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penoreri - Preserved Valkyria

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Blobbability
126 posts
Joined November 2015
Blobbability
Oh rip. An 8* map was stopped from rank.
Genjuro
652 posts
Joined August 2013
Genjuro

Nikakis wrote:

Kroytz was probably a good student in Geometry, but not so good in the Music Class
WORSTPOLACKEU
511 posts
Joined May 2013
WORSTPOLACKEU
Just a sidenote.

01:25:161 (1,2,3) -
This actually plays better than the thing Nominator whose name I forgotten mentioned.
Also does he really need to explain the thought behind that? He just said he wants it like that and it plays okay, it should be enough.
Stuff like this is done in many maps, forcing blanket because it looks good and could play differently but it still plays ok.

Anyhow, this plays well because nr 3 is below nr 1 and 2 so the emphasis on nr 2 to jump back down is there.
If he would put it like you mentioned, forward, the stop would become very awkward, you have to stop and then move fast in the same direction
which is a really annoying thing to play, many mappers do not notice the small awkward stops, this small bump upwards makes this comfortable.

On the other hand, I do not understand stuff like 01:46:434 (1,2,1,2) -
If you are to follow the music, how do you map the more intense part later on?
This feels more like a jump training now than actual map, I think even for you Kroytz, this is a little too much, song is very calm compared to the rest
and you do screenjumps instead of making it feel like this actually is a part that is between the intense parts.

01:49:161 (1,2) - This is awkward because you jump further with angle being too
CTRL-G 01:49:298 (2,3) - and 01:49:571 (1,2) - and it is comfortable and gives more emphasis imo
Asagi
1,020 posts
Joined March 2013
Asagi

Ascendance wrote:

I say it a lot but

mapping only the top diff to a set is really lazy to me :/ Obviously it's just my opinion but when you're an experienced mapper, you have higher expectations imo, it just comes across as "hm I'm just gonna map one diff and sit back" instead of putting substantial effort into the creation of your set
Joe Castle
802 posts
Joined September 2014
Joe Castle

Nikakis wrote:

Kroytz was probably a good student in Geometry, but not so good in the Music Class
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Fushimi Rio
Fushimi Rio

Mao wrote:

[Rio's MAXIMUM]
  1. 00:23:050 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern gimmick is not introduced well due to the complexity of this pattern. Putting it right after a long stream makes it unpredictable and thus really hard to play. I'd rather go for something similar like Kroytz and introduce spaced 1/3 in general first and then go all out with the patterns, changed to a clearer pattern
  2. 00:33:889 (2) - Why is there no hitsound on this? Same for 00:35:437 (3) - added a normal-finish sample
  3. 00:38:469 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is quite hard to read because this is almost the spacing you have used for 1/3 before. Just start small like with 00:19:953 - . won't be that hard if players are able to hear the song
  4. 00:55:707 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - All of your other patterns were pretty straight-forward and not that overlap-heavy yet here you go all out on an overlap gimmick which makes this way too hard to read. overlapped jumps are hard to read and then hard to play, but things are different for streams
  5. 00:56:798 - Your emphasis in this section is quite weird because the piano emphasises the red ticks like 00:58:026 - yet you decide to put jumps on the white ones like 00:57:889 (1) - . I recommend you doing it like you do at 01:01:161 - . because the newly introduced drum track is more inviting in the first two bar (but not the third
  6. 01:09:889 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Why didn't you split these into groups of two like you do for all the other ones? because the song didn't split it
  7. 01:18:616 (1) - Not really a huge complaint but this double repeat feels out of place in the context of the difficulty. still structural with the song
  8. 01:22:980 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - The huge spacing plays really really weird here. You never used such spacings for 1/4 before and afterwards in the map which makes this just feel completely out of place. Also at least silence the slider tails here like Kroytz did. Especially 01:23:798 (1,2) - sounds really bad. muting sliderends are nice idea but this pattern itself is fine im pretty sure
  9. 01:25:571 (2) - Is there a reason for this normal finish? Better slap it onto something like 01:26:116 (1) - . ok, not bad
  10. 01:28:298 (2,1) - This is about the same thing I explained in Kroytz' diff at 01:28:298 (4,5) - . pattern is following the high-pitch but structure is to drums
  11. 01:32:798 - Again, the whole pattern here is something you have never done before in any kind of way which makes it very unexpected and with that a difficulty spike. the song has never done before too but you gave me a nice idea for new pattern
  12. 01:40:434 - There's a similar issue with emphasis in this part as the song emphasizes notes like 01:41:252 (2) - or 01:46:025 (2) - and even though you followed it nicely with patterns like 01:42:616 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - , you are not consistent enough with it. the higher-pitch trach is not clear until 01:41:525 - , it's not reasonable to create non-exist rhythms just for consistency
  13. 01:53:525 - I don't really get the way you handle flow from that point on. Let me explain, you have rotational movement starting at 01:53:525 - but then you suddenly swap to sharp linear movement at 01:54:616 (1,2,1,2) - for no apparant reason. now its clear
  14. 01:58:343 (1,2) - This spaced 1/3 is pretty awkward to play, better go with a stack here. not that awkward if the player is able to play this whole map (otherwise they would fail before this pattern
Honestly, I think this difficulty needs to be reworked in many ways. Emphasis is inconsistent and there are new concepts thrown at the player out of nowhere. Also the hitsounding could use some work. In general here I'd suggest more mods on this.
Thanks for modding!

