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Nikakis
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Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Kocari wrote:

Hello from modding queue



[General or Unrankable Stuff]
  1. Kisses normal ends on a different than the other 3 diffs. I would honestly end the song how kisses did it. Not necessary to make them sliders or spinner because it feels like a continuation of the song. Imo would've been best to map the entire song but it's cut off for TV size length and should end with a single note. I ve talked with Yahuri and she told me that its ok that diffs arent ending with the same way.
  2. Turn off Widescreen support for Kisses and Yahuri's Diff not storyboard. kk

[Fondness]
00:20:532 (1) - Can be 2 single notes to represent like 00:14:338 (1,2) - the tempo is getting quiet there so i prefer 1/2 slider
00:24:790 (7,1) - Could also be a 3/4 slider to play off the hold on the finish in the music up to you maybe, but i dont feel 3/4 slider is overall suitable
00:55:757 (4) - A clap here would sound nice for buildup ok
neat

Thanks for the mod!~
Clean mapset nothing from me.
No reply=reworked, fixed

mod 4 fondness
this focuses on structure and aesthetics cuz there wasnt much mentions of it in the other mods for whatever reason
00:13:564 (3,4) - blanket off by ~2 pixels
00:14:532 (2,3) - flow doesnt look good here because of how sharp the flow is going from 2 into 3, would smooth out the flow here
00:18:402 (4) - would look better if u copypaste this slider 00:20:532 (1) so that it fits in better by being perpendicular to these sliders 00:18:983 (1,3)
00:18:596 - add clap
00:17:822 (3) - i dont see the need to use such a unique slider here
00:22:854 (1) - remove NC
00:23:628 (4) - add NC
00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - structure of this pattern is weak, cant see how the locations of each circle relate to one another. suggestion: something like this uses a parallelogram for each set of 4 circles
00:35:435 (6,1,2) - overlaps look kinda icky they re fine imo
00:40:661 (1) - angle of this slider looks out of place cuz it isnt rotated or flipped in an obvious direction like the short sliders, try something like this which is perpendicular to the sliders stacked on it im still confused about those, when i ll have a clear mind i ll prob rework them with straight shape but still imo its not a very big deal aesthetically
00:43:177 (4) - the current half of the soft section hasn't ended yet, the next section has all horizontal/vertical sliders so you dont want this one blending in. would be better if you used this slider 00:42:790 (3) with ctrl+<.
00:48:596 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - again like the other jump section, there isnt any clear correlation with the circle placement. suggestion: something like this
00:52:467 (4,1) - fix blanket, body of 1 too close to 4
00:53:628 (3,7) - overlap doesnt look good
00:57:499 (1) - this is the most unique looking slider in the kiai, i dont see a need for it to look like this i did that shape cause the vocal here sounds more frisky comparing the other 1/1 sliders
01:03:886 (6) - NC
01:05:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - again with jump pattern structure, suggestion
01:08:338 (1,2) - lower stack leniency to 2 to make this a perfect stack since u dont do normal stacking for 1/2 anywhere else. doing so wont affect stacked triples

stacks
use ctrl + arrow keys to fix very small stacking errors.
in case u cant be bothered fix all of them heres the most important ones
00:17:435 (1,3) - fix
00:18:402 (4,1) - fix
00:20:919 (2,1) - fix
00:36:790 (3,1) - fix
00:42:596 (2,4) - fix
00:32:338 (4,1) - fix
00:36:790 (3,1) - fix
00:42:596 (2,4) - fix

everything else (1-2 pixels)
00:19:757 (3,1) -
00:22:854 (1,4) -
00:23:435 (3,5) -
00:24:402 (6,1) -
00:25:757 (2,4) -
00:29:435 (7,1,3) -
00:33:306 (2,4) -
00:51:112 (5,1) -
00:52:854 (1,3) -
00:54:402 (7,2,4) -
01:04:273 (7,9) -
01:10:467 (4,7) -

LUL, these are very unnoticeable tho and they arent actually ''off'' but i fixed most of them, i guess..


Thanks for the mod!~
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
@kocari - 00:29:822 (3,4) - i kinda like the snapback of the hand from going to 3 then 4

fixed the rest ~
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Reillia
1,164 posts
Joined August 2014
Reillia
[kisses]
01:00:015 (2) - how about this pattern? cuz 01:00:596 - has a cymbal but u using reverse here. i feel it's weird.
asd

[ky]
01:00:402 (3,4) - check stack

[fondness]
00:15:886 (1,2,3,4) - 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:22:080 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - these are same rhythm but u use different pattern. equal the pattern plz
00:17:435 (1,3) - there is no reason to use overlap.
00:18:402 (1,2) - how about stack these notes?
00:20:919 (2,1) - stack?
00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
01:10:080 (2) - delete this note and 01:09:886 (1,3) - use 1/1 slider. cuz 01:10:080 - there is no sound.

GL!
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
@C u r i

because this is the easiest diff in the set I want to avoid objects 1/2 beat apart

thanks for looking ~

Fondness
01:11:628 (1) - how about placing this up and behind the tail of the slider so you can get more emphasis from the abrupt change of direction. Like you did at 00:24:790 (7) - and 00:46:854 (1) -

00:57:499 (1) - this slider shape design seems to go against the structure and other sliders of the rest of the map

00:49:564 (6) - reducing the spacing between 5 and 6 would help emphasise 00:49:757 (1) - a lot more
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

[C u r i] wrote:

[fondness]
00:15:886 (1,2,3,4) - 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:22:080 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - these are same rhythm but u use different pattern. equal the pattern plz
Uhm.The parts that you mentioned are completely different from each other lol.First of all, why you put ''everything into the same basket'', you are relating clickable patterns with the 1/2 slider calm part where the vocals are totally different lol.Why would i make ''equal patterns'' just for the monotonous rhythm from behind.The song is all about the VOCALS.
00:17:435 (1,3) - there is no reason to use overlap. remapped
00:18:402 (1,2) - how about stack these notes? nope
00:20:919 (2,1) - stack? ok
00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ???
01:10:080 (2) - delete this note and 01:09:886 (1,3) - use 1/1 slider. cuz 01:10:080 - there is no sound. waiting bn's opinion

GL!

Thanks for the mod!~

Kisses wrote:

Fondness
01:11:628 (1) - how about placing this up and behind the tail of the slider so you can get more emphasis from the abrupt change of direction. Like you did at 00:24:790 (7) - and 00:46:854 (1) - It doesnt fit imo, i prefer how it is already

00:57:499 (1) - this slider shape design seems to go against the structure and other sliders of the rest of the map is variety that bad..yahuri complained about it too, the vocal there is more frisky than 00:55:951 (1) - and 00:59:048 (1) - , so that's why i did that shape .If it's really a problem,then i ll change it, but i like it tho.

