced section, right is just claps and left is just 1/6. Swap some stuff around
5. 01:38:567 (98567|3,98567|1,98795|3,98908|1) - Same notes back to back feels odd to play, move to 1 or 3
   + lane 4 is kinda dense here
6. 01:39:931 (99931|1,99931|2) - Doubles on lane 1/3 or 2/4 disappear until 01:53:226 (113226|0,113226|2) - . Maybe do some patterns to change up? (o wait there's 01:46:067 (106067|2,106067|0) - but same point)
7. 01:45:386 (105386|0,105386|3) - ^ because doubles on lanes 1/4 is kinda repetitive here
8. 01:54:931 (114931|0) - Lane 1 is almost empty D:
   + 01:54:249 (114249|3,114476|3,114931|3,115158|3,115613|3,115840|3) - Is somewhat of a diffspike for lane 4 due to repetitive 1/3 mashing, move some of these to lane 1

1. 00:05:840 (5840|0,5840|3) - 1/4 double gets used a lot, why not 1/2 here for variety?
2. 00:37:886 (37886|0,38056|1,38226|2) - 1/4 isn't exactly easy to read after 1/6 the whole time, it would be better to just stick with the flow for normal/easy and just use 1/6 instead of 1/4
3. 00:40:272 (40272|3) - Suggest to delete, that way drums are more prominent when hit, as this hitting this note before decreases emphasis
4. 00:40:442 (40442|3,40613|2,40783|0,40954|1) - Would it be possible to arrange these so they play more like two pairs? Sounds like that in the music. I'd do this but that disregards PR
5. 00:57:999 (57999|2,58340|1,58681|0,59022|1,59363|2) - Rolling pattern doesn't really match rest of your style but w/ever
6. 01:24:817 (84817|3,84817|2) - Don't put a double there, else mapping implies it has same emphasis as 01:24:249 (84249|0,84249|1) -

1. 00:09:931 (9931|0) - Lane 3? Seems a bit empty
2. 00:17:431 (17431|3) - Shouldn't LN end earlier like other diffs
3. 00:39:931 (39931|1) - Just remove one of the doubles, using a 1/4 snap is enough emphasis
4. 00:45:386 (45386|1) - I think removing some of these doubles would help emphasise the downbeats better + better spread from normal.
   00:48:113 (48113|1) - eg removing this too. Increases emphasis for 00:46:749 (46749|2) - 00:49:476 (49476|1) - because fewer doubles = more importance on the ones remaining
5. 01:11:976 (71976|1) - 01:13:340 (73340|2) - same thing above, using just one note here makes 01:11:295 (71295|2,72658|2) - stronger
6. Why not map 01:20:158 (80158|2) - & 01:21:522 (81522|2) - ?
7. 01:24:931 (84931|0) - Use different hitsound, no drum because it's a synth
8. 01:34:476 (94476|2) - LN is a bit inconsistent with 01:56:636 (116636|3) - , I'd suggest to map both since I think you just forgot to on second kiai

Sinnoh wrote:

queue
General

1. 00:00:386 - Volume levels of timing points are conflicting Fixed!
2. Difficulty settings on Easy/Normal are identical, fix spread Nerfed easy to HP:6,5 and OD:6,5
3. Wouldn't be a bad idea to map 02:18:113 (138113|1,138113|2) - with just one note (or double), feels strange to just end on the snare Keeping it this way, as I've stated in other mods before, I don't think it would add anything to the song (it's already pretty repetetive), also it gets very quiet near the end and I would have to abtruptly end it or map very quiet sounds.
4. Your metadata for artist needs some fixing, double check, but this source says "Sana feat.猫叉Master"
   http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/nekomata_1st/index.htmlI will do a recheck on this later, so I that don't make any abrupt changes for now that require redownload.

Hitsounds

1. 00:17:772 (17772|0) - does this really need a finish for one guitar string, whistle is fine or reduce volume Doesn't need to be a finish,
   but it's placed there to close the section off. Lowered the volume and easy had a wrong hitsound placement(on the long note) by accident, so I fixed those.
2. 02:09:931 (129931|3) - Should sampleset 2 be used? I prefer the soft here, rather than going back to sampleset 2.
3. 01:13:681 (73681|2) - Lower volume here Fixed!
4. It's technically fine, but remove the delay from Soft-hitnormal and soft-hitnormal2. Feedback doesn't really come until after 5ms Gonna look into this and probably remove it.

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Unspoken Words

1. 00:38:056 (38056|1,38141|3,38226|0) - Is this snapped right I'm pretty sure it's right
2. 00:58:567 (58567|3) - hitsound flub Fixed!
3. 01:19:647 (79647|1,79704|0) - Leaving piano unmapped is odd, since I hear 3 sounds but play 2 Fixed! I knew I wasn't crazy! This was pointed out as a ghost note, which I wasn't sure about, putting it back in.
4. 01:26:295 (86295|3,86295|2,86295|1,86522|0,86636|1,86863|1,86976|2,86976|3,87204|1,87317|0,87545|1,87658|3,87658|2) - Kind unbalanced section, right is just claps and left is just 1/6. Swap some stuff around Fixed!(woops how did that happen lol)
5. 01:38:567 (98567|3,98567|1,98795|3,98908|1) - Same notes back to back feels odd to play, move to 1 or 3
   + lane 4 is kinda dense here Fixed!
6. 01:39:931 (99931|1,99931|2) - Doubles on lane 1/3 or 2/4 disappear until 01:53:226 (113226|0,113226|2) - . Maybe do some patterns to change up? (o wait there's 01:46:067 (106067|2,106067|0) - but same point) Changed some of them up, so Fixed!
7. 01:45:386 (105386|0,105386|3) - ^ because doubles on lanes 1/4 is kinda repetitive here Fixed!
8. 01:54:931 (114931|0) - Lane 1 is almost empty D: Fixed!
   + 01:54:249 (114249|3,114476|3,114931|3,115158|3,115613|3,115840|3) - Is somewhat of a diffspike for lane 4 due to repetitive 1/3 mashing, move some of these to lane 1 Fixed!

