2017-08-19 00:20 BOUYAAA: yo
2017-08-19 00:20 BOUYAAA: are you gonna respond to my post
2017-08-19 00:39 Voli: I don't get whats there to reply about? I read your post but I still don't see a reason to change the map, your interest seems more in arguing/taking the map down than helping me with it either way, your entire mod revolves around forcing some kind of 100% consistency concept onto a map that wasn't even made with that in its design in the first place
2017-08-19 00:40 Voli: and seeing your initial approach too, it's kinda =.= you know
2017-08-19 00:41 BOUYAAA: My entire mod is about rythm
2017-08-19 00:41 BOUYAAA: 100%
2017-08-19 00:41 BOUYAAA: idk man
2017-08-19 00:42 Voli: like from my mod response it seems pretty obvious i don't want to apply those ideas because they don't correlate with what i wanted the map tobe
2017-08-19 00:42 BOUYAAA: if you're confident about what you did i'd assue you would have no isse proving me wrong
2017-08-19 00:42 Voli: and then you write another reply replying to each of my mod reply points
2017-08-19 00:42 Voli: i could write another essay but what's the point besides just arguing
2017-08-19 00:42 Voli: at this point
2017-08-19 00:42 BOUYAAA: Well I can't figure that out if the only response i get is unrelated to what i said in the first place
2017-08-19 00:43 BOUYAAA: idk
2017-08-19 00:43 BOUYAAA: i though modding was about giving opinions with the idea of improving it
2017-08-19 00:43 Voli: yes, it is
2017-08-19 00:43 BOUYAAA: maybe i'm wrong
2017-08-19 00:43 Voli: no it definitely is lol
2017-08-19 00:44 Voli: but well
2017-08-19 00:44 Voli: there are a lot of things to be said from different perspectives on every map
2017-08-19 00:44 BOUYAAA: if you can explaion me why you did things a certain way i'd be totally fine with it
2017-08-19 00:44 BOUYAAA: when you justify every point on normal
2017-08-19 00:44 BOUYAAA: with simplification
2017-08-19 00:45 BOUYAAA: when nothing i said implied any kind of density change
2017-08-19 00:45 Voli: so thats why, when i give you a reply to your mod saying that i dont want to apply those ideas why do you keep trying to force it lol
2017-08-19 00:45 Voli: it just makes me think you're more interested in just taking it down
2017-08-19 00:45 BOUYAAA: Why would you think that
2017-08-19 00:45 BOUYAAA: i have NOTHING against you
2017-08-19 00:45 Voli: because you initially approached me very aggressively
2017-08-19 00:46 Voli: lol
2017-08-19 00:46 BOUYAAA: I was pissed
2017-08-19 00:46 BOUYAAA: for several other reasons
2017-08-19 00:46 BOUYAAA: i thought i already apologised
2017-08-19 00:46 Voli: yea you were pissed and from that state of emotion you decided to mod my map in qualified
2017-08-19 00:46 Voli: can't you see the relation lol
2017-08-19 00:46 BOUYAAA: This just feels like that "all no change" meme
2017-08-19 00:46 Voli: its not that weird that i didnt really get your message
2017-08-19 00:46 BOUYAAA: i was gonna mod it anyways
2017-08-19 00:46 BOUYAAA: pissed or not
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: i taked with several people about your map
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: we kinda agreed it had issues
2017-08-19 00:47 Voli: who
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: bonsai
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: exote
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: rohit
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: w/e
2017-08-19 00:47 BOUYAAA: why does it matter
2017-08-19 00:48 BOUYAAA: I know i should have handled it better
2017-08-19 00:48 BOUYAAA: and that's 100% my bad
2017-08-19 00:48 Voli: its just a persuasion thing you know
2017-08-19 00:48 Voli: if you approach me like
2017-08-19 00:48 BOUYAAA: but the fact that you decide to completely ignore what i said is bleh
2017-08-19 00:48 Voli: ''HELLO WTF IS THIS JOKE WTF IS THIS SHIT''
2017-08-19 00:49 Voli: instead of ''yo i think this could potentially be better''
2017-08-19 00:49 BOUYAAA: I know
2017-08-19 00:49 Voli: well i didn't ignore what you said? lol
2017-08-19 00:49 Voli: i replied to all of your points
