16:58 SawySavvy: Watched a guy play my song on DT
16:59 SawySavvy: And he fucked up at the same spot 3 times
16:59 SawySavvy: And i thiiink i know why
16:59 SawySavvy: It's the only 4x repeat slider i have
16:59 SawySavvy: And every else is 3x
16:59 SawySavvy: But it makes sense beatwise to have 4x
16:59 SawySavvy: So i'm considering on making 2 shorter sliders instead
16:59 SawySavvy: Creating the same beat and following the past pattern of the song better
16:59 SawySavvy: Player friendly stuff
16:59 SawySavvy: Wanted your opinion o it
16:59 SawySavvy: on it *
17:00 pingal1ty: idk I yesterday missed like 3 times on the same spot aswell
17:00 pingal1ty: playing nomod xD
17:03 SawySavvy: 01:45:209 (12) -
17:03 SawySavvy: That one
17:03 SawySavvy: I think that should be changed to 2x normal sliders
17:03 SawySavvy: That 4x is throwing most of my testers off
17:03 SawySavvy: FC ?
17:03 SawySavvy: gj
17:04 pingal1ty: man that was tiresome as fuck, perhaps its because haven't played or warmed up
17:04 SawySavvy: I'm thinking on making that ending harder
17:04 pingal1ty: but I felt like "when's the pause coming?"
17:04 SawySavvy: It's almost 800 combo
17:04 SawySavvy: It's a long song
17:04 SawySavvy: With constant jumps
17:04 SawySavvy: mhm
17:04 SawySavvy: I've been considering trying to work a longer pause in somewhere
17:04 SawySavvy: But dunno if it's possible
17:04 SawySavvy: Considering how the song is
17:04 SawySavvy: I could fit in more ''1-2'' beat pauses though
17:04 SawySavvy: For sure
17:05 SawySavvy: The fine tuning phase starts today
17:05 SawySavvy: But check the 4x i pasted
17:05 SawySavvy: 01:45:209 (12) -
17:05 SawySavvy: I think it's better as 2x normal sliders
17:05 pingal1ty: I'm not a musician but
17:05 SawySavvy: That's the one that have fucked up combos for my DT testers
17:05 pingal1ty: I think the chorus or important part or whatever you wanna call it
17:05 pingal1ty: would start here 00:42:684 (1) -
17:06 pingal1ty: right?
17:06 SawySavvy: aye
17:06 SawySavvy: That 1 beat is the start of the chorous
17:06 SawySavvy: Thus the small pause before aswell
17:06 pingal1ty: and it would end here 01:15:907 (9) -
17:07 SawySavvy: nope
17:07 SawySavvy: ends
17:07 pingal1ty: no?
17:07 SawySavvy: 00:57:450 (10) -
17:07 SawySavvy: The part after is a form of a bridge
17:07 SawySavvy: The background du dum du dum sounds''
17:08 SawySavvy: Or well
17:08 SawySavvy: Depends on how you see it
17:08 SawySavvy: 01:15:907 (9) -
17:08 SawySavvy: The piano sound there
17:08 SawySavvy: is the start of the next verse for sure though
17:08 pingal1ty: well I think the jumps that come after the 57 are cool for a kiai
17:08 pingal1ty: you could end it after the 4 sliders aswell
17:08 SawySavvy: kiai ?
17:10 SawySavvy: 01:44:978 (11) -
17:10 SawySavvy: Perhaps that one
17:10 SawySavvy: Should start a normal slider
17:10 SawySavvy: Instead of that 4x repeat after
17:10 SawySavvy: it makes sense i think
17:11 pingal1ty: kiai is the brown/orange thing I show you yesterday
17:11 pingal1ty: while playing the game makes the circles and sliders flash
17:11 pingal1ty: dunno if you ever noticed
17:11 SawySavvy: aaah
17:11 pingal1ty: they blink
17:11 SawySavvy: yh
17:11 SawySavvy: What
17:11 SawySavvy: I had no idea ._.
17:12 pingal1ty: its used for the chorus part
17:12 SawySavvy: DAMN
17:12 SawySavvy: I love this change
17:12 *pingal1ty is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1262832 ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX- [Soliloquy]]
17:12 SawySavvy: You have your version now
17:12 SawySavvy: at
17:12 pingal1ty: here you can see it and hear it clearly
17:12 SawySavvy: 01:44:517 (10) -
17:12 SawySavvy: I'll check it
17:12 SawySavvy: But mate
17:12 SawySavvy: Look at the part after
17:12 SawySavvy: 01:44:517 (10) -
17:12 SawySavvy: Gonna update
17:12 SawySavvy: Then check
17:12 SawySavvy: 01:44:517 (10,11,12) -
17:12 SawySavvy: ^Save that one for now till i've updated
17:12 SawySavvy: That change worked great imo *-*
17:13 SawySavvy: Update done
17:13 SawySavvy: Lets see what you ment
17:14 SawySavvy: Aaah
17:14 SawySavvy: That's cool ._.