AncuL wrote:

on the hardest diff, 01:55:707 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the way on putting NC (and notes) on these sets of notes is a big no for me. this part has a pattern of 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3, not 1-2-1-2-1-2. i believe things similiar to this represents the song better

in a side note, maybe adding NC to every single notes on 01:57:889 (1,2,3,4) - might be better to end the music

edit: similiar thing happens in Rio's diff, 01:53:525 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - has a pattern of 1-2-3-1-2-3 while the mapper mapped it with 1-2-1-2 (actually this happens from 01:49:161 - ) (this has been brought up by Xexxar but i think i do it again for the sake of relevancy)
And this is fixed now
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12/14 Edit: Forgot to mute sliderends. Changed the code.
Last edited by Fushimi Rio , edited 1 time in total.
Kroytz
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Joined February 2013
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Kroytz

WORSTPOLACKEU wrote:

01:25:161 (1,2,3) -
This actually plays better than the thing Nominator whose name I forgotten mentioned.
Also does he really need to explain the thought behind that? He just said he wants it like that and it plays okay, it should be enough.
Stuff like this is done in many maps, forcing blanket because it looks good and could play differently but it still plays ok.

So it's like, when I think that two things work here it's that changing this could make more sense as an idea of keeping things relatively spaced higher but leaving this as is, is also fine because I know this plays well already. I was fine with changing this as the previous nominator suggested, but now I'm reluctant too now lol.

Anyhow, this plays well because nr 3 is below nr 1 and 2 so the emphasis on nr 2 to jump back down is there.
If he would put it like you mentioned, forward, the stop would become very awkward, you have to stop and then move fast in the same direction
which is a really annoying thing to play, many mappers do not notice the small awkward stops, this small bump upwards makes this comfortable.

On the other hand, I do not understand stuff like 01:46:434 (1,2,1,2) -
If you are to follow the music, how do you map the more intense part later on?
This feels more like a jump training now than actual map, I think even for you Kroytz, this is a little too much, song is very calm compared to the rest
and you do screenjumps instead of making it feel like this actually is a part that is between the intense parts. As I've mentioned before,
these sequential parts are to gradually get more spaced as a means for progression. It's not necessarily trying to say that this is more intense than something that's to come. I also mentioned once before that the following kiai is more intense already due to lack of sliders. Despite the spacing not being relative with the four circles you highlighted, the intensity comes from the idea that everything is click click click and no room to slider anywhere.

01:49:161 (1,2) - This is awkward because you jump further with angle being too
CTRL-G 01:49:298 (2,3) - and 01:49:571 (1,2) - and it is comfortable and gives more emphasis imo Oh, good idea, I changed this one~

AncuL wrote:

on the hardest diff, 01:55:707 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the way on putting NC (and notes) on these sets of notes is a big no for me. this part has a pattern of 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3, not 1-2-1-2-1-2. i believe things similiar to this represents the song better A few people mentioned this and I will agree, I changed this for better reflection.

in a side note, maybe adding NC to every single notes on 01:57:889 (1,2,3,4) - might be better to end the music I don't believe this is necessary.
Thank you everyone!
Everything is updated now~ :)
Anxient
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Sharkie's EXH
00:12:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this stream looks ugly imo. also plays weird since the piano doesnt really change all that much but the angle deviation is really harsh. better to tone it down. its better to keep it simple and do a curve http://puu.sh/yLubQ/1ab228eaed.jpg

00:15:114 (7,8) - maybe start as a kickslider? ya know, just to give 00:15:308 (1) - that extra kick. you NC'd it anyway so might as well? looks better too. hopefully.

