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Hika
Oh I had no idea he was doing that. My fault, got confused.
Yeah I'm worried the game will fall apart without that deadline.
abraker
@anyone: What do you think about my thoughts of Ace? Do you think I might be onto something or am I completely insane?
Hika
I think u might be a little deep into your analysis bro
Aomi
I agree with Hika, you're over-analyzing too much.
Foxtrot

Zexion wrote:

A foxtrot lynch seems to be more and more interesting.
why would lynching me be an interesting idea? and why is Ace voting for me?
Foxtrot
Also I think it's already been more than 24 hours since the last timer expired
abraker

Hika wrote:

I think u might be a little deep into your analysis bro

Aomi wrote:

I agree with Hika, you're over-analyzing too much.
Well I wouldn't call it impossible. How would you explain Ace's refusal to say why Hika is town?
Topic Starter
beeboy123
Day 1, VC 4

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch!

Hika (3) - johnmedina999. Foxtrot, Aomi
abraker (2) - rEdo, Lincolm
Foxtrot (1) - Ace Timing, Hika
Ace Timing (1) - abraker

Not Voting (1) - Zexion


Mod Notes - Due to me being late for the deadline and not ever extending it by 48 hours the deadline will be tomorrow at 8pm EST.

Deadline: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive
Hika
WHERE IS REDO CUZ I WANT HIS READS
Lincolm

abraker wrote:

@anyone: What do you think about my thoughts of Ace? Do you think I might be onto something or am I completely insane?
Too assumptive?

Foxtrot wrote:

and why is Ace voting for me?
Because he scumreads you. Ask him why he scumreads you.

abraker wrote:

How would you explain Ace's refusal to say why Hika is town?
No idea. But his refusal is bad.

I'm pretty sure I'm unvoting and Zekks is out from game, but w/e.
abraker

beeboy123 wrote:

Not Voting (1) - abraker, Zexion
Pretty sure I still have my vote on Ace Timing from here

Lincolm wrote:

Too assumptive?
Sure it's a big stretch, but I wouldn't call it unreasonable. I typically latch onto a scenario and run with it unless someone can tell me why not otherwise in means other then claiming over analysis. Other possible red players might be Foxtrot, John, and Lincolm, etc, etc, but I don't have enough info to come up with a hypothetical case scenario detailing what they might be up to. That's why my I reserve my votes so long into the game and why most of the time I have null reads.

One may say it's pointless to go in this deep, but it does me no good scraping the surface. This guy voted for this guy; this guy did that!; you did because this, ok then... But ever stop to think how any of those actions are related? This guy voted this guy because if this and that, then perhaps that guy can get the advantage. That guy did that because if this other guy has a PR, then that guy has more reason to believe this. By constructing bits and pieces of how the game pieces might be laid out, you can start guessing each player's motives and via those motives, their roles. Responses to questions from each player only scrapes the surface. I see them as a mask that may have a crack or two if you are lucky.
Ace Timing

Foxtrot wrote:

Also I think it's already been more than 24 hours since the last timer expired
according to OP there's 21 hours left
johnmedina999
@abraker
How come you chose Ace Timing to pursue? If I am understanding this correctly, Ace needing a VC like Hika rubbed you the wrong way; if that's so, why are you not pursuing Hika the same way as well? She did it way before Ace came in, you had a chance to do it. You did get on Hika's case for a bit when you analyzed her ISO here, but that's nowhere near how hard you are pushing Ace; and you didn't follow your own sentence:

abraker wrote:

Sure it's a big stretch, but I wouldn't call it unreasonable. I typically latch onto a scenario and run with it unless someone can tell me why not otherwise in means other then claiming over analysis.
abraker

johnmedina999 wrote:

@abraker
How come you chose Ace Timing to pursue? If I am understanding this correctly, Ace needing a VC like Hika rubbed you the wrong way; if that's so, why are you not pursuing Hika the same way as well?
Not only that, but he read Hika as town. Hika needed 1 vote to lynch and he did nothing to save what who he thinks is town.


johnmedina999 wrote:

johnmedina999 wrote:

but that's nowhere near how hard you are pushing Ace;
and you didn't follow your own sentence:
I didn't have a senario with Hika. Just suspicion because why need a VC for read. My scenario Ace is the following:

It doesn't matter is Hika whether is town or scum, it works to his advantage if he is scum. Not explaining why Hika is town is pro setup of an unconditional bandwagon on Hika. This is what the scenario is given Hika is lynched:

If Hika is town, then that's exactly what scum would want to do and his read that Hika is town is correct. He will then need to explain why he never challenged the bandwagon despite his read. This will make for hard D2 for him, and I think he realizes that, but his read slightly balances toward the grey territory in which he might still escape out of. <Insert his future explanation everyone will totally buy here> is what I am saying

If Hika is scum, then it makes Ace look like he can't possible be scum because he never did anything to challenge the bandwagon. Why would scum allow scum get lynched? His read that Hika is town is then null and he gets out safe

If Ace is town and Hika is town, then reading Hika as town and not explaining why Hika is town risks him a lynch on D2. This is an anti-town move.

If Ace is town, and Hika is scum, then reading Hika as town and not explaining why, I'm sure he has a good reason to.


If you consider all these possible cases, if Hika comes out as town, Ace is fucked scum or town. If Hika comes out as scum, then his actions are very anti-town and he will have a hard D2.
Hika
^ im starting to see what you're getting at here but I don't know if it's really that deep
Like, do you not accept his reasoning for me being town or something?