Normal

1. 00:05:840 (5840|0,5840|3) - 1/4 double gets used a lot, why not 1/2 here for variety? I basically do that in the kiai, wanted to keep the intro like this.
2. 00:37:886 (37886|0,38056|1,38226|2) - 1/4 isn't exactly easy to read after 1/6 the whole time, it would be better to just stick with the flow for normal/easy and just use 1/6 instead of 1/4 Fixed!
3. 00:40:272 (40272|3) - Suggest to delete, that way drums are more prominent when hit, as this hitting this note before decreases emphasis Fixed!
4. 00:40:442 (40442|3,40613|2,40783|0,40954|1) - Would it be possible to arrange these so they play more like two pairs? Sounds like that in the music. I'd do this but that disregards PR Fixed!
5. 00:57:999 (57999|2,58340|1,58681|0,59022|1,59363|2) - Rolling pattern doesn't really match rest of your style but w/ever Agreed, fixed!
6. 01:24:817 (84817|3,84817|2) - Don't put a double there, else mapping implies it has same emphasis as 01:24:249 (84249|0,84249|1) - Fixed!

Easy

1. 00:09:931 (9931|0) - Lane 3? Seems a bit empty Fixed!
2. 00:17:431 (17431|3) - Shouldn't LN end earlier like other diffs This LN in easy is mapped to the choir, in other diffs, the 2nd long note is on the guitar pluck, which ends a bit sooner. (although I just noticed I mapped the ln on the wrong sound in normal
3. 00:39:931 (39931|1) - Just remove one of the doubles, using a 1/4 snap is enough emphasis Fixed!
4. 00:45:386 (45386|1) - I think removing some of these doubles would help emphasise the downbeats better + better spread from normal. Fixed!
   00:48:113 (48113|1) - eg removing this too. Increases emphasis for 00:46:749 (46749|2) - 00:49:476 (49476|1) - because fewer doubles = more importance on the ones remaining Agreed, applied for the ones above too.
5. 01:11:976 (71976|1) - 01:13:340 (73340|2) - same thing above, using ju st one note here makes 01:11:295 (71295|2,72658|2) - stronger Fixed!
6. Why not map 01:20:158 (80158|2) - & 01:21:522 (81522|2) - ? Fixed!
7. 01:24:931 (84931|0) - Use different hitsound, no drum because it's a synth
8. 01:34:476 (94476|2) - LN is a bit inconsistent with 01:56:636 (116636|3) - , I'd suggest to map both since I think you just forgot to on second kiai Fixed!(yup i forgot)

Love this song and set <3
osu needs more 1/3 like this

Litharrale wrote:

quick nm from my queue

1|2|3|4

Spread is a little weird, you've got a >2x the gap from normal to top diff as you do from easy to normal Well let's be honest here, mania's star rating is not very accurate. It would be very difficult to adjust the difficulty jump and make it any closer while also keeping the same feel I meant for those difficulties.

What's with all these green lines? if you want to modify the volume of hitsounds, just use ctrl+shift+I It's easy to do and I don't see why not if it works.

Don't change back to the S sampleset Wanted to use the hihat

Not sure about the ♪ character in the tags (who the hell is ever going to include a quaver in their search?) Waiting for a metadata mod/check to confirm all of it so it's fully complete, this is on the original source site though.

I noticed someone said they'd do a SB for you, feel free to call me back when that's done and I'll mod that as well. For now you might as well turn on widescreen support so you dont forget and wonder why the SB ain't workin' Thanks, I'll definitely PM you when it's ready.

top diff

00:01:067 (1067|0) - is a very loud sound, consider adding another note to reflect this Fixed!
00:05:158 (5158|0) - you've done it here so add "consistency" to the reasons for the issue mentioned above ^

00:41:636 (41636|0) - Completely new section in the song that introduces a new theme and your map stays essentially identical to the last section. MASSIVE amounts of missed potential here. After playing the map a few times, it feels like the whole thing just kinda blends together into a big 1/6 pair mush.
There are various things you can do here ranging from basic stuff like http://i.imgur.com/V7p4r6k.gifv (the notes dont have to be in consecutive columns) to emphasizing the vocals more. You did do this in some parts with LNs but that feels fairly basic. It is a good step in the right direction though. I can see where you're coming from, I didn't feel like it did the emphasis right either, believe it or not, this map had minijacks and in general different patterns than I have right now, I've decided jumps fit this much better and even though it's kind of repetetive, so is the song, it doesn't really change that much. I'll keep it this way for now (but I'll look into changing it), could change my mind in the future, but definitely not remapping the patterns yet.

Not a whole lot else I can say about this diff. It's a solid diff but very generic and safe. The whole follows essentially the same beat throughout and you've mapped that beat throughout so any suggestion that's not "remap" is just nitpicking really. Same with the line above, I get where you're coming from, it's just that the song is pretty onedimensional and repetetive by itself, i could definitely make the intro sections easier and the kiai denser, but I feel like I would just cripple the map by doing that.

Mykaterasu wrote:

Hello, I'm from over here!
Sorry for the late mod.
1/2/3/4

General

1. I recommend adding metronome resets to fit the structure of the piece. The metronome resets are 00:19:476 - 01:26:295 - 02:12:658 - 02:18:113 - here. 01:26:295 - is the most important.
2. You don't need green lines for hitsounding in mania, ctrl+shift+i does a lot of heavy lifting. This is especially true since you can temper the volume of each note individually while also not ruining the experience for those who opt out of custom hit-sounds. Green lines are heavily inferior. Fixed!