17:14 SawySavvy: Even says Kiai at the top left
17:14 pingal1ty: 01:44:517 (10,11) -
17:14 pingal1ty: they overlap badly
17:15 pingal1ty: but you can 01:45:439 (12) - ctrl c this
17:15 pingal1ty: then ctrl H
17:15 pingal1ty: perhaps need ctrl G aswell
17:15 pingal1ty: and place it kinda simmetrically
17:15 pingal1ty: dunno if you get the idea
17:16 SawySavvy: Dont really know what you mean
17:16 SawySavvy: The placement of them are bad i agree
17:16 SawySavvy: But listen to the timings
17:16 SawySavvy: And the idea instead of that 4x
17:16 SawySavvy: It makes so much more sense imo
17:16 SawySavvy: What is Ctrl c and ctrl h doing btw `?
17:17 pingal1ty: something like this : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8778243
17:17 SawySavvy: Lets see
17:17 pingal1ty: ctrl c = copy, ctrl h = flip horizontal
17:17 SawySavvy: Funny
17:17 SawySavvy: I just did something similar, the idea of it
17:17 pingal1ty: ctrl + g = swaps circles or if you do in a slider it swaps head and tail.
17:18 SawySavvy: https://puu.sh/x39md/989836f190.jpg
17:18 SawySavvy: oooh
17:18 SawySavvy: I've been wanting to know that xD
17:18 SawySavvy: ctrl+g xD
17:18 SawySavvy: Been redoing every one i did wrong now
17:18 SawySavvy: instead of using that command
17:18 pingal1ty: yup look at the editor options man
17:18 pingal1ty: it has not that many
17:18 pingal1ty: but the ones it has are really usefull
17:19 pingal1ty: specially ctrl g ctrl h ctrl k are really good
17:19 pingal1ty: the rotate tool aswell I show you yesterday
17:19 pingal1ty: its great
17:19 pingal1ty: for consistency
17:19 pingal1ty: you for example do a straight slider
17:19 pingal1ty: completelly straight
17:19 pingal1ty: then select it and use the rotate tool
17:19 pingal1ty: select ie 10º
17:20 pingal1ty: and that's it
17:20 SawySavvy: Rotate tool i've used today
17:20 SawySavvy: It's nice
17:20 pingal1ty: you can copy/paste easily that slider for the whole song
17:20 SawySavvy: I kinda copied your layout for that former 4x
17:20 pingal1ty: and adjust for what you need
17:20 SawySavvy: It's so much better now *-*
17:21 SawySavvy: Help me look at the ending now
17:21 SawySavvy: Had a DT player saying he would not mind seeing a harder ending
17:21 SawySavvy: Last 4 notes
17:21 SawySavvy: sliders + that last single tap
17:21 SawySavvy: 03:13:343 (1,2,3,4) -
17:21 SawySavvy: Should i space the sliders further away from eachother ?
17:21 SawySavvy: To make it hard ?
17:21 SawySavvy: Perhaps a triangle pointing inwards ?
17:21 pingal1ty: no
17:22 pingal1ty: because then it goes like kickslider shit
17:22 pingal1ty: that everyone hates
17:22 pingal1ty: the way you made it its perfect imho
17:22 SawySavvy: So it's fine as it is now? Perhaps some small space tuning
17:22 SawySavvy: The last one needs a lil change
17:22 SawySavvy: If you look at em
17:22 SawySavvy: A liiiil to the right
17:23 pingal1ty: that's why you use the tools on the editor
17:23 pingal1ty: for consistency
17:23 SawySavvy: But i want the human touch !
17:23 SawySavvy: Used that tool twice btw
17:23 SawySavvy: Made a fun pattern using that + the ctrl+G thing
17:23 pingal1ty: I mean I showed you yesterday....
17:23 pingal1ty: that pattern with slider rotating 90º
17:24 pingal1ty: you can mentally divide how a full circle of that would be
17:24 SawySavvy: ooh
17:24 SawySavvy: Yh
17:24 SawySavvy: https://puu.sh/x39yI/366e403465.jpg
17:24 SawySavvy: That's how i changed the last 3 sliders btw
17:24 SawySavvy: Makes more sense now yh ?
17:24 pingal1ty: lets say 8x sliders then 360/8 = 45º
17:24 pingal1ty: so copy/paste each slider and rotate it 54 degree, voilà you got it
17:24 SawySavvy:
17:24 pingal1ty: also do use the polygonal tool
17:24 pingal1ty: creates 8 circles
17:25 SawySavvy: Does make it look a lil to perfect though ._.
17:25 SawySavvy: 03:11:959 (9,10,11,12,13) -
17:25 pingal1ty: then place the sliders on 3 of the circles
17:25 SawySavvy: That pattern is made using that tool
17:25 pingal1ty: dunno if you get the idea xD
17:25 SawySavvy: + ctrl g usage
17:25 SawySavvy: I like that pattern
17:25 SawySavvy: Not sure i do :p
17:25 pingal1ty: that's great what you did
17:25 pingal1ty: but perhaps
17:25 pingal1ty: you should try to overlap
17:25 pingal1ty: number 13
17:25 pingal1ty: with the number 8 slider
17:26 pingal1ty: like I showed you yesterday on hitorigoto song
17:26 SawySavvy: hmm
17:26 SawySavvy: I know what you showed me
17:26 pingal1ty: let me try something....
