@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
I'm exceedingly lazyLincolm wrote:
So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice
He's got a tone of awkwardness and stiffness that I don't particularly like. I also find a few of his posts quite egregrious.rEdo wrote:
@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
Explain how this one indicates scum. Looks like a legit reaction to me.Ace Timing wrote:
p/6177786/
This one is less, but Hika showed similar concern here, and you have her as town. More parallels between the two on the subject here and here.Ace Timing wrote:
p/6181003/
Foxtrot wrote:
No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?abraker wrote:
Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either
vote: abraker
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhuntingFoxtrot wrote:
are you deliberately avoiding my question?[ - Zekks - ] wrote:
Who's her?
I am still trying to figure out Foxtrot and have trouble seeing that, but it is a helpful explanation.Ace Timing wrote:
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote:
faux-scumhunting
faux is a french word for falseabraker wrote:
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote:
faux-scumhunting
rEdo wrote:
Why are you so mean already
I haven't seen Zekks in ourrecursivetown yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]
rEdo wrote:
I did, except for Foxtrot. Nice try. >:)
rEdo wrote:
Actually, I don't recall playing with john, but I saw him on the forums like a month ago or so, that's why I somehow remember him.
rEdo wrote:
[quote="[ - Zekks - ]"Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to support the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
rEdo wrote:
wow are you serious that this quote box has fucked up LOL
rEdo wrote:
[ - Zekks - ] wrote:
Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to support the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
(oh, I fucked it up.)
rEdo wrote:
Let this one be a lesson to new guys, too: DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS, even if you messed up your formatting. It's third-rate, the content and the intent to send such content is the meat that we want.
rEdo wrote:
jesus I forgot to copy my LastPass password for osu! somewhere to log in at work I will catch up tomorrow, I don't really have time tonight to do all the stuff.
rEdo wrote:
Back, catching up.
rEdo wrote:
[ - Zekks - ] wrote:
I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for
I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that
Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to support the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
What worries me, is the fact that he ignored my question. That was a try to fish out why is he just parrotting the two most active guys. He is either a newb townie that does not really know what is going on, or scum pretending to be one.
[ - Zekks - ] wrote:
As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me
What the hell is this?
[b][color=#FF40BF]At this point Zekks is the center of attention. However, the Lincolm and Foxtrot quarrel shouldn't imply both are town. In fact, what you guys think about the following: Scum are more likely to start a frenzy questioning players in order to blend in. Ofc that is assuming scum are trying to act like town and are overdoing it.
Also I didn't see that question on bottom after my vote initially. I believe I answered it later on, though I am not sure why jump to conclusions and say "why zekks" if that's the case.
To add on to it, since I didn't see the question, I interpreted the vote as a random thing because why not. It didn't help that Lincolm's vote was the actual "why not" one. Because I saw so little care for voting, I decided to go on ahead and vote for myself with the same "why not" behavior while keeping my word from here. But frankly, my initial idea to vote for my self came from Lincom's questioning of why I did RVS, which sparked the idea of what is the most idiot RVS I can do that mafia wouldn't dare do just like that.[/color][/b][ - Zekks - ] wrote:
I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!
Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.
Lincolm and Foxtrot 1v1-ish quarrel makes me think they both are town. Zexion is as null as ever, same goes for Hika. Dawnsy goes with analysis over scumhunting, but that's usual for him. Not sure how to read john yet.
Let's try this way.
Unvote
Vote: abraker
Who's scum and why Zekks?
rEdo wrote:
oh and back to work, I might check the thread in 2-3 hours or so.
rEdo wrote:
If you don't give a fuck, why do you even bother playing? If you're town, you might ask for a replacement if you don't want to scumhunt with us. I know this might sound like a neckbeardish thing to say, but we're here to actually play the game, not just chill. A mafia game is somewhat a commitment.
rEdo wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
Zexion wrote:
Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.
so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?
That's because he's the most active in my could-be-scum-list, and I wanted to pressure him to fish out his reaction. That's how I usually (and I think that's how people should generally) use my vote. Why specifically abraker? He has shown that little information I could work him. I thought of pressuring john first, but then I realised he could scumslip by trying to get back on the Zekks wagon, because that seems like the easiest lynch scum could pull out today. And hell, that's what happened.
I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.
rEdo wrote:
johnmedina999 wrote:
I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.
lol
rEdo wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?
rEdo wrote:
Is anyone alive?
rEdo wrote:
@mod: Please replace Dawnsday and perhaps extend the deadline. Ace Timing, do you want to play in the end?
Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.
By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.
My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.
By the way...
Hika wrote:
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?[/quote]
What? I asked them a question and they completely ignored it but because they asked "who's she" that means they actually read it. I was rightfully irritatedAce Timing wrote:
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhuntingFoxtrot wrote:
are you deliberately avoiding my question?
By recursive I just meant that we're playing the mafia game over and over. We keep scumhunting, we keep dying, etcetera.abraker wrote:
RVS vote. Recursive likely hints nothing, though it would be nice of rEdo did say something regarding itrEdo wrote:
Why are you so mean already
I haven't seen Zekks in ourrecursivetown yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]
Because I saw that as a RVS quarrel and did not take it seriously, so I'd rather wait and see what people have to say.abraker wrote:
Detail picking, but what is interesting is that rEdo completely miss Lincolm's color fiasco as well as him asking too many questions for comfort. Instead rEdo went straight to Zekks. Now this might be due to laziness on mobile judging by how it's hard to fuck up a simple quote box on pc, but then attempting to correct it instead of saying "fuck it" tells me otherwise. So the questions remains open: why didn't rEdo pick up on Lincolm before or after reponding to zekks in that session?
I have already addressed that.abraker wrote:
I am most active yet I provide so little information. Well I can say same about Foxtrot, so eh. It does look like the pressuring John thing is sincere.
I'm not sure. He has provided ISO analyses for two people so far, and I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward, as we only have 30 hours left.rEdo wrote:
john, what do you think of abraker?
and proceeded to analyse an ISO; I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward (because there was a 9 hour delay between his post and the last) but another possibility would be that he has the largest number of votes and is trying to get them off desperately because he doesn't want to flip scum. Personally, though, I would just say it's the former.abraker wrote:
Wow nobody? Did we run out of ideas on how to find scum or something?
I think it is very natural responseAce Timing wrote:
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
Ahoy, mine too.Foxtrot wrote:
sorry guys I had my first day of work today
Why not both? Why not because it was worrying not seeing a response for that long with the day nearing end and why not because suicide D1 is an darn awful way to go regardless what alignment I am? I would be lying if I said that I am not looking for reasons to justify changing my vote to someone else. What might happen is that I change my vote a few hours before the day is up, and that will surely make me look like scum even more. I am digging myself further into this hole as I post, but what to do?johnmedina999 wrote:
I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward (because there was a 9 hour delay between his post and the last) but another possibility would be that he has the largest number of votes and is trying to get them off desperately because he doesn't want to flip scum. Personally, though, I would just say it's the former.rEdo wrote:
john, what do you think of abraker?
I realized you read me as scum. That is the expected consequence of the self vote and me accidentally ignoring your question.rEdo wrote:
You literally ignored the fact that I scumread you, or perhaps you must have missed that. So?
Dawnsday wrote:
Hello! Sorry for the delay. Catching up on everything now and will do the do
Dawnsday wrote:
Judging that I didn't skip a post/some super relevant info I'm in the neutral party currently: Lincolm attempted a..? Thing? and John responded with the choice to abstain from any info rather than straight up claiming his PM text was green.
John also seems to be willing to progress other lines of reading (see; his most recent post) whereas Lincolm has stuck to explaining his play. Nothing solid for me atm
My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.
Again, siding with neither of you on this one.
Foxtrot did the same amount of nosing around on the subject as I did so, neutral on her.
Dawnsday wrote:
Zexion wrote:
Dawnsday wrote:
My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.
I think you're just overanalyzing a bad newb-test Lincolm did.
I'm looking at it critically but maybe you're right. I stand by that the concept was flawed, I have no idea as to Lincolm's experience but I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. I stand by that it COULD potentially have been a scum play but I agree that it's just a shortsighted newb test.
Dawnsday wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday
Zekks recently wrote this
Zekks wrote:
idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'
and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say
It is odd agreed. It's possible this is just fluff memery (however inappropriate one may deem it in a thread). I'm also quite eager to hear the reasoning for it but on the whole I don't think there's too too much that can be read into.
Dawnsday wrote:
Vote: Zekks
Maybe this gives you the incentive to "look things over". You're setting off my scumdar now.
Dawnsday wrote:
last mod post, he was 1 vote, me and fox voted so that's 3?
L-2 I think but not sure of it's accuracy.
/shrug
Kinda hope Zekks posts soon, been scummy the entire time and this latest post doesn't help :S
Dawnsday wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
Somehow this question doesn't posted in my previous post.
