RVS vote. Recursive likely hints nothing, though it would be nice of rEdo did say something regarding it

rEdo wrote:

Why are you so mean already

I haven't seen Zekks in our recursive town yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]

This is a response to Zekks saying that he didn't see me, Foxtrot, and john yet. I didn't post after confirming after this point, so I am not show what clone of me rEdo saw, but this ultimately means nothing

rEdo wrote:

I did, except for Foxtrot. Nice try. >:)

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rEdo wrote:

Actually, I don't recall playing with john, but I saw him on the forums like a month ago or so, that's why I somehow remember him.

Detail picking, but what is interesting is that rEdo completely miss Lincolm's color fiasco as well as him asking too many questions for comfort. Instead rEdo went straight to Zekks. Now this might be due to laziness on mobile judging by how it's hard to fuck up a simple quote box on pc, but then attempting to correct it instead of saying "fuck it" tells me otherwise. So the questions remains open: why didn't rEdo pick up on Lincolm before or after reponding to zekks in that session?

rEdo wrote:

[quote="[ - Zekks - ]"Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to support the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you mean by decent?

rEdo wrote:

wow are you serious that this quote box has fucked up LOL

rEdo wrote:

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to support the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you mean by decent?

(oh, I fucked it up.)

rEdo wrote:

Let this one be a lesson to new guys, too: DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS, even if you messed up your formatting. It's third-rate, the content and the intent to send such content is the meat that we want.

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rEdo wrote:

jesus I forgot to copy my LastPass password for osu! somewhere to log in at work I will catch up tomorrow, I don't really have time tonight to do all the stuff.

rEdo wrote:

Back, catching up.

rEdo wrote:

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for

I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to support the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you mean by decent?

What worries me, is the fact that he ignored my question. That was a try to fish out why is he just parrotting the two most active guys. He is either a newb townie that does not really know what is going on, or scum pretending to be one.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

What the hell is this?


[b][color=#FF40BF]At this point Zekks is the center of attention. However, the Lincolm and Foxtrot quarrel shouldn't imply both are town. In fact, what you guys think about the following: Scum are more likely to start a frenzy questioning players in order to blend in. Ofc that is assuming scum are trying to act like town and are overdoing it.

Also I didn't see that question on bottom after my vote initially. I believe I answered it later on, though I am not sure why jump to conclusions and say "why zekks" if that's the case.

To add on to it, since I didn't see the question, I interpreted the vote as a random thing because why not. It didn't help that Lincolm's vote was the actual "why not" one. Because I saw so little care for voting, I decided to go on ahead and vote for myself with the same "why not" behavior while keeping my word from here. But frankly, my initial idea to vote for my self came from Lincom's questioning of why I did RVS, which sparked the idea of what is the most idiot RVS I can do that mafia wouldn't dare do just like that.[/color][/b]

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

Lincolm and Foxtrot 1v1-ish quarrel makes me think they both are town. Zexion is as null as ever, same goes for Hika. Dawnsy goes with analysis over scumhunting, but that's usual for him. Not sure how to read john yet.

Let's try this way.

Unvote
Vote: abraker

Who's scum and why Zekks?

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rEdo wrote:

oh and back to work, I might check the thread in 2-3 hours or so.

Given zekks's activity since this, rEdo does have a point. Even if that "mafia can't hurt me" whatever was a hint, nothing should excuse zekks's innactivity. Zekks is still active in OT, so I see no excuse for him not to at least post something while logged in. Town read for this one

rEdo wrote:

If you don't give a fuck, why do you even bother playing? If you're town, you might ask for a replacement if you don't want to scumhunt with us. I know this might sound like a neckbeardish thing to say, but we're here to actually play the game, not just chill. A mafia game is somewhat a commitment.

[b][color=#FF40BF]I am most active yet I provide so little information. Well I can say same about Foxtrot, so eh. It does look like the pressuring John thing is sincere.

Also sorry I didn't answer. That's why I put some spacing at the bottom of posts if I think there is a hard to notice snippet at the end.[/color][/b]

rEdo wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.

so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?

That's because he's the most active in my could-be-scum-list, and I wanted to pressure him to fish out his reaction. That's how I usually (and I think that's how people should generally) use my vote. Why specifically abraker? He has shown that little information I could work him. I thought of pressuring john first, but then I realised he could scumslip by trying to get back on the Zekks wagon, because that seems like the easiest lynch scum could pull out today. And hell, that's what happened.

