Rica Matsumoto - Mezase Pokemon Master -20th Anniversary- · forum

Xinchii

Joined January 2011

Xinchii 2017-10-02T13:44:43+00:00

Narcissu wrote:
這歌全程240 無變速，一根紅線就夠了。高BPM鼓點半減和低BPM鼓點雙倍都是很常見的情況，決定速度的是旋律軌道。還有十六節一段的曲式，方便閱讀等等的一般原則。

00:56:863 - 同上，這裡副歌已經停了，所以建議kiai 也在這裡停

顏色太多了吧。。而且兩個粉色区分度好低

你只有三個外加的音效，完全可以拼一組

[Xinchii's Pikachu]
00:53:863 (1,2) - 這個很難停下來，人聲和前面00:45:863 (1) - 不一樣是連貫的而且距離很近。不一樣嗎 :< ?
00:56:863 - 01:23:738 - 可以加個圈clickable ，轉盤延遲1/2，滑條縮成1/2 前面加了 , 後面我考慮看看
00:33:488 (1) - 这个虽然有声音但依旧不明显，没有人会注意到。不如放01:21:738 (1) - 附近有停顿玩家能集中注意力，还能拉长一点這兩個時間不是差很遠嗎 D: , 不是很了解 , 還是說是指那個型狀 , 是因為背景的皮卡丘聲音才拉的 ?
节奏下的非常好。。但是音效和排列太差了。。這首本來是熱血動漫OP卻用了默認soft 組配50音量完全不合曲。10%的消音線拿來對付soft 底音是牛刀殺雞。排列有很多无意义overlap .. 除了经常用的1.4DS 贪吃蛇以外下一个物件能出现在任何位置，滑条角度洒满整个一二象限。比起“这里应该放个跳” “这里拉个条子”；试着多考虑“这个跳应该有多远” “这个滑条要倾斜多少度”
Soft是因為我不喜歡打圖的時候太吵 , 這個我之後看別的mod再想想
然後排列 , 這點我不確定 , 但是我自己覺得沒有到太差的狀況 , 至少我自己看得爽玩起來flow是順的不會卡手 , overlap只是我喜歡的一種擺法 , 有些地方我的確是沒想過他的意義 , 就是自然而然擺上去

至於最後我下note思考的 , 除了你一開始說的節奏之外 , 再來就是flow跟平均度吧 , 這其中大概也有包含你“滑条要倾斜多少度” 這ㄍ要素吧我猜 , 因為"滑条角度洒满整个一二象限"這句我不太懂你指什麼
不過跳要跳多遠這件事我倒是真的沒太想過 , 我Insane跳通常不開DS做 , 我以為note會出現在任何地方這件事是作圖新流行 , 而且我覺得這也沒什麼不好 , 不要太扯就好
如果你要rank 的话，Insane GD 应该是最麻烦的。。我自己是覺得沒問題啦 , 但是萬一到了上層那關都說不ok , remove我也不會多說啥就是了 , 不要造成你的困擾

謝mod囉~~

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358,327,67363,2,0,L|276:301,1,60,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-10-02T16:14:10+00:00

Narcissu wrote:
這歌全程240 無變速，一根紅線就夠了。高BPM鼓點半減和低BPM鼓點雙倍都是很常見的情況，決定速度的是旋律軌道。還有十六節一段的曲式，方便閱讀等等的一般原則。 // 關於這個變速我是參考日本官方的音樂遊戲(太鼓之達人)的BPM 個人覺得這個是OK的這邊附上太鼓之達人的官方圖組方便給您Check 裡面也有這首歌的實際影片遊玩點這裡來確認BPM

00:56:863 - 同上，這裡副歌已經停了，所以建議kiai 也在這裡停 //好的這個我之後會全部統一

顏色太多了吧。。而且兩個粉色区分度好低 //習慣上NC的顏色比較多我會把粉色的那個換掉

你只有三個外加的音效，完全可以拼一組 // 因為有用到一般的Finish 所以才會分成s1s2

[Insane]
這個星級的TV 大部分已经上ar9，BPM 越高一般使用更高的AR 方便讀圖。ar8 打240BPM 跟開了ez 一樣 //好的我改了我一直以為我的Insane是AR9了沒有注意到謝謝~!
00:04:363 (3,4) - 00:18:363 (5,6) - 这种对称复制的排列你用太多了，不管是特殊排列像00:15:863 (1,2,1,2) - 还是音节对称的00:03:363 (3,4) - 还是前面的两个普通部分，全是水平对称的滑条。俗话说美人常见亦凡人，总是一样的排列显得枯燥僵硬而且降低了梗的特殊性。 //這個因為當初做圖的時候想說給人對稱會有比較乾淨的想法所以比較多這樣的擺法這個我會多問一點人請教一下想法看是要整組打掉重做還是保留不動這個先暫時keep一下
00:13:363 (3,4) - 00:17:363 (1,2) - 因为你基本跟人声，这里可以试着参考GD 的节奏，在人声的位置下点击 //恩...稍微看了一下想說先暫時keep一下想說跟gd的Insane做一點區別才想到這樣的擺法的
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - 01:08:363 (7,8,1) - 这两个怎么说呢。。前面那个太简单了后面那个overlap 严重太难看了。副歌中段和结束一般是音乐最激昂的时候，用这么简单的排列只能说follow sounds 不能说follow music，像那个most play的黄漫老师音乐和这里是完全一样的，她这里各个diff 用的是1/2 滑条接高难part 或者高难part 接圈。后面的不开edit 看根本注意不到距离上的关系，只会被当作是普通的遮挡。// 關於這個我也有曾經想過這個問題關於前面第一組的 00:48:863 (1,1,1,1) - 這個個人覺得我想要弄一點不同的ds在這個地方凸顯這個部分在這一部分我有試著做過很多的版本在我還沒上傳之前例如像原本這個或是使用逐漸加速滑條大距離的DS 更狠一點到使用部分連續combo來呈現最後考量到的點是難度的問題因為 Hard的星只有2.9 加上大部分的擺放都很中規中矩最後選擇了用現在這個辦法來呈現不過後面這個 01:08:863 (1) - 我可能要想一下往哪一邊擺放最初其實對這個沒有甚麼想法只是想說以flow來判斷應該是要放在這裡的不過既然有提到了我會想想這邊要怎麼修才不會有一種違和感出現
[Hard]
然后这个Hard ar 稍高了。。至少不能和Insane 一样吧 //好的我下調到7.5好了確實有點高了
01:23:863 (1) - 莫名较长……结尾spinner 最好统一一下//好的統一會跟Normal對齊

[Easy]
00:16:863 (2) - 第二根就没啥音乐支撑了，停在00:17:863 - 更合适，而且完全复制太偷懒了 //因為我比較想強調 00:18:363 - 這個尾點所以目前覺得這樣放是ok 未來如果有人提及我就會有可能把這個改掉了
00:20:863 (1) - NC 也应该统一一下，固定两节一次// 欸!? 我怎麼會在這裡NC呢xd 感謝指正~
如果你要rank 的话，Insane GD 应该是最麻烦的。。//我覺得我也有很長一段路要走呢我只能繼續加油了真的非常謝謝您~!

