damn I messed up that list
i'll wait for you to explain thisDawnsday wrote:
Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.Hika wrote:
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Oh okay, I do agree with that.Hika wrote:
Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"
hope that clears it up.
AFAIK Hika has never been too expresive, she usually goes with only a few lines per posts not explaing ideas a lot. I do agree with that statement anyways: if you have a plan which involves self-voting, you have to go to the end otherwise it will be for nothing. Same goes with reaction testing or stuff like that.Dawnsday wrote:
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.Hika wrote:
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.Dawnsday wrote:
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
I'm probably shooting myself in the foot by latching on Zekks's claim, but it's hard because there's not much content going on. But what other choice do I have, especially on D1? Like I said, I voted Zekks to get a reaction out of them but I got nothing. I might back down if it wasn't for the fact that a lot of new players tend to lurk the game when they have a mafia role, probably because it's a bit harder to play with a role like that.Zexion wrote:
So... foxtrot was the first one to vote Zekks after he claimed no mafia can stop him. I'm really interested why he considered so much about this being scum indicative, these kind of claims can't be resolved D1 because there's just too much risk. Him not answering questions is a totally different matter tho. Are the rest of such wagon just oportunistic?
I understand that it's your night out so I won't pressure you but next time please write your thoughts in a more detailed way, and provide more information as to why you think that way. This is still rather vague to me.Hika wrote:
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
Who?Hika wrote:
I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
Yeah, there wasn't much more for content progression but you repeated the same thing... quite a few times. Your vote was kind of right tho, because that brought up the stronger claim. I definitely won't be up for a Zekks lynch right now, because new players also tend to be intimidated of the on-going discussion, there's a lot of question directed to him unaswered tho, but until he comes back, I can't be sure if he is still dodging them.Foxtrot wrote:
I'm probably shooting myself in the foot by latching on Zekks's claim, but it's hard because there's not much content going on. But what other choice do I have, especially on D1? Like I said, I voted Zekks to get a reaction out of them but I got nothing. I might back down if it wasn't for the fact that a lot of new players tend to lurk the game when they have a mafia role, probably because it's a bit harder to play with a role like that.Zexion wrote:
So... foxtrot was the first one to vote Zekks after he claimed no mafia can stop him. I'm really interested why he considered so much about this being scum indicative, these kind of claims can't be resolved D1 because there's just too much risk. Him not answering questions is a totally different matter tho. Are the rest of such wagon just oportunistic?
And abraker is already voting for himself for the sake of PoE and he genuinely thinks that's gonna help town in the long run, but that's just dumb. It's not worth losing two town people over this.
Unless he wants to make us think that he's town, so it'd make sense if he's scum trying to gain our trust by doing something reckless,, claiming that it's for the greater good of town. That's why he's not backing down. That possibility doesn't sound too unrealistic. I'm glad people are wary of his actions.
By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.Zexion wrote:
@John, @Dawnsday: why is Foxtrot so town? Going through her ISO shows little content in her lasts posts, last thing was the accusation to Zekks which I kinda understand but I don't see how she "analyses players very well". I do agree with she moving the game forward.
That's because he's the most active in my could-be-scum-list, and I wanted to pressure him to fish out his reaction. That's how I usually (and I think that's how people should generally) use my vote. Why specifically abraker? He has shown that little information I could work him. I thought of pressuring john first, but then I realised he could scumslip by trying to get back on the Zekks wagon, because that seems like the easiest lynch scum could pull out today. And hell, that's what happened.Foxtrot wrote:
Zexion wrote:
Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.
so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?
loljohnmedina999 wrote:
I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.
It is normal things to do in MS, but MS has 2 weeks for the day. It makes sense for me. You bandwagon people, you get his reaction, you get interaction between people why did they pressure that person initially and why didn't they pressure him. You townread him, you unvote.abraker wrote:
Slight correction: He bandwagons with no real justification, and makes it seem like it is a normal thing to do. I get it if you are trying to choke out activity or info, but it doesn't make sense otherwise.abraker wrote:
Lincolm: The only problem is that he bandwagons with no real justification. Just declare a bandwagon, he will be second to hop on it
I want you to respond this.Lincolm wrote:
So what? No one pressure. No one pushing. Waiting more contents. PoE is less accurate thing to find scum, but is there any accurate method to find scum without power role? Is it wrong to use PoE? Why is L-3 (or maybe you thought it was L-2) a dangerous thing for you? even rEdo (plus someone if you really thought it was L-2) doesn't tell explicitly why did he vote you.
Why are you suddenly referring this?Hika wrote:
also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page
Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?Lincolm wrote:
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
Would it help if I was still a no vote?Foxtrot wrote:
And abraker is already voting for himself for the sake of PoE and he genuinely thinks that's gonna help town in the long run, but that's just dumb. It's not worth losing two town people over this.
I think I showed well enough info to work with here, here, here, and here. Especially here. If you still think that's not enough, then you are doing poor analysis.rEdo wrote:
He has shown that little information I could work him
I prob missed it, and my first read was entirely voluntary action after reading this post. It reminded me about reads, so I decided to do one. My second read was due to escalated matters with PoE, uncertainty with zekks, end of Lincolm's color fiasco, and foxtrot giving a solid impression.rEdo wrote:
I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.
But I didn'tLincolm wrote:
If you scumread me, then you should have vote me instead self-voting.