Easy

1. 00:54:249 (54249|3,54590|2,54931|1,55272|0,55613|3,55954|2,56295|0,56976|1,57658|3) - It would be much better if these would follow pitch relevancy. Playing an descending pattern while the vocals ascend feels very wrong, and vice versa. Not every note needs to be relevant to each other, but the direction of travel between the most important pitches in a phrase can make or break it. Fixed!
   
   Other than that nothing seems too out of line for an Easy. Everything might be a bit too similar but that's hotly debatable.

Normal

1. It might be best to stick to a consistant visual theme for the rhythms in this map. In a normal, especially where 00:40:442 (40442|3,40613|2,40783|0,40954|1) - 1/4th and 00:17:317 (17317|3,17431|0) - 1/6th divisions are present, it can be very hard for players to distinguish which is which at earlier skill levels. A good position to stand by is that when the previous pattern was in 1/6th, any 1/4th pattern should be spaced in a neighbouring lane; then any 1/6th pattern after that should also be spaced in a neighbouring lane. Therefore a continuous passage of the same time division can subsequently be spaced in any manner until it is interrupted by a different division. It's a visual technique that can make low difficulty maps like this much cleaner and I highly recommend it since the map in its current state does not look like lanes were allotted with rhythms in mind. I've redone the 1/6th completely in this difficulty and in the kiai aswell, should be more consistent and easier to read.
2. Wouldn't 00:01:067 (1067|2) - this note be more fitting of a 2-note chord than 00:01:749 (1749|3,1749|0) - this one? Although that is where the guitar phrase ends, I think the experience would be much more interesting if you took away less from the periodicity of the music and took more from the irregularities. Important periods such as 00:00:386 - and 00:05:840 - should definitely stay doubles though. I don't think so, mainly after the 1/6 changes I've made, the emphasis on the guitar is now on the 1/6th patterns, so maybe you would change your idea after seeing the changes.
3. 00:40:783 (40783|0) - This isn't present in the music and sets up a very wrong cross rhythm. If you don't want to play 1/6th after 1/4th here, it'd be much better to just remove this note. actually the 1/4th before this was snapped wrong, so I snapped it to 1/6, I think it should be better like this,
   if you feel like it still doesn't fit, let me know
4. 00:59:817 (59817|2) - Ghost note. Fixed!
5. 01:25:499 (85499|3,85613|2,85726|1,85840|0) - It would be better to infer the pulse by changing the direction of travel here. Instead of arranging this 4 3 2 1, 2 4 3 1 instead. Fixed!
6. 01:30:386 (90386|0,90386|1,90726|2,90726|3,91067|0,91067|1,91408|3,91408|2,91749|0,91749|1) - I see no reason for these to be 2-note chords. The bass is as active here as it is in other places in the chorus, and there is no vocals. None of the other parts are doing anything innately interesting. If you want to infer something like an increase in tension 01:35:840 (95840|1,95840|3,96181|0,96181|2,96522|3,96522|1,96863|0,96863|2) - this period is much better suited. Fixed!(see my reply in the hard diff)

Playing it too safe is making this diff kinda lifeless.

Unspoken words

1. You might want to rejig LNs to be more pitch relevant, especially for something as tonally important as the vocals.
2. 00:40:783 (40783|2) - This is 1/6th. Fixed!
3. 00:59:817 (59817|2) - Ghost note as in the normal Fixed!
4. 01:00:386 (60386|2,60386|1,60499|0,60613|1,60726|2,60840|3,60954|2,61067|0,61067|1) - For something as special as this you haven't taken any action to voice leading any parts, specifically the part found 01:00:272 (60272|3,60499|0,60613|1,60840|3) - here. It would improve the pattern greatly. Similar sentiments 01:11:181 (71181|2,71295|1,71408|0,71522|3,71636|2,71749|1,71863|3) - here. Fixed! (I hope)
5. 01:25:783 (85783|1) - This is 1/6th. Fixed!
6. 01:30:386 (90386|1,90386|0,90726|1,90726|2,91067|1,91067|0,91408|1,91408|3) - Similarly to the normal, If you're going to double these, then use the same logic throughout the chorus i.e. if you're accenting the bass then do it when the bass plays 01:27:999 (87999|0) - or don't include them in periods where their impact isn't strong. Changed my mind about this and removed the doubles.
7. 01:45:613 (105613|0,105840|2,106067|2) - This can be voiced better. So can 02:07:431 (127431|3,127658|1,127886|0) - this and 02:10:158 (130158|0,130386|2,130613|1) - this. Fixed!

The mapset is designed with equally divided lanes and it's pretty standard, but nothing is really done to bring out the music to such a good enough degree to make it an outstanding candidate for ranked status, not to mention inconsistencies in rhythm in-between difficulties. It feels like a lot of potential for variation is being missed here, you'll need to develop some very strong ideals to make this map truly stand out.

Good luck with ranking~

Acnos wrote:

SB finished
I hope you like it
https://puu.sh/xnP6U/657a447915.rar

Calcyon wrote:

Acnos wrote:

SB finished
I hope you like it
https://puu.sh/xnP6U/657a447915.rar

Thank you so much for the SB!! I like it a lot, map already updated, currently asked botan to help me with changing the hitsounds so there don't have to be any green lines, there will be one more major update that requires a redownload, after that I'll start modding the map again.

Botan wrote:

DON'T KDS THIS POST
@Acnos Nice SB! Looks incredible but I do have two things that I want to say though. Just giving you some feedback, you should check with Calcyon first though. Excuse my hasty Photoshoping, I just wanted to get my image across.
[Storyboard]
00:16:749 - Instead of having the background be white here I think it would be cool if we used the second bg (where the girl looks to the left) and zoom in around her head and have it extra blurry. The white background doesn't really fit the feel of the rest of the storyboard. Keep the circles and other stuff, I just think it would look better if this was the background instead:

Open me!