真的謝謝您抽空來看我的圖
有時候經由別人的提點才會知道自己的盲點到底在哪裡
不知道自己能堅持到甚麼時候但是我覺得至少我要在能mapping的時候
做出一個屬於自己的圖

最後真的再次謝謝您來看我的圖

@Xinchii 我幫你把你的尾端的轉盤長度修改了現在都在1分26秒結束了

摸圖結束後的固定gif

Narcissu

1,744 posts

Joined August 2012

Narcissu 2017-10-03T01:21:33+00:00

高BPM鼓點半減和低BPM鼓點雙倍都是很常見的情況，太鼓达人有历史原因，会有用300BPM 8分来表示150BPM 十六分，以及破300甚至500 600BPM的歌曲。大部分情况下总谱上BPM是没有变的，也不会超过300BPM，人类宁愿压缩音符时值也不会去读300以上的BPM，因为看不清。比如美しきもの最后一段副歌鼓点双倍，如果在太鼓达人里有它就会是90-180，但是实际上这个歌全程都是同一个BPM。举这个例子是因为它比较有名你可以百度搜到它的乐谱来对比。

而我判断这首歌是240 而不是120 的原因也说了，符合十六節一段的曲式。你可以任意歌曲每个长白线放一个note，并发现95%的主歌/副歌/间奏每段都是十六节。

当然我的判断依据只是依赖经验和统计而已，并不确定，而不管你用120 还是240 都是不影响打图的小事。BPM本身也是相当随便的数据，我有看过一份排满了八分花音的琵琶曲写着80BPM...

leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-10-03T06:05:37+00:00

好的关于BPM的部分我尽可能会试着找BN 或是有经验的Mapper来看一下

因为我试了一下240BPM其实是可以的大概只是要把前面的绿线改成0.5速度才不会动到任何的音符

目前我可能要收集更多方看法自己也不是很懂BPM的这一块方向

如果询问的结果是要修正的我会马上尽快修正

先拿目前的状况会再多问几位mapper 或BN的

有消息我会在这里回覆真的是非常的谢谢您让我知道了BPM的重要性> <

下次有类似的状况我会先注意的

再次的谢谢您

Ryuusei Aika

Elite Mapper

1,085 posts

Joined January 2016

Ryuusei Aika 2017-10-04T06:34:45+00:00

Hello!
From my modding queue.

Annotation

Words in red means that is an unrankable issue (= violate the "Rules" in Ranking Critiria General / Ranking Critiria in osu!) that you MUST fix.

Words in bold black means that is an issue that I highly recommand you (= either violate the "Guidelines" in Ranking Criteria General / Ranking Criteria in osu!, or I believe this issue will influence a lot of the experience of playing) to fix.

Words in black means that is an personal issue and have no big influence on your map in my eyes.

The mark "^" means "here is the same question with whose at above".

General

As "Pokemon" is already in your romanized title, so you can remove "Pokemon" from your tags in order to minimize the file size of your mapset.
Considering the consistency of the density of drum beat, even the volume of different section is different, bpm should still be changed from (120-240) to (globally 240).

Volume setting on every diff isn't quite well; using 63% volume at the verse part while using only 50% at chorus (kiai) part do not represent the changes of the song at all.
Below is my volume setting on Insane difficulty; open your "Insane" difficulty, choose "File -> Open .osu in Notepad", copy-paste the code below to replace your code, then save and re-open your Insane difficulty to look how I arrange and setting volumes: (It's an example though, you can setting values your like and I'm just give you a direction)

Volume setting code (.osz) for Insane difficulty

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 42363
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.6
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.3
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 2.999999

[Metadata]
Title:Mezase Pokemon Master -20th Anniversary-
TitleUnicode:めざせポケモンマスター -20th Anniversary-
Artist:Rika Matsumoto
ArtistUnicode:松本 梨香
Creator:leo16834
Version:Insane
Source:ポケットモンスター　サン＆ムーン
Tags:pokemon pocket monster Sun Moon satoshi Ash pikachu pokémon Xinchii CookieBite
BeatmapID:1376854
BeatmapSetID:649647

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:7
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:2.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Kommo-o.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

[TimingPoints]
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2863,-100,4,2,1,70,0,0
6488,-100,4,2,1,40,0,0
6863,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
21863,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
22863,-100,4,2,1,70,0,0
24363,-100,4,2,0,70,0,0
24488,-100,4,2,1,70,0,0
26863,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
33363,-100,4,2,1,80,0,0
34238,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
38863,-100,4,2,1,70,0,0
42363,-100,4,2,1,80,0,0
42863,250,4,2,0,90,1,0
42863,-142.857142857143,4,2,1,90,0,1
43113,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,90,0,1
43175,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,90,0,1
48863,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,92,0,1
49113,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,94,0,1
49363,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,96,0,1
49613,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,98,0,1
49863,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,100,0,1
50113,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,95,0,1
50363,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,80,0,0
50863,-142.857142857143,4,2,2,90,0,1
60863,500,4,2,0,70,1,0
60863,-100,4,2,1,70,0,0
74613,-142.857142857143,4,2,1,70,0,0
76863,-100,4,2,1,80,0,0
77113,-100,4,2,1,90,0,0
78863,-100,4,2,1,70,0,0
81738,-100,4,2,1,80,0,0
81863,500,4,2,0,50,1,0
81863,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
83363,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,50,0,0
83363,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,70,0,0
83738,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,90,0,0
86863,-100,4,2,0,5,0,0


[Colours]
Combo1 : 255,128,192
Combo2 : 255,255,128
Combo3 : 128,255,128
Combo4 : 255,128,64
Combo5 : 0,255,255
Combo6 : 255,128,255
Combo7 : 128,128,128
Combo8 : 128,128,192

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Once you accept and finished change that, using HS Copier to make sure that all difficulty using the same/near volume settings (needs to ask advices of gders of course, but I think all diffs need a volume setting change).