00:49:564 (6) - reducing the spacing between 5 and 6 would help emphasise 00:49:757 (1) - a lot more nah it is ok

Thanks for the mod!~
Aisha
840 posts
Joined December 2012
Aisha
Hi! Hope this can be helpful for you ~

General

  1. OD and HP: I think OD 3 on Kisses' Normal should be better according to spread and the own diff (
[Kisses' Normal]
  1. Disable Widescreen support like other difficulties
  2. 00:16:661 (2,3) - the flow on these is a little strange, I think you could make something more beauti like
  3. 00:25:177 (1) - I know it's totally not relevant but what about moving the last point from 373,336 :arrow: 377,329? I think it looks better than pointing down
  4. 00:20:532 (3,4) - I feel like making that sound clickable is better than using a reverse slider on here like 00:26:725 - . I think you should make slider and circle on these (don't want to touch your mapstyle but I feel it really better at rhythm follow)
  5. 00:36:015 (3,1) - what about moving a little current pattern to overlap the (3) with slider tail? Seems nice
  6. 00:39:499 - I think a circle on here is pretty neccesary cause vocal
  7. 00:41:435 (2) - prolly you could make something that looks better by making a blanket effect here
  8. 00:45:693 - same about adding circle. I think current last break is enough
  9. Even I'm not a fan of short combo's I think 00:57:499 (1) - you could use NC on here to emphasize the break in the Kiai
    I think that's all, good map :')
[Ky's Advanced]
  1. 00:15:499 (7,7,7) - etc I think NC on them is better than next note, it feels a little hard to read actually
  2. 00:22:854 (3) - this somehow breaks the nice flow you did in 00:21:693 (7,1,2) - D:
  3. 00:23:628 (5) - I think this as a straight slider is better since it's currently making an unity and pointing to blanket should be nicer (refer to 00:24:790 (7) - )
  4. 00:29:822 (5,6) - I'm pretty sure this blanket can be fixed
  5. 00:33:306 (6) - this slider feels better at curved cause little distortion on voice
  6. 00:38:338 (2,3,4) - beauti
  7. 00:40:661 (1,2,3) - this flows really strange, I think it flows better if you move 00:41:822 (2) - to 242,48 or something like that and start from here other patterns :p
  8. 00:56:532 (2) - it looks better if you move it a little down like at the same point than (1) tail
    Kiai looks nice
  9. 01:07:757 (7) - something more extended like looks better
[Yahuri's Hard]
  1. 00:13:564 - I think something like looks better here, also 00:14:338 (1) - it could be curved instead the before one
  2. 00:24:790 (4) - I'd pref to see this straight instead that strange red anchor
  3. 00:39:499 (3) 00:42:209 (1) - 00:44:144 (3) - this break the flow a lot, is strange to see these 'L' slider on here. I think curved or something like [img]http://puu.sh/xxej5/5f67730c0c.jpg[img] are better and more beauti
  4. 00:49:177 (1,2,3) - it feels weird, I think 00:49:177 (1,2) - ctrl+g there OR ctrlging these + 00:49:177 (1,2) - ctrl+g on them is better
  5. 00:56:822 (3,4) - what about moving them a little down? Feels better visually
  6. 01:11:628 (1) - try making this more pronunciated; looks nice imo
[Fondness]
  1. 00:13:564 (3,4,3) - this overlap looks ugly at playing specially :/, maybe try distancing them a little more
  2. 00:17:435 (1,3) - I don't like this overlap either tbh, looks a little better for example
  3. 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - spacing here is... s l i g h t l y exagerated imo but it seems more cause song comes so slow then jumps are a little big
  4. 00:34:467 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is better for example
  5. 00:37:564 - 00:39:112 - what about emphasizing the drum using circles? I think it's better and sliders are a little quiet for the strong sound
  6. 01:09:306 (4) - something like flows better imo
    Overall nice map :p

That's all, hope it can help you :D~
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

xfraczynho wrote:

Hi! Hope this can be helpful for you ~

[Fondness]
  1. 00:13:564 (3,4,3) - this overlap looks ugly at playing specially :/, maybe try distancing them a little more remapped
  2. 00:17:435 (1,3) - I don't like this overlap either tbh, looks a little better for example remapped
  3. 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - spacing here is... s l i g h t l y exagerated imo but it seems more cause song comes so slow then jumps are a little big
    Yeah kind of, i think they are fine imo, i ll prob nerf the spacing a bit, who knows
  4. 00:34:467 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is better for example
  5. 00:37:564 - 00:39:112 - what about emphasizing the drum using circles? I think it's better and sliders are a little quiet for the strong sound
    ok
  6. 01:09:306 (4) - something like flows better imo ok
    Overall nice map :p
That's all, hope it can help you :D~

Thanks for the mod!~
Yahuri
1,406 posts
Joined July 2014
Yahuri

xfraczynho wrote:

[Yahuri's Hard]
  1. 00:13:564 - I think something like looks better here, considering the sliderangles in this section (5degrees off from horizontal/vertical) i dont like how the end result would look with your placement, but i did something similar also 00:14:338 (1) - it could be curved instead the before one sure
  2. 00:24:790 (4) - I'd pref to see this straight instead that strange red anchor all of the important sliders in this section have red anchors on them. this one too 00:37:177 (5)
  3. 00:39:499 (3) 00:42:209 (1) - 00:44:144 (3) - this break the flow a lot, is strange to see these 'L' slider on here. I think curved or something like [img]http://puu.sh/xxej5/5f67730c0c.jpg[img] are better and more beauti this is to make this section more distinguishable from the other sections by having more "closed-off" sliders, the slider you made contrasts that
  4. 00:49:177 (1,2,3) - it feels weird, I think 00:49:177 (1,2) - ctrl+g there OR ctrlging these + 00:49:177 (1,2) - ctrl+g on them is better that would eliminate emphasis completely and you linked the same thing twice
  5. 00:56:822 (3,4) - what about moving them a little down? Feels better visually i prefer not to have completely straight paths between several objects, also tail2-head4 is already straight so it looks fine
  6. 01:11:628 (1) - try making this more pronunciated; looks nice imo
i like the current way better
thanks!

xd
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Sooo many mods, call me when you a BN checks it
Nikakis
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Nikakis
@Kisses

neonat
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neonat
Kisses' Normal

00:34:467 (1) - sliderend has no whistle? It's the same as the sliderstart of 00:32:144 (3) which has a whistle though
00:43:757 (1) - use finish rather than just whistle for the sliderend? It's just as impactful as the music at the sliderstart
01:10:854 - seems quite odd to leave this beat empty though, feels incomplete as it has been following the vocal beats before this

