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HoneyWorks feat. Gero - Jakusha no Sengen [Osu|Taiko]

posted 2017-07-21T19:40:36+00:00

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newton-

670 posts

Joined February 2015

newton- 2018-02-05T08:52:11+00:00

hi

[desperation]

1.4x sv seems a bit too low for an extra, most stuff like this has sth like 1.8x instead
00:06:836 (3,4,5) - these would fit better in the section if they were slightly angled like all other straight sliders in the section
00:37:971 (2,3,4) - rhythm should rlly be ctrlged here, i dont see why the red tick on 00:38:458 - gets more emphasis than the one on 00:38:134 - even tho there's a more prominent sound on the latter
00:45:755 (2,3,4) - most prominent sounds here according to song structure are 00:45:917 - and 00:46:404 - , which rn are mapped using sliderends instead of being clickable. would move this 1/2 beat forward and place a circle on 00:45:755 - so those sounds are made clickable
00:49:323 (1,4) - overlap is uinnecessary, could just stack these instead
01:02:134 - would really prefer if you increased sv for this section, having sv multiplier stay the same as on the verses doesnt really do anything to convey the increased intensity of the kiai :c.
01:17:215 (3,1) - overlap would look a lot nicer if 1 was only partially covered by 3 (sth like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10182723)
01:33:107 (7,1) - could be mistaken for a 1/2 even with the nc, since people will think that's just an ordinary downbeat nc instead of something used to identify different rhythm

good luck!

samosita

162 posts

Joined March 2015

samosita 2018-02-07T11:58:11+00:00

Hello there! Got a request from my mod q

mods

[Desperation]

00:00:512 (3,4) - you may want to increase the distance between these 2 as i saw that you were consistent in these patterns 00:01:161 (5,1) - 00:01:809 (2,3) - 00:02:458 (4,1) - i noticed in these patterns that the distance of the circle to the next slider with strong vocal is larger than the previous object.
00:05:215 (1) - move this further up so that the pattern that you did in 00:06:512 (1,2,3) - would be consistent with 00:05:215 (1,2,3) -
00:10:728 (3) - move this further to the right since i noticed the triangles that you made in 00:12:998 (1,2,3) - 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - 00:18:188 (1,2,3) - were a bit angled.
00:24:025 (3) - make this curved like 00:22:728 (3) -
00:25:647 (4,1) - i personally think that the spacing change should start here so you might want to place these 2 objects a little father apart
00:27:917 (3) - curve, if you will. strong vocal. and to be consistent w this 00:29:215 (4) -
00:50:458 (4,1,2,3,4) - i personally think that the distance between these should not be equal. the distance between 00:50:458 (4) - and 00:50:782 (1) - should be smaller compared to 00:50:782 (1) - and 00:51:107 (2,3,4) - because there is obvious rise in intensity in 00:51:107 (2,3,4) -
01:07:323 (1) - curve, as you also have 01:06:025 (1) - curved
01:05:215 (2,3,4,5) - pls fix pattern so that 01:05:701 (4) - should be blanketed to 01:06:025 (1) - . also to be consistent with this pattern: 01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,1) - .

[Elcheer's Insane]

00:01:323 (1,2,3) - the spacing between these objects are not consistent from previous object. consider following this 00:01:971 (4,5,6) -
00:12:998 (1,2,3) - make this the same shape and spacing as 00:10:404 (1,2,3) - for consistency
00:17:215 (2,3) - unintended stack? make these a jump like 00:12:025 (2,3) -
00:19:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this may be a pain to read. consider stacking 00:19:809 (2,3,4) - instead.
00:28:566 (1,5) - stack these maybe? for aesthetics
00:51:593 (5) - a flow break/ctrl g might be nice here since there is strong vocal
01:30:188 (4,5,6,7) - i dont really see the need for these jumps as there are no emphasis on percussion or whatsoever. it also has the same intensity as 01:24:998 (4,5) - . you might want to keep the pattern on 01:24:998 (4,5) - for this.

[Ky's Hard]

Hmm? Are you sure with this sv? sv for this difficulty (1.5x) is higher than insane's (1.4x).

00:20:053 - you might want to add a circle here to be consistent with 00:12:350 (3,4) - 00:14:944 (5,6) - 00:17:539 (3,4) -
00:49:323 (1,2,3,4) - a flow break might be nice here since the key has changed. make these go clockwise instead
01:12:188 (4) - ctrl g might be nice
01:17:377 (4,1) - should be consistent to the distance between these 01:12:188 (4,1) -
01:13:485 (4,1,2,3,4) - i believe these should look the same as these 01:03:107 (4,1,2,3,4) - . Curve 01:13:485 (4) - also for consistency
01:25:647 (1,2) - don't overlap these 2 as you did not overlap it in 01:23:053 (1,2) - and the other following similar patterns
dont overlap 01:31:809 (3,1)

Great map! good luck with this ^^

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-07T17:09:35+00:00

samosita wrote:
Hello there! Got a request from my mod q
[Ky's Hard]

Hmm? Are you sure with this sv? sv for this difficulty (1.5x) is higher than insane's (1.4x).
um...sure!! SV just depends on mapper. I usually use 1.4~1.6 SV for Hard diff.

00:20:053 - you might want to add a circle here to be consistent with 00:12:350 (3,4) - 00:14:944 (5,6) - 00:17:539 (3,4) - remain, 00:12:350 (3) - this slider is used for vocal, not actually beat sound. Because 00:20:134 (3) - is 1/4 reverse slider, it is better avoid 3/4 slider at 00:19:809 - , otherwise, it is too hard for players.
00:49:323 (1,2,3,4) - a flow break might be nice here since the key has changed. make these go clockwise instead both are okay and acceptable. I would like to have the same flowing here because this part is assume for taking a short break. Good suggestion.
01:12:188 (4) - ctrl g might be nice both are okay. smaller angle 01:11:701 (2,3,4) - looks easier for player, maybe?
01:17:377 (4,1) - should be consistent to the distance between these 01:12:188 (4,1) - um....01:17:377 (4,1) - reverse twice and 01:12:188 (4,1) - reverse once only..... of course they are in different ds because of different snapping.
01:13:485 (4,1,2,3,4) - i believe these should look the same as these 01:03:107 (4,1,2,3,4) - . Curve 01:13:485 (4) - also for consistency both are okay, because they are in different part. at least rhythm is the same is okay.
01:25:647 (1,2) - don't overlap these 2 as you did not overlap it in 01:23:053 (1,2) - and the other following similar patterns because no space on the right sign of 01:25:323 (4) - . This overlapping do not affect reading, so I think it is acceptable.
dont overlap 01:31:809 (3,1) same.
Great map! good luck with this ^^

no change.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-07T19:29:34+00:00