Easy

00:02:863 - Volume setting of uninherited timing point (the red line) and inherited timing point (the green line) conflict.
Ranking Critiria wrote:
No two uninherited or two inherited timing points can be placed at the same point. Having two uninherited or two inherited timing points on top of each other will cause unintended behavior for slider velocity and volume settings.
So, to avoid such a question, you can choose to:
(1) Delete the uninherited timing point so that the slider velocity and volume setting depends of only the inherited timing point, or
(2) Set the volume of uninherited timing point to 50% so that there are no more inconsistency between the uninherited timing point and the inherited timing point.
- [00:42:863 - : ^. Here, the kiai setting of uninherited and inherited timing points conflict, so the solution is enable "Kiai Mode" effects on the uninherited timing point.]
- [01:00:863 - : ^. Here, the hitsound sample set of uninherited and inherited timing points conflict, so the solution is to change the hitsound sample set of uninherited timing point from "S" to "S:C1".]
00:04:863 (3,1) - stack in Easy difficulty is highly discouraged.
Ranking Criteria osu! wrote:
(In an Easy difficulty) Avoid overlapping circles, slider heads, and slider tails. These can be confusing for new players. 1/1 overlaps due to distance snapping should be avoided with higher spacing or slider velocity.
And in Easy difficulty, the most discouraged usage of stack is 1/1 stacks and stacks between two adjacent objects (because that may cause a wrong judge of time interval for new players). As solution, I suggest you to put the slider 00:06:863 (1) - much further than 00:04:863 (3) - and meanwhile, keep the consistency of distance because:
Ranking Criteria osu! wrote:
(In an Easy difficulty) Time-distance equality should be used. Variations are acceptable if they are clearly different from spacing used for different rhythms. When hit objects are more than 2 beats apart and have relatively high spacing on the playfield, time-distance equality does not need to be as precise.
Here is one of my solution by not changing 00:02:863 (1,2,3) - , and is easier to fix:
Solution
- [00:24:863 (2,1) - : ^. Based on the relative position of 00:24:863 (2) - and 00:27:863 (2) - , here is one of my solution which is easier to fix too:
Solution
]
00:18:863 (1,2) - Flow here isn't quite good, means that may be difficult for new players to play due to their low playing ability.
You can see the slider 00:18:863 (1) - has a trend which lead player to move at the "upper-right" direction, while the next circle 00:19:862 (2) - has been set at its "upper-left" direction, so it can be hard and weird for new players.
A simple solution is to "re-direct" the slider 00:18:863 (1) - , make it lead player to move to the circle 00:19:862 (2) - . Here is my advice:
Solution
01:02:863 (4,5) - Blanket here isn't perfect, that means if you take a close look of those two objects, the slider 01:02:863 (4) - doesn't "encircle" the head of slider 01:03:863 (5) - perfectly: (you can telling that by looking the approaching circle)
Not perfect blanket
Blanket issue happens quite frequent in almost every mapset. By solving that, your map's aesthetic and sanitary can be highly improved.
So, to solve this kind of problem, you can just slightly adjust the shape of 01:02:863 (4) - until it "encircle" perfectly the approaching circle = "encircle" perfectly the slider head of 01:03:863 (5) - = perfectly blanketed. So the ideal situation is as the picture below:
Perfect blanket
- [00:27:863 (2,3) - / 00:30:863 (1,2) - : ^. Even they are minor and can hardly be noticed, try changing them can make your map become more perfect!]
(!!!) Generally, when we fix the blanket issue, we move the position of objects on timing line; you can see it in my 2 pictures above. So after fixing blankets, DON'T forget to bring them back to the right position on timing line!
Neat enough.

Normal

Same question on the conflicted setting betewwn uninherited timing line and inherited timing line as I mentioned in Easy difficulty.
00:08:863 (1) - nc (= new combo) here should be disabled. At the start section you set new combo on every 2 long white line, so in order to not break that consistency, it's better to disable the new combo setting here.
- [00:24:863 (7) - : ^.]
00:06:863 (2) - here, nc should be enabled. As an introduction of a new part in the whole song with a strong finish sound at it's head, it's better to emphasis it's appearance.
Besides, you have used new combo on 00:59:863 (1) - as a translation between parts and emphasize the strong music too. So it's better to set new combo here to improve the consistency and give more reasonable logic on your map and mapping.
Amazing work!

Hard

Same question on the conflicted setting betewwn uninherited timing line and inherited timing line as I mentioned in Easy difficulty.
00:29:863 (3,4,5,6) - rhythm here is quite dense compared with other section with the same intensity. For a 120 bpm 1/4 single tap (= 240 bpm 1/2 single tap), such kind of density may destroy the playability and influence a lot on experience on playing, as players who play a Hard difficulty may feel it's too hard to follow single tapping of that density.
As solution, I suggest you to give player a "rest" in this rhythm: just change the 1/4 slider 00:30:238 (5) - into a circle, so that player can have a "rest" at 00:30:363 - , which will make them more possible to clear this part and at the same time, the rhythm you have chosen has been saved:
Solution
- [01:03:863 (3,4,5,6) - : ^.]
00:41:863 (6,1) - the overlap here may mislead players. In your map, each "pair" of objects has the (approximatively) same distance or has been overlapped with each other, this overlap with a huge time interval will make players think that the time interval is way more less then what it is actually.
So you can :
(1) Either enlarge the distance between those two objects to represent properly the time interval between them;
(2) or using stack to tell players here has a change of timing interval.
Personally, the second one is easier to fix and here is my solution, with the position of 00:42:863 (1) - also changed due to my change will have some influences on few following objects:
Solution
01:06:863 (1,2,3,4) - jumps here are overdone (means there have some problems on distance change here). You can hear that the obvious drum beat are at 01:06:863 - and 01:07:363 - , while 01:07:113 - and 01:07:613 - has almost no strong beats (just background music and vocal with decreased density). Generally, how big a jump is represent how intense a part of the song is -
Ranking Criteria osu! wrote:
Jumps should be used to highlight certain sounds in the music. Because playing a jump pattern puts more pressure on the player, they naturally fit better for highlighting certain sounds.
So here, your way on putting jumps not represent the intensity of the song quite well.
As solution, I suggest you to
(1) Either give (respectively) 01:06:863 (1,2) - and 01:07:363 (3,4) - a stack;
(2) or use two 1/2 sliders to replace those 4 notes.
Personally, I prefer the second one as I think it have a extra effect: also represent a little the decrease of vocal. Based on that, here is my solution:
Solution
Mediocre.

Insane

Same question on the conflicted setting betewwn uninherited timing line and inherited timing line as I mentioned in Easy difficulty, and PLUS: at 01:21:863 - , the hitsound sample set conflict again.
00:14:863 (1,1) - a tiny overlap occurred. Tiny overlap has certain influence on aesthetic to players if they are visible and easy to be discovered (means when AR is low and/or the time interval between objects is short). So personally, I think it may be better to move up 00:15:363 (1,2) - a bit to avoid that.
00:22:863 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - jumps here are overdone. But this time, different with reasons that I have explained in Hard difficulty, here is you have give too much "pressure" (as Ranking Criteria osu! said) to players. Compared with ~1.8x distance before, the continuous 2.5x jump is still too large even rhythm here is 1/1; rather than that, it's because rhythm here is less dense then which in before that we need to nerf those jumps.
So personally, I suggest you to nerf the average distance here from ~2.5x to ~2.0x, and re-arrange them to not break the aesthetic of this part. (It can decrease difficulty too, from 4.24* to 4.04*, which is better for your "spread" -
Ranking Criteria wrote:
The difficulty spread should be linear and reasonable. Linear difficulty spread means your difficulties have a comparable gap in star rating between each other. A reasonable spread means the usage of difficulty appropriate gameplay elements.
)
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - this part, with an obvious increase on its intensity and tune, are not properly mapped here. Just using four notes and one slider with the same small distance cannot represent the change of song quite well, even they are all nc-ed (only set new combo on each note is not enough).
So here are 2 ways to improve the performance of your map:
(1) Either using jumps with distance increased, like the picture below:
Solution 1
(2) or using 4 sliders with sv increased. (and, considering that this is a insane map, you can just use +0.1x sv as public errand of sv changing.) Here is one of my idea, with a certain pattern and sv setting on the timing panel at right; you can also use other patterns you like:
Solution 2
01:22:488 (1,2,3) - try not using objects snapped on 1/12. I understand that you may want to follow as precise as possible those drum beats, but it may cause 100 during the play as 1/12 snap in a normal map is quite unusual. So I think it's better to just snap objects in this way:
Solution
Map with potential.