Ky's Advanced

Looking at the densities of the difficulties, the gap from between this and Normal seems to be a pretty wide gap compared to the rest. With the number of sliders more than doubling and with around ~2x the objects from Normal, there is a lot of 1/4 sliders now added into each phrase. They align pretty much beat for beat for each melody (vocal) beats in the song, which I think could be toned down a bit. Having a few more sliders that go over more generally across some parts in the song could help ease things. Sliders like 00:36:015 (5) - really do help and can bridge more between the Normal and Hard, which this difficulty was meant to do. It's quite continuous with little or no breaks for the melody line before 00:37:564 and the rest of the kiai which isn't 00:55:951 - 01:02:144

Yahuri's Hard

00:38:532 (4,5,1,2,3) - the movement here is a little bit off-putting, especially between the phrases of 00:38:725 (5,1) - I feel it is mostly due to the shape of 00:39:499 (3) - which is very rigidly placed in the direction as 00:37:951 (3) but placed slightly off, making the movement swerve a little bit only and in a way that requires that extra forced positioning just to get it
00:42:209 (1,2) - kinda breezes over the beat at 00:42:402 - and the beat at 00:42:596 feels strong enough to be a start rather than where a slider ends, the hitsound also supports that idea, a rhythm like this could work nicer in this section:
SPOILER

Fondness

00:37:564 (1,2,3) - try to face them in a different direction, out of all the similar patterns, the starting of this portion doesn't move as well as the rest, mostly down to this pattern moving in the same direction, causing one to have to move backwards just to move in the same direction once again, which also stands out among the rest
01:06:983 (1,2) - could put more distance to them, like between 01:07:370 (2,3) - these 3 1/1 beats you hear with the vocals are like the peak of this section, would be nice to have more emphasis on them
01:10:080 (2) - why have a circle here though, there neither new vocal sound nor drums here, feels a little too forced for the sake of a jump pattern at the end of the map


Good Luck and all the best~
Nikakis
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Nikakis

neonat wrote:

Kisses' Normal

Fondness

00:37:564 (1,2,3) - try to face them in a different direction, out of all the similar patterns, the starting of this portion doesn't move as well as the rest, mostly down to this pattern moving in the same direction, causing one to have to move backwards just to move in the same direction once again, which also stands out among the rest ok, did something
01:06:983 (1,2) - could put more distance to them, like between 01:07:370 (2,3) - these 3 1/1 beats you hear with the vocals are like the peak of this section, would be nice to have more emphasis on them true
01:10:080 (2) - why have a circle here though, there neither new vocal sound nor drums here, feels a little too forced for the sake of a jump pattern at the end of the map Eh, kind of, ok


Good Luck and all the best~ ˢᵉᵉᵐˢ ʸᵒᵘ ᵃʳᵉᶰ'ᵗ ᶦᶰᵗᵉʳᵉˢᵗᵉᵈ ᶦᶜᵒᶰᶦᶰᵍ ᵗʰᵃᵗ

Thanks for the mod!~
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henlo from my modding queue which you already posted 2 times if I remembered correctly

[Ky's Advanced]

  1. AR should be bumped to 6 considering the rhythm density used is not that much different from Hard.
  2. 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4) - Not really a fan of the placements used cuz:
    1. 00:43:757 (1,2) - The overlap looks unnecessarily stood out cuz you didn't do this anywhere else previously
    2. 00:46:080 (4) - Didn't give much of a visual impression as a pattern when you put it far from the rest 00:43:757 (1,2,3) while 00:37:564 (1,2,3,4) - looked much better.
[Yahuri's Hard]

  1. 00:22:080 (1,2,3,4) - Normally would fit if vocals are occurring consistently, but in this case vocals didn't happen at 00:23:048 so a different rhythm or something should be used in order to differentiate that from the rest.
  2. 01:00:209 (3,4) - Was expecting a 1.0 spacing here, any reasons for the current spacing?
  3. 01:01:177 (2,3) - And regardless of whether the spacing is intentional, using 1.7 spacing on these makes 01:01:564 (3,1) less highlighted/emphasized.
[Fondness]

  1. 00:15:886 (1,2) - Better use the rhythm from 00:12:790 (1,2) or rhythm used in Yahuri's diff also works. What you have right now doesn't work cuz vocals happening on these sliders aren't consistent enough to be reflected with a consistent rhythm (4 1/2 sliders) mapping.
  2. 00:22:854 (1,4) - Swap NC?
  3. 00:24:402 (6) - 2 circles work better to differentiate this from 00:23:628 (4,5) which are mapped on vocals.
  4. 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:34:467 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Using all circles unnecessarily exaggerates the gameplay intensity, which is uncalled for since the song doesn't do anything different on these parts. Tbh you don't really need make vocals clickable all the time considering there already are several places earlier which vocal weren't clickable like 00:20:725 - 00:23:822 - 00:26:532 - etc
  5. 00:37:757 (2,3) - 00:39:305 (3,4) - Would be nice if you can be more consistent with the spacings, considering the rhythms on both places aren't different.
  6. 00:37:564 - I would like to know what's your NC intention from this part until 00:42:209 since other NCs are placed on downbeats all the time.
  7. 00:43:177 (4) - strong sound on slidertail aaa, suggest using 2 circles
  8. 00:43:757 (1,2) - 00:45:306 (1,2) - Was expecting the emphasis on instruments like what you did with 00:37:564 (1,2,3) - 00:39:112 (2,3,4) zzz
  9. 00:51:886 (2,3) - Was wondering why this is spaced unlike the others you did 00:54:596 (1,2,3) - 01:03:886 (1,2,3) .
  10. 00:53:822 (1) - Remove NC?
  11. 00:54:209 (3,4,1) - Consistent spacings + wide angle plays really uncomfortable, actually the spacing 00:54:209 (3,4) should be smaller than 00:54:402 (4,1) in the first place considering you did that on other places 00:51:112 (5,6,1) - 01:03:499 (4,5,1) - 01:06:596 (6,7,1) .
  12. 00:57:306 (4) - 01:02:725 (2,4) - Unnecessarily stood out since your usual aesthetics don't do overlaps.
  13. 00:57:499 (1,1) - Is there a necessity to recycle the placement? Not objectively wrong but you didn't do this kind of thing anywhere else? And 00:55:951 (1) has a similar rhythm to other two sliders but then it doesn't have the same placement idea as the ones I mentioned, so I'm wondering what's your intention here.
Last 2 points are minor, not absolutely needed to fix but should be considered if you wish the map to be polished + when you're mapping in the future