2017-08-19 00:49 BOUYAAA: i'm sorry about that
2017-08-19 00:49 BOUYAAA: I'm usually pretty calm and this time you got my bad mood
2017-08-19 00:50 BOUYAAA: I was not gonna ask for a DQ or anything
2017-08-19 00:50 Voli: well it's the first time i interacted with you
2017-08-19 00:50 Voli: XD
2017-08-19 00:50 Voli: but
2017-08-19 00:50 Voli: im looking through your post again now
2017-08-19 00:50 Voli: and well
2017-08-19 00:51 BOUYAAA: If you had responded with a red wall explaining your ideas i'd be happy
2017-08-19 00:51 Voli: i still don't see how applying these would better my map
2017-08-19 00:52 BOUYAAA: :/
2017-08-19 00:52 Voli: in your first point you nitpick a few patterns across the entire map and you say
2017-08-19 00:52 Voli: ''well why arent they EXACTLY the same''
2017-08-19 00:52 BOUYAAA: ignore first point
2017-08-19 00:52 BOUYAAA: it's unimportant
2017-08-19 00:56 Voli: your second point focuses on something that i already explained
2017-08-19 00:56 Voli: i already said that i'm switching between lines rather than just
2017-08-19 00:56 Voli: mapping to ONLY vocals
2017-08-19 00:57 Voli: when theres a long vocal i switch to drums because otherwise i'd just have to use super extended sliders all the time which would make the rhythm bland
2017-08-19 00:57 Voli: i dont know what else you want XD
2017-08-19 00:57 BOUYAAA: but i mean
2017-08-19 00:57 BOUYAAA: whi not at least make it clickable
2017-08-19 00:57 Voli: just because we have different concepts in mind it doesn't mean either one of them is 100% right or the true way to mapping
2017-08-19 00:57 BOUYAAA: i'm not saying that
2017-08-19 00:58 BOUYAAA: i'm saying things could be better
2017-08-19 00:58 Voli: because making the blue tick vocal clickable there would conflict with the drum line afterwards
2017-08-19 00:58 Voli: it would worsen the playability
2017-08-19 00:58 Voli: yeah but im saying i did those things with an intent
2017-08-19 00:58 Voli: that i already explained
2017-08-19 00:59 Voli: if they were mistakes then sure thing
2017-08-19 00:59 Voli: i'll give you that
2017-08-19 00:59 BOUYAAA: http://puu.sh/xdDRu/972062eaa4.jpg
2017-08-19 00:59 BOUYAAA: idk man
2017-08-19 01:00 Voli: whats that
2017-08-19 01:00 Voli: the screenshot
2017-08-19 01:00 BOUYAAA: nothing 
2017-08-19 01:00 BOUYAAA: ignore
2017-08-19 01:00 Voli: o
2017-08-19 01:02 Voli: i just don't see how making the odd blue vocal clickable is ''better'' than how i mapped it currently
2017-08-19 01:02 BOUYAAA: Because you continue aknowledging the layer you focused on previously
2017-08-19 01:02 Voli: because from my pov this rhythm is way better to the player
2017-08-19 01:02 BOUYAAA: it makes things less wat to play
2017-08-19 01:03 BOUYAAA: the way you put objects down changes how a player listens to the song
2017-08-19 01:03 BOUYAAA: take it that way
2017-08-19 01:03 BOUYAAA: if you map 100% vocals the player will forget underlying drum patterns or at least not focus on them
2017-08-19 01:03 BOUYAAA: the other way around
2017-08-19 01:03 BOUYAAA: if you map 100% drums
2017-08-19 01:03 Voli: but the entire map hasnt been 100% vocals
2017-08-19 01:03 BOUYAAA: the player will focus on drum patterns
2017-08-19 01:04 Voli: i never map 100% to one instrument
2017-08-19 01:04 BOUYAAA: your shorus starts by ignoring stuff to map vocals
2017-08-19 01:04 Voli: man this reminds me of doyak modding my map to say
2017-08-19 01:04 Voli: ''you should follow the same instrumental line over the ENTIRE map''
2017-08-19 01:04 Voli: i really cant agree with that philosophy
2017-08-19 01:04 BOUYAAA: I never said that
2017-08-19 01:04 Voli: its not a random change in instrument lines
2017-08-19 01:04 BOUYAAA: i said please aknowledge the strongest vocal in the whole song
2017-08-19 01:04 Voli: its consistently everytime on that blue tick vocal
2017-08-19 01:05 Voli: which is pretty logical
2017-08-19 01:05 BOUYAAA: if i consistently map offbeat if doesn't make my map good
2017-08-19 01:05 Voli: well that entirely depends on context XD
2017-08-19 01:06 BOUYAAA: Do you agree that this vocal is strong tho
2017-08-19 01:06 Voli: 01:03:745 -  this?