02:12:658 - And then at this section instead of having another solid white background, we could maybe use that same photo but unblurry version? Like this...

Open me 2!

Then we could end it by zooming out and seeing the whole picture.
I think using the same blurry picture again like in box 1 would be fine as well.
I just think these two changes would suit the storyboard better.

1. Your hitsound in all diffs are inconsistent. I can definitely point more details for you, but to save time i dont want to do that now. Try to do a hitsound check before you wanna push this map for rank owo
2. Capitalizing 'words' in your top diff name would be better

1. 00:08:567 (8567|0,9249|3,11976|0) - if you listen carefully, these 3 LNs should be the half length, which is 1/2. That's because these sounds are essentially the same as those others you put 1/2 LNs. They have their major sounds for 1/2 length, and then is the weaker echo, so basically keep them as 1/2 too would make your map more consistent (after that dont forget to add one more normal note on the red lines too XD)
2. 00:37:204 - your doubles were only on the first white line of each bar, so i dont think you need this double here
3. 00:44:704 - 00:50:158 - these two places are the same thing, but you use LN for one and normal notes for another, which seems really inconsistent imo. Choose a pattern you prefer and keep that to both parts owo
4. 00:54:249 - you suddenly turn to all LNs. I know they are for vocal, but why dont you put LNs for your previous vocal sounds like from 00:48:795 - ? so better change back to normal notes imo
5. 01:26:295 - i thought you were using doubles without concepts, but now i find out the thing: the kiai time should not be 3/4, but just 4/4. You can identify that by hearing the drums: snare kick snare kick, but not snare kick kick or kick snare snare sth, so basically change that to 4/4 everything would be fine owo
6. 01:30:386 - 01:31:749 - 01:35:840 - 01:37:204 - 01:41:295 - 01:42:658 - and etc. these are weaker drums, weaker than C. so to note out these difference, be sure to make them be only single notes
7. 02:10:613 - need a double here
8. 02:11:636 (131636|2,131976|0,132317|1,132658|2) - last four notes make a difference use of drum from the previous kiai pattern, and all of them are heavy. But you cant double all in easy tbh. What I would do is that, I rearrange things to make these four, only these four sounds, to make an individual pattern that ppl can directly tell them out: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8990729

1. 00:21:522 - need a double refering to 00:26:976 -
2. 00:32:431 - ^
3. 00:36:067 (36067|1) - you dont need this in normal, better delete it
4. 00:41:124 - why not add one more note to complete this sentence of bass sounds?
5. 00:46:976 (46976|2) - delete
6. 00:47:431 - need double to keep your pattern
7. 00:51:749 (51749|2) - delete
8. 00:51:181 (51181|3) - better move to col3 to avoid stack of a LN after a normal note
9. 00:53:454 (53454|2) - delete
10. 00:59:704 (59704|3,59817|2,59931|1,60045|0) - what are you catching here? if for the bass then you are using wrong snap. Better use this pattern to replace it: 00:59:817 (59817|2,59931|1) - delete these two and add one note on 00:59:874 -
11. 01:06:749 (66749|1) - delete
12. 01:08:738 (68738|0) - delete
13. 01:10:954 (70954|3,71295|3) - can you get rid of such stack?
14. 01:12:317 (72317|2,72658|2) - ^
15. 01:12:317 (72317|2,72658|2) - delete
16. 01:25:499 (85499|3) - i dont think there is sound, just delete
17. 01:29:590 (89590|1,95045|1,100499|1) - and etc. get rid of these notes, cuz they will make normal a little bit harder, and I believe if you catch one of such sound, you need to catch all, but you really cant because nearly half of the vocal are on such notes. If you do such, things would be much more difficult. So anyway, get rid of them, and your pattern would be cleaner with only 1/2 streams owo
18. 01:41:636 (101636|1,101636|3,102317|1,102317|3) - basically nothing need to be emphasized imo, so nerf to single would be better
19. things after that are mostly the last two issues i've mentioned in this diff, apply them to all the kiai if you feel mine is correct

1. 00:06:522 - 00:09:249 - 00:11:976 - 00:14:704 - 00:17:431 - imo you need some doubles to emphasize those 'Ah' vocal sound on these lines
2. 00:38:056 - no drum here, better delete
3. 00:59:704 (59704|3,59817|2,59931|1,60045|0) - do the same thing i said in normal
4. 01:30:726 (90726|1,90726|2,91408|1,91408|3) - and etc. i know you keep a pattern of using these extra doubles repeatedly after a few bars, but i dont really find there are any significant changes that necessitate you to double these lines. Basically music, the drums are still going in the same way. So i dont think these doubles are needed, delete them and all the others that you add in addition
5. 02:12:658 - here i am not sure but my ears tell me the right snap should be: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8990925 try to confirm with more ppl in case XD

Tofu1222 wrote:

Alright, this map really impressed me. Let me mod this first, with a full-spread mods.
NM Request from Tofu's Mania Modding Queue

[General]

1. Your hitsound in all diffs are inconsistent. I can definitely point more details for you, but to save time i dont want to do that now. Try to do a hitsound check before you wanna push this map for rank owo Sure if you'd like! I'll apreciate any help with the hitsounds.
2. Capitalizing 'words' in your top diff name would be better Agreed, done.!

