19.47 pingal1ty: hey CXu, are you around?
20.11 CXu: yes
20.13 pingal1ty: hey
20.13 pingal1ty: would you like to do a quick mod to my map? its only 1min length
20.15 CXu: I can take a quick look, but don't really have the motivation to do a mod right no
20.15 CXu: w
20.16 pingal1ty: well, whatever does help I guess
20.16 *pingal1ty is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1365129 Bubble Bobble Arcade OST - Hurry Up!]
20.16 pingal1ty: only insane diff
20.17 CXu: try avoiding copy pasting too much.
20.18 CXu: 00:10:337 (2) - should probably end at 00:10:424 -
20.19 pingal1ty: hmmmm that sound in reality
20.20 pingal1ty: its a double in 1/8
20.20 pingal1ty: and I didn't want to put the double, too annoying
20.21 CXu: no it's 1/4
20.21 pingal1ty: nope, listen at 25%
20.21 CXu: I did
20.21 CXu: it's 1/4
20.22 pingal1ty: ah no you're right
20.22 CXu: 00:00:868 (4) - this part is 1/8
20.22 pingal1ty: sorry the 1/8 is here 00:00:876 (4) -
20.22 CXu: yeah :p
20.23 pingal1ty: ok now I remember why I did it like that
20.23 CXu: 00:10:687 - btw, your stars here don't fit too well with how the song is going, since the song is divided into 4 beats, you should create patterns that are in 4s as well. you do it 00:22:074 - here
20.23 pingal1ty: 00:10:337 (2) -
20.23 pingal1ty: if I put 2 circles, its too much dense singletapping
20.23 pingal1ty: that's why I chose a slider
20.24 pingal1ty: and then making the slider too short wasn't looking good
20.24 pingal1ty: Yes, the star pattern... I remade that part like 10 times already :\
20.24 CXu: but you use 1/4's 00:07:533 (8,9) - here, so it's not any faster than that
20.24 pingal1ty: I know its groups of 4 beats
20.24 pingal1ty: I could just NC at #5 of each and that's it
20.25 CXu: no, the other problem is that the song is fairly different on each of those 4 note sections in terms of how it sounds, so you should reflect that somehow
20.25 CXu: the 2nd time you did small spacing -> big spacing
20.25 CXu: which is better than constant spacing
20.26 pingal1ty: ok so I should keep the first star
20.27 pingal1ty: because it does really 5 beats there
20.27 pingal1ty: and then just remake the whole 4/4 area
20.27 pingal1ty: into something different
20.27 pingal1ty: right?
20.27 CXu: somethig like that, gimme a sec need to fix some stuff in my map xd
20.28 pingal1ty: kay
21.05 CXu:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/125176921.05 CXu: :d
21.18 pingal1ty: oh wow
21.18 pingal1ty: qualified
21.18 pingal1ty: you made it!
21.20 *pingal1ty is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1251769 BL-Records - Midway Colors [Urakaze]] -NoFail
21.20 pingal1ty: xD
21.27 pingal1ty: wow
21.27 pingal1ty: that killed my arm
21.28 pingal1ty: good one tho
21.31 CXu: xd
21.32 pingal1ty: I got a D rank
21.32 pingal1ty: XD
21.34 CXu: 00:22:074 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - hwne making patterns like this try to avoid making the overlap kinda randomly. If you look
http://i.imgur.com/zhijt1A.png you can see that the small spacing notes are overlapping to various degrees the notes in the high spacing part
21.34 CXu: keep the overlapping consistent, or don't overlap at all
21.34 CXu: otherwise the map looks sloppy
21.36 CXu: turn off hit animations under "view" if you have it on
21.36 CXu: makes it easier to see where you've already placed notes previously and making your patterns work together
21.41 pingal1ty: I've that option off already
21.41 pingal1ty: hmm the thing with the overlap
21.41 pingal1ty: let me see...
21.42 pingal1ty: see it like this
21.42 pingal1ty: 00:22:074 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
21.43 pingal1ty: I just created 2 circles, one internal and one external
21.43 pingal1ty: its the same thing but just used ctrl shift S
21.43 pingal1ty: then arranged it in the way that 1 half circle goes into the other half circle rinse and repeat
21.43 CXu: it's not really noticeable while you're playing though
21.44 pingal1ty: also I did ctrl shift R if I don't remember bad
21.44 CXu: but yeah, look at how 00:22:074 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - and 00:23:475 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - looks very different from each other
21.45 CXu: just picked a random map, but look at how the overlaps hre
http://i.imgur.com/ts3PDJg.png are very similar in spacing
21.45 pingal1ty: and what can I do about it
21.46 CXu:
http://i.imgur.com/5rZgm73.png21.46 CXu:
http://i.imgur.com/lECQPsH.png21.46 CXu:
http://i.imgur.com/v4xtDLo.png21.46 CXu: being deliberate in how you place notes in relation to each other makes the map look much cleaner
21.46 CXu: well
21.47 CXu:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8673753 why not just this
21.48 CXu:
http://i.imgur.com/xMolgGa.png21.48 pingal1ty: well that's how it was in the beginning but I was trying to avoid making it like that
21.48 pingal1ty: so it would be fine?
21.49 CXu: why wouldn't it be fine?
21.49 pingal1ty: idk
21.49 pingal1ty: while I played I didn't like something
21.50 pingal1ty: 00:23:300 (4,1) -
21.50 pingal1ty: the spacing is still nice
21.50 pingal1ty: if I rerotate to original position
21.50 pingal1ty: 4 and 1 were overlapping or too close to each other
21.50 pingal1ty: and destroyed the experience
21.50 pingal1ty: how you fixed so fast btw?