Dawnsday wrote:
furthering the narrative that Zekks & Lincolm seems to have some connection
What do you mean by "connection" between me and Zekks? Do you mean scum-scum interaction or something? What if one or both of us town?
You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online users but I'm still iffy.)
Not saying it's scum scum but I'm not sure about buddying in any scenario as townies.
Dawnsday wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
Dawnsday wrote:
You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online users but I'm still iffy.)
I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?
Incomparable. This is currently an open discussion, not a simple "hey X what do you think about Y" out of the blue (where X is currently most people's top scumread). You x Foxtrot interaction is limited to discussion, not the half-buddying I witnessed, again. I'm not claiming it to be scum-scum buddying. Was just an observation I made when rereading the thread.
Lincolm wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?
As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.
Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.
Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)
I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.
Dawnsday wrote:
looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.
Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.
Dawnsday wrote:
Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.
unvote
If zekks is a town, then we can expect zekks to be the victim at night. Depending on the PR dawnsday think zekks might have and if Dawnsday is scum, it would be in his best interest to lynch zekks. However, we seem him let zekks go. Doesn't make sense if dawnsday is scumDawnsday wrote:
I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.
Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse
Will post later
Dawnsday wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.
Dawnsday wrote:
I have little to no faith in the power of PoE currently, seriously it's day 1.
Also, how and why does selfvoting exist in mafia; I seriously fail to see it's applications in any useful scenario. The last time I saw it used was BBoy last game and he did it to CLAIM he was scum.
Any other time it's used it's just straight up weird. Anyone explain it's use here? (Sorry I'm still learning mafia apparently).
unvote
removing my vote on Zekks because this is a weird gamestate
Dawnsday wrote:
Hika wrote:
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Aight, ty anyway.
Dawnsday wrote:
Going to give my reads and throw a few observations of mine into the mix
Foxtrot: As everyone has said, she looks largely townie. I have no reason not to have the same assumption, I'm weary but given what small meta I know this is likely to be a townie.
Lincolm: His 1v1 with Foxtrot earlygame gives me 2 townies trying to pry vibes. Everything he posts to me looks very very pro town agenda and for now he's a slight townread but this is subject to change moving forward
John: Posts strike me as just a new townie (Same as lincolm), I'm also swayed by his reaction to policy lynching (He's a newb but he understands the townie benefits of PL)
Abraker: Largely null but he's trying to help town, Selfvote earlygame gives me a strong townie vibe from him
Null Zone is Zexion, rEdo, Zekks, Hika
Zexion - Inactive.
rEdo - Not enough content to sway me over but he's more realistically nulltown.
Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.
Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
Dawnsday wrote:
there was an attempt
Dawnsday wrote:
Hika wrote:
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
Ace Timing wrote:
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
Ace Timing wrote:
fuck
Vote: Hika
Ace Timing wrote:
ok i just started reading and stuff
Foxtrot wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.
Well-written flavour, though.
why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?
Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?
this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working
Vote: Lincolm
this is horrible lmao
Ace Timing wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
you're acting very scummy, zekks. if you're town, i advise you to stop it. you're most likely not.
I'm starting to think this is playstyle cause you sound so forced and unnatural
Ace Timing wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)
LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
Ace Timing wrote:
Dawnsday wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I read this as dawn actually saying he'd like it better if zekks was never conceived and I was laughing so hard
Ace Timing wrote:
Hika wrote:
I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
me_irl
y'all are so scummy for no reason
Ace Timing wrote:
abraker wrote:
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
LOL
Ace Timing wrote:
holy shit you guys have me rolling
Ace Timing wrote:
ok it took me about 20 minutes to read everything, which was, disappointing, to say the least.
I want to say my reads are something like
Town:
Zexion
Hika
abraker
Null:
rEdo
Lincolm
Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]
Which is too many scum for the purposes of this game.
Ace Timing wrote:
abraker was initially scum, which had me at more scum than town lol
Ace Timing wrote:
yes they are newbie and scum
ty for adjectives
Ace Timing wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice
I'm exceedingly lazy
Ace Timing wrote:
rEdo wrote:
@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
He's got a tone of awkwardness and stiffness that I don't particularly like. I also find a few of his posts quite egregrious.
Ace Timing wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6176282/
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6177786/
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6178103/
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6181003/
These posts are some examples of such
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
Ace Timing wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
abraker wrote:
Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either
vote: abraker
No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?Foxtrot wrote:
[ - Zekks - ] wrote:
Who's her?
are you deliberately avoiding my question?