newton- wrote:
hi

[desperation]
1.4x sv seems a bit too low for an extra, most stuff like this has sth like 1.8x instead I know but first, I'm not remapping it and second,I think it fits the guitar sounds, playability is also not restricted by it
00:06:836 (3,4,5) - these would fit better in the section if they were slightly angled like all other straight sliders in the section Fixed
00:37:971 (2,3,4) - rhythm should rlly be ctrlged here, i dont see why the red tick on 00:38:458 - gets more emphasis than the one on 00:38:134 - even tho there's a more prominent sound on the latter It is because I'm following the drums in this section
00:45:755 (2,3,4) - most prominent sounds here according to song structure are 00:45:917 - and 00:46:404 - , which rn are mapped using sliderends instead of being clickable. would move this 1/2 beat forward and place a circle on 00:45:755 - so those sounds are made clickable I don't really agree, I think they are equally important (and I want that 1/1 afterwards to emphasize what comes after it)
00:49:323 (1,4) - overlap is uinnecessary, could just stack these instead Fixed
01:02:134 - would really prefer if you increased sv for this section, having sv multiplier stay the same as on the verses doesnt really do anything to convey the increased intensity of the kiai :c. True that, but as I already said above, I think it fits the song
01:17:215 (3,1) - overlap would look a lot nicer if 1 was only partially covered by 3 (sth like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10182723) Fixed
01:33:107 (7,1) - could be mistaken for a 1/2 even with the nc, since people will think that's just an ordinary downbeat nc instead of something used to identify different rhythm Fixed
good luck!

Thank you!

samosita wrote:
Hello there! Got a request from my mod q

mods
[Desperation]

00:00:512 (3,4) - you may want to increase the distance between these 2 as i saw that you were consistent in these patterns 00:01:161 (5,1) - 00:01:809 (2,3) - 00:02:458 (4,1) - i noticed in these patterns that the distance of the circle to the next slider with strong vocal is larger than the previous object. Changed a little
00:05:215 (1) - move this further up so that the pattern that you did in 00:06:512 (1,2,3) - would be consistent with 00:05:215 (1,2,3) - No I want to avoid even more overlaps, it's okay like this imo
00:10:728 (3) - move this further to the right since i noticed the triangles that you made in 00:12:998 (1,2,3) - 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - 00:18:188 (1,2,3) - were a bit angled. True but it kinda breaks the transition and looks weird
00:24:025 (3) - make this curved like 00:22:728 (3) - Looks better like this
00:25:647 (4,1) - i personally think that the spacing change should start here so you might want to place these 2 objects a little father apart Fixed
00:27:917 (3) - curve, if you will. strong vocal. and to be consistent w this 00:29:215 (4) - Ok
00:50:458 (4,1,2,3,4) - i personally think that the distance between these should not be equal. the distance between 00:50:458 (4) - and 00:50:782 (1) - should be smaller compared to 00:50:782 (1) - and 00:51:107 (2,3,4) - because there is obvious rise in intensity in 00:51:107 (2,3,4) - Fixed
01:07:323 (1) - curve, as you also have 01:06:025 (1) - curved I actually like the current flow it has
01:05:215 (2,3,4,5) - pls fix pattern so that 01:05:701 (4) - should be blanketed to 01:06:025 (1) - . also to be consistent with this pattern: 01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,1) - . I think it's fine as it is

Great map! good luck with this ^^

Thanks

Spayyce

693 posts

Joined December 2013

Spayyce 2018-02-09T05:45:08+00:00

Fursum wrote:
[Space's Insane]

As you have the stop over the guitar at the end of this section, dont skip over this 00:13:161 - guitar note to follow the guitar layer more consistently so that the stop at 00:14:944 - would be more expected Changed to 1/2 notes

00:59:053 (4) - this seems a bit overemphasized for such a calm section. you could bring it more in line with 00:57:755 (3) - as you already have the higher note density for this vocal bit to bring out the emphasis Nerfed jump

01:17:863 - pls use finishes less it sounds really overdone, or atleast not normal finishes but soft finishes I want it to have a lot of emphasis as it's the most emphasised part of the song.

01:27:593 (3,4) - 01:32:782 (3,4) - for this section you follow the guitar layer much less closely so this 1/1 gap over the stop feels out of place. mapping the drums would be much more appropriate It's consistent with the first part and I don't wanna jump to different instruments each time. 00:20:458 (1,2,3,4,1) - being an exception due to it being so overpowering for example

gl

Thank you for the mod!

aaa

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realy0_

1,731 posts

Joined August 2016

realy0_ 2018-02-09T15:38:36+00:00

How tf with all these mods this isn't even bubbled, find bns already

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-09T18:06:34+00:00

realy0_ wrote:
How tf with all these mods this isn't even bubbled, find bns already

I wish a BN would check it but apparently they're not interested in it

I've posted this map in like every single bn queue lmao

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-09T18:20:37+00:00

Fursum wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]

00:00:026 (1,2,3,4) - the first verse is a bit overcrowded compared to 00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - where having more notes would be much more suitable as the intensity is higher and has the same amount of vocal notes don't like the idea of having more notes at 00:05:215 - cause i want to emphasize the drum hits

00:19:971 (4,1) - ohno please dont do streams separated with 1/4 sliders, it is really confusing to follow the rythm with the visuals. move 00:20:133 (1,2,3,4,5) - away so recognizing the kickslider would be much more easier and puts some emphasis needed for (1) fixed, no more kickslider

00:24:674 (1,2,3,4) - why did you increase the density when the layers are much calmer and theres the held vocal to follow which would reduce density. making it the same with 00:28:566 (1,2,3,4) - is not ideal somewhat maybe probably fixed

the points repeat itself a couple times throughout the map so yea check them out

oh wow elcheer's still alive

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Title:Jakusha no Sengen
TitleUnicode:弱者の宣言
Artist:HoneyWorks feat. Gero
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Creator:J a c k
Version:Elcheer's Insane
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Tags:EGOIST Irohas MugiwaraSekai Kyle_Y Elcheer -Space- Faputa Poii
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Serizawa Haruki

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Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-09T20:46:36+00:00

Elcheer don't forget samosita's mod pls (it's hidden in the box xd)
Thanks for applying mods tho owo

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-10T02:24:17+00:00

samosita wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]
00:01:323 (1,2,3) - the spacing between these objects are not consistent from previous object. consider following this 00:01:971 (4,5,6) -
fixed
00:12:998 (1,2,3) - make this the same shape and spacing as 00:10:404 (1,2,3) - for consistency fixed
00:17:215 (2,3) - unintended stack? make these a jump like 00:12:025 (2,3) - intended stack, and making it a jump wouldn't work the same way it did for 00:12:025 (2,3) -
00:19:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this may be a pain to read. consider stacking 00:19:809 (2,3,4) - instead. fixed
00:28:566 (1,5) - stack these maybe? for aesthetics fixed
00:51:593 (5) - a flow break/ctrl g might be nice here since there is strong vocal imo it's better the way it is
01:30:188 (4,5,6,7) - i dont really see the need for these jumps as there are no emphasis on percussion or whatsoever. it also has the same intensity as 01:24:998 (4,5) - . you might want to keep the pattern on 01:24:998 (4,5) - for this. instead of making it 2 sliders like 01:24:998 (4,5) - i just decided to make it a jump at 01:29:863 (2,3,4,5) - to one slider at 01:30:512 -

thanks

we still alive

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Ataraxia

673 posts

Joined February 2014

Ataraxia 2018-02-10T03:06:48+00:00

Hello sorry for late

From my queue

[General]

Mp3 and BG correct

[Easy]

00:23:701 (2,3) - These 2 slider seems 'dead' for me, look at your map, u put good pattens, these 2 slider its random a lot, switch them.