The rhythm density between Normal and Advanced is pretty big, Normal should be buffed to some extent, even as the easiest diff in the set I would still expect occasional 1/2 rhythms but there wasn't any, the map itself gave me an impression like it was made as Easy then changed the name to Normal.
As for the highest diff I would say the quality is not *quite* there yet for nomination so we'll leave it at that
If you have any questions then just ask me or something lol, good luck~
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Electoz wrote:

henlo from my modding queue which you already posted 2 times if I remembered correctly henlo fren, don't rly remember ;w;

  1. 00:15:886 (1,2) - Better use the rhythm from 00:12:790 (1,2) or rhythm used in Yahuri's diff also works. What you have right now doesn't work cuz vocals happening on these sliders aren't consistent enough to be reflected with a consistent rhythm (4 1/2 sliders) mapping. They aren't
    actually inconsistent, the beginning is calmer.1/2 + circle wouldn't really fit for this part because this     00:16:273 - vocal doesn't deserve to get ignored with a slider tail.Yes, Yahuri's rhythm works too but i won't change my rhythm when it's already fine.
  2. 00:22:854 (1,4) - Swap NC? k
  3. 00:24:402 (6) - 2 circles work better to differentiate this from 00:23:628 (4,5) which are mapped on vocals. k
  4. 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:34:467 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Using all circles unnecessarily exaggerates the gameplay intensity, which is uncalled for since the song doesn't do anything different on these parts. Tbh you don't really need make vocals clickable all the time considering there already are several places earlier which vocal weren't clickable like 00:20:725 - 00:23:822 - 00:26:532 - etc But that's my intention for this part, to ''pep up''
    the gameplay for the different and un-held vocal's tone.About the unckickable parts that you mentioned, they aren't that intense to actually make them clickable so i'm using sliders.    The only part i think that i shouldn't make the vocals clickable , is this 00:34:467 (1,2,3,4) - , so yeah ,reworked.
  5. 00:37:757 (2,3) - 00:39:305 (3,4) - Would be nice if you can be more consistent with the spacings, considering the rhythms on both places aren't different.
    it actually plays fine, im doing this spacing for the vocal's higher tone
  6. 00:37:564 - I would like to know what's your NC intention from this part until 00:42:209 since other NCs are placed on downbeats all the time.I think Yahuri helped me with NC'ing but what's the actual problem behind this NC'ing?
  7. 00:43:177 (4) - strong sound on slidertail aaa, suggest using 2 circles Guitar
  8. 00:43:757 (1,2) - 00:45:306 (1,2) - Was expecting the emphasis on instruments like what you did with 00:37:564 (1,2,3) - 00:39:112 (2,3,4) zzz
  9. 00:51:886 (2,3) - Was wondering why this is spaced unlike the others you did 00:54:596 (1,2,3) - 01:03:886 (1,2,3) remapped
  10. 00:53:822 (1) - Remove NC? k
  11. 00:54:209 (3,4,1) - Consistent spacings + wide angle plays really uncomfortable, actually the spacing 00:54:209 (3,4) should be smaller than 00:54:402 (4,1) in the first place considering you did that on other places 00:51:112 (5,6,1) - 01:03:499 (4,5,1) - 01:06:596 (6,7,1) . remapped
  12. 00:57:306 (4) - 01:02:725 (2,4) - Unnecessarily stood out since your usual aesthetics don't do overlaps. remapped
  13. 00:57:499 (1,1) - Is there a necessity to recycle the placement? Not objectively wrong but you didn't do this kind of thing anywhere else? And 00:55:951 (1) has a similar rhythm to other two sliders but then it doesn't have the same placement idea as the ones I mentioned, so I'm wondering what's your intention here. remapped
Last 2 points are minor, not absolutely needed to fix but should be considered if you wish the map to be polished + when you're mapping in the future

The rhythm density between Normal and Advanced is pretty big, Normal should be buffed to some extent, even as the easiest diff in the set I would still expect occasional 1/2 rhythms but there wasn't any, the map itself gave me an impression like it was made as Easy then changed the name to Normal.
When Kyle Y was making his diff, he told me that the Star Rate wasn't growing up so he made a more ''complex'' Normal.People started complaining about the diff so we renamed the diff to Advanced and Kisses' to Easy.Overall, it isn't really a big issue since both of the difficulties are practically acceptable for different names since the BPM is too low and slow, u know wham saying?
As for the highest diff I would say the quality is not *quite* there yet for nomination so we'll leave it at that hope it's better now
If you have any questions then just ask me or something lol sure, good luck~

Thanks for the mod!~
Net0
Beatmap Nominator
1,273 posts
Joined October 2014
Net0

Kisses wrote:

the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enough

Kisses wrote:

the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enough

Kisses wrote:

the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enough

Kisses wrote:

the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enough

Kisses wrote:

the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enough
Kisses' Normal

00:46:854 (1,1) -
00:48:596 - ~ 00:49:757 -

Do you even apply what you force in other people maps?
Yahuri
1,406 posts
Joined July 2014
Yahuri

neonat wrote:

Yahuri's Hard

00:38:532 (4,5,1,2,3) - the movement here is a little bit off-putting, especially between the phrases of 00:38:725 (5,1) - I feel it is mostly due to the shape of 00:39:499 (3) - which is very rigidly placed in the direction as 00:37:951 (3) but placed slightly off, making the movement swerve a little bit only and in a way that requires that extra forced positioning just to get it moved the red anchor bit to the left instead, not sure if that fixes it tho
00:42:209 (1,2) - kinda breezes over the beat at 00:42:402 - and the beat at 00:42:596 feels strong enough to be a start rather than where a slider ends, the hitsound also supports that idea, a rhythm like this could work nicer in this section:
SPOILER
did something a bit different

Electoz wrote:

[Yahuri's Hard]
  1. 00:22:080 (1,2,3,4) - Normally would fit if vocals are occurring consistently, but in this case vocals didn't happen at 00:23:048 so a different rhythm or something should be used in order to differentiate that from the rest. i hear something though its not quite as differentiated from the previous vocal ("kae" or sth like that)
  2. 01:00:209 (3,4) - Was expecting a 1.0 spacing here, any reasons for the current spacing? o ur right i messed up
  3. 01:01:177 (2,3) - And regardless of whether the spacing is intentional, using 1.7 spacing on these makes 01:01:564 (3,1) less highlighted/emphasized. changed to 1.5x
oof rly late sorry