00:17:050 (2) - extend the repeat by 1 tick; theres a sound 00:17:340 - here

00:17:921 - same here

00:19:179 (9) - NC maybe?

00:57:616 (5,2) - woah nice overlap man (it isnt, please fix it) try this http://puu.sh/yLuje/e71dbbb319.jpg

01:38:661 - imo its better to add a note here just to make it feel less empty.

01:47:389 (3) - maybe put it in a more visible spot?

01:48:071 (1,2,3) - im sure you have space to align it perfectly. it aint perfect but you get the idea http://puu.sh/yLur4/c4df77c7d8.jpg

thatz it.
Sharkie
343 posts
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Sharkie

Anxient wrote:



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Sharkie's EXH
00:12:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this stream looks ugly imo. also plays weird since the piano doesnt really change all that much but the angle deviation is really harsh. better to tone it down. its better to keep it simple and do a curve http://puu.sh/yLubQ/1ab228eaed.jpg
ok
00:15:114 (7,8) - maybe start as a kickslider? ya know, just to give 00:15:308 (1) - that extra kick. you NC'd it anyway so might as well? looks better too. hopefully.
I didn't use kicksliders anywhere in that section, and I think it's okay as is.

00:17:050 (2) - extend the repeat by 1 tick; theres a sound 00:17:340 - here
I didn't map these because these piano sounds aren't accented unlike other parts. Since this is a regular insane, mapping every single note isn't necessary. 00:17:243 - like here.
00:17:921 - same here

00:19:179 (9) - NC maybe?
ok.
00:57:616 (5,2) - woah nice overlap man (it isnt, please fix it) try this http://puu.sh/yLuje/e71dbbb319.jpg
This overlap is fine. Both the head and tail are visible.
01:38:661 - imo its better to add a note here just to make it feel less empty.
ok
01:47:389 (3) - maybe put it in a more visible spot?
ok
01:48:071 (1,2,3) - im sure you have space to align it perfectly. it aint perfect but you get the idea http://puu.sh/yLur4/c4df77c7d8.jpg
ok
thatz it.
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Title:Preserved Valkyria
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Artist:penoreri
ArtistUnicode:ぺのれり
Creator:Kroytz
Version:Sharkie's EXHAUST
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags:sdvx konami kac song contest champion Renumi Akitoshi pkk Sharkie Zexous Kawashiro Fushimi Rio
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Doormat
2,049 posts
Joined September 2013
Doormat
looks like everything that was discussed post-qualify has been addressed by the mappers, so let's give this another try at ranked~
Mao
Elite Mapper II
2,963 posts
Joined December 2012
Mao
There was no consensus reached between Mir and Kroytz, so you are not allowed to rebubble as you were one of the initial nominators.

Also p/6384097 should be addressed.
igorsprite
623 posts
Joined September 2015
igorsprite
:D
Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
3,089 posts
Joined December 2014
Nao Tomori
mir did not respond to kroytz's response nor did he further provide arguments after kroytz responded. similarly, imouto answered and as such there's no reason for this to be stopped if there isnt any discussion. if you dont like the map, then veto it. don't just let it sit there for no reason and claim discussion didn't happen, this has happened multiple times and is frankly irritating and stupid and pointless. if there should be further discussion, bring up points for it that address kroytz's responses

also ancul was responded to?
Mir
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Mir
https://pastebin.com/6mjnfu9m

Kroytz and I talked and came to an impasse, seems we can't agree on the execution of the symmetry, and how the song doesn't really support the emphasis the symmetry forces on specific notes/patterns.