[Easy]

1. 00:08:567 (8567|0,9249|3,11976|0) - if you listen carefully, these 3 LNs should be the half length, which is 1/2. That's because these sounds are essentially the same as those others you put 1/2 LNs. They have their major sounds for 1/2 length, and then is the weaker echo, so basically keep them as 1/2 too would make your map more consistent (after that dont forget to add one more normal note on the red lines too XD) I left those the same length,
   but made the others match it for consistency.
2. 00:37:204 - your doubles were only on the first white line of each bar, so i dont think you need this double here Fixed!
3. 00:44:704 - 00:50:158 - these two places are the same thing, but you use LN for one and normal notes for another, which seems really inconsistent imo. Choose a pattern you prefer and keep that to both parts owo Fixed!
4. 00:54:249 - you suddenly turn to all LNs. I know they are for vocal, but why dont you put LNs for your previous vocal sounds like from 00:48:795 - ? so better change back to normal notes imo Fixed!
5. 01:26:295 - i thought you were using doubles without concepts, but now i find out the thing: the kiai time should not be 3/4, but just 4/4. You can identify that by hearing the drums: snare kick snare kick, but not snare kick kick or kick snare snare sth, so basically change that to 4/4 everything would be fine owo I think the bass compliments the kicks well enough to keep it as it is, the kiai kind of works from that to differentiate it from the rest of the map.
6. 01:30:386 - 01:31:749 - 01:35:840 - 01:37:204 - 01:41:295 - 01:42:658 - and etc. these are weaker drums, weaker than C. so to note out these difference, be sure to make them be only single notes ^
7. 02:10:613 - need a double here Fixed!
8. 02:11:636 (131636|2,131976|0,132317|1,132658|2) - last four notes make a difference use of drum from the previous kiai pattern, and all of them are heavy. But you cant double all in easy tbh. What I would do is that, I rearrange things to make these four, only these four sounds, to make an individual pattern that ppl can directly tell them out: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8990729 Fixed!

[Normal]

1. 00:21:522 - need a double refering to 00:26:976 - Fixed!
2. 00:32:431 - ^ Fixed!
3. 00:36:067 (36067|1) - you dont need this in normal, better delete it I'll respond here to all of the other 1/6th deletes. I feel like it's necessary to introduce the player to the 1/6 in this difficulty before exposing them to the 'Unspoken Words' diff where almost every input is a 1/6 combined with doubles. Instead to maintain consistency, I'll add more 1/6ths and make this difficulty somewhat harder and more consistent, I've seen normal difficulties using 1/4ths which on this bpm is an equivalent, so I think difficulty wise it's ok.
4. 00:41:124 - why not add one more note to complete this sentence of bass sounds? Fixed!
5. 00:46:976 (46976|2) - delete ^
6. 00:47:431 - need double to keep your pattern Fixed!
7. 00:51:749 (51749|2) - delete ^
8. 00:51:181 (51181|3) - better move to col3 to avoid stack of a LN after a normal note Fixed!
9. 00:53:454 (53454|2) - delete ^
10. 00:59:704 (59704|3,59817|2,59931|1,60045|0) - what are you catching here? if for the bass then you are using wrong snap. Better use this pattern to replace it: 00:59:817 (59817|2,59931|1) - delete these two and add one note on 00:59:874 -
11. 01:06:749 (66749|1) - delete ^
12. 01:08:738 (68738|0) - delete I want to stick to representing the piano here.
13. 01:10:954 (70954|3,71295|3) - can you get rid of such stack? Fixed!
14. 01:12:317 (72317|2,72658|2) - ^ Fixed!
15. 01:12:317 (72317|2,72658|2) - delete I think you used the wrong timing here.
16. 01:25:499 (85499|3) - i dont think there is sound, just delete There is a sound, unless you used the wrong timing.
17. 01:29:590 (89590|1,95045|1,100499|1) - and etc. get rid of these notes, cuz they will make normal a little bit harder, and I believe if you catch one of such sound, you need to catch all, but you really cant because nearly half of the vocal are on such notes. If you do such, things would be much more difficult. So anyway, get rid of them, and your pattern would be cleaner with only 1/2 streams owo Refer to my first response about the 1/6^
18. 01:41:636 (101636|1,101636|3,102317|1,102317|3) - basically nothing need to be emphasized imo, so nerf to single would be better It has been mentioned multiple times so I'm nerfing these to singles.
19. things after that are mostly the last two issues i've mentioned in this diff, apply them to all the kiai if you feel mine is correct

[Unspoken Words]

1. 00:06:522 - 00:09:249 - 00:11:976 - 00:14:704 - 00:17:431 - imo you need some doubles to emphasize those 'Ah' vocal sound on these lines Agreed, because the LN represents the choir and the note represents the drum, applied to the timestamps you sent except for 00:17:431 (17431|3) - because there is no drum sound there.
2. 00:38:056 - no drum here, better delete Fixed!
3. 00:59:704 (59704|3,59817|2,59931|1,60045|0) - do the same thing i said in normal Fixed!
4. 01:30:726 (90726|1,90726|2,91408|1,91408|3) - and etc. i know you keep a pattern of using these extra doubles repeatedly after a few bars, but i dont really find there are any significant changes that necessitate you to double these lines. Basically music, the drums are still going in the same way. So i dont think these doubles are needed, delete them and all the others that you add in addition Okay I've changed my mind, it has been mentioned multiple times, so I'm deleting them and making it a double > single > double, same with normal.
5. 02:12:658 - here i am not sure but my ears tell me the right snap should be: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8990925 try to confirm with more ppl in case XD Changed.

That's all. I believe you need a few more mods to improve your map. Good Luck!
If I become a BN, poke me for icon in the future if your maps are already well-done XD jkjk

Weber wrote:

Hello, here from a request from Sinnoh.

1/2/3/4

Easy

00:14:704 (14704|1) - I'd like to see this LN the same length as 00:11:976 (11976|0) - and 00:08:567 (8567|0) - since it's essentially the same music. (Would need to remove 00:15:045 (15045|3) as well) Fixed!