[Irohas' Normal]

00:14:944 (5,6) - These Nc its really necessary, remember that novice players, i think u need to take off them. Like 00:19:809 (4,5) - xp
00:27:755 (5) - and 00:28:404 (6) - need a circle, like the representation you did in 00:23:053 (6,3) -
00:51:269 (5) - Wrong NC ?
01:27:593 (5) - Nc boyyyy

[Ky's Hardl]

00:03:917 (1,2) - this is soo weird, there's none Intonation or vocal / instrument extension here, i think u could just let a 1/2 slider and a linear circle
00:12:350 (3,4) - why the hitsound its in the slidertail ? they should to be in 00:12:674 (4) -
00:16:728 (1) - remove the clap in slidertail.
00:17:539 (3,4) - The same point about 00:12:350 (3,4) -
00:24:674 (1,2) - Same point about intonation etc

More than that, its a Hard, if are a insane, there acceptable, cuz its a normal patten of them, but a hard with a 3/4 stuff... i really don't feel safe about that.
00:35:701 (3,4) - Here a example how good u follow the extended vocal xD
00:52:242 (3,4,5) - ultimate nazi, u should use the same angle to rotate them, delet 00:52:566 (4,5) - and pick the 00:52:242 (3) - and create one for one in 45º degrees (note, the next rotated will need another 45º degrees)

00:56:782 (1) - Please STACKSKT (stack :3)

01:06:025 (1,2,3,4) - Same point about rotation here.

I say that because the map can be more polished than now, i think thats a good thing for a attractive map

[Insane]

i don't find anything relevant to say. good diff

[Elcheer's Insane]

00:34:080 (2,4) - why a 1/2 ? i think u can put 1/2 circles instead a slider
00:37:971 (3,4) - The vocal here its strong, but the representation its the same in 00:37:647 (1,2) -

its a insane diff, u could be more 'agressive' its a sugestion at all, but this part can be better than now.
01:12:025 (1) - if you let with the streams, this can be like a circle, not a 3/4 slider, Leave it further away.

[Space's Insane] hello space owo

Hitsounds are more like to : Overhitsound, its the first time i see a strong way of use hitsound, i don't feel safe about that.

Its the unique thing about the diff.

[Fapu's Extra]

Hitsounds seems incomplete for me, u can explain what is your intention about doing hitsound in that way ?

and in 01:23:053 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - they're complete ? o.o

men, hitsound copier from last to your

[Desperation]

00:31:161 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Where's the clap in this part ?

The same here 00:41:539 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - .

Its really strange the way of hitsound in the Extra diff in General...

01:20:782 (2,3,4,5,6) - Its a explosion o.o, nerf a bit xD

--

The mapset in general (insane to extra) need a improve on hitsounds

The unique different that i 'understand' its space diff (even seems strange for me yet xp)

good luck !

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-10T03:28:17+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]

00:34:080 (2,4) - why a 1/2 ? i think u can put 1/2 circles instead a slider fixed
00:37:971 (3,4) - The vocal here its strong, but the representation its the same in 00:37:647 (1,2) - fixed

its a insane diff, u could be more 'agressive' its a sugestion at all, but this part can be better than now.
01:12:025 (1) - if you let with the streams, this can be like a circle, not a 3/4 slider, Leave it further away. fixed

they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming...

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Serizawa Haruki

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Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-10T16:57:10+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
Hello sorry for late

From my queue

[General]

Mp3 and BG correct

[Easy]

00:23:701 (2,3) - These 2 slider seems 'dead' for me, look at your map, u put good pattens, these 2 slider its random a lot, switch them.
True, changed pattern

[Insane]

i don't find anything relevant to say. good diff Wow I didn't expect that, thanks owo

[Desperation]

00:31:161 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Where's the clap in this part ? Added claps in my diffs and also in Elcheer's Insane because he uses the same hitsounds

The same here 00:41:539 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - . I feel like this part is too calm to add claps, I would rather keep whistles here

Its really strange the way of hitsound in the Extra diff in General... It's fine imo

01:20:782 (2,3,4,5,6) - Its a explosion o.o, nerf a bit xD Well you're right but I need it for SR xD

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The mapset in general (insane to extra) need a improve on hitsounds I will keep it in mind

The unique different that i 'understand' its space diff (even seems strange for me yet xp)

good luck !

Thank you!

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-12T17:44:10+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Ky's Hardl]

00:03:917 (1,2) - this is soo weird, there's none Intonation or vocal / instrument extension here, i think u could just let a 1/2 slider and a linear circle in fact, it got the same principle of vocal slider as 00:35:701 (3,4) - which you mentioned below. Completely follow 1/2 rhythm is quite boring to play which I don't want to.
00:12:350 (3,4) - why the hitsound its in the slidertail ? they should to be in 00:12:674 (4) - fixed
00:16:728 (1) - remove the clap in slidertail. fixed
00:17:539 (3,4) - The same point about 00:12:350 (3,4) - fixed
00:24:674 (1,2) - Same point about intonation etc fixed.

More than that, its a Hard, if are a insane, there acceptable, cuz its a normal patten of them, but a hard with a 3/4 stuff... i really don't feel safe about that. still rankable in Hard diff for sure.
00:35:701 (3,4) - Here a example how good u follow the extended vocal xD
00:52:242 (3,4,5) - ultimate nazi, u should use the same angle to rotate them, delet 00:52:566 (4,5) - and pick the 00:52:242 (3) - and create one for one in 45º degrees (note, the next rotated will need another 45º degrees) why degree is that important?

00:56:782 (1) - Please STACKSKT (stack :3) remain, because I use similar pattern in kiai time (01:08:458 (5) - ), so this overlaps is to tell players that I am going to use this overlaps afterward, although players may not notice it.

01:06:025 (1,2,3,4) - Same point about rotation here. why is it important?