Xinchii's Pikachu

00:13:738 (1,2,3) - Jumps here not represent the song well. You can hear that the instrumental sound at 00:14:113 - is much more intense than which at 00:13:988 - . So, as I mentioned in Insane difficulty (how to use jumps generally), it's better to nerf the jump 00:13:738 (1,2) - . Personally, I suggest you to stack 00:13:988 (2) - with the head of 00:14:113 (3) - , which is easy to fix and also represent properly the intensity change of the song.
- [00:14:363 (4,5,6) - : ^. My solution: stack 00:14:613 (5) - with the head of 00:14:863 (1) - .]
00:43:363 (3,4) - : ^, the vocal increased its tune sharply at 00:43:613 - but you just put it on the end of a reverse slider, which is quite regrettable. To reach the aim that "emphasize we need to emphasize" (by using distance change), I suggested you to change them into 2 sliders and put them like the picture below:
Solution
- [00:51:363 (2,3) - / 00:52:363 (3,4) - : ^. The solution is literally the same.]
01:03:863 (1,2,3,4) - rhythm setting here isn't represent the song well. You can here that three strong instrumental sounds at 01:03:863 - / 01:03:988 - / 01:04:113 - , while you just using slider head (= "clickable" = good way to emphasize) on 01:03:863 - and 01:03:988 - , 01:04:113 - has been ignored.
So personally, I suggest you to arrange rhythm like this:
Rhythm Arrange
Generally not bad, but need to focus on how to flow more fluent, how to put jump more reasonable and (the most important) how to improve the aesthetic of your map.Try giving a look to ranked maps with similar bpm and difficulty is a good idea.

That's all. If you have any difficulties on understanding, don't hesitate to contact me in the way you like!
Good luck, and have fun!

CookieBite

1,483 posts

Joined August 2014

CookieBite 2017-10-04T10:02:22+00:00

Ryuusei Aika wrote:
Hello!
From my modding queue.

Annotation
Words in red means that is an unrankable issue (= violate the "Rules" in Ranking Critiria General / Ranking Critiria in osu!) that you MUST fix.

Words in bold black means that is an issue that I highly recommand you (= either violate the "Guidelines" in Ranking Criteria General / Ranking Criteria in osu!, or I believe this issue will influence a lot of the experience of playing) to fix.

Words in black means that is an personal issue and have no big influence on your map in my eyes.

The mark "^" means "here is the same question with whose at above".

Normal
Same question on the conflicted setting betewwn uninherited timing line and inherited timing line as I mentioned in Easy difficulty. // fixed
00:08:863 (1) - nc (= new combo) here should be disabled. At the start section you set new combo on every 2 long white line, so in order to not break that consistency, it's better to disable the new combo setting here. // applied
- [00:24:863 (7) - : ^.] // it's not new combo originally, what??
00:06:863 (2) - here, nc should be enabled. As an introduction of a new part in the whole song with a strong finish sound at it's head, it's better to emphasis it's appearance. // applied
Besides, you have used new combo on 00:59:863 (1) - as a translation between parts and emphasize the strong music too. So it's better to set new combo here to improve the consistency and give more reasonable logic on your map and mapping.
Amazing work!
That's all. If you have any difficulties on understanding, don't hesitate to contact me in the way you like!
Good luck, and have fun!

thanks for modding!

update

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Title:Mezase Pokemon Master -20th Anniversary-
TitleUnicode:めざせポケモンマスター -20th Anniversary-
Artist:Rika Matsumoto
ArtistUnicode:松本 梨香
Creator:leo16834
Version:CookieBite's Normal
Source:ポケットモンスター　サン＆ムーン
Tags:pokemon pocket monster Sun Moon satoshi Ash pikachu pokémon Xinchii CookieBite
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leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-10-06T16:05:05+00:00

HI~ No reply means I fix

Blue means I fix but use another method

purplemeans not change , has some myself thinks~

Ryuusei Aika wrote:
Hello!
From my modding queue.

Annotation
Words in red means that is an unrankable issue (= violate the "Rules" in Ranking Critiria General / Ranking Critiria in osu!) that you MUST fix.

Words in bold black means that is an issue that I highly recommand you (= either violate the "Guidelines" in Ranking Criteria General / Ranking Criteria in osu!, or I believe this issue will influence a lot of the experience of playing) to fix.

Words in black means that is an personal issue and have no big influence on your map in my eyes.

The mark "^" means "here is the same question with whose at above".

General
As "Pokemon" is already in your romanized title, so you can remove "Pokemon" from your tags in order to minimize the file size of your mapset.
Considering the consistency of the density of drum beat, even the volume of different section is different, bpm should still be changed from (120-240) to (globally 240). // About this one ,I will description on second posts
Volume setting on every diff isn't quite well; using 63% volume at the verse part while using only 50% at chorus (kiai) part do not represent the changes of the song at all.
Below is my volume setting on Insane difficulty; open your "Insane" difficulty, choose "File -> Open .osu in Notepad", copy-paste the code below to replace your code, then save and re-open your Insane difficulty to look how I arrange and setting volumes: (It's an example though, you can setting values your like and I'm just give you a direction)
Volume setting code (.osz) for Insane difficulty
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 42363
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.6
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.3
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 2.999999

[Metadata]
Title:Mezase Pokemon Master -20th Anniversary-
TitleUnicode:めざせポケモンマスター -20th Anniversary-
Artist:Rika Matsumoto
ArtistUnicode:松本 梨香
Creator:leo16834
Version:Insane
Source:ポケットモンスター　サン＆ムーン
Tags:pokemon pocket monster Sun Moon satoshi Ash pikachu pokémon Xinchii CookieBite
BeatmapID:1376854
BeatmapSetID:649647

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:7
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:2.4
SliderTickRate:1

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//Background and Video events
0,0,"Kommo-o.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Combo2 : 255,255,128
Combo3 : 128,255,128
Combo4 : 255,128,64
Combo5 : 0,255,255
Combo6 : 255,128,255
Combo7 : 128,128,128
Combo8 : 128,128,192