21.51 pingal1ty: I wanna try the way you say, tell me what you did
21.53 CXu:
https://puu.sh/wS1Ji.mp421.53 pingal1ty: how the hell you get that shape on top of the other so perfect
?
21.54 pingal1ty: oh ok interesting
21.55 pingal1ty: I worked with the smallest circle
21.55 pingal1ty: and then by copy/pasting like you did
21.55 pingal1ty: I made the outercircle
21.55 pingal1ty: by resizing just like you did
21.55 pingal1ty: but it looks like doing the same process from bigger to smaller has better result? o_O
21.56 CXu: you probably didn't use selelection center
21.56 CXu: during scaling
21.57 pingal1ty: I used selection center
21.57 pingal1ty: but maybe you are right and forgot it that time
21.57 pingal1ty: all I know is I had to rotate blablabla
21.57 pingal1ty: the outercircle was rotated
21.57 pingal1ty: like 45 degree or so
21.57 pingal1ty: I don't remember exact now
21.57 pingal1ty: :C
21.58 pingal1ty: also
21.58 CXu: well the fact that the two weren
21.58 pingal1ty: I feel like this
21.58 pingal1ty: 00:24:176 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
21.58 CXu: t inside each other exactly
21.58 pingal1ty: was a good idea but then when I play it I feel it isn't
21.58 CXu: probably means you didn't use selection center
21.58 pingal1ty: what do you think about it?
21.58 CXu: well I can't play anything right now
21.58 CXu: not at home
21.58 pingal1ty: yep, I might made a mistake.
21.58 CXu: but in general if you feel it doesn't play right, just reconsider if the pattern is good or not
21.58 CXu: try out other patterns
21.58 CXu: stuff like that
21.59 pingal1ty: well I mean its just the pattern change ....
21.59 pingal1ty: no need you play it :X
21.59 CXu: also pishi made a video about workflow and a video of himself mapping
21.59 pingal1ty: I watched it yesterday
21.59 pingal1ty: xD
21.59 CXu: both?
21.59 pingal1ty: I watched his whole channel
21.59 pingal1ty: both?
21.59 pingal1ty: he made two yesterday?
22.00 CXu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqAZlqJW9g22.00 CXu: might be useful maybe
22.00 CXu: idk I haent watched the whole thing
22.00 CXu: xd
22.01 pingal1ty: oh wow I didn't had the link to that one
22.01 pingal1ty: that's almost 2 hours of mapping lol
22.01 CXu: he linked it in the description
22.02 pingal1ty: well will have a look later I guess when relax time....
22.02 pingal1ty: just tell me if the idea
22.02 pingal1ty: innercircle -> outercircle = good but what happen when I suddenly outercircle -> outercircle again, I thought it was good idea but playing it I found a bit too intense, its k or I should keep the same stuff innter->outer the whole pattern duration?
22.03 CXu: you shouldn't change the pattern like that
22.03 CXu: keep it inner -> outer or outer -> inner, don't mix them
22.03 CXu: because the song isn't changing the order of the instruments
22.03 CXu: you shouldn't change the order of the patterns either
22.03 pingal1ty: ok going to change that then
22.03 pingal1ty: ^^
22.05 pingal1ty: its very far from being ranked, right?
22.06 CXu: probably yeah :p
22.06 CXu: you also copy pasted a lot, and it's generally not too good to do that, esp. in such a short song
22.07 CXu: having to map the same bit of the song but in different ways for the map could also be good practice to coming up with more patterns and whatnot
22.07 pingal1ty: yeah my friend got his first ranked map few days ago.... and I always look what he does and stuff, the difference between how he map and how I do is like hell and heaven
22.07 CXu: xd
22.07 CXu: well
22.08 CXu: just keep on mapping I guess
22.08 CXu: also don't get stuck trying to improve one map all the time, try mapping other songs
22.08 CXu: because you already have a foundation when you try to improve maps, you might end up never really getting anywhere because you're stuck with improving something that really should be remapped
22.10 pingal1ty: you told me last time we talked =))
22.10 pingal1ty: I want to mod this one a bit tho and see
22.10 pingal1ty: but short song is ideal for now I guess
22.10 pingal1ty: later will probably jump onto another thing, haven't thought what still
22.11 CXu: yeah I dont remember what things I said last time ad what I didnt xd
22.11 pingal1ty: also I think I have problem on the bpm but unsure
22.11 CXu: bpm sounded right
22.11 pingal1ty: but there's some part where it feels off
22.12 pingal1ty: could it be that the bpm is wrong on 171,25
22.12 pingal1ty: that in reality is like 170 but at some part goes to 172 or 175 or something
22.12 CXu: try 171
22.12 pingal1ty: no :<
22.12 pingal1ty: I tried already
22.12 pingal1ty: with 171,15 (bpm analizer)
22.12 pingal1ty: then I tried 171
22.12 pingal1ty: 171,50
22.12 pingal1ty: blablabla
22.12 CXu: well what part
22.12 CXu: did you feel wasoff?
22.13 pingal1ty: made like copy/paste map on different bpm setting and no.. it plays best at 171,25
22.13 pingal1ty: but still feels off something
22.13 pingal1ty: I think the innercircle->outer is off
22.14 CXu: sounds right to me
22.14 pingal1ty: just basically
22.14 pingal1ty: during kiai
22.14 pingal1ty: during kiai feels like off
22.18 pingal1ty: I'm not even sure anymore
22.18 pingal1ty: perhaps its because of bad mapping quality xD
22.18 CXu: idk sounds fine for me
22.20 pingal1ty: well then its probably fine
22.22 pingal1ty: well I guess that's it for today
22.22 pingal1ty: do you want to savelog and post for a cookie?
22.23 CXu: uh sure why not xd