I mean, I'm not asking him why I'm town. If he thinks I am, then he thinks I am but I'm curious to know myself
rEdo
Sorry guys, I cannot play this anymore. Something happened and I can't engage myself into the game anymore. Please replace me out.
Foxtrot

Lincolm wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

and why is Ace voting for me?
Because he scumreads you. Ask him why he scumreads you.
I already know why he scumread me but I'm not the only person in his scum list. It just seems too convenient that he's voting me after Hika did
Hika
what convenience
I don't understand
Foxtrot

Hika wrote:

what convenience
I don't understand
What do you mean what convenience? Besides I don't expect you to explain for him since you seemed confused in his actions as well.
Zexion

Foxtrot wrote:

Zexion wrote:

A foxtrot lynch seems to be more and more interesting.
why would lynching me be an interesting idea? and why is Ace voting for me?
Because you have shown little content or intent on helping town on the second half of the day.

Foxtrot wrote:

I already know why he scumread me but I'm not the only person in his scum list. It just seems too convenient that he's voting me after Hika did
I don't see any "convenience" on Ace's voting. What's the problem with another wagon?

Vote: Foxtrot
Zexion
Reminder there's 7 hours until deadline, i'll be checking the thread every once in a while.
Hika
I'm here till the end of the day. Everyone come and let's have a discussion.
Lincolm
I might be not around because 6 hour from now because I need to get to work and I need to sleep now. Still, I think you guys need my vote to reach lynch.

No, please not on Foxtrot. I kinda regret pushing Ace's reaction to vote Foxtrot.
Ace Timing

Foxtrot wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Because he scumreads you. Ask him why he scumreads you.
I already know why he scumread me but I'm not the only person in his scum list. It just seems too convenient that he's voting me after Hika did
It's not convienient. That is literally why.
abraker

Hika wrote:

^ im starting to see what you're getting at here but I don't know if it's really that deep
Like, do you not accept his reasoning for me being town or something?

I mean, I'm not asking him why I'm town. If he thinks I am, then he thinks I am but I'm curious to know myself
He never said his reasoning. If he did, which post?
Ace Timing
I mean at this point, after denying your requests for for so long, would you really accept any reasoning I had?
abraker

Ace Timing wrote:

I mean at this point, after denying your requests for for so long, would you really accept any reasoning I had?

abraker wrote:

Responses to questions from each player only scrapes the surface. I see them as a mask that may have a crack or two if you are lucky.
After I said this, do you really think I will accept any reasoning from anyone?

I still need your reasoning because any info can be helpful
Foxtrot

Zexion wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

why would lynching me be an interesting idea? and why is Ace voting for me?
Because you have shown little content or intent on helping town on the second half of the day.
Yeah, but I wouldn't call it a good reason to just lynch me off; the day has been postponed for so long it's kind of hard to offer anything new without over analyzing

Ace Timing wrote:

It's not convienient. That is literally why.
What?
Hika

Lincolm wrote:

@Ace Timing : So why aren't you voting Foxtrot?

No Lynch is bad, but I don't like both wagon. I don't think I want to vote Foxtrot also.

I really think to vote Hika only for the sake of lynch.
So you'd be willing to vote me but not Fox?
Hika
abraker, my fault, I misread what he was saying in a quote a few pages back
Foxtrot
Nevermind don't read the last quote in the last post I'm tired

Zexion wrote:

What's the problem with another wagon? Vote: Foxtrot
I don't know what to do here because I literally don't know how to defend myself but I just think that creating another wagon right before the end of the day seems brash but I don't even fucking know anymore
Foxtrot

Hika wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

@Ace Timing : So why aren't you voting Foxtrot?

No Lynch is bad, but I don't like both wagon. I don't think I want to vote Foxtrot also.

I really think to vote Hika only for the sake of lynch.
So you'd be willing to vote me but not Fox?
He seems pretty worried about me getting lynched off I don't know why though
Hika
post rubs me so wrong I can't let it go
Foxtrot
I understand why it would because he gets no benefit from me being alive or lynched off so I don't know why he'd care
Foxtrot
then again it's not like I'm gonna tell him to vote me instead, I don't wanna get killed on D1
Foxtrot
Hika (4) - Zexion, , johnmedina999. Foxtrot, Aomi
abraker (2) - rEdo, Lincolm
rEdo (1) - [ - Zekks - ]
Foxtrot (1) - Ace Timing, Hika
aaAAA I don't know if this matters but Aomi replaced Zekks so to see an extra vote there kind of throws the game off
Ace Timing

Foxtrot wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

It's not convienient. That is literally why.
What?
Someone voted you and I scumread you. If someone voted john, the same thign would happen. I just moved my vote to the scumread that had a wagon.
Zexion
I'm feeling we're not going to lynch anyone today.
johnmedina999
AAAAAAH WE HAVE LESS THAN AN HOUR

OK, so Ace makes sense with

Ace Timing wrote:

Someone voted you and I scumread you. If someone voted john, the same thign would happen. I just moved my vote to the scumread that had a wagon.
However, you haven't given reasoning for any of the three scumreads except Fox; I don't like that, but it's too late to ask for that.

Unless we can make up our minds in 30 minutes we will have to settle for nolynch.
Hika
8 minutes. Looks like it's a no lynch.
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