2017-08-19 01:06 BOUYAAA: 00:51:374 - 
2017-08-19 01:07 BOUYAAA: and yea the other one too
2017-08-19 01:08 Voli: https://voli.s-ul.eu/k3MYgPkk.png
2017-08-19 01:08 Voli: you'd want me to follow something like this
2017-08-19 01:08 Voli: right
2017-08-19 01:08 BOUYAAA:  http://puu.sh/xdEeG/afa32c4651.jpg
2017-08-19 01:08 Voli: and well the vocal is as strong as the rest of those vocals
2017-08-19 01:09 BOUYAAA: or this if you really want to emphasize drums
2017-08-19 01:09 Voli: but since it starts on an odd beat (blue) i really dont see why it HAS to be clickable
2017-08-19 01:09 Voli: it is not consistent with the rest of those vocal rhythms
2017-08-19 01:10 BOUYAAA: but why make it consistent if the song isn't
2017-08-19 01:10 Voli: and it's not like the vocal is completely ignored
2017-08-19 01:10 Voli: since there's still an object on it
2017-08-19 01:10 Voli: just not a clickable one
2017-08-19 01:10 BOUYAAA: i mean that's the whole point
2017-08-19 01:10 BOUYAAA: if every other vocal is mapped with active hitobjects
2017-08-19 01:10 BOUYAAA: why map this one passive
2017-08-19 01:11 BOUYAAA: passive objects don't do anything for the player
2017-08-19 01:11 BOUYAAA: all a slider body and slider and do is direct the player's cursor
2017-08-19 01:11 BOUYAAA: it adds nothing to rythm
2017-08-19 01:12 Voli: wut
2017-08-19 01:12 Voli: they don't do anything for the player lol?
2017-08-19 01:12 Voli: why do sliderends exist then even
2017-08-19 01:12 Voli: and why can you hitsound them
2017-08-19 01:12 BOUYAAA: well explain me
2017-08-19 01:12 BOUYAAA: what does it do
2017-08-19 01:12 Voli: it's a gameplay object
2017-08-19 01:13 BOUYAAA: do you do anything with it tho
2017-08-19 01:13 Voli: well you follow the slider through
2017-08-19 01:13 BOUYAAA: because when i see players play they don't even follow the slider to the end
2017-08-19 01:13 BOUYAAA: they exit it midway because of slider liniency and put their cursor on the next object
2017-08-19 01:14 Voli: 00:23:075 (3) -
2017-08-19 01:14 Voli: so by your logic this is wrong as well
2017-08-19 01:14 Voli: because
2017-08-19 01:15 Voli: the repeat isn't clickablke
2017-08-19 01:15 BOUYAAA: i'm ok with that because
2017-08-19 01:15 Voli: while the other vocals are clickable there
2017-08-19 01:15 BOUYAAA: you focus on bass sounds mainly
2017-08-19 01:15 Voli: 00:24:003 (3) -  and the end of this isnt either
2017-08-19 01:15 Voli: 00:26:787 (3) -
2017-08-19 01:15 BOUYAAA: so the bass sound is clickable
2017-08-19 01:15 Voli: and this isnt eitrher
2017-08-19 01:15 Voli: i follow both bass and vocals
2017-08-19 01:16 BOUYAAA: whatever follow your bass concept is fine
2017-08-19 01:16 Voli: besides
2017-08-19 01:16 Voli: 00:51:529 (5) -
2017-08-19 01:16 Voli: these sliders do follow the hold sound on the vocal
2017-08-19 01:16 Voli: just the initial vocal isnt clickable and its rather muffled under the other vocal either way
2017-08-19 01:16 BOUYAAA: yea they do indeed
2017-08-19 01:17 BOUYAAA: to me this is the most important vocal if the song
2017-08-19 01:17 BOUYAAA: this is what makes paid my dues
2017-08-19 01:17 Voli: what
2017-08-19 01:17 Voli: to me it's ''i paid my dues''
2017-08-19 01:17 Voli: lol
2017-08-19 01:18 BOUYAAA: i ment the song title xd
2017-08-19 01:18 Voli: omg
2017-08-19 01:18 Voli: do you have the bn test map
2017-08-19 01:18 BOUYAAA: i don't
2017-08-19 01:18 Voli: i didnt even notice it tbh but even in that map they follow the same rhythm as i do
2017-08-19 01:18 Voli: not  that it validates my rhythm
2017-08-19 01:18 Voli: but
2017-08-19 01:18 Voli: it's still a mapper choice lol
2017-08-19 01:19 Voli: are you seriously not familiar with instrument line changes on odd beats?