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474,111,79238,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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264,124,79613,2,0,L|353:131,1,60,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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48,123,80238,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Once you accept and finished change that, using HS Copier to make sure that all difficulty using the same/near volume settings (needs to ask advices of gders of course, but I think all diffs need a volume setting change).
Easy
00:02:863 - Volume setting of uninherited timing point (the red line) and inherited timing point (the green line) conflict.
Ranking Critiria wrote:
No two uninherited or two inherited timing points can be placed at the same point. Having two uninherited or two inherited timing points on top of each other will cause unintended behavior for slider velocity and volume settings.
So, to avoid such a question, you can choose to:
(1) Delete the uninherited timing point so that the slider velocity and volume setting depends of only the inherited timing point, or
(2) Set the volume of uninherited timing point to 50% so that there are no more inconsistency between the uninherited timing point and the inherited timing point.
- [00:42:863 - : ^. Here, the kiai setting of uninherited and inherited timing points conflict, so the solution is enable "Kiai Mode" effects on the uninherited timing point.]
- [01:00:863 - : ^. Here, the hitsound sample set of uninherited and inherited timing points conflict, so the solution is to change the hitsound sample set of uninherited timing point from "S" to "S:C1".]
00:04:863 (3,1) - stack in Easy difficulty is highly discouraged.
Ranking Criteria osu! wrote:
(In an Easy difficulty) Avoid overlapping circles, slider heads, and slider tails. These can be confusing for new players. 1/1 overlaps due to distance snapping should be avoided with higher spacing or slider velocity.
And in Easy difficulty, the most discouraged usage of stack is 1/1 stacks and stacks between two adjacent objects (because that may cause a wrong judge of time interval for new players). As solution, I suggest you to put the slider 00:06:863 (1) - much further than 00:04:863 (3) - and meanwhile, keep the consistency of distance because:
Ranking Criteria osu! wrote:
(In an Easy difficulty) Time-distance equality should be used. Variations are acceptable if they are clearly different from spacing used for different rhythms. When hit objects are more than 2 beats apart and have relatively high spacing on the playfield, time-distance equality does not need to be as precise.
Here is one of my solution by not changing 00:02:863 (1,2,3) - , and is easier to fix:
Solution
- [00:24:863 (2,1) - : ^. Based on the relative position of 00:24:863 (2) - and 00:27:863 (2) - , here is one of my solution which is easier to fix too:
Solution
] // Umm... I will think about this ,bcz I think not move is easier than move

00:18:863 (1,2) - Flow here isn't quite good, means that may be difficult for new players to play due to their low playing ability.
You can see the slider 00:18:863 (1) - has a trend which lead player to move at the "upper-right" direction, while the next circle 00:19:862 (2) - has been set at its "upper-left" direction, so it can be hard and weird for new players.
A simple solution is to "re-direct" the slider 00:18:863 (1) - , make it lead player to move to the circle 00:19:862 (2) - . Here is my advice:
Solution
01:02:863 (4,5) - Blanket here isn't perfect, that means if you take a close look of those two objects, the slider 01:02:863 (4) - doesn't "encircle" the head of slider 01:03:863 (5) - perfectly: (you can telling that by looking the approaching circle)
Not perfect blanket
Blanket issue happens quite frequent in almost every mapset. By solving that, your map's aesthetic and sanitary can be highly improved.
So, to solve this kind of problem, you can just slightly adjust the shape of 01:02:863 (4) - until it "encircle" perfectly the approaching circle = "encircle" perfectly the slider head of 01:03:863 (5) - = perfectly blanketed. So the ideal situation is as the picture below:
Perfect blanket
- [00:27:863 (2,3) - / 00:30:863 (1,2) - : ^. Even they are minor and can hardly be noticed, try changing them can make your map become more perfect!]
(!!!) Generally, when we fix the blanket issue, we move the position of objects on timing line; you can see it in my 2 pictures above. So after fixing blankets, DON'T forget to bring them back to the right position on timing line! //
Neat enough.
[/color]

Hard
Same question on the conflicted setting betewwn uninherited timing line and inherited timing line as I mentioned in Easy difficulty.
00:29:863 (3,4,5,6) - rhythm here is quite dense compared with other section with the same intensity. For a 120 bpm 1/4 single tap (= 240 bpm 1/2 single tap), such kind of density may destroy the playability and influence a lot on experience on playing, as players who play a Hard difficulty may feel it's too hard to follow single tapping of that density.
As solution, I suggest you to give player a "rest" in this rhythm: just change the 1/4 slider 00:30:238 (5) - into a circle, so that player can have a "rest" at 00:30:363 - , which will make them more possible to clear this part and at the same time, the rhythm you have chosen has been saved:
Solution
- [01:03:863 (3,4,5,6) - : ^.] // About this one , I still want to follow long voice. bcz 00:30:363 - is so loud , the same on behind one
00:41:863 (6,1) - the overlap here may mislead players. In your map, each "pair" of objects has the (approximatively) same distance or has been overlapped with each other, this overlap with a huge time interval will make players think that the time interval is way more less then what it is actually.
So you can :
(1) Either enlarge the distance between those two objects to represent properly the time interval between them;
(2) or using stack to tell players here has a change of timing interval.
Personally, the second one is easier to fix and here is my solution, with the position of 00:42:863 (1) - also changed due to my change will have some influences on few following objects:
Solution
// Umm... I think this is fine on this level
01:06:863 (1,2,3,4) - jumps here are overdone (means there have some problems on distance change here). You can hear that the obvious drum beat are at 01:06:863 - and 01:07:363 - , while 01:07:113 - and 01:07:613 - has almost no strong beats (just background music and vocal with decreased density). Generally, how big a jump is represent how intense a part of the song is -
Ranking Criteria osu! wrote:
Jumps should be used to highlight certain sounds in the music. Because playing a jump pattern puts more pressure on the player, they naturally fit better for highlighting certain sounds.
So here, your way on putting jumps not represent the intensity of the song quite well.
As solution, I suggest you to
(1) Either give (respectively) 01:06:863 (1,2) - and 01:07:363 (3,4) - a stack;
(2) or use two 1/2 sliders to replace those 4 notes.
Personally, I prefer the second one as I think it have a extra effect: also represent a little the decrease of vocal. Based on that, here is my solution:
Solution
// Change this one ds ,and use some soft follow , I want keep four circles
Mediocre.

Insane
Same question on the conflicted setting betewwn uninherited timing line and inherited timing line as I mentioned in Easy difficulty, and PLUS: at 01:21:863 - , the hitsound sample set conflict again.
00:14:863 (1,1) - a tiny overlap occurred. Tiny overlap has certain influence on aesthetic to players if they are visible and easy to be discovered (means when AR is low and/or the time interval between objects is short). So personally, I think it may be better to move up 00:15:363 (1,2) - a bit to avoid that.
00:22:863 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - jumps here are overdone. But this time, different with reasons that I have explained in Hard difficulty, here is you have give too much "pressure" (as Ranking Criteria osu! said) to players. Compared with ~1.8x distance before, the continuous 2.5x jump is still too large even rhythm here is 1/1; rather than that, it's because rhythm here is less dense then which in before that we need to nerf those jumps.
So personally, I suggest you to nerf the average distance here from ~2.5x to ~2.0x, and re-arrange them to not break the aesthetic of this part. (It can decrease difficulty too, from 4.24* to 4.04*, which is better for your "spread" -
Ranking Criteria wrote:
The difficulty spread should be linear and reasonable. Linear difficulty spread means your difficulties have a comparable gap in star rating between each other. A reasonable spread means the usage of difficulty appropriate gameplay elements.
)
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - this part, with an obvious increase on its intensity and tune, are not properly mapped here. Just using four notes and one slider with the same small distance cannot represent the change of song quite well, even they are all nc-ed (only set new combo on each note is not enough).
So here are 2 ways to improve the performance of your map:
(1) Either using jumps with distance increased, like the picture below:
Solution 1
(2) or using 4 sliders with sv increased. (and, considering that this is a insane map, you can just use +0.1x sv as public errand of sv changing.) Here is one of my idea, with a certain pattern and sv setting on the timing panel at right; you can also use other patterns you like:
Solution 2
// I think this part is not hard to read and I use NC let player can easy to read . I think it fine
01:22:488 (1,2,3) - try not using objects snapped on 1/12. I understand that you may want to follow as precise as possible those drum beats, but it may cause 100 during the play as 1/12 snap in a normal map is quite unusual. So I think it's better to just snap objects in this way:
Solution
Map with potential.