I say that because the map can be more polished than now, i think thats a good thing for a attractive map

https://puu.sh/zmeXJ/f0b3e71aaf.osu

Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Irohas 2018-02-13T17:30:52+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Irohas' Normal]

00:14:944 (5,6) - These Nc its really necessary, remember that novice players, i think u need to take off them. Like 00:19:809 (4,5) - xp intended since i privileged finishes instead of drums that i followed previously
00:27:755 (5) - and 00:28:404 (6) - need a circle, like the representation you did in 00:23:053 (6,3) - not the same rhythm
00:51:269 (5) - Wrong NC ? not at all
01:27:593 (5) - Nc boyyyy xd

no change, same for yales but thx for mods!!

mancuso_JM_

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Joined October 2010

mancuso_JM_ 2018-02-13T23:35:35+00:00

I'd like to know if Faputa is checking those mods in their difficulty before to mod your map.

I haven't seen an answer by themselve since some time ago and I always like to check maps that are 100% ready to be modded.

I'm going to start my mod afterwards.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-13T23:39:52+00:00

mancuso_JM_ wrote:
I'd like to know if Faputa is checking those mods in their difficulty before to mod your map.

I haven't seen an answer by themselve since some time ago and I always like to check maps that are 100% ready to be modded.

I'm going to start my mod afterwards.

I told Faputa today that he should check them and he said he would do it so yeah let's wait for him to apply the mods

Faputa

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Joined May 2011

Faputa 2018-02-14T02:37:40+00:00

Nikakis wrote:
~Hello J a c k , from my modding queue!

Fapu's Extra:
00:23:053 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - : This is extremely hard to play, I would highly recommend to rework the flow.This part of the song doesn't deserve such a complicated flow like this. I don't think it is "extremely hard". With the current AR setting, players should be aware that which notes are they going to hit. And I don't want to break the current aesthetics really.

That's it I think, such a cute set & song.Good luck!~

Fursum wrote:
henlo its q
[Fapu'sextra]

00:08:296 (2,3,1,2) - triple into this spacing is a bit overdone, contrasting the increase in spacing a bit more would be nice to emphasize the buildup
basically first notes much closer in spacing and last notes the same I think it is fine. The previous stacked 1/4s are all triples, and the DS increase here arithmetic.

00:51:593 (6,1) - you used a couple 1/1 stacks on halts so this makes me wonder why you have movement here It is because spacing them here marks the enter of the bass sounds, and also every change in major rhythm in this map is dealt with spacing, not stacks.

01:07:809 (2,3,4,5) - 01:09:107 (2,3,4,5) - theres the vocals on (4) which lost a bit of emphasis as you could break the flow to highlight them. right now the patterns doesnt really follow anything noticeable Changed them slightly so it brings more emphasis.
you did the flowbreaks on next section though so i assume this was an oversight

01:22:728 (1,2,3,4) - this could be a curved stream with a bit more spacing to match the intensity better and for a better flow. straight > straight streams not rly gud Nice idea.

ok cant mod low diffs sry
gl

_Epreus wrote:
[fapu's extra]00:04:242 (2,3,4,5,6) - I dont get why you used stream pattern here.. here doesnt have drum spam sound or another instrumental or vocal.. It is to plan for the incoming stream.

00:05:215 (1) - I think this can get more distance since here has strong sound and should be emphasized Distance between jumps here are increasing gradually.

00:09:107 (5) - can you nc this for drum's end? Thanks for reminding.

00:12:350 (3) - I think you could stack this to 00:11:377 (5) - here That would affect the aesthetics of 00:12:025 (2,3,4) -

00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - can you make them at least low spaced triangles or etc? here has difference of instrument's tone so.. Tringles here don't work in my opinion.

00:40:890 (6) - nc for 1/3 sliders? I don't agree. Every change in major rhythm is not treated with continuous NC setting in this map.

01:17:539 (6,1) - arent they so close? can you give them more distance by doing ctrl g or etc? Changed sth here in other's mod

its short because I cant find more problem. its a cool map good luck!

Cloudchaser wrote:
Ciao. From modding queue
General
Personally, I don't think using your current soft-hitnormal fits in the song, It's very annoying to play and hear. You should use that one when the drum has more prominence than the guitar, but it's not in this case. I'd use something softer and not too rough, or just use the default one.
Fapu's Extra
01:00:998 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - I'd make this pattern of NCs https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132178 When I was playing, I really messed up with that part. With this change, it's more legible imo. Changed to a different NC setting that makes the overlapped circles near the corner the same colour.
01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,6) - These jumps are really forced. The strong notes starts just in 01:03:107 (5,6) - so, there should be the jumps, not before. If you have looked the kiai overall, the jumps are not totally nonsense, I believe having the star patterns the most spaced, and then the latter ones gradually becomes easier to hit/ less spaced fits my mapping intention.
01:17:377 (4,5,6,1) - For consistency, you should increase the DS between these notes so it doesn't break the flow. Sure.

The kiai is really overdone with jumps, I don't really justify it for the intensity of the song. In general, your patterns are pretty well made, aesthetically, and rhythmically too! I would just nerf the kiai. Thanks for the compliment :3. And as said in the reply above, the DS in kiai is designed like that, and I've foreshadowed the DS change before the kiai starts.
3 diffs as I promised.

higher difficulties need more polishment, but it's nothing with hard work you cannot fix!
Any question, don't hesitate in asking. Good luck!!!!!

Ataraxia wrote:
Hello sorry for late

From my queue

[Fapu's Extra]
Hitsounds seems incomplete for me, u can explain what is your intention about doing hitsound in that way ?

and in 01:23:053 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - they're complete ? o.o

men, hitsound copier from last to your I fixed it. Thanks for reminding.

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The mapset in general (insane to extra) need a improve on hitsounds

The unique different that i 'understand' its space diff (even seems strange for me yet xp)

good luck !

Thank you all <3 <3

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leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

leo16834 2018-02-14T05:41:57+00:00

Hi~ From my modding Q

I had discussed with Faputa before this xD p/6329218#p6329218

Poii's Muzukashii

00:25:323 (96,97) - Personally I would like this part use k d because the vocal is high to low
00:41:215 (157) - d ? I think this one can rendered next part 00:41:539 (158,159,160,161) - heavy note
00:43:485 (162,163,164,165) - how about use d k and k d ? Symmetrical is good xD
00:46:242 (168) - d , In order to express 00:46:404 (169) - high vocal
01:20:782 (305) - d , symmetry 01:21:917 (310,311) -

Poii's Oni

00:08:863 - How about add some note on here ?
00:26:620 (131) - d ? 2d+2k with 1d is better than d d k k k because 00:26:944 (132,133,134) - is k k d. Personally I would think about good to read xD
00:37:647 (39) - k ? long vocal use k I think can it which performed pause Rhythm
00:53:863 (115,116,120,121) - k d and d k? the reason is the same. Symmetrical is good

ok nice map set , shoot star~

Good luck with this set/

Arphimigon

1,650 posts

Joined December 2014

Arphimigon 2018-02-14T14:58:05+00:00

woah

[Easy]
00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - So you do this particular rhythms with the reverses and stuff when this vocal happens, but the next time it happens at 00:25:971 (1,2,3) - you chose something different! Try changing one of the two to be like the other? (also 00:36:350 (1,2,3) - this is the same vocal also)