2017-08-19 01:19 BOUYAAA: maybe it is
2017-08-19 01:19 Voli: i really think it's a perfectly fine concept
2017-08-19 01:19 Voli: and its not some mistake that i accidentally made
2017-08-19 01:20 BOUYAAA: i mean if mods were only about mistakes every map following rc would be ranked
2017-08-19 01:20 BOUYAAA: but doesn't matter
2017-08-19 01:20 Voli: yeah obviously
2017-08-19 01:20 BOUYAAA: maybe it's just different opinions after all
2017-08-19 01:21 Voli: but well these are just two different concept
2017-08-19 01:21 Voli: concepts
2017-08-19 01:21 Voli: that we're comparing to each other
2017-08-19 01:21 Voli: i see both of them frequently
2017-08-19 01:21 BOUYAAA: to me a concept is something you build your map around
2017-08-19 01:22 Voli: yea, a main concept
2017-08-19 01:22 Voli: like the 1/8 holds in my map
2017-08-19 01:23 Voli: i mean concept as in a mapper's choice in how to map a rhythm
2017-08-19 01:23 Voli: in this sentence
2017-08-19 01:24 BOUYAAA: ye
2017-08-19 01:24 Voli: can i ask btw
2017-08-19 01:24 Voli: like
2017-08-19 01:24 Voli: whats your deal with this map anyways? im just curious
2017-08-19 01:24 Voli: but why are you hyperfocusing on it so much
2017-08-19 01:24 Voli: do you hate it that much or
2017-08-19 01:24 BOUYAAA: I only looked at it because i liked the song
2017-08-19 01:25 Voli: ah i see
2017-08-19 01:25 BOUYAAA: stop thinking i have something against you
2017-08-19 01:25 BOUYAAA: it's not the case
2017-08-19 01:26 Voli: no, i was just curious lol
2017-08-19 01:26 Voli: since usually these kinda n-h sets just get ignored by everyone
2017-08-19 01:26 Voli: which i think is dumb
2017-08-19 01:26 BOUYAAA: i know it probably felt weird
2017-08-19 01:27 Voli: well i dont think its bad to give sets like this attention too
2017-08-19 01:27 Voli: but i was just curious what motivated you
2017-08-19 01:27 Voli: but yea you liked the song
2017-08-19 01:28 BOUYAAA: i usually like old song like this one
2017-08-19 01:28 BOUYAAA: I blame my parents
2017-08-19 01:28 Voli: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1211561 Boney M - Daddy Cool]
2017-08-19 01:28 Voli: lol
2017-08-19 01:28 Voli: way older tbh
2017-08-19 01:28 BOUYAAA: yea I know about that map lol
2017-08-19 01:29 Voli: if you dont mind
2017-08-19 01:29 Voli: do you wanna look at something in this map?