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Arphimigon
1,651 posts
Joined December 2014
Arphimigon
Lab Aesthetics Mod!
Results given in [x, y] formats
[Fondness]
Object at 00:25:757 - should be placed at: [302, 114] currently at: [303, 115] to move in line with slider at time 00:26:338 -
Object at 00:41:628 - should be placed at: [298, 182] currently at: [299, 183] to move in line with slider at time 00:41:241 -
Object at 00:42:596 - should be placed at: [419, 247] currently at: [420, 248] to move in line with slider at time 00:43:177 -
Object at 00:56:822 - should be placed at: [241, 180] currently at: [242, 181] to move in line with slider at time 00:56:532 -
Object at 00:56:919 - should be placed at: [221, 182] currently at: [222, 183] to move in line with slider at time 00:56:532 -
[Kisses' Normal]
Nothing Detected!
[Ky's Advanced]
Nothing Detected!
[Yahuri's Hard]
Object at 00:17:822 - should be placed at: [505, 152] currently at: [506, 153] to move in line with slider at time 00:17:435 -
Object at 00:49:370 - should be placed at: [329, 146] currently at: [329, 149] to blanket slider body at time 00:49:757 -
Object at 00:50:532 - should be placed at: [329, 146] currently at: [329, 149] to blanket slider body at time 00:49:757 -
Object at 00:52:080 - should be placed at: [326, 149] currently at: [329, 149] to blanket slider body at time 00:51:499 -
Object at 01:07:757 - should be placed at: [438, 176] currently at: [439, 177] to move in line with slider at time 01:06:983 -
Results for stacked may be wrong, ya can ignore those.
Yahuri
1,406 posts
Joined July 2014
Yahuri
why
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 49757
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: None
StackLeniency: 0.4
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.5
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 1.4

[Metadata]
Title:Setsuna Plus
TitleUnicode:刹那プラス
Artist:ITO KASHITARO
ArtistUnicode:伊東歌詞太郎
Creator:Nikakis
Version:Yahuri's Hard
Source:
Tags:momentary plus weezer fuwamoko-p mikitop mikito-p みきとP my little white cat itou kashitarou utaite yahuri kyle_y kisses cut version
BeatmapID:1376980
BeatmapSetID:648930

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:6
ApproachRate:7.5
SliderMultiplier:1.7
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Moment.Plus.full.1885924.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

[TimingPoints]
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Nikakis
770 posts
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Topic Starter
Nikakis
It seems that Kyle Y is inactive so i think it's time for me to take the control of his difficulty and reply to the latest mods.If Kyle Y will come back, he can freely disagree with the changes and bring back his own things.Also, me and neonat decided to change the full caps thing for Ito's name cause it's quite cringy and random.So:

C u r i wrote:

[ky]
01:00:402 (3,4) - check stack fixed

xfraczynho wrote:

[Ky's Advanced]
  1. 00:15:499 (7,7,7) - etc I think NC on them is better than next note, it feels a little hard to read actually k, i guess its better now
  2. 00:22:854 (3) - this somehow breaks the nice flow you did in 00:21:693 (7,1,2) - D: its fine imo
  3. 00:23:628 (5) - I think this as a straight slider is better since it's currently making an unity and pointing to blanket should be nicer (refer to 00:24:790 (7) - )
    I think that Kyle is using curvy sliders for vocals, it's an instrument sound there
  4. 00:29:822 (5,6) - I'm pretty sure this blanket can be fixed its fine, hope im not blind
  5. 00:33:306 (6) - this slider feels better at curved cause little distortion on voice its ok
  6. 00:38:338 (2,3,4) - beauti
  7. 00:40:661 (1,2,3) - this flows really strange, I think it flows better if you move 00:41:822 (2) - to 242,48 or something like that and start from here other patterns :p
    this part has breaks so its not a really big deal
  8. 00:56:532 (2) - it looks better if you move it a little down like at the same point than (1) tail
    Kiai looks nice subjective imo, its ok
  9. 01:07:757 (7) - something more extended like ^ looks better

neonat wrote:

Ky's Advanced

Looking at the densities of the difficulties, the gap from between this and Normal seems to be a pretty wide gap compared to the rest. With the number of sliders more than doubling and with around ~2x the objects from Normal, there is a lot of 1/4 sliders now added into each phrase. They align pretty much beat for beat for each melody (vocal) beats in the song, which I think could be toned down a bit. Having a few more sliders that go over more generally across some parts in the song could help ease things. Sliders like 00:36:015 (5) - really do help and can bridge more between the Normal and Hard, which this difficulty was meant to do. It's quite continuous with little or no breaks for the melody line before 00:37:564 and the rest of the kiai which isn't 00:55:951 - 01:02:144 It could be toned down but his diff is unique and i like it the way it is.It's not a really big issue.In my opinion, each difficulty, as long as how hard or easy it is, it can have its own concept and style.That's my take out for this subject.

Electoz wrote:

[Ky's Advanced]

  1. AR should be bumped to 6 considering the rhythm density used is not that much different from Hard. k
  2. 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4) - Not really a fan of the placements used cuz:
    1. 00:43:757 (1,2) - The overlap looks unnecessarily stood out cuz you didn't do this anywhere else previously
    2. 00:46:080 (4) - Didn't give much of a visual impression as a pattern when you put it far from the rest 00:43:757 (1,2,3) while 00:37:564 (1,2,3,4) - looked much better. k, did something else, hope its better now


Thanks for the mods!~
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Cerulean Veyron
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Cerulean Veyron
m4m, sry for the delay ;c

[- - General - -]
  • - Do you have any sources/labels that confirms your metadata you're currently using? Asking for it just in case ;p
    - I don't know exactly, but it seems like Kisses' Normal is the only difficulty that probably has its hitsounds default while the other three is customed for some reason. Perhaps you've missed it before, or Kisses doesn't like your hitsounds... or something else? xd
    - Nothing here, well done!

[- - Kisses - -]
  1. 00:54:596 (4,1,2,3,4) - This structure doesn't seem to be even by the looks of the angles over some notes, especially 00:54:596 (4,1,2) - as the first three notes that kinda makes the patterning a bit way steep in my opinion. I would probably think either readjust the positions of the two sharp sliders a little more tweaking on 00:54:596 (4) - and 00:57:499 (3) -, or you could somehow align the two circles 00:56:919 (2,4) - on their previous slider tails in order to perceive a neater structural flow.
  2. - Pretty solid.