[Irohas' Normal]
00:14:944 (1,2) - So there's a NC on the first note of this, why not 00:20:134 (5,6) - ? I guess it does sound a little quieter and stuff, but it's just odd with only one NC out of place like that.
00:48:998 (5,1) - and 00:54:836 (2,3) - there's two blankets to fix

[Ky's Hard]
00:40:890 (4,5) - In terms of size, these are almost indistinguishable from the 1/2 sliders and there isn't really much to show that they are 1/3. Try doing something? A different slider shape, a NC, a different SV, anything?
00:51:431 (3) - Two notes perhaps? Kinda feels dull to end on a slider end here before a small pause when both sounds here are pretty stronk

[Elcheer's Insane]
00:08:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - A small touch to show rising in volume would be to just ever so slightly raise the sv of the second reverse slider, say to 1.1x speed, so it's just a bit faster than the first. Little touches~
~~00:12:998 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern makes me smile for no good reason.~~

Last time I looked at the higher diffs afaik so here's a mod on the lower and newer ones.
Bai o/

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-14T15:21:32+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
woah

[Easy]
00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - So you do this particular rhythms with the reverses and stuff when this vocal happens, but the next time it happens at 00:25:971 (1,2,3) - you chose something different! Try changing one of the two to be like the other? (also 00:36:350 (1,2,3) - this is the same vocal also) I did this because the drums at 00:05:215 (1,3) - are a lot stronger than in the other parts so I wanted to emphasize those drums but thanks for the suggestion

Last time I looked at the higher diffs afaik so here's a mod on the lower and newer ones.
Bai o/

Thanks for looking at my map again :3

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-02-14T17:05:48+00:00

leo16834 wrote:
Hi~ From my modding Q

I had discussed with Faputa before this xD p/6329218#p6329218

Poii's Muzukashii

00:25:323 (96,97) - Personally I would like this part use k d because the vocal is high to low 00:25:647 - have stronger sound
00:41:215 (157) - d ? I think this one can rendered next part 00:41:539 (158,159,160,161) - heavy note 00:40:890 (156,157) - vocal
00:43:485 (162,163,164,165) - how about use d k and k d ? Symmetrical is good xD kk and dd is fit tho, wont change
00:46:242 (168) - d , In order to express 00:46:404 (169) - high vocal k
01:20:782 (305) - d , symmetry 01:21:917 (310,311) - snare

Poii's Oni

00:08:863 - How about add some note on here ? no 5plet is fit, and doesnt make the gap in this part between oni and muzu too far
00:26:620 (131) - d ? 2d+2k with 1d is better than d d k k k because 00:26:944 (132,133,134) - is k k d. Personally I would think about good to read xD 30 to d
00:37:647 (39) - k ? long vocal use k I think can it which performed pause Rhythm k
00:53:863 (115,116,120,121) - k d and d k? the reason is the same. Symmetrical is good naah, k for strong vocal here

ok nice map set , shoot star~

Good luck with this set/

ty

Muzu

oni

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-14T17:25:48+00:00

Updated again

Btw Poii thanks for all the kudo spam but you really shouldn't waste them on this map xd

Mitsuna-

286 posts

Joined January 2014

Mitsuna- 2018-02-14T22:26:41+00:00

[Easy]
00:07:809 (1) - this spinner is really short for an easy diff, some new player might not hit 300 i think, i suggest to end it here 00:09:755 - maybe

01:15:107 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:15:917 (2) - ?
01:17:701 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:18:512 (2) - too ?

[Space's Insane]
00:11:539 (1,2) - the angle when we go for the second note is really sharp, i suggest to slightly curve this slider 00:11:539 (1) - like this https://puu.sh/znRfO.png to make a bit more intuitive

01:17:863 - Why change hitsound ? It feels really weird

[Fapu's Extra]
I like this diff but i think the flow can be improved if you move some objects to the player expectation
For example, i expected that this slider 01:29:377 (1) - would be further in the top because the spacing is pretty large here 01:29:053 (4,5) - but pretty low here 01:29:215 (5,1) - even if the strongest beat is on this sliderhead 01:29:377 (1) -

Like this mapset, I didn't modded all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Last edited by Mitsuna- 2018-02-17T17:55:38+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-15T01:11:36+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]
00:08:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - A small touch to show rising in volume would be to just ever so slightly raise the sv of the second reverse slider, say to 1.1x speed, so it's just a bit faster than the first. Little touches~ fixed
~~00:12:998 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern makes me smile for no good reason.~~ :))))))

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Serizawa Haruki

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Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-15T01:27:59+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Easy]
00:07:809 (1) - this spinner is really short for an easy diff, some new player might not hit 300 i think, i suggest to end it here 00:09:755 - maybe I can't make it longer because according to the ranking criteria, there need to be 4 beats of spinner recovery time after a spinner in an Easy diff
01:15:107 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:15:917 (2) - ? I think it's better like this because currently the NC is on the strongest beat
01:17:701 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:18:512 (2) - too ? Same as above

Like this mapset, I didn't mapped all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Thank you!

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-15T16:55:19+00:00

M4M request

I talked about the problems in this mapset to Jack before, except my gd (because I cannot self mod). Problem in Easy, Normal diff is not that serious, but of course quality could be much more higher. So, I focus on insanes this time.