2017-08-19 01:29 Voli: just because i wanna see if you think the same about how i mapped vocal rhythms here
2017-08-19 01:30 Voli: 00:46:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -
2017-08-19 01:30 Voli: i did the same thing here (mixing up vocals and drums in a (imo) comprehensible pattern)
2017-08-19 01:31 BOUYAAA: well
2017-08-19 01:31 Voli: so i wonder if its just my mapping style that conflicts with your views
2017-08-19 01:31 BOUYAAA: maybe it is lol
2017-08-19 01:31 BOUYAAA: 00:46:300 (1) -  should definately be clickable imo
2017-08-19 01:31 BOUYAAA: the end i mean
2017-08-19 01:31 Voli: yea i thought you'd say that
2017-08-19 01:31 BOUYAAA: the rest is ok for me
2017-08-19 01:32 Voli: 00:50:610 (3) -
2017-08-19 01:32 Voli: basically i treat slider ends on vocals that are of similar/lower strength than the previous vocal the same as slider starts
2017-08-19 01:32 Voli: if there is another instrument line involved
2017-08-19 01:33 BOUYAAA: 00:50:610 (3) - this one is fine with me seeing they're kinda connected
2017-08-19 01:34 Voli: mhm
2017-08-19 01:34 BOUYAAA: btw why did you separate those 00:59:035 (4,5) - 
2017-08-19 01:34 BOUYAAA: oh right bg synth
2017-08-19 01:34 BOUYAAA: nvm
2017-08-19 01:35 Voli: im thinking about it
2017-08-19 01:35 Voli: 01:02:875 (5,6) -  since these are separated too
2017-08-19 01:36 Voli: but this was mapped kinda long ago so i'm thinking about why i chose those rhythms
2017-08-19 01:36 BOUYAAA: well you do those 1/4 sliders when there is that background synth
2017-08-19 01:36 Voli: yea seems like synth+direction change
2017-08-19 01:36 Voli: on the ''cool'' vocal
2017-08-19 01:37 Voli: that both should be clickable
2017-08-19 01:37 Voli: 00:57:835 (1) -  but where i would def agree with you is this one
2017-08-19 01:37 BOUYAAA: yea
2017-08-19 01:37 Voli: since the entire pattern is focused on vocals and yet the second one is just ignored
2017-08-19 01:37 Voli: idk why i did that
2017-08-19 01:38 BOUYAAA: (i mean you kinda do that on paid my dues too xd)
2017-08-19 01:38 Voli: well but there the vocal was consistently on another beat than all the previous vocals, and there was a drum line involved
2017-08-19 01:39 BOUYAAA: i guess yea

2017-08-20 04:01 Naxess: o sup
2017-08-20 04:01 Naxess: uh so bouyaaa just sort of threw me into the whole thing lol
2017-08-20 04:01 Naxess: Wasn't planning to do any wallmod or anything
2017-08-20 04:02 Voli: LOL
2017-08-20 04:02 Naxess: Basically just thought that since the vocals happen on 00:51:374 - , which is different from how 00:49:673 (1,2,3) - were done
2017-08-20 04:02 Voli: yeah well any opinion is valued atm since my map was kinda rush-dq'd even though i stated already that i disagree with the concerns
2017-08-20 04:02 Naxess: You could make that part clickable, to show that it's different
2017-08-20 04:03 Naxess: anyway I suggested this thing to bouyaaa https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/jr0CkTK.jpg
2017-08-20 04:03 Naxess: which he said he had already suggested to you xd
2017-08-20 04:03 Voli: yeah he did
2017-08-20 04:03 Naxess: basically logic I was using here is that
2017-08-20 04:03 Naxess: 00:50:756 - has nothing
2017-08-20 04:04 Naxess: 00:51:220 - has something
2017-08-20 04:04 Naxess: and since the gap between 00:50:601 - and 00:51:065 - is longer than 00:51:065 -  to 00:51:374 - , you could reflect that through the slider length
2017-08-20 04:04 Voli: i just think that rhythm feels overloaded
2017-08-20 04:04 Naxess: This way you still switch instrumental layer, and allow that difference to be highlighted more
2017-08-20 04:04 Voli: 00:51:065 (4) -  will have a sliderend and a slider jump and THEN switch instrumental lines
2017-08-20 04:05 Naxess: hm I see
2017-08-20 04:05 Naxess: What if
2017-08-20 04:05 Naxess: You stacked the circle under the tail of the 1/4 slider
2017-08-20 04:05 Voli: while my rhythm allows for way more time and clarity to see when i switch instrument lines
2017-08-20 04:05 Voli: and plays less jarring imo
2017-08-20 04:05 Naxess: Yeah that's true
2017-08-20 04:05 Naxess: I wonder how the hard looks like
2017-08-20 04:05 Voli: and thats basically how i always divide my rhythms
2017-08-20 04:05 Voli: the hard is a gd
2017-08-20 04:06 Voli: but you can still compare it yea
2017-08-20 04:06 Naxess: ye since it sort of goes into your diff spread-wise
2017-08-20 04:06 Naxess: hm seems like it's all the same almost
2017-08-20 04:06 Voli: that last vocal in the hard also goes on a sliderend
2017-08-20 04:06 Voli: and then a circle for the drum
2017-08-20 04:07 Naxess: Mhm, you have the ability to make it more elaborate actually
2017-08-20 04:07 Naxess: Considering that hard already uses this kind of rhythm
2017-08-20 04:07 Voli: i basically always switch instrument lines when theres an unexpected change in the rhythm that'd negatively impact how the map plays
2017-08-20 04:07 Voli: i don't think its an odd or wrong thing to do tbh
2017-08-20 04:07 Voli: but well opinions differ
2017-08-20 04:07 Naxess: Well, it might make it slightly less comfortable to play, but is it worth sacrificing the song's representation for?