00:17:431 (17431|3,17772|0) - I think a more appropriate start for the LN here would be the last guitar sound at 00:17:772 - and ending at 00:18:795. This would potentially confuse less players when coming to this cluster of notes: (https://puu.sh/xwITz/e5f162fcfa.png), as well providing a good 2/1 break while emphasizing the most prominent sounds here (the guitar). https://puu.sh/xwJ0M/0cca74692d.png Agreed, adjusted according to your SS

00:23:226 (23226|1) - Move over to 1 for hand balance. Fixed!

00:33:454 (33454|1,33795|2,34136|3) - 3-2-3 would offer better vocal pitch relevance. Fixed!

00:52:204 (52204|2,52204|1) - This probably doesn't need to be a double as much as 00:52:886 (52886|2,52886|3), consider deleting the note on 2. Fixed!

00:54:249 (54249|3,54590|2,54931|1,55272|0,55613|3,55954|2) - Consider changing this to https://puu.sh/xwJhD/c742b6fe13.png for better pitch relevance.
Fixed!
01:03:113 (63113|3) - A double could go here considering the intensity of the note. Try this arrangement of notes to accommodate this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9063741 Applied, I like this.

01:29:363 (89363|0) - Bring this over to 4 for better hand/pitch relevance, pretty dense on the left hand. Nice spot.

02:10:613 (130613|1) - Might need a double here. I added a double for now, I didn't place it there to mark the ending of the chorus and the decreasing intensity, added it back for consistency's sake though.


Normal

I have to agree with lith's previous comments, this diff could be buffed a little to improve the spread through the addition of more 1/6th notes. Places like the intro (00:00:386 - 00:16:749 - following the guitar closer) as well as various vocal spots like 01:04:022 - as well as in the kiai in places like: 01:27:545 - 01:28:226 - and 01:28:908, any many others which would make it more of an appropriate lead-in to the 1/6th-filled HD diff. I thought so before, but I didn't want to make it too hard, I've changed the 1/6th in the kiai and the vocal part before the kiai to 1/6 as you mentioned, map went up by 0,1* and I think it's way more consistent like this, I would like to hear what you think after the changes I made, if it requires some more work, or if the representation is correct.


00:17:431 (17431|0,17772|2) - Same as Easy, make 00:17:431 (17431|0) - last only 1/1 and start another LN at 00:17:772 - for the rest of the guitar's held note. Fixed! (hopefully I understood it correctly

00:32:431 (32431|3,32772|2,33113|1,33454|3,33795|2,34136|1,34476|0) - Same suggestion from easy. Fixed!

00:38:567 (38567|0,38567|3) - I'd like to see the LN on 1 instead of 4 for better pitch representation from the held note in the song, but this is pretty subjective. Your choice. Agreed, I like it this way too.

00:55:613 - Could put another note here on 2. Fixed!

01:25:499 (85499|3,85613|2,85726|1,85840|0,85954|3) - I feel like some of the notes here aren't really matching the song very well, making it pretty awkward, this would be a better alternative that fit with the music better: https://puu.sh/xwM1Z/a894c77210.png Fixed!

01:40:954 (100954|1) - Make this 2 for hand balance. Fixed!

01:52:204 (112204|2) - 2 as well ^ (also makes a nice parallel with 01:53:567 (113567|1,113567|3) ) (ACTUALLY if you move 01:53:567 (113567|3,113567|1) - over to 1-3 as well you have this wonderful descending pitch relevance and symmetry: https://puu.sh/xwKF4/5a3ec525e8.png) Nice! Applied.

01:58:681 (118681|3,118681|2,119022|0,119022|1) - Ctrl-H these for better pitch. (01:59:363 (119363|3) - also move this to 4) Fixed!

02:07:715 (127715|1) - Unsnapped note here. Should be on the 1/3rd? Fixed!

02:10:613 - Could use a double here. Fixed!


Unspoken Words

A fair amount of this diff has some hand balance issues, so most of the simplistic "move to x" suggestions will be those.

00:10:499 (10499|1) - Move over to 2, anchors too much on 3, with nothing on 2. Fixed!

00:16:295 (16295|0,16408|1,16636|2,16749|1,16749|3,17090|0) - This could use some adjusting to make it a little more interesting and comfortable to play: https://puu.sh/xwMdc/1f58df6bfa.png Fixed!

00:38:056 (38056|1,38141|3,38226|0) - This 1/8th seems really inappropriate here, not hearing anything for it in the music, and sticking to 1/6th just seems better in general: https://puu.sh/xwMvT/a54f60fbd9.png Fixed!

00:40:840 (40840|2) - This note should also probably be snapped to 1/6th and not 1/8th. Fixed!

00:42:204 (42204|0) - Move to 1 for hand balance. Fixed!

00:46:636 (46636|1,46749|3,46749|2,46976|1,47090|0) - Try this out for better balance: https://puu.sh/xwMFZ/06913ba670.png Fixed!

00:52:772 (52772|2,52886|3) - Move these over to 2-3. ^ Fixed!

00:59:249 (59249|1) - Move to 2. ^ Fixed!

01:08:397 (68397|2,68482|1,68567|0) - Same as above, sticking to 1/6th with a double at 01:08:567 - just seems more consistent. Fixed!

01:15:726 (75726|3) - Move to 4, 01:15:954 (75954|3) - Move to 3. Fixed!

01:24:476 (84476|1,84590|0) - These should probably be doubles if you want 01:24:136 (84136|0,84136|1,84249|3,84249|2) - to stick around, pretty much the same music. I'm not entirely sure if it's the same sound or if its as significant as the other ones in that section, but I've made them into doubles for now.

01:25:272 - Consider putting a note here, the sound changes a bit. Fixed!

01:43:226 (103226|2) - Move to 3. 01:43:908 (103908|2) - Move to 4. Fixed!