Elcheer's Insane

00:00:026 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - at this part, you use clickable objects for EVERY vocal, but in 00:05:539 (3,5) - you didn't. Actually, this rhythm is similar to 00:00:350 (3,4,6,7) - . So I think it is better to keep consistence here.
00:08:458 (3) - This is an Insane diff, so I supposed to have jumping 1/4 slider. At the same this, it can emphasize the beat 00:08:458 -
and 00:08:782 (4) - by using a jump here. 00:08:782 - this is a strong beat, so I don't think overlapping is a suitable choice here. (similar modding applied to 01:27:593 (3) - )
00:19:809 (2,3,4) - I don't disagree you use stacking stream, but at least you need to stack 00:20:052 (5) - also. 00:20:052 (5) - is not a strong beat but 00:20:134 - instead. it is more reasonable that 00:20:052 (5) - is in stacking stream and 00:20:133 (1) - in the normal stream.
00:20:782 - this part share the same rhythm as the very beginning 00:00:026 - . I think you can use different pattern but still same rhythm for consistency.
00:25:566 - this triplet sound is quite loud, skipping this sound seems quite weird.
00:30:350 (4) - I guess it is more reasonable to stack 00:31:161 - but not 00:31:080 - .
00:41:539 (1,2) - you use stacking slider end for 1/2 rhythm here but 00:42:836 (5,1) - 1/1 rhythm follow by, so it is really good to do so? You use this pattern for twice only, other position is 01:10:728 (4,5) - . 01:11:053 - got a strong beat sound, so I don't think stacking is a good choice there. 00:42:025 (2) - still got a soft beat sound, but not too loud. If this pattern is not widely use across the map, I think it is better avoid it.
00:51:188 (3) - if this pattern is widely used to represent 1/4 snapping in the map, then I think it is okay. BUT you only used for once only, and the visual distance is similar to 1/2 snapping like 00:52:890 (5,1) - , I think it should be avoided. suggested use simiar pattern as 00:40:566 (3,4,1) - .
in kiai time, overlapping problem appeared. some overlaps like 01:04:728 (1,4) - 01:05:539 (4,3) - 01:07:161 (5,2,4) - 01:12:512 (1,4) - etc. I suggested to avoid these overlap because it is not really good in looking. Play area is so large, why should they overlap?
01:24:998 (4,5) - same rhythm with 01:30:188 (4,5,6) - 01:32:782 (4,5,6,7) - but different combination of circle and sliders. Please make them consistence.
Strong beats: 00:24:674 - 00:27:269 (1) - 00:51:917 (1) - 01:06:025 (1) - 01:13:809 (1) - 01:17:701 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - missing jumping to emphasize strong beat sounds. especially 00:51:917 (1) -, although you tried to put into a pattern, but it is not suitable to use this pattern here, because of the strong beats.
nc should be at 00:42:836 (5) - instead of 00:43:485 (1) - , because you put nc every big white ticks (or red tick before), it is better to keep consistent.
00:45:431 (5) - 00:48:025 (5) - missing nc

Space's Insane

00:07:890 - 00:08:053 - 00:08:215 - I cannot hear 1/4 sounds, please further confirm if any over-map here.
00:08:458 (3,4) - 00:28:890 (2,3,4) - 00:56:134 (2,3,4) - because it is an 5-star map, I think it is not that good to use reverse slider here. Players suppose to have a higher intensity map for higher SR. Please use 1/4 slider jump or stream instead.
00:49:971 (3) - should be a slider like 00:49:323 (1,2) - ? If you want to keep circle here, I guess 00:49:323 (1,2) - should change to circle also becasue both of them are vocal sound. If you remain, then please nc 00:50:296 (4) - because it is more clear to read between 1/2 and 1/1 snapped objects.
00:51:431 - strong beat sound here, it should not be a slider end but clickable object to emphasize the beat.
00:53:215 (1,2) - why here change to follow vocal so sudden. at the same time, 00:54:512 (1,2) - is follow beat again for similar things.
00:57:755 (3) - this slider seems weird here. Your followed vocal here, but 00:58:080 - this sound should not be slider end because it is major vocal sound. at the same time, 00:58:890 - should be delete because there is no vocal sound for you to follow.
01:17:620 (6) - any sound?
01:17:863 (1,2,3,4) - 01:19:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this jump do not fit thr song here. There is no strong beat, then why this jump should be jump? The only reason I can think of it to rise SR, but osu! is a rhythm game..... Please map based on the songs.
These two set of jump consist of 0.2 stars.... that's mean it is pp jump.
01:25:647 (1) - 01:30:836 (1) - this rhythm repeated 01:23:053 (1,2,3) - . and there is no reason for you to skip the strong sound 01:25:809 - .
01:30:836 (1,3) - this flowing is not that smooth, please try to fix it.

Faputa

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Faputa 2018-02-17T12:24:35+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Fapu's Extra]
I like this diff but i think the flow can be improved if you move some objects to the player expectation
For example, i expected that this slider 01:29:377 (1) - would be further in the top because the spacing is pretty large here 01:29:053 (4,5) - but pretty low here 01:29:215 (5,1) - even if the strongest beat is on this sliderhead 01:29:377 (1) - Fixed here.
As well as polishing the diff for one more time.

Like this mapset, I didn't mapped all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Thanks Mitsuna <3

update

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Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-19T06:50:53+00:00

No kudosu!!!!!!!!! No kudosu!!!!!!!!!
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(conc. modding)
Fapu's Extra

00:02:620 (1,2) - This is quite misleading that the visual ds is quite similar (or even the same with) 00:02:296 (4,5) -
00:04:323 (3,5) - Any sound here? I can hear nothing, and I think it is over-mapped here, unless you can explain why.
00:04:890 (7,1) - visual distance again(with 00:07:161 (4,5) - ). Also, 00:05:215 - is strong beat, missing jumping here to emphasize beat.
00:06:188 - this beat is much more stronger than 00:06:025 - , so it is more reasonable to have clickable object on 00:06:188 - instead of 00:06:025 - , I suggest you use this rhythm:
00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - rhythm inconsistent with 00:12:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , they got similar rhythm. Guitar sound at 00:10:566 - and 00:10:890 - is major rhythm, I can understand why 00:10:566 - is slider end, but why 00:10:890 - ?
00:14:782 (3,4) - flowing is quite weird here. You use flowing break before like 00:13:971 (6,1) - is for emphasizing beats, so why flowing break here?
00:14:944 (4,6) - I suggest you not to stacking this two objects but small overlap for clear reading.
00:19:647 - stream actually started from here. 00:19:809 (2,3) - I expected to have circles instead of reverse 1/4 slider because it is extra diff, similar with 00:08:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
00:22:080 (1) - this is 3/4 slider, then why not 00:23:377 (1) - ? why not for those have similar vocal rhythm like 00:21:431 (4) - 00:22:728 (3) - ?
00:25:323 (3) - change to circle triplet?
00:25:647 (4) - this beat is quite strong, jump?
00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this rhythm can be much more fun to play, like 01:00:998 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - or even this. Stacking seems even boring than my pattern in hard diff.
00:33:107 (3,4) - not clear to read.
00:47:377 (3,4) - stacking
00:51:917 (1,2,3,4) - I don't disagree to use this rhythm, but this pattern seems much more easier than Hard diff. See if this pattern feel better?
00:56:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this pattern is good. But 00:56:944 (7,1) - should be having larger ds than 00:56:782 (6,7) -
00:57:107 (1,2,3) - this rhythm is same as 00:59:701 (4,5,1) - if you stack circle 1 and 2, then it is more reasonable to stack circle 4 and 5 also. btw, 00:59:701 (4) - nc.
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Overall, flowing can be much more better. Some flow-breaking are for emphasizing strong beats, but some just quite meaningless to do so, like 00:14:782 (3,4) - 00:21:431 (4,5) - 00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:23:053 (4,5,1) - 00:26:620 (3,4,5) - etc. I am not the only modder to talk about flowing, but I think I am not the last one if you do not work on it.
Object-placement can be better, now I can only feel that you use high ds to rise SR, like 00:13:323 (2,3,4,5,6) - , especially in kiai time, which I don't really agree to it. I think you need to know which beat should be emphasized and place a relatively high ds there.
If you can use high SR but I can't feel it is un-reasonable, then.... it's great.
Rhythm, I can see you tried to use extended slider, but I think you are still not familiar with it. 00:02:620 (1,2) - 00:07:161 (4,5) - and 00:22:080 (1,2) - both are okay to use extended slider, the problem is about consistency only.