Also, yeah, it's my bad I should have come back to this. Sorry Doormat. :(

Uh, I think this means you need two other nominators that aren't Doormat and Voli to approve this now...?
Kroytz
703 posts
Joined February 2013
Topic Starter
Kroytz
@Mao: I responded to AncuL o,o

@Mir: Are you making this a veto? Or are you saying we've agreed to disagree with our mapping idealogies and leave it as that?
Mir
osu! Alumni
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Mir
Uh yeah this is essentially a veto. Sorry for the confusion.
pavpab
60 posts
Joined November 2016
pavpab
Rip doormat
AncuL
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AncuL

Kroytz wrote:

@Mao: I responded to AncuL o,o
you responded to me while rio didn't. maybe that caused the problem

anyways i like being important :^)
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding

Renumi
  1. 00:05:050 - I think it's worth mapping this. This is the only strong piano sound you've skipped in the whole intro
  2. 00:32:340 (1) - imho better to delete, takes away emphasis from 00:33:114 (1)
  3. Circle to slider ration is really low. There are quite a lot of places where you could replace sliders with cicles too

Akitoshi
  1. 00:13:760 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - completely repeating the same rhythm doesn't reflect the song
  2. 00:19:953 (1) - delete NC
  3. 01:26:798 (6,7) - whistle on heads
  4. 01:40:980 (2,2) - ^

pkk
  1. 00:14:921 (5) - I recommend using a different rhythm here because the sounds contrast a lot with 00:15:308 (1,2) . Perhaps turn 5 into a 1/2 slider?
  2. 00:28:598 (2,3) - With the way these are structured (1 behind the other) these can be easily misread as double repeat sliders, because of the way you structured all your 1/4 sliders earlier in the section. Same with 01:39:343 (1,2)
  3. 01:05:252 (3) - imho the kickslider comes off as more random than it trying to achieve something. Would you consider a circle?
  4. 01:22:434 (1,2) - deleting these objects would be nice for the player as it would give them nice pause just before the kiai

Sharkie
  1. 01:01:161 (1,2,3,4) - Could you space these out a bit more? Feels really cramped together when playing https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10068004
  2. 01:08:525 (2,3) - subjective but a small jump would be more fun imo
  3. 01:23:798 (3) - This is the only time you've used a kickslider this way, so it feels a bit random

Zexous
  1. 00:28:598 (1) - One slider for all these sounds is a bit anticlimatic as well as hard to predict
  2. 01:07:707 (1) - What do you think about placing this where 01:06:889 (3) is?

Rio
  1. 00:29:243 (1) - Shortening to blue tick would make it easier to snap to
  2. 00:35:437 (3) - ^
  3. 00:40:082 (2) - I don't agree with this being snapped to the yellow tick
  4. 01:04:707 (2) - do you have to stack this underneath? It's really hard to read
  5. 01:12:752 - Why skip this piano sound? same with 01:13:025 . These sounds belong to the main paino melody of your rhythm
  6. 01:18:616 (1) - I don't understand the logic of the double repeat
  7. 01:56:593 (2,3,4,5) - hitsound
  8. 01:58:434 (2) - nice slider

    edit: I think I modded this before so sorry if I repeated stuff. I can't remember what I said

Kroytz
  1. 01:04:980 (1,2,3) - I feel like a stream would be a more climatic way to round off the section
  2. 01:13:025 (1) - Wouldn't it be better to delete this circle? It's not part of the piano melody
  3. 01:48:071 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - just my opinion but listening to the music i feel like these should be mapped as one continuous stream without the kicksliders
[]im dead ~
pkk
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Joined November 2013
pkk

Kisses wrote:

pkk
  1. 00:14:921 (5) - I recommend using a different rhythm here because the sounds contrast a lot with 00:15:308 (1,2) . Perhaps turn 5 into a 1/2 slider?
    I prefer the repeat slider as it matches the piano very nicely
  2. 00:28:598 (2,3) - With the way these are structured (1 behind the other) these can be easily misread as double repeat sliders, because of the way you structured all your 1/4 sliders earlier in the section. Same with 01:39:343 (1,2) I made both of them angled, it should be okay now
  3. 01:05:252 (3) - imho the kickslider comes off as more random than it trying to achieve something. Would you consider a circle? the kickslider is nice because I wanted to emphasize the piano, which is already being emphasized in the music (and it is staccato and I feel that a kickslider is the best way to represent that pew pew)
  4. 01:22:434 (1,2) - deleting these objects would be nice for the player as it would give them nice pause just before the kiai ok sliders are gone
thank
Akitoshi
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Joined August 2014
Akitoshi

Kisses wrote:

Akitoshi
  1. 00:13:760 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - completely repeating the same rhythm doesn't reflect the song
  2. 00:19:953 (1) - delete NC deleted NC on 00:21:502 - instead
  3. 01:26:798 (6,7) - whistle on heads
  4. 01:40:980 (2,2) - ^
no reply = fixed, thanks!