[- - Ky - -]
  1. 00:27:886 (1,2,3,4,5) - I kinda felt that this whole pattern here isn't pretty well executed though, and it's probably because of the distance spacing of 1.4x is adhered throughout the difficulty. Somehow the part on 00:28:273 (2,3,4) - is probably botched out due the pattern itself is mostly mapped for the sake of structure over visual aspect and aesthetics. So I would highly suggest to compensate the reversed sliders into something more appealing than just focusing to much on flow.
  2. 00:40:661 (1,2,3) - Well, this one's kinda spaced out weirdly regarding the beat snapping. It's either you've missed it out while looking over the difficulty, or maybe... done intended for a purpose(?)
  3. - ok

[- - Fondness - -]
  1. 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - Starting on circle (1), the placements of the rest of the notes seem to be really random somehow, nearly a bit messy in visual. If you were attempting to do some polygonal or triangular shape of the circle jumps here, then it kinda didn't work out well in my opinion. So to avoid such odd and clustered structures, maybe you could at least map out some polygon by using these five circles, or maybe with 00:29:241 (6) - as long as you keep the back-and-forth thing after this part.
  2. 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm well aware that this is a complete copy-paste, just for the sake of the song track sounding "too similar like the previous". You know, I don't find this section being mapped with efforts into it but somehow an alternative way of showing avoidance of activity or exertion, which is commonly called "laziness". By any means necessary, reworking this whole copied section would technically be best to rectify most structures here, as well as displaying much more interesting patterns than bypassing the same thing repetitively.
  3. 00:51:886 (2,3,4) - Some of these angles in structural flow seems to be really steep though, like it's somehow a bit way too sharp especially on 00:52:273 (3) -. Not to mention that it even moves a little weird after clicking circle (4) to the next slider (1). Maybe you could at least select one of the sliders and Ctrl + G in order to avoid creating more flaws towards movements. With that way, you might also execute a compressed structure a little bit at some point.
  4. 01:11:725 (1) - Just a personal suggestion, but hey. I wouldn't really recommend adding a spinner over a part that doesn't (or barely) sound like sparring out or some ride instrument on the background music itself. So I honestly might think one circle here, which is 01:11:628 (1) -, is actually best for this only part without the spinner. Or you could just leave a slider if you want, but I'd prefer a circle here because of the cymbal sound for sure.

hard diff was pretty gud o/
ok
Nikakis
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Topic Starter
Nikakis

Cerulean Veyron wrote:

m4m, sry for the delay ;c

[- - Ky - -]
  1. 00:27:886 (1,2,3,4,5) - I kinda felt that this whole pattern here isn't pretty well executed though, and it's probably because of the distance spacing of 1.4x is adhered throughout the difficulty. Somehow the part on 00:28:273 (2,3,4) - is probably botched out due the pattern itself is mostly mapped for the sake of structure over visual aspect and aesthetics. So I would highly suggest to compensate the reversed sliders into something more appealing than just focusing to much on flow. I literally can't understand your concern behind this small essay, what's the actual problem?Readability?Flow?Aesthetics?What...?
  2. 00:40:661 (1,2,3) - Well, this one's kinda spaced out weirdly regarding the beat snapping. It's either you've missed it out while looking over the difficulty, or maybe... done intended for a purpose(?)
  3. - ok

[- - Fondness - -]
  1. 00:28:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - Starting on circle (1), the placements of the rest of the notes seem to be really random somehow, nearly a bit messy in visual. If you were attempting to do some polygonal or triangular shape of the circle jumps here, then it kinda didn't work out well in my opinion. So to avoid such odd and clustered structures, maybe you could at least map out some polygon by using these five circles, or maybe with 00:29:241 (6) - as long as you keep the back-and-forth thing after this part. ok, reworked
  2. 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm well aware that this is a complete copy-paste, just for the sake of the song track sounding "too similar like the previous". You know, I don't find this section being mapped with efforts into it but somehow an alternative way of showing avoidance of activity or exertion, which is commonly called "laziness". By any means necessary, reworking this whole copied section would technically be best to rectify most structures here, as well as displaying much more interesting patterns than bypassing the same thing repetitively. It is a copy paste but i don't see anything negative about this.And i can't map something more different between these 2 parts, they are too similar.I will keep your suggestion in my mind but no changes for now.
  3. 00:51:886 (2,3,4) - Some of these angles in structural flow seems to be really steep though, like it's somehow a bit way too sharp especially on 00:52:273 (3) -. Not to mention that it even moves a little weird after clicking circle (4) to the next slider (1). Maybe you could at least select one of the sliders and Ctrl + G in order to avoid creating more flaws towards movements. With that way, you might also execute a compressed structure a little bit at some point. Yes it's actually quite sharp but it doesn't influence the player's movement that much, flow is fine, keeping it for now.
  4. 01:11:725 (1) - Just a personal suggestion, but hey. I wouldn't really recommend adding a spinner over a part that doesn't (or barely) sound like sparring out or some ride instrument on the background music itself. So I honestly might think one circle here, which is 01:11:628 (1) -, is actually best for this only part without the spinner. Or you could just leave a slider if you want, but I'd prefer a circle here because of the cymbal sound for sure.Ok,
    i will delete the spinner, rip, i liked it..

hard diff was pretty gud o/
ok
Thanks for the mod!
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_handholding
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Joined April 2014
_handholding
@CV I don't get what you mean :v
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
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Joined April 2012
neonat
Check your Inherited Points on the Advance

You sure you really don't want any spinners in Advance and Hard for some score differences?

Fondness

00:15:306 (4,1) - shift more to the left? Also would be nice if you give slightly more space between 00:15:306 (4) - and 00:14:725 (3,5) - than right now. The beats after each held vocal you've placed more distance for them, aside from this one and 00:30:790 (3) - which is also kinda space in spacing I feel for the section. Those with spacings like 00:21:499 (3) - 00:33:886 (3) - seem better, the bigger spacing gives them more emphasis as they lead to the next phrase
00:43:177 (4) - the beat at 00:43:370 is pretty strong, instead of just using a slider just use circles so that can click on the white line
00:54:209 (6,7,1) - I'd say lower this spacing, this section is not the peak of the part, also because I think with more difference to the peak of the chorus which is at 01:05:822 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - it could define that part more, to show why that section is where the peak of the chorus is ( 01:06:596 (6,1) - were these 2 supposed to stack perfectly or slightly off each other?)
01:09:306 (4) - ctrl-h to the other side of 01:08:919 (2) - would move better from 01:09:112 (3) - something like this:
Nikakis
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Topic Starter
Nikakis

neonat wrote:

Check your Inherited Points on the Advance ok

You sure you really don't want any spinners in Advance and Hard for some score differences? I guess so, since the mappers of these diffs don't feel that a spinner would fit.