That's all. If you have any difficulties on understanding, don't hesitate to contact me in the way you like!
Good luck, and have fun!

Wow , Amazing mod~ I want to give you 10 kds > <

I will update later

Thanks for your modding~

2nd post is about BPM issue

leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-10-06T16:21:28+00:00

This post is about BPM issue

I try to ask some experienced mappers and BN this problem

They have given me some response

(Chinese)

About Regou:
21:38 leo16834: 因為我照日本官方的太鼓街機條出來的bpm 不知道用這樣的想法是否可行
21:39 Regou: 如果是這樣的話那應該是沒問題的!!

About GD Xinchii
01:16 leo16834: 關於那個bpm120-240的問題想說我是參照日本官方太鼓機台來的不知道這樣是否可以呢所以想問問看
01:17 Xinchii: 我覺得其實可以也 , 都有官方音G出處的數值應該是可以引用

About GD Cookiebite
20:52 CookieBite: 總之你決定吧xd (如果是正式音game我覺得跟那個較好)

About BN Chaoslitz (PM)
基本上歌能支援的話是沒有問題的(主要可以聽聽鼓聲)
嘛我認為這個120-240應該是沒錯的

So I think BPM on non-kiai time use 120 bpm , kiai time use 240 bpm is fine

Mainly because official Taiko game set this 120-240 bpm, I choose this set on it

So keep this bpm

(bad English ;w;

)

Gaia

2,808 posts

Joined May 2013

Gaia 2017-10-07T00:48:57+00:00

[e]
00:14:863 (1,2) - 突然只放兩ㄍ滑條跟之前ㄅㄧ至喔
00:20:863 (4) - + reverse? 不然節奏很難抓
00:36:363 (2) - clap
00:50:863 (1) - 這疊的不適合easy 太難讀ㄌ
00:56:988 (1,1) - 1000ms 而已應該不太夠, 跟bn確認一下吧
01:00:863 (1,2,3,4) - flow 有點怪

[CookieBite]
00:07:863 (4) - clap on end
00:09:363 (2,3) - polarity sux here, do this instead

00:13:363 (5,6) - ^ reverse plz; 00:17:363 (5,6) - and others same thing
00:20:863 (5) - since it's a normal, shorten by 1/2 and make this circle + slider ?
00:33:863 (7) - clap on end
00:56:863 (1,1) - similar with easy, i dont think 500ms is enough for spinner gap in normal.

[h]
不知道該說些啥, 這比較接近light insane, 我覺得你會需要一ㄍ真正的hard. 1/4 節奏太多然後kiai開始spacing突然變好大. 也有些polarityㄉ問題所以我就先跳過瞜

[i]
00:09:863 (5) - 歌聲

00:13:738 (5) - clap
00:16:863 (3) - NC. 之前都是1/4 突然改1/2 但spacing是一樣ㄉ
00:20:863 (1,2,3,4) - 試試ㄅ

00:40:863 (1,2,3,4,5) - 有點突然讓他們overlap吧
00:47:863 (1,3) - 00:50:363 (1,2) - (還有其他) 為啥reverse
00:59:363 (1,2) - 這疊只是牛逼而已 http://puu.sh/xRPx3/08326d3d92.jpg
01:03:863 (1,2,3,4) - 跟小喇叭不錯吧

01:22:488 (1,2,3,1) - 太難打ㄌ要用滑條改polarity

圈沒有leniency 所以那種節奏是ㄅ可以ㄉ

[真姬ㄉ皮卡丘]
00:11:363 (4) - 遠? http://puu.sh/xRPJa/7a335f4aae.jpg
00:16:863 (1,2,3) - 87ㄛ
00:22:863 (1,2,1,2) - 兩combo對稱著擺吧
00:50:363 (1,2,3,4) - http://puu.sh/xcGAU/9f06b58443.jpg
00:52:863 (1,2,3,4) - 為啥要這樣疊阿難看ㄝ
00:55:113 (2) - ^ 還有我沒聽到1/4喔 00:55:613 (4) - 00:56:113 (2) - 00:56:613 (4) - 也是

妮可妮愛你呦 (๑・ω-)～♥”

CookieBite

1,483 posts

Joined August 2014

CookieBite 2017-10-07T01:20:50+00:00

Gaia wrote:
[CookieBite]
00:07:863 (4) - clap on end // applied
00:09:363 (2,3) - polarity sux here, do this instead // applied
00:13:363 (5,6) - ^ reverse plz; 00:17:363 (5,6) - and others same thing // applied
00:20:863 (5) - since it's a normal, shorten by 1/2 and make this circle + slider ? // want to emphasize the drum
00:33:863 (7) - clap on end // applied
00:56:863 (1,1) - similar with easy, i dont think 500ms is enough for spinner gap in normal. // shortened the spinner

thanks for modding!

@leo recopy hitsound i think i did mess it up a bit

update

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 42363
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.6
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.7

[Metadata]
Title:Mezase Pokemon Master -20th Anniversary-
TitleUnicode:めざせポケモンマスター -20th Anniversary-
Artist:Rika Matsumoto
ArtistUnicode:松本 梨香
Creator:leo16834
Version:CookieBite's Normal
Source:ポケットモンスター　サン＆ムーン
Tags:pokemon pocket monster Sun Moon satoshi Ash pikachu pokémon Xinchii CookieBite
BeatmapID:1393885
BeatmapSetID:649647

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:4
CircleSize:3
OverallDifficulty:4
ApproachRate:5.5
SliderMultiplier:1.2
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Kommo-o.jpg",0,0
Video,0,"SunMoon.avi"
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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2863,-100,4,2,1,80,0,0
6863,-100,4,2,1,63,0,0
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60863,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
81863,500,4,2,0,50,1,0
86863,-100,4,2,0,30,0,0


[Colours]
Combo1 : 255,128,192
Combo2 : 255,255,128
Combo3 : 128,255,128
Combo4 : 255,128,64
Combo5 : 0,255,255
Combo6 : 255,128,255
Combo7 : 128,128,128
Combo8 : 128,128,192

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Affirmation

2,543 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-10-07T10:06:54+00:00

Q

[Insane]
00:05:613 - adding beat can be good for reading.
00:14:863 (1,1) - 00:15:113 (2,2) - 00:15:863 (1,3) - 00:16:613 (2,4) - Could you avoid this linear overlap? looks dirty..
00:47:925 - 00:48:425 - beats look unnecessary
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - I felt weird cause you used antijump at this emphasis.
01:13:863 (5,1) - why this part has empty sound? I don't think this empty beats looks not so good...