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting
abraker wrote:
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote:
faux-scumhunting
Just because you're projecting yourself onto me? There's not enough time for me to analyze my posts and I don't think it's necessary. Also I don't particularly feel like it because I don't think it would help the game in any way.abraker wrote:
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
I didn't ask why you're not voting for abraker, I asked why you need votecount for read. I realize this is old, but that's not exactly what I asked.Hika wrote:
I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
What do you mean "why not both"? That implies that you don't want to flip scum but at the same time you want to move the game forward. Is that what you're trying to say here?abraker wrote:
Why not both? Why not because it was worrying not seeing a response for that long with the day nearing end and why not because suicide D1 is an darn awful way to go regardless what alignment I am? I would be lying if I said that I am not looking for reasons to justify changing my vote to someone else. What might happen is that I change my vote a few hours before the day is up, and that will surely make me look like scum even more. I am digging myself further into this hole as I post, but what to do?
I don't want to be voted off D1 and I don't want things to let be since there is still a lot left to analyze.Foxtrot wrote:
What do you mean "why not both"? That implies that you don't want to flip scum but at the same time you want to move the game forward. Is that what you're trying to say here?
Oh shit dawnsday isn't on this read! What gives?johnmedina999 wrote:
abraker wrote:
@John
Your reads?ng else.[/list]
- I don't know much about Zexion, or Hika, so I cannot say anything for them.
- I can't say much about redo either, but due to his last post, I would say he's town, but I'm not too sure.
- Foxtrot is also town to me, her posts analyze all players very well and she pushes people to give info, I don't think that's associated as scum.
- As abraker pointed out, they both post similarly, very neutral, very analytic. Personally, I don't like this "poker face" style of play because there is really nothing to analyze; abraker played like this last game as well, and he got lynched, and he flipped town, so I don't know about these two.
abraker, however, with his self-vote, is starting to flip towards the mafia side, because of the reasons previously posted. I will have my eye on you.- Zekks is lazy and may be either town or mafia.
- Lincolm is leaning towards scum, he is very defensive explaining his actions and doesn't really offer
Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.Ace Timing wrote:
I mean if you do threaten to lynch Hika I'm gonna unvote, because she's my townread... That's not a very good associative read there bud.
Ace Timing wrote:
It's really not though
Except it is. Needing a vote count before giving reads implies that the reads are based on who has votes or not. Following me so far?Ace Timing wrote:
It's really not though
That's exactly what we're doing, if you haven't noticed.Hika wrote:
idk why I play with newbies bc you guys miss the point of playing mafia
The whole point is to AS A TEAM, come up with a lynch before deadline, otherwise we might get rekt AS A TEAM
Just because people have their guns pointed at you doesn't mean that no one is playing as a team; three people have you under their radar, while a couple more have their eye on you. Why are you getting paranoid now that the day is almost over?Hika wrote:
And it's more suspicious that three people are still on my case about it
Ace Timing wrote:
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
As you are going through reading the posts, you can keep track of the vote count on your own. It's a bold action separate from much else. If you are lazy to do that much, then my understanding is that you just skimmed through posts and picked whatever best fit your needs. It would have been faster to go through the posts and do a vote count yourself than wait a few days for bboy. I went through all 18 (now 19) pages at least 6 times in the past few hours while compiling player data. It's not that hard.Hika wrote:
I don't understand what's so hard to get with me wanting vote counts
You're comparing my reads to my slot's earlier reads, which is NAI at best. You're forcing a connection where there isn't one.Ok, fair
Any thoughts about any player help, especially if that player is self. Was worth the try anyway, didn't expect much after Foxtrot declined.Ace Timing wrote:
I'm not going to do that. That wouldn't help you at all.
My logic isn't "scum won't do scummy things". Anything scummy is instantly on radar, and it's the easiest to pick up upon. It's townie actions which are hard to decipher because both town and scum would do it. Because those actions can be either scum or town, and I evaluate both possibilities and draw conclusions. I am yet to post a grand total analysis of all major player actions with both sides to each action, but it is in the works. Players that played with me before can vouch that I am not bullshitting about making it.Ace Timing wrote:
With the logic of "scum won't do scummy things," your scumhunting is extremely limited. Scumhunting is a townie action, and thus it's scum's prerogative to fake doing so; fake scumhunting is inherently scummy and it stops there. You're bending over backwards to tell me some irrelevant method of scumhunting from you that isn't applicable here.