2017-08-20 04:07 Voli: evidently
2017-08-20 04:07 Voli: XD
2017-08-20 04:08 Naxess: I mean this is a really weird thing to dq for imo
2017-08-20 04:08 Naxess: but uh
2017-08-20 04:08 Naxess:  /shrug
2017-08-20 04:08 Voli: but the thing is i dont really see how it impacts the representation of the song so much
2017-08-20 04:08 Voli: i mean, the vocal is still under on object
2017-08-20 04:08 Voli: even if its not a clickable one
2017-08-20 04:08 Voli: it isn't as if its completely ignored
2017-08-20 04:08 Naxess: Well, it's not much different from any other slider there
2017-08-20 04:08 Voli: i still took it into account while designing the pattern
2017-08-20 04:08 Naxess: what makes 00:53:539 (4) - 
2017-08-20 04:09 Naxess: any different from 00:53:075 (3) - 
2017-08-20 04:09 Naxess: It breaks flow I guess but...
2017-08-20 04:09 Voli: 00:54:003 (5) -  also it might sound weird
2017-08-20 04:09 Voli: but i think that note actually does express that vocal in some way
2017-08-20 04:09 Voli: combined with the sliderend
2017-08-20 04:09 Voli: 00:54:003 (5,6) -
2017-08-20 04:10 Naxess: It's true that a circle into a circle would be a bit strange
2017-08-20 04:10 Naxess: I mean if one were to be placed at 00:53:848 - 
2017-08-20 04:10 Naxess: you'd need to make the spacing between it and (5) noticeably different from (5) and (6)
2017-08-20 04:10 Voli: 00:53:539 (4) -  i also value mapping this vocal the same way as 00:53:075 (3) -
2017-08-20 04:11 Naxess: Hm maybe
2017-08-20 04:11 Naxess: if you listen to 00:53:694 - 
2017-08-20 04:11 Naxess: The vocal sort of continues
2017-08-20 04:11 Naxess: while it stops at 00:51:220 - 
2017-08-20 04:11 Naxess: same sort of thing can be observed between 01:01:116 - and 01:03:591 - 
2017-08-20 04:12 Voli: yea
2017-08-20 04:12 Naxess: So if you were to change things
2017-08-20 04:12 Naxess: I'd suggest doing the ones where the vocals stop
2017-08-20 04:12 Voli: right now
2017-08-20 04:12 Voli: the only one i'd consider changing is
2017-08-20 04:12 Voli: 01:00:962 (4) -
2017-08-20 04:12 Voli: because the vocal gets noticably more intense
2017-08-20 04:12 Voli: at the end
2017-08-20 04:13 Voli: while the rest of those cases seem perfectly fine if theyre connected to each other in the form of a slider
2017-08-20 04:13 Voli: to me
2017-08-20 04:13 Naxess: Hm well
2017-08-20 04:13 Naxess: That last one can be reflected through spacing if you do make it a circle
2017-08-20 04:13 Naxess: to make it different from 00:51:065 (4) - 
2017-08-20 04:13 Naxess: if it were to use the same rhythm
2017-08-20 04:13 Voli: what i'd maybe do is
2017-08-20 04:13 Voli: https://voli.s-ul.eu/u6vgw3td.png
2017-08-20 04:13 Naxess: Problem with only changing that last one is that 00:51:065 (4) - would seem like it's the same as 00:53:539 (4) - and 01:03:436 (4) - 
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: yeah
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: thats why i didnt change it so far
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: exactly
2017-08-20 04:14 Naxess: wait SV change?