Faputa

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Faputa 2018-02-19T14:50:26+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:
No kudosu!!!!!!!!! No kudosu!!!!!!!!!
[]
(conc. modding)
Fapu's Extra
00:02:620 (1,2) - This is quite misleading that the visual ds is quite similar (or even the same with) 00:02:296 (4,5) -
I think the slider tick gives enough clue that where the next note stands in (00:02:944 (2) - ), and the fact that the starting notes are all snapped in 1/2. So I don't think it would be too misleading. I've let some testplayers to test it, and they all can hit that.
00:04:323 (3,5) - Any sound here? I can hear nothing, and I think it is over-mapped here, unless you can explain why.
Why many people thinks so.. There's guitar sounds. Please slow down to 25% to hear it clearly. And overall when hearing the music, it feels like not a 1/2, but rather 1/4.
00:04:890 (7,1) - visual distance again(with 00:07:161 (4,5) - ). Also, 00:05:215 - is strong beat, missing jumping here to emphasize beat.
tbh it feels alright when playing. And the 9.3AR makes it legit enough for visual. Also for the argument of strong beat, I don't map jumps for calm -> strong sounds in this map, but only strong -> strong sounds. I think that it is not bad.
00:06:188 - this beat is much more stronger than 00:06:025 - , so it is more reasonable to have clickable object on 00:06:188 - instead of 00:06:025 - , I suggest you use this rhythm:

Actually I mapped here so that the clickable sounds all match with the guitar. The beat at 00:06:025 - is not to be emphasized actually, and the attention is grabbed into the stacks here, so player won't feel weird.
00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - rhythm inconsistent with 00:12:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , they got similar rhythm. Guitar sound at 00:10:566 - and 00:10:890 - is major rhythm, I can understand why 00:10:566 - is slider end, but why 00:10:890 - ?
The rhythm choice here is not random, 00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - corresponds to 00:15:593 (1,2,3,4,5) - and 00:12:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - corresponds to 00:18:188 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . The choice of two sliders doesn't make it weird, really.
00:14:782 (3,4) - flowing is quite weird here. You use flowing break before like 00:13:971 (6,1) - is for emphasizing beats, so why flowing break here?
Its also for emphasizing. The feeling of a star shape and ends it with a strong beat makes me want to insert a flowing break here.
00:14:944 (4,6) - I suggest you not to stacking this two objects but small overlap for clear reading.
By the time 6 fades in, the other notes already faded out. And remember this is an extra diff. Reading is another aspect of complicated map aesthetics.
00:19:647 - stream actually started from here. 00:19:809 (2,3) - I expected to have circles instead of reverse 1/4 slider because it is extra diff, similar with 00:08:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
I would rather not doing so. The streams occupied by the current sliders are not as loud as 00:20:458 (4,5,6,7) - , and it really doesn't sound like 00:08:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
00:22:080 (1) - this is 3/4 slider, then why not 00:23:377 (1) - ? why not for those have similar vocal rhythm like 00:21:431 (4) - 00:22:728 (3) - ?
Because the "Ko" sound is louder than any other sounds here, and it sustains longer.
00:25:323 (3) - change to circle triplet?
Doing so will make here overly emphasized.
00:25:647 (4) - this beat is quite strong, jump?
I think not. It is at the middle of the calm section of the first part of the song. Making jump here would make it straining.
00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this rhythm can be much more fun to play, like 01:00:998 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - or even this. Stacking seems even boring than my pattern in hard diff.
I know this is quite boring, but making them to a less variation prepare players to hit the burst at 00:30:836 (7,8,9,10) -
00:33:107 (3,4) - not clear to read.
I think it is fine. I mapped trapezium shaped by circles here and players can quickly realize that and being able to hit them.
00:47:377 (3,4) - stacking Changed 00:47:377 (3) - to x:135 y:239
00:51:917 (1,2,3,4) - I don't disagree to use this rhythm, but this pattern seems much more easier than Hard diff. See if this pattern feel better?
Spaced them more, to 1.2x of original.
00:56:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this pattern is good. But 00:56:944 (7,1) - should be having larger ds than 00:56:782 (6,7) -
The vocal sounds give a hint on the music is going to be calm again. So a decreasing DS here looks fine.
00:57:107 (1,2,3) - this rhythm is same as 00:59:701 (4,5,1) - if you stack circle 1 and 2, then it is more reasonable to stack circle 4 and 5 also. btw, 00:59:701 (4) - nc. This is to create resemblance 00:57:107 (1,2,3) - for 01:00:998 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - . And agree for the NC
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Overall, flowing can be much more better. Some flow-breaking are for emphasizing strong beats, but some just quite meaningless to do so, like 00:14:782 (3,4) - 00:21:431 (4,5) - 00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:23:053 (4,5,1) - 00:26:620 (3,4,5) - etc. I am not the only modder to talk about flowing, but I think I am not the last one if you do not work on it. I'll see if I can make it better sometime
Object-placement can be better, now I can only feel that you use high ds to rise SR, like 00:13:323 (2,3,4,5,6) - , especially in kiai time, which I don't really agree to it. I think you need to know which beat should be emphasized and place a relatively high ds there.The DS change is reasonably designed in this map I guess..
If you can use high SR but I can't feel it is un-reasonable, then.... it's great.
Rhythm, I can see you tried to use extended slider, but I think you are still not familiar with it. 00:02:620 (1,2) - 00:07:161 (4,5) - and 00:22:080 (1,2) - both are okay to use extended slider, the problem is about consistency only.
Maybe.

Thanks for your time and help! Kyle

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Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-19T18:58:26+00:00

You totally deserve kudosu for that Kyle

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-20T03:23:21+00:00

J a c k wrote:
You totally deserve kudosu for that Kyle

um.... please refer to kudosu rules. Because I separated into two posts of modding, and it is still count as one.
So, I write no kudosu. That kudosu will be declined soon by others, never mind.

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-20T17:31:43+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:
M4M request

I talked about the problems in this mapset to Jack before, except my gd (because I cannot self mod). Problem in Easy, Normal diff is not that serious, but of course quality could be much more higher. So, I focus on insanes this time.