GL

leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-10-07T17:35:11+00:00

Gaia wrote:
[e]
00:14:863 (1,2) - 突然只放兩ㄍ滑條跟之前ㄅㄧ至喔 //恩~ 關於這個我想說因為這裡是個rap比前段密集的部分所以想說用滑條來呈現
00:20:863 (4) - + reverse? 不然節奏很難抓 //恩~ 不是很懂這個的意思不過我猜了一下應該是作來回的樣子我先改先等待你的回應
00:36:363 (2) - clap 修正了
00:50:863 (1) - 這疊的不適合easy 太難讀ㄌ //這個我看了一下差不多在點完5這個circle的時候 2滑條就會出來了所以我覺得1應該是ok的我會在多看幾個在這個上面的謝謝~
00:56:988 (1,1) - 1000ms 而已應該不太夠, 跟bn確認一下吧// 把前面的轉盤修短了感謝提醒確實短了點
01:00:863 (1,2,3,4) - flow 有點怪 //這個我覺得還好耶多看幾個好了因為剛好壓好壓滿

[h]
不知道該說些啥, 這比較接近light insane, 我覺得你會需要一ㄍ真正的hard. 1/4 節奏太多然後kiai開始spacing突然變好大. 也有些polarityㄉ問題所以我就先跳過瞜
//哇哇突然有點困擾啊~
[i]
00:09:863 (5) - 歌聲 //改了
00:13:738 (5) - clap// 改了怎麼我都會漏掉這些> <
00:16:863 (3) - NC. 之前都是1/4 突然改1/2 但spacing是一樣ㄉ改了
00:20:863 (1,2,3,4) - 試試ㄅ //還不錯耶改了
00:40:863 (1,2,3,4,5) - 有點突然讓他們overlap吧// 這個我先看一下我覺得也很ok 不過暫時不修找幾個人測測看好了
00:47:863 (1,3) - 00:50:363 (1,2) - (還有其他) 為啥reverse //恩~ 假設是取消來回的話因為我還蠻想要強調這裡的加上後面因為有幾個類似這種的我想要作個提醒就放了我覺得是ok啦提醒也很到位
00:59:363 (1,2) - 這疊只是牛逼而已 http://puu.sh/xRPx3/08326d3d92.jpg // 改了~
01:03:863 (1,2,3,4) - 跟小喇叭不錯吧 //哇哇真的很好耶改了
01:22:488 (1,2,3,1) - 太難打ㄌ要用滑條改polarity 圈沒有leniency 所以那種節奏是ㄅ可以ㄉ //你幫我把長久以來的心頭解決了> < 非常感謝!!

妮可妮愛你呦 (๑・ω-)～♥” // NicoNicoNi~

哇真的很感謝您特地來看我的圖萬分感謝 ;w; 解決了好多我節奏的問題

感謝摸圖

Neoskylove wrote:
Q

[Insane]
00:05:613 - adding beat can be good for reading. //Umm I think it a little strange
00:14:863 (1,1) - 00:15:113 (2,2) - 00:15:863 (1,3) - 00:16:613 (2,4) - Could you avoid this linear overlap? looks dirty..
//00:14:863 (1,1) - 00:15:113 (2,2) - my bad , Fixed 00:15:863 (1,3) - 00:16:613 (2,4) - I think this is ok bcz has some times ds
00:47:925 - 00:48:425 - beats look unnecessary//Umm I want to emphasize and remind behind note
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - I felt weird cause you used antijump at this emphasis. //I think it ok bcz this part has heavy voice , want to emphasize
01:13:863 (5,1) - why this part has empty sound? I don't think this empty beats looks not so good... //I will think about it~ bcz I want to feel the vocal

GL

Thanks for your modding~

@CookieBite: I check hitsound and change hitsound voice~

看著你~

audinor

audinor 2017-10-07T17:50:05+00:00

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jonathanlfj

Elite Mapper

2,568 posts

Joined February 2010

jonathanlfj 2017-10-29T02:03:05+00:00

[General]
Check in every diff whether there are green lines on red lines with different volume/kiai settings:
00:02:863 - (volume level)
00:42:863 - (kiai)

[Easy]
00:22:863 (1,2) - these sliders could use more red nodes to make the slider"turn" every time the vocals change, just like 00:14:863 (1,2)
00:32:863 (3) - nice shape but it should be just a lighting for that pikachu like the other diffs xD
00:39:863 (2) - be careful with placing the circle this low, due to the CS it overlaps the hiterror bar quite a bit
01:14:613 (1) - clap
01:23:363 (1) - should be a slider like the other diffs, the spinner starts later anyways

[Normal]
00:22:863 (3) - missing finish on the start
00:28:863 (5) - clap should be on this instead of 00:29:863 (6)
01:19:863 (3) - clap end
Solid diff, but I feel like there are random hitsounding holes throughout the map, might want to check that over especially the finish and clap patterns

[Hard]
00:24:863 (5) - forgot NC
00:40:863 (4,5,6) - due to the increase in music intensity, I suggest you use all circles here instead to bring out the build up feel
01:00:863 (1,2) - give these a bit more spacing, its tempting to hit as 1/4 right now
01:14:738 (1) - clap

[Insane]
00:25:113 (1,2,3) - if you want to have a nice transition into the dense rhythm you can try using 1/4s here to cover the background drums
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - a more suitable option is to gradually increase spacing here to represent the pitch shift in the music (also you can do low -> high volume change as well)
01:14:738 (1) - clap
01:22:613 (2) - should start at 01:22:581

[Xinchii's Pikachu]
00:05:738 (1) - i would silence the end on this, sounds a bit out of place
00:14:863 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - if you had the NCs in 2s this would be a lot cooler (and easier to read)
00:44:363 (3,4) - this played a bit weird because the stronger stress beat is on the vocals at 00:44:613, so its best if you made that a clickable place
01:03:863 (1,2,3,4) - tbh i got really confused here, it sounds like you are following the trumpet but also trying to catch the feint 1/4s, which makes it really hard to interpret. It's best if you keep the rhythm here simple as i can see a lot of random breaks happening. http://puu.sh/y9zGc.jpg
01:22:613 (3) - this is supposed to start at 01:22:581, you might have to redo the pattern here due to the messed up timing
01:23:113 (4) - and this should have the same snapping as the repeat slider in Insane

Solid mapset, call me back after you fix the timing lines and snapping

CookieBite

1,483 posts

Joined August 2014

CookieBite 2017-10-29T02:09:42+00:00

@leo help me fix thank you :3

leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-10-29T13:32:13+00:00

CookieBite wrote:
@leo help me fix thank you :3

Fixed

jonathanlfj wrote:
[General]
Check in every diff whether there are green lines on red lines with different volume/kiai settings:
00:02:863 - (volume level)
00:42:863 - (kiai)

[Easy]
00:22:863 (1,2) - these sliders could use more red nodes to make the slider"turn" every time the vocals change, just like 00:14:863 (1,2)
00:32:863 (3) - nice shape but it should be just a lighting for that pikachu like the other diffs xD
00:39:863 (2) - be careful with placing the circle this low, due to the CS it overlaps the hiterror bar quite a bit
01:14:613 (1) - clap
01:23:363 (1) - should be a slider like the other diffs, the spinner starts later anyways //About this one I want to easy this part. Because Silder+Spinner I think a little hard , I keep this part

[Normal]
00:22:863 (3) - missing finish on the start
00:28:863 (5) - clap should be on this instead of 00:29:863 (6)
01:19:863 (3) - clap end
Solid diff, but I feel like there are random hitsounding holes throughout the map, might want to check that over especially the finish and clap patterns

[Hard]
00:24:863 (5) - forgot NC
00:40:863 (4,5,6) - due to the increase in music intensity, I suggest you use all circles here instead to bring out the build up feel
01:00:863 (1,2) - give these a bit more spacing, its tempting to hit as 1/4 right now
01:14:738 (1) - clap