2017-08-20 04:14 Naxess: oh wait
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: hm?
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: no
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: i shortened the straight one
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: and moved the wave back one tick
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: from white to blue
2017-08-20 04:14 Naxess: But then you completely ignore the drums
2017-08-20 04:14 Naxess: which you use for the others lol
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: yeah
2017-08-20 04:14 Voli: :/
2017-08-20 04:14 Naxess: That'd make it even more inconsistent xd
2017-08-20 04:15 Naxess: just do this
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: ideally i'd rather just
2017-08-20 04:15 Naxess: 01:01:271 - place a circle here
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: make another difficulty
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: with this vocal concept
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: and keep this the way i intended it to be
2017-08-20 04:15 Naxess: So two insane diffs in the same set?
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: yeah
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: because well it's not for nothing that people complain
2017-08-20 04:15 Voli: they want to see a difficulty following the vocals i guess(?)
2017-08-20 04:16 Naxess: I mean imo the only thing you need to do
2017-08-20 04:16 Naxess: 01:00:962 (4) - 
2017-08-20 04:16 Voli: but i've heard feedback from others that they really liked this idea too
2017-08-20 04:16 Voli: and i do myself too
2017-08-20 04:16 Naxess: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/vn5qOrB.png
2017-08-20 04:16 Naxess: same with 00:51:065 (4) - 
2017-08-20 04:16 Voli: and stack the circle underneath the sliderend?
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: I wouldn't, since it would stop motion and place emphasis through that
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: Just using regular spacing would maintain the motion
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: or well
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: both works
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: It just empahsizes different things
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: If you want to emphasize that the vocals stop
2017-08-20 04:17 Naxess: then stack
2017-08-20 04:17 Voli: i think stacking it underneath actually would work
2017-08-20 04:17 Voli: but i'll have to give it some thought
2017-08-20 04:18 Voli: when im not tired af
2017-08-20 04:18 Naxess: But ye just make sure that
2017-08-20 04:18 Naxess: 00:51:065 (4) - 00:53:539 (4) - don't become ambigous
2017-08-20 04:18 Naxess: same for the other two
2017-08-20 04:18 Naxess: If you do decide to differentiate one, that is
2017-08-20 04:19 Voli: 00:53:539 (4,5,6) -
2017-08-20 04:19 Voli: eh
2017-08-20 04:20 Naxess: hm
2017-08-20 04:20 Voli: i really like how this works with the direction change and all that
2017-08-20 04:20 Naxess: Well yeah
2017-08-20 04:20 Voli: and the jump to the drum line
2017-08-20 04:20 Voli: towards
2017-08-20 04:20 Naxess: You can keep that one
2017-08-20 04:20 Voli: but if  i dont change it
2017-08-20 04:20 Voli: and i would change the others
2017-08-20 04:20 Voli: it would be weirdly inconsistent
2017-08-20 04:20 Naxess: Well no because they work in a 12 12 pattern
2017-08-20 04:20 Naxess: where both 1s are the same
2017-08-20 04:20 Naxess: both 2s are the same
2017-08-20 04:21 Voli: but still the vocal would technically go ignored
2017-08-20 04:21 Naxess: I mean you even did this in your rhythm
2017-08-20 04:21 Voli: (sliderend)
2017-08-20 04:21 Voli: yeah i do it everywhere
2017-08-20 04:21 Naxess: well yeah but these don't actually stop
2017-08-20 04:21 Naxess: 00:53:694 - 
2017-08-20 04:21 Naxess: unlike 00:51:220 - 
2017-08-20 04:21 Voli: hmm
2017-08-20 04:21 Voli: i guess yea
2017-08-20 04:22 Naxess: Changing 00:51:065 (4) - would mean you need to change 01:00:962 (4) - , but it doesn't mean you need to change 00:53:539 (4) - or 01:03:436 (4) - 
2017-08-20 04:22 Naxess: as those last two are their own pattern
2017-08-20 04:22 Naxess: visa versa

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