02:00:954 (120954|0) - Move to 1. Fixed!

02:04:022 (124022|0) - Move to 1. Fixed!

02:11:863 (131863|3) - Move to 4. Fixed!

02:12:772 (132772|1,132886|0) - These two notes aren't really mapped to anything I can hear. They were mapped to the guitar pluck, but I suppose they are not needed considering it's represented with the long note.


Excellent song, and solid set. Call me back!

Litharrale wrote:

Why is the BG 1080p (good) but the SB is a lot lower res? Seems like a very odd decision imo

Acnos wrote:

Litharrale wrote:

Why is the BG 1080p (good) but the SB is a lot lower res? Seems like a very odd decision imo

well, I see it good quality, but probably in 1080p displays don't see good quality u.u
so, I talked with calcyon and we agreed at change the image to 1080p :3

@Calcyon update it pls

SPOILER

- https://puu.sh/xzd6p/3b8eef916f.rar -

Weber wrote:

Alright, last suggestions before we get this underway.

1/2/3/4

Normal

Some serious lack of column 1 usage for the 1/6ths in the intro, move 00:00:954 (954|1,1067|0) - over to 1-2, 00:04:704 (4704|2,4817|1) - over to 1-2 Fixed!
00:08:226 (8226|3) - Over to 4 Fixed!
00:20:158 (20158|3) - Move over to 1 Fixed!
00:27:999 (27999|2,28340|3) - Reverse these Fixed!
00:41:181 (41181|1) - This note probably doesn't need to be here, no guitar sounds from what I can hear. Fixed!
00:44:704 (44704|3,45045|1) - Reverse columns for these, 00:44:022 (44022|3,44704|3) - shouldn't be on the same column with the difference in pitch. Fixed!
00:51:863 (51863|1) - Move to 2 for hand balance. Fixed!
00:59:817 (59817|2) - This note should be on 00:59:590. Fixed!
01:25:499 (85499|2,85613|3,85726|1,85840|0,85954|3) - I don't think you applied my previous fix here. Fixed!(thank you for pointing it out,
I looked at it wrong)
01:31:749 (91749|1,91749|2) - Move to 2-3 Fixed!
01:53:908 (113908|3) - Move to 4 Fixed!
02:01:749 - This should be a double for consistency. Fixed!
02:07:204 - Same ^ Fixed!
02:07:658 (127658|1) - Should be on 02:07:772 - Fixed!(how did i even snap this one and the one before like this wtf...)
02:17:431 - Could probably put a double here. Fixed! (applied to the other diffs for consistency)

Unspoken Words

00:05:045 (5045|3) - Move to 4 Fixed!
00:18:795 - fix this inconsistency: https://puu.sh/xzpQ3/8e7cfea937.png Fixed!
00:38:454 (38454|1,38567|2) - Reverse these notes Fixed!
00:48:113 (48113|1,48113|2) - Move to 2-3 Fixed!
01:08:795 (68795|3) - Move to 4 Fixed!
01:26:636 (86636|3) - Move to 4 Fixed!
01:27:545 (87545|1) - Move to 1 Fixed!
01:35:045 (95045|3) - Move to 4 Fixed!
01:45:840 (105840|2) - Remove this and move 01:46:067 (106067|1) - to 3 I'm not sure if removing that sound is a good idea, but I did it anyways.
01:54:476 (114476|1,114590|2,114817|1,114931|0,114931|2) - Try this out: https://puu.sh/xzq2y/46905b70da.png Fixed!
02:01:295 (121295|2,121408|1,121636|2,121749|1,121749|0,121976|3,122090|1) - https://puu.sh/xzq3z/8a0ca2ff15.png Fixed!
02:06:067 (126067|3) - Move to column 3 Fixed!
02:06:749 (126749|0) - Move to 1 Fixed!
02:10:158 (130158|1) - Move both of these to 1 Moved the one in the timing to 1, not sure which the 2nd one was that you meant..

dudehacker wrote:

Issues about hitsound:

1) Inconsistent hitsound across difficulty:
Example, at 00:22:886 (22886|3) - in normal difficulty, you only have a claps.wav here, but in hard you have kick.wav and claps.wav
The reason why this is bad is because in the song, here is kick sound, but you have claps instead. I assume this is due to bad use of hitsound copy program.

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This problem occurs many times, and can be detected using my program (Hitsound Detective)

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2) Inconsistent use of samples.
00:30:045 (30045|3) - is same sound as 00:04:817 (4817|1) - but the whole section uses hihat.wav instead of jingle.wav

3) Missing hitsound
00:00:726 (726|3) - is same sound as 00:01:408 (1408|2) - but the 2nd one is not hitsounded for the whole section.

4) Extra hitsound
00:17:772 (17772|3) - No crash sound here.

Conclusion: I will make you a new hitsound difficulty this weekend that will fix all your problems.
You ask for BN check on the new hitsound difficulty, if approved, use my program to copy it to your 3 difficulties.

Hitsound Detective and Magic Copy
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5392330

Asherz007 wrote:

Got poked for hs check by mapper (hs diff)

Nice and simple, sweet.

01:25:840 - add snare? Added.

02:07:204 (127204|3) -
02:09:931 (129931|3) -
02:12:658 (132658|3) -

These intentionally at 70%? Feel like they might be better a little bit louder. Might just be me. I feel like the intensity is higher on these,
they sound fine to me atleast.

01:23:908 (83908|3,84590|3) - Also these might be a little too quiet at 10%. Upped to 20% like the rest of them.

Apart from that, I think you're good to go for copying the hs over if you so choose to (pls delete any hitsounds that end up in the storyboard if that's still a thing) I was told it's fine as long as it's not '0 note 1 SB sound', which in this case it shouldn't be, because it's '1 note 1 SB sound', I think there is 1-3 in total across the set.