I try to minimize voting I have little justification forLincolm wrote:
Maybe your previous game makes you more aware with everyone's vote, but let's be honest, you could just vote - unvote when you doubt your read - vote again and so on.
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?Hika wrote:
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
or one of them is mafia*johnmedina999 wrote:
or one of them is town
LMAO, you think I'm scumbuddies with abraker? I'm town bro.rEdo wrote:
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?
Yeah, but I consider what if he missed it or just skim at that time.rEdo wrote:
Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?Lincolm wrote:
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
And yet, you never engage first for hunting the scum. If you're town, good job. Double thumbs up. And probably you missed where I said my reason to vote you isn't because PoE anymore.abraker wrote:
I try to minimize voting I have little justification for
Any reason why are you not voting me in there or now? I'm pretty sure there is no change in vote count when you said it. You might don't want to vote abraker because it will put him in L-1, you think Zekks could be PR for you, but why did you not vote me?Hika wrote:
I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.
I don't know what to say, how is it "too long"? I even said I choose abraker because PoE for initial reason. Do you even know what is PoE?johnmedina999 wrote:
It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?
This post is just rubbing me so hard and wrong. I don't even know if this is a reason for scumread me or a reason why are you not voting me or both.Hika wrote:
But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo
I am scum-hunting, but subtly. It's just that no fish took my bait yet, sadly.Lincolm wrote:
And yet, you never engage first for hunting the scum. If you're town, good job. Double thumbs up. And probably you missed where I said my reason to vote you isn't because PoE anymore.abraker wrote:
I try to minimize voting I have little justification for
Now that rEdo did bring it to my attention, what do you mean by "the same thing"?Hika wrote:
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
Hika wrote:
Vote: redo
Hika wrote:
cuz fuck urEdo wrote:
Why are you so mean already
Hika wrote:
ur game sucked because everyone targeted me!!
That spreadsheet made me mad. I should vote u.
Hika wrote:
L0L
Hika wrote:
I read this when I get on my laptop! Eating dinner rn
Hika wrote:
maybe cuz u r scum smh ^
Unvote
Hika wrote:
why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck
Hika wrote:
also zekks, stop that its annoying u scum
Hika wrote:
Oh alright I was just wondering cause I only remember getting voted twice
Hika wrote:
Oh also I forgot to hit submit but if someone asks for reads or opinions, it's probably better to reveal them in a timely matter and in complete honesty because it definitely can shape a better opinion of you for someone else. In this case, if you're scum/town. @john
Hika wrote:
p.s. RVS is over imo
Hika wrote:
need vote count b4 I vote Zekks
Hika wrote:
I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.
But ya know, you still need to make it seem that you have little to know connection to zekks and want to bring that scum to justiceHika wrote:
o yea btw been busy. School starting and work so I usually will have more time to leave content around 19:00 EST
Hika wrote:
I agree with you linc.
There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing
Hika wrote:
@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying
Hika wrote:
Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves
Hika wrote:
Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"
hope that clears it up.
Hika wrote:
oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong
Hika wrote:
ok im sensitive pls be kind
yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real
Hika wrote:
Dulcet wrote:
yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?
I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. Seriously
I'm not playing with an anti-town.
Hika wrote:
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Hika wrote:
i'll wait for you to explain thisDawnsday wrote:
Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
i think i can confirm that anyone who plays mafia with me always feels as if my posts rub them wrong
so link me my posts and i can explain them to you
Hika wrote:
also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page
Hika wrote:
also ill drop my reads tomorrow. im off work and im going out drinking tonight! will stop by for some small chat however.
Hika wrote:
Eh, I'll just say it's a diversion thing. ^
Hika wrote:
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.Dawnsday wrote:
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
Hika wrote:
After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
Hika wrote:
also no more shitty reaction tests i'm not gonna let this over analyzing colors of your role PMs pass anymore lol
Hika wrote:
Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.
I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.
Hika wrote:
I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.
Hika wrote:
I didn't quote you on that lincolm because people can see I'm referring to you and plus I'm on the phone.
Hika wrote:
I don't think he did that out of the blue, rather he did that to pull him into the game because he was kind of just.. there?
But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo
Hika wrote:
LMAO, you think I'm scumbuddies with abraker? I'm town bro.rEdo wrote:
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?
If anything, I'd probably be voting him or Lincolm.
abraker because he doesn't seem like he understands the impact of him self-voting. I think redo explains it the way I would like to explain it myself. I can tolerate a NL vote > self vote.
Hika wrote:
my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker
everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
Hika wrote:
we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm
Hika wrote:
I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
Hika wrote:
@linc, dont take it personal, just go to bed lol
Hika wrote:
oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong
Hika wrote:
I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. SeriouslyDulcet wrote:
yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?
I'm not playing with an anti-town.
Hika wrote:
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Hika wrote:
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.Dawnsday wrote:
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
Hika wrote:
After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
Hika wrote:
Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.
I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.
Hika wrote:
my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker
everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.Hika wrote:
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâceHika wrote:
After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
And you asked me what I'd like you to explain, but you don't need to explain anything. It's just that you lack reasoning behind your claims like you've been doing in your read and past posts. You write really small sentences that can be rather vague or really obvious, which makes you hard to read.Foxtrot wrote:
I understand that it's your night out so I won't pressure you but next time please write your thoughts in a more detailed way, and provide more information as to why you think that way. This is still rather vague to me.Hika wrote:
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.