I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.

This makes it even more sincere. Though if rEdo and John are scum, that is also a nice cover up tactic by taking advantage newbie actions

rEdo wrote:

johnmedina999 wrote:

I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.

lol

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rEdo wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.

Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?

null? I'm unsure if there is anything to pick from this. Eager to question and interact more with players implying that... I always keep in mind any town action can be scum tactic, but idk what this would lean to if anything

rEdo wrote:

Is anyone alive?

Majority of this looks townie reasoning, except for the last bit. I can see mafia pointing fingers at supposed scumpartner as a diversion/focus.

rEdo wrote:

@mod: Please replace Dawnsday and perhaps extend the deadline. Ace Timing, do you want to play in the end?

Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.

By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.

My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.

By the way...

Hika wrote:

abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb

Was that a warning from your scumpartner?[/quote]

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Dawnsday wrote:

Hello! Sorry for the delay. Catching up on everything now and will do the do

[b][color=#FF40BF]Any response, even my self vote can't be taken at face value. However, we piece together responses and interactions to draw conclusions.
I get a feeling Dawnsday is trying to downplay Lincolm's move on John here to draw attention away from john.[/color][/b]

Dawnsday wrote:

Judging that I didn't skip a post/some super relevant info I'm in the neutral party currently: Lincolm attempted a..? Thing? and John responded with the choice to abstain from any info rather than straight up claiming his PM text was green.

John also seems to be willing to progress other lines of reading (see; his most recent post) whereas Lincolm has stuck to explaining his play. Nothing solid for me atm

My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.

Again, siding with neither of you on this one.

Foxtrot did the same amount of nosing around on the subject as I did so, neutral on her.

"You might be right, but since this is just a response to ensure I am not suspicious, here it is and I still stand by my opinion". It would make for a more interesting reply if Dawnsday asked what color Foxtrot would have said, just to work off that and prove the point. Instead we get this empty, knockoff response. When scum is planning something, or do an action to get results, they would be asked why, and this sort of response is what I expect scum to say because there is no alternative reasoning to their decision other than to do something in their favor.

Dawnsday wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.

I think you're just overanalyzing a bad newb-test Lincolm did.

I'm looking at it critically but maybe you're right. I stand by that the concept was flawed, I have no idea as to Lincolm's experience but I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. I stand by that it COULD potentially have been a scum play but I agree that it's just a shortsighted newb test.

As it turns out, as shown later in the game, that there is something to read from zekks's weird comment. But we were still wrapping our heads about this and zekks has yet to show the his inactivity. Also what do you mean by "fluff memory?"

Dawnsday wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday

Zekks recently wrote this

Zekks wrote:

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say

It is odd agreed. It's possible this is just fluff memery (however inappropriate one may deem it in a thread). I'm also quite eager to hear the reasoning for it but on the whole I don't think there's too too much that can be read into.

expected

Dawnsday wrote:

Vote: Zekks

Maybe this gives you the incentive to "look things over". You're setting off my scumdar now.

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Dawnsday wrote:

last mod post, he was 1 vote, me and fox voted so that's 3?

L-2 I think but not sure of it's accuracy.

/shrug

Kinda hope Zekks posts soon, been scummy the entire time and this latest post doesn't help :S

So Dawnsday is drawing connections between Lincolm, John and Zekks. Don't see much wrong with this. Currently I am convinced Lincolm was a radioactive knucklehead and zekks is just dumb town. Scum being as radioactive as Lincolm would be quite an adventure for them, and judging by Lincoln's behavior, I don't think he would want to risk that. I don't think he has the deeper knowledge needed to know how to get out the situation if votes did settled on him for those actions. To give an example, Foxtrot seems to be the type of person that would be confident doing this if scum, but I don't believe Lincolm would.

Dawnsday wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Somehow this question doesn't posted in my previous post.

Dawnsday wrote:

furthering the narrative that Zekks & Lincolm seems to have some connection

What do you mean by "connection" between me and Zekks? Do you mean scum-scum interaction or something? What if one or both of us town?

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online users but I'm still iffy.)

Not saying it's scum scum but I'm not sure about buddying in any scenario as townies.