Fondness

00:15:306 (4,1) - shift more to the left? Also would be nice if you give slightly more space between 00:15:306 (4) - and 00:14:725 (3,5) - than right now. The beats after each held vocal you've placed more distance for them, aside from this one and 00:30:790 (3) - which is also kinda space in spacing I feel for the section. Those with spacings like 00:21:499 (3) - 00:33:886 (3) - seem better, the bigger spacing gives them more emphasis as they lead to the next phrase
you are right, I did something
00:43:177 (4) - the beat at 00:43:370 is pretty strong, instead of just using a slider just use circles so that can click on the white line
ok
00:54:209 (6,7,1) - I'd say lower this spacing, this section is not the peak of the part, also because I think with more difference to the peak of the chorus which is at 01:05:822 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - it could define that part more, to show why that section is where the peak of the chorus is ( 01:06:596 (6,1) - were these 2 supposed to stack perfectly or slightly off each other?)
It's true that the second part is a bit stronger than the other but I don't agree for a spacing nerf for the first part, these vocals totally deserve this kind of spacing especially in Kiai.In my opinion, these jumps aren't ''overspaced'' that ''steal'' the importance of the second chorus so it seems fine.No changes for here.If you still insist then I will do something but as I said it's fine. Fixed the stack tho
01:09:306 (4) - ctrl-h to the other side of 01:08:919 (2) - would move better from 01:09:112 (3) - something like this:
good idea
Thanks for the recheck! Do i kds or not xd? Idk
neonat
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neonat
Shifted the spacing of 00:30:790 (3,4,5) -
Nikakis
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Nikakis

neonat wrote:

Shifted the spacing of 00:30:790 (3,4,5) -
Iᴛ sᴇᴇᴍs ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʏᴏᴜ ᴀʀᴇ ɪɴᴛᴇʀᴇsᴛᴇᴅ ᴏɴ ɪᴄᴏɴɪɴɢ ɪᴛ

Thanks neonat!
Kagetsu
796 posts
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Kagetsu
[General]
  1. i don't quite like the way you use whistles (speaking of advanced hard and insane) it seems like you're using them to complement claps so it's like your hitsounding had no whistles actually, something like kisses did is way better (you can merge your current clap and whistle in just one file so that whistles would actually had some purpose
  2. the diff naming is kinda weird, normal should be renamed to easy and advanced to normal, there's no reason to keep the current naming as the diffs fit perfectly within the usual labeling
[Fondness]
  1. something i don't like about this diff is that your visual design is sometimes too inconsistent, with that i mean the objects look sometimes too close from each other and sometimes too far despite music being quite consistent in that regard, some examples would be
  2. 01:03:886 (1,2,3) - i don't really get why 01:04:273 (2) - is so close to 01:03:886 (1) - , since you're following vocals, you would notice that all of these three beats are quite equal in terms of intensity so i would expect them to be more equally spaced (visually speaking) it's kinda problematic when you compare it with stuff like 01:06:983 (1,2,3) - which is representing the same thing
  3. 00:39:112 (2,3,4) - compared to 00:37:564 (1,2,3) - the spacing on the first one looks forced, just look how 00:37:564 (1,2,3) - groups all of these three objects in just one pattern whereas on 00:39:112 (2,3,4) - circles are divided from the slider, also shouldn't the nc be on 00:39:112 - instead?
  4. the diff looks decent but i feel it could be easily improved by simply paying more attention to the way you arrange your objects, i think you shouldn't rely that much on blankets because they sometimes make the placements too forced in my opinion

[Yahuri's Hard]
  1. 00:16:661 (3) - 00:30:209 (2) - these kind of shapes could look better if you move red anchors more to the center and make the lines from white to red anchors parallel
  2. 00:37:951 (3) - 00:39:499 (3) - 00:44:144 (3) - 00:45:693 (3) - even though this is a calm section, i would recommend to unstack these so it emphasizes the guitar
[Ky's Advanced]
  1. 00:56:532 (2) - 00:58:080 (5) - could really use more dense rhythms, 1/2 would work just fine
[Kisses' Normal]
it's fine


good luck
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Kagetsu wrote:

[General]
  1. i don't quite like the way you use whistles (speaking of advanced hard and insane) it seems like you're using them to complement claps so it's like your hitsounding had no whistles actually, something like kisses did is way better (you can merge your current clap and whistle in just one file so that whistles would actually had some purpose

    I think that it is a matter of each person's taste.If you ask me,I find it cool because it's suitable with the clap and they combine a nice audible impact.Some, like you and others, may find it useless or as you say, just ''to complement claps'' but in the end of the day, whistle doesn't exist just for variety?So yeah, I won't go into this whole procedure that you suggested when there's isn't any serious reason to actually change something, it's just pointless.

  2. the diff naming is kinda weird, normal should be renamed to easy and advanced to normal, there's no reason to keep the current naming as the diffs fit perfectly within the usual labeling

I hope that we can finally close this subject definitively about the difficulty names, half of the mods had this type of opinion and the others the opposite.I mean like, wtf people.

[Fondness]
  1. something i don't like about this diff is that your visual design is sometimes too inconsistent, with that i mean the objects look sometimes too close from each other and sometimes too far despite music being quite consistent in that regard, some examples would be
  2. 01:03:886 (1,2,3) - i don't really get why 01:04:273 (2) - is so close to 01:03:886 (1) - , since you're following vocals, you would notice that all of these three beats are quite equal in terms of intensity so i would expect them to be more equally spaced (visually speaking) it's kinda problematic when you compare it with stuff like 01:06:983 (1,2,3) - which is representing the same thing

    I don't want to map consistent spacings on these patterns simply because each vocal syllable has its own different impact in these parts of the song.True, they may have the same intensity but I want to emphasize the vowels on every third slider, which they are always more lively and stronger than the others.I don't care about the beats or the snares on these parts simply because my intention is to map only the vocals.Both of our opinions are acceptable so yeah, end of story. Btw i readjusted the spacing of these better, they were too close 01:06:983 (1,2,3) - .


  3. 00:39:112 (2,3,4) - compared to 00:37:564 (1,2,3) - the spacing on the first one looks forced, just look how 00:37:564 (1,2,3) - groups all of these three objects in just one pattern whereas on 00:39:112 (2,3,4) - circles are divided from the slider, also shouldn't the nc be on 00:39:112 - instead?

    I space them out like this for the strong vocals , is spacing variety so weird? But true, NCing was weird in this part of the song, reworked

  4. the diff looks decent but i feel it could be easily improved by simply paying more attention to the way you arrange your objects, i think you shouldn't rely that much on blankets because they sometimes make the placements too forced in my opinion It's my style :)
[Ky's Advanced]
  1. 00:56:532 (2) - 00:58:080 (5) - could really use more dense rhythms, 1/2 would work just fine
    This is subjective, it's already fine in the way it is.The player will need some breaks to rest a bit from the previous continuous rhythm.
good luck
Thanks for the mod!Will update when Yahuri will appear.
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Yahuri
1,406 posts
Joined July 2014
Yahuri

Kagetsu wrote:

[General]
  1. i don't quite like the way you use whistles (speaking of advanced hard and insane) it seems like you're using them to complement claps so it's like your hitsounding had no whistles actually, something like kisses did is way better (you can merge your current clap and whistle in just one file so that whistles would actually had some purpose
    if you listen closely to the music, the whistle hitsound is present. for example, especially here 00:17:822. sure they dont really add emphasis or whatever, but its nice to have some variety. on the other hand, Kisses's diff uses whistles for vocals without claps or finishes, which is completely different from the type of hitsounding used in the other diffs (or at least mine xd).