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Sharkie
343 posts
Joined May 2014
Sharkie

Kisses wrote:

Sharkie
  1. 01:01:161 (1,2,3,4) - Could you space these out a bit more? Feels really cramped together when playing https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10068004
    Changed
  2. 01:08:525 (2,3) - subjective but a small jump would be more fun imo
    Changed
  3. 01:23:798 (3) - This is the only time you've used a kickslider this way, so it feels a bit random
    Changed
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Last edited by Sharkie , edited 1 time in total.
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
fixed thx xd
Fushimi Rio
Fushimi Rio

Kisses wrote:

Rio
  1. 01:04:707 (2) - do you have to stack this underneath? It's really hard to read flows better, but I moved it a bit apart
  2. 01:12:752 - Why skip this piano sound? same with 01:13:025 . These sounds belong to the main paino melody of your rhythm there are two tracks of piano and I was just following the higher one

    edit: I think I modded this before so sorry if I repeated stuff. I can't remember what I said
Thanks for modding!

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Zexous
713 posts
Joined July 2012
Zexous

Kisses wrote:

Zexous
  1. 00:28:598 (1) - One slider for all these sounds is a bit anticlimatic as well as hard to predict The sound is repeated in such a way that merits the repeat and I set a precedent for it in that section, moreover it's an odd number of beats so there's no even way to pattern that with more objects in a way I think will play nicely
  2. 01:07:707 (1) - What do you think about placing this where 01:06:889 (3) is? Won't move it to where you said but I do like the idea of moving it, adjusted the other patterns in that section accordingly as well
thanks
also fixed a section that mysteriously had whistles on every object and shouldn't have, maybe hs got copypasted from another diff or something idk

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Kroytz
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Kroytz
Kroytz
01:04:980 (1,2,3) - I feel like a stream would be a more climatic way to round off the section I'll disagree because I think the movement from the 1/3 sliders is more active than how a stream would play. Unless the stream is incredibly spaced but I'd rather have it this way, eases in better to the next section.
01:13:025 (1) - Wouldn't it be better to delete this circle? It's not part of the piano melody I suppose its not but its audible enough to me. When I deleted it, it felt too empty during this pause while faint pianos were going on, so.. I think this should be okay as I have it.
01:48:071 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - just my opinion but listening to the music i feel like these should be mapped as one continuous stream without the kicksliders Rhythmically they're all 1/4s maybe split between quarter beats but my reasoning for separating them like so is to further expand on the symmetry idea. one continuous stream wouldn't be able to achieve that. Also, using the method I did it's more "active" and more climactic for the final kiai (imo at least).