First part seems reasonable. Second part, Dawnsday seems to have people vote for zekks. It's not a matter of questioning the scummy behaviors at this point. Either zeeks is dumb town or is scum. Most decided zekks is dumb town, and I agree. However, Dawnsday is still fixed on it as if there is more to discuss about why that is scum. Almost everything on why that might be scum has been already said at that point. This is Dawnsday trying to change mind and get people to vote on zekks.

Dawnsday wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online users but I'm still iffy.)

I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?

Incomparable. This is currently an open discussion, not a simple "hey X what do you think about Y" out of the blue (where X is currently most people's top scumread). You x Foxtrot interaction is limited to discussion, not the half-buddying I witnessed, again. I'm not claiming it to be scum-scum buddying. Was just an observation I made when rereading the thread.

Lincolm wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.

Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)

I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.

I saw stuff as stupid as zekks in a previous game. I'd say anti-town, but doesn't imply scum. But you can start to see the change of mind in Dawnsday already as zekks bandwagon dies down

Dawnsday wrote:

looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.


Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.

Had to just drop and agree. So malleable.

Dawnsday wrote:

Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.

unvote


If zekks is a town, then we can expect zekks to be the victim at night. Depending on the PR dawnsday think zekks might have and if Dawnsday is scum, it would be in his best interest to lynch zekks. However, we seem him let zekks go. Doesn't make sense if dawnsday is scum

Dawnsday wrote:

I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.

Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse

Will post later

This is a response to Lincolm saying that while we can attempt to lynch zekks, if he flips town, then that would be super bad. Yet Dawnsday still want to convince that doing that to zekks is a good consideration... right after choosing to unvote. He is still pushing to make zekks lynched and it's becomming how subtly, yet forcefully he is doing that. Given my previous comment regarding Dawnsday needing to lynch zekks instead of NK because of PR, this makes perfect sense. And he had to unvote as insurance that vote won't draw uneeded attention.

Dawnsday wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

, but I hate policy lynch also.

Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.

I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.

[b][color=#FF40BF]He unvoted zekks twice in a row. Didn't vote in between. Not sure if mistake or just in case to make sure people notice that he unvoted zekks. Also I did it because for reasons I explained my reasoning for it in the rEdo iso. But if dawnsday experienced a selfvote turning scum previous game,
then why doesn't he just claim I am scum and vote for me then? I think my actions are just as scummy. This kinda kills the "Dawnsday as scum votes upon chance" theory. As the thinking goes, if someone appears scummy, the vote would be automatically justified for scum, but that it is not seen with Dawnsday.[/color][/b]

Dawnsday wrote:

I have little to no faith in the power of PoE currently, seriously it's day 1.

Also, how and why does selfvoting exist in mafia; I seriously fail to see it's applications in any useful scenario. The last time I saw it used was BBoy last game and he did it to CLAIM he was scum.

Any other time it's used it's just straight up weird. Anyone explain it's use here? (Sorry I'm still learning mafia apparently).

unvote

removing my vote on Zekks because this is a weird gamestate

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Dawnsday wrote:

Hika wrote:

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

Aight, ty anyway.

I don't fully agree with Foxtrot read until I get self analysis from her. Lincolm can agree. I still can't tell much about John and won't be able to until D2. His read on me strikes me weird. As mentioned before, the selfvote turned up scum in previous game and he had to mention it, but thinks I am town instead. I understand it was to claim he was mafia, but still, I wouldn't be so sure of town with that in mind. Not much on others, and Hika did turn leaning toward the scum side for me as well.

Dawnsday wrote:

Going to give my reads and throw a few observations of mine into the mix

Foxtrot: As everyone has said, she looks largely townie. I have no reason not to have the same assumption, I'm weary but given what small meta I know this is likely to be a townie.

Lincolm: His 1v1 with Foxtrot earlygame gives me 2 townies trying to pry vibes. Everything he posts to me looks very very pro town agenda and for now he's a slight townread but this is subject to change moving forward

John: Posts strike me as just a new townie (Same as lincolm), I'm also swayed by his reaction to policy lynching (He's a newb but he understands the townie benefits of PL)

Abraker: Largely null but he's trying to help town, Selfvote earlygame gives me a strong townie vibe from him

Null Zone is Zexion, rEdo, Zekks, Hika

Zexion - Inactive.

rEdo - Not enough content to sway me over but he's more realistically nulltown.

Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.

Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.

Null

Dawnsday wrote:

there was an attempt

I did mention how I fail to see the point of not mentioning voting strategy on here if both sides have same info. I am not sure if Dawnsday is agreeing with this, nodding his head in emptiness, or just picked out the comment and has not opinion on the matter.

Dawnsday wrote:

Hika wrote:

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount

RVS

Ace Timing wrote:

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika

null

Ace Timing wrote:

fuck
Vote: Hika

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Ace Timing wrote:

ok i just started reading and stuff

Foxtrot wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.

Well-written flavour, though.

why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?

Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?

this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working

Vote: Lincolm

this is horrible lmao

Oddly, I think that too. Foxtrot is on the "too good to be true" end spectrum. However I thought of same about Sakura last game, so fuck knows.

Ace Timing wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

you're acting very scummy, zekks. if you're town, i advise you to stop it. you're most likely not.

I'm starting to think this is playstyle cause you sound so forced and unnatural

Reason #2453 How Lincolm's shallow behavior looking risky from his POV if he is scum hints that he is not scum

Ace Timing wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)

LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?

He had the choice not to bring this up, and it is one of the posts that made me thing Dawnsday might be scum. I am not sure if Ace Timing picked up upon how much Dawnsday was trying to push zekks lynch.

Ace Timing wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

, but I hate policy lynch also.

Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.

I read this as dawn actually saying he'd like it better if zekks was never conceived and I was laughing so hard

Too much confidence, but then again he is still looking through the posts and rolling on the floor

Ace Timing wrote:

Hika wrote:

I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

me_irl
y'all are so scummy for no reason

I realize how of an unusual request this is, and it is meant to trip up the player.

Ace Timing wrote:

abraker wrote:

To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.

LOL

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Ace Timing wrote:

holy shit you guys have me rolling

[b][color=#FF40BF]Now that I think about it, after you are finished laughing at the request, can you read Dawnsday too? It might help understand what your previous life was up to. Anyway,

Foxtrot: very town -> scum
Lincolm: town -> null
John: town -> scum
abraker: null/town -> town
zexion: null -> town
rEdo: null -> null
null -> scum

Well It is assuring that he is still onto zekks even after the player change, which means there is somthing going on in that regard. I am surprised my read hasn't changed. Now if Foxtrot is his scumpartner, then that contrasting change looks the logical choice because Foxtrot's ISO would def balance this out for other players and I think Foxtrot can fend off hellfire if needed judging by her posts. I will need to do a zexion ISO later and see what that read might imply.[/color][/b]

Ace Timing wrote:

ok it took me about 20 minutes to read everything, which was, disappointing, to say the least.

I want to say my reads are something like
Town:
Zexion
Hika
abraker

Null:
rEdo
Lincolm

Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]

Which is too many scum for the purposes of this game.

So what made you change your mind?

Ace Timing wrote:

abraker was initially scum, which had me at more scum than town lol

Null

Ace Timing wrote:

yes they are newbie and scum
ty for adjectives

We just need to threaten to lynch hika and see how Ace Timing attempts to defend in that case. He can let the vote on Hika stay since it means nothing yet.

Ace Timing wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice

I'm exceedingly lazy

Doesn't really say much. Null

Ace Timing wrote:

rEdo wrote:

@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?

He's got a tone of awkwardness and stiffness that I don't particularly like. I also find a few of his posts quite egregrious.

As I posted later on, I couldn't see how that would indicate scum.

Ace Timing wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6176282/
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6177786/
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6178103/
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6181003/

These posts are some examples of such


It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol

I provide senarios for hypothetical cases to make sense of the read, but this fails to make much connections. False scum hunting and pretend behavior rarely says anything, if at all. As I said in a post before, I assume any scum tactic appears as townie action. Instead I search for persistent action, base motives, connections between interactions and draw hypothetical scenarios for them to draw conclusions from. I am basically laying out the deck of cards faced down and evaluating what the state of the game might be if I flip one over. This fails to tell anything and is just mere finger pointing.

Ace Timing wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

abraker wrote:

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

vote: abraker

No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?

Foxtrot wrote:

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

Who's her?

are you deliberately avoiding my question?

It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting

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abraker wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

faux-scumhunting

Still noob enough not to know what this means

faux is a french word for false[/quote]