17:26 SawySavvy: But not sure what you mean right now
17:26 pingal1ty: I will try to summon gary
17:26 pingal1ty: maybe he can help
17:26 SawySavvy: ._.
17:26 pingal1ty: and give you tips I can't about flow
17:26 SawySavvy: Dunno if this mapping is ready for someone of his calibre xD
17:27 pingal1ty: he ain't THAT good
17:27 pingal1ty: just 1 ranked map
17:27 SawySavvy: Let me update the changes i've made so far during our chat
17:27 pingal1ty: and he just did easy/normal and an Extra diff
17:27 pingal1ty: rest made by other mappers that already have a reputation tbh
17:27 pingal1ty: but he's more skilled than us, that's for sure
17:27 SawySavvy: Ofc xD
17:28 SawySavvy: This is my first real map
17:28 SawySavvy: I'm as noob as can be
17:28 SawySavvy: I only have a decent ear, fantasy and i've seen a lot of jump patterns
17:28 SawySavvy: Update is done btw
17:28 SawySavvy: With the small last slider changes and that 4x change we talked about
17:29 SawySavvy: There are a few jumps/sliders i'm worried about
17:29 SawySavvy: Flow wise
17:29 SawySavvy: It's a repeat slider somewhere...That i noted when people played + myself playing it
17:29 SawySavvy: It goes up/down -> Repeats up
17:29 SawySavvy: I think i should ctrl+g it
17:29 SawySavvy: Let me find it...
17:33 SawySavvy: 01:33:673 (6) -
17:33 SawySavvy: That one
17:33 SawySavvy: I think both my testers and I got a lil confused on that
17:33 SawySavvy: Having to go above then downwards
17:33 SawySavvy: I think that a ctrl+g would fix that
17:33 SawySavvy: Thoughts ?
17:34 pingal1ty: yeah probably a ctrl+g would fix the issue
17:34 pingal1ty: the thing is I can play this comfortably because its 4* and 130bpm
17:34 SawySavvy: But you agree it's akward ?
17:34 pingal1ty: so you got a playable map rythm wise
17:34 SawySavvy: Welp, i'm aiming for DT players aswell
17:34 pingal1ty: that's it XD
17:34 SawySavvy: At that speed i think it's akward
17:34 pingal1ty: can't help you on the DT thing
17:35 pingal1ty: I just tried and its too fast for me
17:35 pingal1ty: because of the spacing mostly
17:35 SawySavvy: ''only'' 195 bpm
17:35 SawySavvy: But the lack of pauses and spacing is rough
17:35 SawySavvy: I felt it playing it
17:35 SawySavvy: I can keep up np
17:35 SawySavvy: But drains a lot of stamina
17:35 pingal1ty: yeah but the spacing inconsistency makes it really hard to play on DT for me Sawy
17:35 SawySavvy: Way to much for a pro mapped 195 song
17:35 SawySavvy: Hmm
17:35 SawySavvy: But i dont want perfect spacing Q_Q
17:35 SawySavvy: Perfect imo is booring
17:35 SawySavvy: Even though perhaps more fun to play
17:36 SawySavvy: Weird as that might sound
17:36 SawySavvy: Flipped that repeater now anyhow
17:36 SawySavvy: Made sense
17:36 pingal1ty: yeah but you can chose some sections to be more spaced, others less etc, not just randomly XD
17:39 SawySavvy: A thing that i love
17:39 SawySavvy: I actually got a good example in my song
17:39 SawySavvy: sec
17:39 SawySavvy: I'll find it
17:41 SawySavvy: 01:05:986 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) -
17:41 SawySavvy: Those
17:41 SawySavvy: You go the somewhat tight side stepping
17:41 SawySavvy: Then like a srping
17:41 SawySavvy: Boom up to the second 1
17:45 pingal1ty: yeah I guess its nice
17:45 SawySavvy: It's not consistent
17:45 SawySavvy: But it creates a feeling
17:45 pingal1ty: you've got good ideas tbh
17:45 SawySavvy: But since i focused...Prolly to much...On having different patterns and varations as much i could
17:45 SawySavvy: I prolly fucked up alot of the patterns feel
17:45 pingal1ty: just need to properly apply them
17:45 SawySavvy:
17:46 SawySavvy: But yh, i focused to much on avoiding repetetiveness
17:46 SawySavvy: So some of the patterns are poor quallity
17:46 SawySavvy: Wtb mods to help me with that
17:46 SawySavvy: I think
17:46 SawySavvy: THINK
17:46 SawySavvy: I'm ready to try and find mod help now
17:47 pingal1ty: well can I post the log for a cookie?
17:48 SawySavvy: Not sure what you mean ?