Also need to make another change to sb for hser probably. Changed to dudehacker, talked to Botan, going to give him appreciation in the description. (poke me again about hs and file usage checks whenever I'm still alive)

Asherz007 wrote:

Back one more time... (ask if you're unsure of anything here)

btw change easy odhp to 7 and normal odhp to 7.5 pls kthx Applied.

Hitsounds: Fine for Normal and top diff, but the first timing point is on S:C1 rather than S:C2 in all diffs (I don't know whether this is intentional, but it doesn't seem like it.) Secondly, since only the hitnormal seems to be controlled by timing point volume, increase them to 100% since they're barely audible at the start and are only just about audible during the kiai. You could have the first section slightly lower but it definitely needs to be at 100% from 00:41:295 imo. When I was checking the timing points it was fine, that had to break sometime when I was updating, weird. Fixed!

Storyboard elements don't seem to have changed much since the last time, but checked just in case. All seems fine to me.

Easy

Aight since this diff has so few notes the HS pattern kinda gets a little screwed up since there are LNs over jingles etc. So you can either amend the notes to fit the hs pattern, or we can change the patterns like this, for example:

At the start, follow this HS pattern, since you lose some of the jingles every now and then. This pattern ensures that HS are quite a bit more consistent. Really would like that jingle at 00:08:908 but up to you ultimately. Added a note to the long notes to maintain the hitsound pattern, on this BPM it should be okay for an easy as long as the note is on another hand than the long note.


Oh, also 00:17:090 (17090|2,17431|1,17772|3) - Since the guitar is too complex for what you're mapping (you completely avoid 1/4s), I suggest removing these three notes since the second note is mapped to the background vocals, which would be annoying to newer players who often follow sounds in the foreground. It was meant to be snapped to the guitar, no clue why the 2nd one was on the vocal but yeah, I removed them, because considering I follow 1/6 in the entire map, a sudden 1/4 might be weird.

So I might need to check HS on Easy one more time, just in case, then patterns maybe. Hopefully I'll still be alive.

Asherz007 wrote:

I think my brain is dying from looking at this map too much lol

General thoughts on this one, since I don't think I can muster up anything more.

Spreads are :thinking:

By the way, resnap everything after the metronome reset since the new timing point's kinda unsnapped everything by like 1ms. Don't worry, it does that. Done.

Easy

I dunno tbh. I reckon you follow the vocals a little bit too much at times, which I think messes with your hitsound patterns, like at 00:57:658 for example where the click just disappears, making it sound a little odd. Changed it to maintain the hitsound consistency, keeping the long notes how they are though.
Also, what happened to the double at 02:11:976? Fixed!

Normal

Okay, perhaps the vocal LNs might be killing the consistency here as well. For example, take 00:19:704 (19704|3,19817|2). I'm not entirely sure why the same sound was mapped over at 00:22:431. I think it's a little odd to be constantly shifting the focus of the layering to and from the vocals.

Even then, following the vocals doesn't seem consistent either. Like at, 00:49:476 (49476|3,50158|1), you seem to be following something different, which confuses me a little for the consistency... unless there's something I'm missing. Decided to split it into parts, the intro + the beginning part until 00:39:761 (39761|1) - follow the guitar with 1/6ths and disregard vocals. After this section, the guitar is much fainter so I've decided to stick with LN vocals which are much easier to hear and they also make a nice transition to prepare the player for incoming 1/6 vocal patterns.

The kiai is fairly consistent, so I think that should be ok.

Oh right. 02:15:386 (135386|2,135471|1) - this is a no-no. You can't simplify a 1/12 rhythm into a 1/8 one since the snap divisions are completely different. Poor balancing judgment on my part, made it into a 1/12 like in the last diff, there is probably no need to balance a simple roll.

Unspoken note placements, hitsound consistencies and storyboard elements

Shouldn't be too much here; presumably, this is the most worked on diff so there shouldn't be too much here. Layering wise, mostly fine; not the most comfortable patterns in the world, but they're fine, so there's no need to change that.

00:19:476 (19476|1,19476|2,19476|0) - idk about triples here tbh. There's not that much emphasis. tbh, I reckon you could do the whole diff without using triples since you only use it 3 times I think. Agreed, fixed!

Weber wrote:

r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-recheck

1/2/3/4

Easy

00:14:022 (14022|3) - Move to 3, lack of notes in that column. Fixed!


Normal

00:23:908 (23908|3) - Move to 4, for better hand balance Fixed!


Unspoken Words

01:27:317 (87317|2) - Might be better on 2, just so we don't have these clumped hand patterns like 01:27:204 (87204|3,87317|2,87658|3,87658|2) - Agreed, fixed!
01:35:158 (95158|2,95840|1,96067|2,96181|1) - Same thing here ^, move 01:36:067 (96067|2,96181|1) - to 1-3 Fixed!


Call me back for bubble.

Weber wrote:

Alright, last suggestions before we get this underway.

S o h wrote:

No kudosu!

Hello, I saw your PM asking to check the Japanese lyrics in the SB.

I took a glance over it and the lyrics themselves seem fine. The only concern I have is that when the lyrics appear vertically, sometimes two lines show up at once.

When Japanese is written vertically, lines are read from right to left, so when two lines show up vertically at the same time, it can be a little confusing. I don't think it's something that absolutely needs fixing, but it's something I would "prefer"

From 1:16 of the map:


For the rest of the SB, since the lines show up individually, the whole order of right to left doesn't really matter but I would prefer that lines showed up from right to left, in the same way we usually don't go from center to top when writing horizontally.

That being said, nothing really seems to 'need' fixing. If your artistic senses prefer the way it is right now, that is absolutely fine and that should be how it is.