Applied all to Renumi

Everything is updated now :)
_handholding
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_handholding
Lowest diff
  1. 00:09:695 (6,7,8) - use 1.3 DS
  2. 00:10:663 (1) - rhythm suggestion, fits much the piano layer and the diff itself much better imho
  3. 00:50:252 (4) - NC
  4. 00:13:760 (1) - ok so this is the hardest part in the map because of the density. It would be nice to add in a few 1/1 breaks and just over simplification. For example at 00:15:308 (4,5,6) you could transform it to this https://i.imgur.com/MnxPzZE.png . Also you could delete circles which aren't 100% necessary to the rhythm such as 00:18:985 (2,4) etc, etc. basically the kiai uses constant 1/1 at 220 and here uses constant 1/2 at 155 bpm. I hope you can see what I'm getting at
  5. 00:56:798 (1) - ok for this section I really can't feel your following anything particular distinctive in the song. Perhaps follow the piano rhythm with some like this https://i.imgur.com/myDypRo.png . You don't have to worry about polarity and all that, when the rhythm follows the song naturally then it becomes pretty intuitive to play
Aki
01:23:798 (1) - Is there a special reason for this NC? If not then deleterino
[]Reply and I'll post later my reasoning for my upheaval of the veto
Kroytz
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Topic Starter
Kroytz
00:09:695 (6,7,8) - use 1.3 DS Fixed
00:10:663 (1) - rhythm suggestion, fits much the piano layer and the diff itself much better imho Idk about the rhythm suggestion here? I think Renumi had a clear idea with the long slider being like a "finishing" part for this
00:50:252 (4) - NC Fixed
00:13:760 (1) - ok so this is the hardest part in the map because of the density. It would be nice to add in a few 1/1 breaks and just over simplification. For example at 00:15:308 (4,5,6) you could transform it to this https://i.imgur.com/MnxPzZE.png . Also you could delete circles which aren't 100% necessary to the rhythm such as 00:18:985 (2,4) etc, etc. basically the kiai uses constant 1/1 at 220 and here uses constant 1/2 at 155 bpm. I hope you can see what I'm getting at Yeah, deleted all the extra circles and rearranged some stuff.
00:56:798 (1) - ok for this section I really can't feel your following anything particular distinctive in the song. Perhaps follow the piano rhythm with some like this https://i.imgur.com/myDypRo.png . You don't have to worry about polarity and all that, when the rhythm follows the song naturally then it becomes pretty intuitive to play If it's any consolation there was a hitsounding error in this that I fixed xD I believe whats being followed is the sliders are hitting drums, that's about it
_handholding
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_handholding
Sorry i forgot to post my suggestion for 00:10:663 (1) https://i.imgur.com/yZkAzXk.png
Kroytz
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Kroytz
updated stuff that kisses already saw
_handholding
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_handholding
In regards to Mir's veto
I don't see the veto as being absolute objective, rather a slightly subjective view of him not seeing it fit the song. I don't believe the use of symmetry to be unfitting and unjust for such a song. Symmetry is just a style of mapping (just like hexigrid, blanketing etc) and the way the map uses elements under this style fits the song imho.

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1. Sounds of more intensity have increased spacing
example 01:36:207 (2,3,1) and 01:37:298 (2,3,1)

2. It has different object density in places where there are differences of the rhythm's intensity
01:30:616 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) and 00:45:502 (1,2,3,4,5)

3. There are contrastring patterns where the song changes significantly (or even minorly)
example 00:48:071 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) compared to 00:49:707 (1,2,1,2) - In this case the flow and structure of the 2 patterns are different

4. Patterns of similar structure where the music is similar
example 00:48:071 (1,2,3,1,2,3) compared to 00:48:889 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - In this case the flow and structure and the same

Another thing I will add on top of this is that the patterns that in are symmetry are of similar sounds in the song itself. For example 01:20:798 (1,2) and 01:22:980 (1,2,1,2) . Which highlights the fact that the use of symmetry was just a use of mapping style to go about to structure a few patterns here and there
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I can imagine that this isn't hard to spot and some people would even be thinking "well duh", but this is part of the point. The map adheres to many principles of mapping such as spacing emphasis, rhythm density, contrast etc. Given all this I don't see the style for it to be mapped under to be considered a flaw.

One thing I also believe is that there is a target audience for this kind of map and they would be given much enjoyment from it. Deeming that there is an audience for this map and that there is quality to it, I believe it isn't inappropriate to push this forward pass the veto.

As I am overwriting the veto doormat should be free to qualify in 24 hrs ~
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Left
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Left
Kroytz's highest difficulty is always the worst extra diff in his set without exception.

that meaningless symmetry, copypaste abuse but overly hard snakes and pacific jumps
sigh



*lemme leave one suggestion, how about showing specific rhythm with NC? this song contains so many rhythm snaps, itself quite heavy to depend on user's readability.
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Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
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Nao Tomori
ouch

cant say i disagree on this map specifically though
_handholding
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_handholding
ouch indeed xd

I hope ppl will praise my cute avatar 😊😊😊
bmax
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Left wrote:

that meaningless symmetry, copypaste abuse but overly hard snakes and pacific jumps
what the heck is a pacific jump
Kawashiro
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Joined April 2012
Kawashiro

Cocoa Hoto wrote:

what the heck is a pacific jump
"Kroytz spacing" lol
Left
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Left


sorry im so bad at english xddd
jeanbernard8865
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jeanbernard8865
kisses your avatar is cute
Nyxa
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Nyxa
kisses your avatar is gay
AncuL
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AncuL
when a person is vetoing aren't they the only one able to overwrite the veto ?_?

i think this is the case in a map lith was vetoing
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