    [Yahuri's Hard]
    1. 00:16:661 (3) - 00:30:209 (2) - these kind of shapes could look better if you move red anchors more to the center and make the lines from white to red anchors parallel if you rotate these shapes -5 and -10 degrees, you will see that the white-red anchor lines are parallel (though there are minor pixel differences, which i have fixed now)
    2. 00:37:951 (3) - 00:39:499 (3) - 00:44:144 (3) - 00:45:693 (3) - even though this is a calm section, i would recommend to unstack these so it emphasizes the guitar applied, here as well 00:42:209 (1)
thanks!

doot
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neonat
Beatmap Nominator
3,535 posts
Joined April 2012
neonat
Fondness

01:04:661 (3) - try to give it a relatively similar distance from the 2nd slider like what you did at 00:55:370 (3) and 01:07:757 (3) - it's currently just 1.48x but could be somewhere around 1.9x like those 2 others, something like:
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

neonat wrote:

Fondness

01:04:661 (3) - try to give it a relatively similar distance from the 2nd slider like what you did at 00:55:370 (3) and 01:07:757 (3) - it's currently just 1.48x but could be somewhere around 1.9x like those 2 others, something like:
I did something, is it fine?I think 1,9 is quite low, something above 2 is more suitable in my opinion.
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
3,535 posts
Joined April 2012
neonat
Rebubbled
Uta
966 posts
Joined December 2016
Uta
grats! hope will qualified soon
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Uta wrote:

grats! hope will qualified soon
Thanks Uta, I hope so.
Kyle Y
1,210 posts
Joined November 2013
Kyle Y
oh..... I suddenly saw this song being bubbled. congrat Nikakis and happy new year.

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Edit:
When I saw my diff once, I just know 00:43:757 - has been changed into a weird way, which is totally different from my mapping style.
So, could I make a change for it without rhythm change? I think kyle's style should looks like:

Ssorry for sudden come back.

this
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I remember Kyle hates ugly overlapping.
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Kyle Y wrote:

oh..... I suddenly saw this song being bubbled. congrat Nikakis and happy new year.

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Edit:
When I saw my diff once, I just know 00:43:757 - has been changed into a weird way, which is totally different from my mapping style.
So, could I make a change for it without rhythm change? I think kyle's style should looks like:

Ssorry for sudden come back.

this
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I remember Kyle hates ugly overlapping.
...ok whatever, done.

edit: @neonat, Kyle Y wanted to apply some changes on some parts that I had remapped on my own in his difficulty back when he was inactive.The placement of the notes now on Ky's Normal at 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - are clearer to read, so yeah I think that we are good to go again, sorry if i bother you bubbling for the third time, hope it's the last one.

edit 2: Improved the hitsounding in Fondness
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
3,535 posts
Joined April 2012
neonat
Fixed some off-spacings in Normal
Natsu
8,076 posts
Joined September 2012
Natsu
top

  1. 00:15:693 (6) - 6 not being in line with 4 and 5 triggers me a lot :(
  2. 00:25:951 (3,4) - the blanket can be better than the current one
  3. 00:35:435 (4,5,6) - the strong beat 5 has little spacing while the weak beat 6 has a big jump, that doesn't represent the song well



hard

  1. 00:37:177 (5,1) - try 1,60 spacing like in 00:25:177 (1) - etc
  2. 00:43:370 (4,1) - the stack leniency breaks your spacing a bit
Normal

  1. 00:24:790 (1,2) - I didn't understand your NCs, In the part before 00:24:790 (1,2) - you're following the vocals at every nc, but in 00:24:790 (1,2) - I don't get it
  2. 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - you forgot a nc here right? nvm why all the part after that is following 2 stanzas instead of 1 as before?
easy

  1. OD3 is more balanced with the rest, also normal is only od 4 lol
Yahuri
1,406 posts
Joined July 2014
Yahuri
all fixed
osu file format v14

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Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Natsu wrote:

top

  1. 00:15:693 (6) - 6 not being in line with 4 and 5 triggers me a lot :( It triggered me too.
  2. 00:25:951 (3,4) - the blanket can be better than the current one Ok, I spaced it out a bit.
  3. 00:35:435 (4,5,6) - the strong beat 5 has little spacing while the weak beat 6 has a big jump, that doesn't represent the song well Ok,
    I hope it's better now


Normal

  1. 00:24:790 (1,2) - I didn't understand your NCs, In the part before 00:24:790 (1,2) - you're following the vocals at every nc, but in 00:24:790 (1,2) - I don't get it Fixed
  2. 00:43:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - you forgot a nc here right? nvm why all the part after that is following 2 stanzas instead of 1 as before? Fixed
easy

  1. OD3 is more balanced with the rest, also normal is only od 4 lol Fixed
Thanks for the mod!
Natsu
8,076 posts
Joined September 2012
Natsu
cool
Mint
1,611 posts
Joined February 2013
Mint
gratz!!!!
Pho
1,785 posts
Joined November 2013
Pho

appleeaterx wrote:

gratz!!!!
brings back memories when you were still a applebud in the community lol

gratz
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis
Thank you both!
Lanturn
osu! Alumni
3,912 posts
Joined March 2012
Lanturn
so this song will come up when I try to search for weezer now.

Anyways, congrats :)
Lobelia
862 posts
Joined February 2014
Lobelia
very nice :3
Kyle Y
1,210 posts
Joined November 2013
Kyle Y
I am a poor mapper
I can rank a guest diff
Poor mapper can rank a guest diff, valid.

congratulations, Nikakis.
thanks you for allowing me to join this mapset.
Nikakis
770 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Nikakis

Kyle Y wrote:

I am a poor mapper
I can rank a guest diff
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congratulations, Nikakis.
thanks you for allowing me to join this mapset.
Thank you @Kyle Y, I feel blessed that I worked with you, we had such a nice cooperation, I have to admit it.Same with @Kisses and @Yahuri, I wouldn't be able to push Setsuna Plus by myself, thank you all for the contribution!
Kyle Y
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Joined November 2013
Kyle Y
Mapping Easy, Normal, Hard is a piece of cake to me, but the only disadvantage is I am only active in long holidays.
Mentai
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Joined June 2016
Mentai
kyle y is the best mapper on osu
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