[Insane]
00:25:113 (1,2,3) - if you want to have a nice transition into the dense rhythm you can try using 1/4s here to cover the background drums
00:48:863 (1,1,1,1,1) - a more suitable option is to gradually increase spacing here to represent the pitch shift in the music (also you can do low -> high volume change as well)
01:14:738 (1) - clap
01:22:613 (2) - should start at 01:22:581

Solid mapset, call me back after you fix the timing lines and snapping

No reply means I fixed , Thanks for your modding~ waitting GD insane~

Xinchii

1,240 posts

Joined January 2011

Xinchii 2017-11-07T09:59:11+00:00

Gaia wrote:
[真姬ㄉ皮卡丘]
00:11:363 (4) - 遠? http://puu.sh/xRPJa/7a335f4aae.jpg 好喔
00:16:863 (1,2,3) - 87ㄛ潮ㄉ
00:22:863 (1,2,1,2) - 兩combo對稱著擺吧這邊我想要漸進變大ㄉ間距內
00:50:363 (1,2,3,4) - http://puu.sh/xcGAU/9f06b58443.jpg Yosoro問號 , 可是我覺得這樣很潮(?)
00:52:863 (1,2,3,4) - 為啥要這樣疊阿難看ㄝ
00:55:113 (2) - ^ 還有我沒聽到1/4喔 00:55:613 (4) - 00:56:113 (2) - 00:56:613 (4) - 也是後面這兩個我一時想不到要怎麼改才好 :< , 先這樣看看

妮可妮愛你呦 (๑・ω-)～♥”
ナ!....ナニソレイミワカナイ!! >///<

謝摸~

jonathanlfj wrote:
[Xinchii's Pikachu]
00:05:738 (1) - i would silence the end on this, sounds a bit out of place OK~
00:14:863 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - if you had the NCs in 2s this would be a lot cooler (and easier to read) Fixed
00:44:363 (3,4) - this played a bit weird because the stronger stress beat is on the vocals at 00:44:613, so its best if you made that a clickable place umm , but I want to keep this to symmetry with afterward part
01:03:863 (1,2,3,4) - tbh i got really confused here, it sounds like you are following the trumpet but also trying to catch the feint 1/4s, which makes it really hard to interpret. It's best if you keep the rhythm here simple as i can see a lot of random breaks happening. fixed~http://puu.sh/y9zGc.jpg
01:22:613 (3) - this is supposed to start at 01:22:581, you might have to redo the pattern here due to the messed up timing fixed
01:23:113 (4) - and this should have the same snapping as the repeat slider in Insane redo all this part so .. also change here~

Thanks for mod~~

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leo16834

471 posts

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leo16834 2017-11-07T16:21:59+00:00

update~

jonathanlfj

Elite Mapper

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Joined February 2010

jonathanlfj 2017-11-12T03:17:02+00:00

alright

leo16834

471 posts

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leo16834 2017-11-12T13:53:47+00:00

Whao~ Thanks jonathanlfj~

and 200 post here xd

Xinchii

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Joined January 2011

Xinchii 2017-11-13T04:19:35+00:00

wawa

CookieBite

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Joined August 2014

CookieBite 2017-11-14T11:18:59+00:00

woah first bubble

leo16834

471 posts

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leo16834 2017-11-16T18:09:31+00:00

with spboxer3

21:11 spboxer3: 轉盤後的下一物件 E 4拍 N 2拍 H 1拍
21:11 spboxer3: 然後紅線+綠線 custom音效組不同
21:11 spboxer3: 轉自小船
21:12 leo16834: 好的我馬上改~

Thank you very much > <

jonathanlfj

Elite Mapper

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Joined February 2010

jonathanlfj 2017-11-16T20:19:51+00:00

better safe than sorry

spboxer3

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spboxer3 2017-11-16T22:45:43+00:00

leo16834 wrote:
with spboxer3
21:11 spboxer3: 轉盤後的下一物件 E 4拍 N 2拍 H 1拍
21:11 spboxer3: 然後紅線+綠線 custom音效組不同
21:11 spboxer3: 轉自小船
21:12 leo16834: 好的我馬上改~

Thank you very much > <

not me, it's smallboat

smallboat

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smallboat 2017-11-17T05:18:59+00:00

Poke bubble due to find two unrank element need to be fixed.

可能是我跟sp沒說清楚，看了一下你們IRC轉告的句子好像沒註明解決方式，我這邊重載後，那兩個問題還是在，那我打的詳細一點好了。

[CookieBite's Normal]

00:42:863的紅綠線音效組不同，現在是一個C1，一個C2，現在的年代要把音效組數字改成相同數字才不會被unrank。

[Hard]

01:14:738 (1,1) - 現在你這邊的轉盤到下一個物件節拍距離是"半"拍，
而現在的潛規則是Easy diff要隔4拍，Normal diff要隔2拍，Hard diff要隔"1"拍，Insane半拍，Extra無限制，
所以你這就Hard是半拍就不對了，建議是刪掉這個轉盤加點節奏就好。

[Insane]

01:19:863 (5) - 音效是finish 不是whistle (應該還是有一些漏掉的finish不只這一個，但這漏的很明顯，可以每個diff再重聽看看)

~~尷尬的 spboxer3 和 smallboat~~ orz

leo16834

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Topic Starter

leo16834 2017-11-17T07:15:54+00:00

smallboat wrote:
Poke bubble due to find two unrank element need to be fixed.

可能是我跟sp沒說清楚，看了一下你們IRC轉告的句子好像沒註明解決方式，我這邊重載後，那兩個問題還是在，那我打的詳細一點好了。//真的是不好意思是我的不好復原應該是按過頭了

[CookieBite's Normal]

00:42:863的紅綠線音效組不同，現在是一個C1，一個C2，現在的年代要把音效組數字改成相同數字才不會被unrank。//這個關於音效的音效組跟CookieBite說幫他改了

[Hard]

01:14:738 (1,1) - 現在你這邊的轉盤到下一個物件節拍距離是"半"拍，
而現在的潛規則是Easy diff要隔4拍，Normal diff要隔2拍，Hard diff要隔"1"拍，Insane半拍，Extra無限制，
所以你這就Hard是半拍就不對了，建議是刪掉這個轉盤加點節奏就好。 //我把轉盤拿掉了加了點音拍進去現在可以再稍微確認一下

[Insane]

01:19:863 (5) - 音效是finish 不是whistle (應該還是有一些漏掉的finish不只這一個，但這漏的很明顯，可以每個diff再重聽看看)//昨天邀效檢查了4小時還是漏了;w; 我確認過了現在沒有問題了 01:19:863 (5) - 改了Finish 另外檢察發現這個 00:49:863 (1) - 也錯了都改過來了現在Hard跟Insane都有39個Finish Normal為37個主要是GD的節奏跟我的選擇不一樣少00:56:863 - (這裡直接是轉盤) 01:10:738 - (這裡是跟人聲) Easy為25個Finish

~~尷尬的 spboxer3 和 smallboat~~ orz //我也覺得非常的抱歉> < 半夜修圖為什麼失誤率這麼高