Elcheer's Insane
00:00:026 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - at this part, you use clickable objects for EVERY vocal, but in 00:05:539 (3,5) - you didn't. Actually, this rhythm is similar to 00:00:350 (3,4,6,7) - . So I think it is better to keep consistence here. i think how i have it is better to emphasize drums
00:08:458 (3) - This is an Insane diff, so I supposed to have jumping 1/4 slider. At the same this, it can emphasize the beat 00:08:458 -
and 00:08:782 (4) - by using a jump here. 00:08:782 - this is a strong beat, so I don't think overlapping is a suitable choice here. (similar modding applied to 01:27:593 (3) - ) would rather not
00:19:809 (2,3,4) - I don't disagree you use stacking stream, but at least you need to stack 00:20:052 (5) - also. 00:20:052 (5) - is not a strong beat but 00:20:134 - instead. it is more reasonable that 00:20:052 (5) - is in stacking stream and 00:20:133 (1) - in the normal stream. fixed
00:20:782 - this part share the same rhythm as the very beginning 00:00:026 - . I think you can use different pattern but still same rhythm for consistency. imo it's fine the way it is, feels different than the very start anyways
00:25:566 - this triplet sound is quite loud, skipping this sound seems quite weird. fixed
00:30:350 (4) - I guess it is more reasonable to stack 00:31:161 - but not 00:31:080 - . fixed
00:41:539 (1,2) - you use stacking slider end for 1/2 rhythm here but 00:42:836 (5,1) - 1/1 rhythm follow by, so it is really good to do so? You use this pattern for twice only, other position is 01:10:728 (4,5) - . 01:11:053 - got a strong beat sound, so I don't think stacking is a good choice there. 00:42:025 (2) - still got a soft beat sound, but not too loud. If this pattern is not widely use across the map, I think it is better avoid it. fixed
00:51:188 (3) - if this pattern is widely used to represent 1/4 snapping in the map, then I think it is okay. BUT you only used for once only, and the visual distance is similar to 1/2 snapping like 00:52:890 (5,1) - , I think it should be avoided. suggested use simiar pattern as 00:40:566 (3,4,1) - . fixed
in kiai time, overlapping problem appeared. some overlaps like 01:04:728 (1,4) - 01:05:539 (4,3) - 01:07:161 (5,2,4) - 01:12:512 (1,4) - etc. I suggested to avoid these overlap because it is not really good in looking. Play area is so large, why should they overlap? fixed all
01:24:998 (4,5) - same rhythm with 01:30:188 (4,5,6) - 01:32:782 (4,5,6,7) - but different combination of circle and sliders. Please make them consistence. fixed all but last, i think that one's fine
Strong beats: 00:24:674 - 00:27:269 (1) - 00:51:917 (1) - 01:06:025 (1) - 01:13:809 (1) - 01:17:701 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - missing jumping to emphasize strong beat sounds. especially 00:51:917 (1) -, although you tried to put into a pattern, but it is not suitable to use this pattern here, because of the strong beats. fixed
nc should be at 00:42:836 (5) - instead of 00:43:485 (1) - , because you put nc every big white ticks (or red tick before), it is better to keep consistent. fixed
00:45:431 (5) - 00:48:025 (5) - missing nc fixed

that was a lot

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Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-21T18:14:55+00:00

Elcheer wrote:
that was a lot

Elcheer: Really sorry about it. I cannot stop myself.

[]
I found that I missed a modding:

Arphimigon wrote:
[Ky's Hard]
00:40:890 (4,5) - In terms of size, these are almost indistinguishable from the 1/2 sliders and there isn't really much to show that they are 1/3. Try doing something? A different slider shape, a NC, a different SV, anything? nc.
00:51:431 (3) - Two notes perhaps? Kinda feels dull to end on a slider end here before a small pause when both sounds here are pretty stronk Both are okay.
1) Although both beats are strong here, I think using slider here can show the different between clam part (less dense) and normal part(more dense).
2) I didn't use the rhythm you suggested in the rest of the map, so I think it is better to prevent.

extra edit:
00:41:539 (1,2) - ds in clam part changed to 1.3x snapped, many modder pointed out that the objects in this part just touch each other, and it is hard to fix with ds 1.20x
00:48:350 (1,2,3) - remain 1.20 ds (intended)

update!!

osu file format v14

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Countdown: 0
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TitleUnicode:弱者の宣言
Artist:HoneyWorks feat. Gero
ArtistUnicode:HoneyWorks feat. Gero
Creator:J a c k
Version:Ky's Hard
Source:
Tags:EGOIST Jack J_a_c_k Irohas MugiwaraSekai Kyle_Y Elcheer -Space- Faputa Poii
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Karee Pan

185 posts

Joined December 2015

Karee Pan 2018-02-22T12:00:22+00:00

What do you mean late ? Better than never right ?

[Poii's Muzukashii]
00:23:215 (89) - k here would separate the bassdrums and add some depth to the guitar pitch dropping.
00:31:485 - You could add another 3plet in this section somewhere to map it a bit more intense than the previous section now that the drums have kicked in.
00:38:134 - ^ Here too
00:47:215 (172,179) - You could consider deleting these triplets (and then remap the section a bit cause k spam) I think it works better with the way you start this section and also has better spread with Oni.
00:55:485 (198) - I think this should match the previous note.
01:13:404 (269) - Dont think this is necessary ?
01:27:593 (338) - d would emphasize the next note more, could even consider another d at 01:27:755 -

[Poii's Oni]
00:19:809 (97) - k flows so much better and emphasizes the ddk ddk coming up more.
00:34:728 - A bit awkward with the two 3plets here, you could just move 00:34:809 (23) - to 00:35:215 - and map it kkddk
00:35:701 - Consider kdk_d, i think it suits better.
00:54:188 (116) - d would separate this one from the upcoming k_k one more
01:06:188 (169) - Would delete this to match the way you map the long vocals in the kiai.
01:08:863 (186) - You could consider moving this triplet to 01:08:701 - and adding another one 01:09:998 - to be consistent with the way you map sets with two 3plets in the kiai.

It's good! This is mostly personal preferences.
Good luck with the set!

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-02-22T12:19:23+00:00

Karee Pan wrote:
What do you mean late ? Better than never right ? Panda my Friend, glad to see you again

[Poii's Muzukashii]
00:23:215 (89) - k here would separate the bassdrums and add some depth to the guitar pitch dropping. its vocal
00:31:485 - You could add another 3plet in this section somewhere to map it a bit more intense than the previous section now that the drums have kicked in.
00:38:134 - ^ Here too add somthing
00:47:215 (172,179) - You could consider deleting these triplets (and then remap the section a bit cause k spam) I think it works better with the way you start this section and also has better spread with Oni. adjust it a lil
00:55:485 (198) - I think this should match the previous note. kat
01:13:404 (269) - Dont think this is necessary ? ithink its ok
01:27:593 (338) - d would emphasize the next note more, could even consider another d at 01:27:755 - don

[Poii's Oni]
00:19:809 (97) - k flows so much better and emphasizes the ddk ddk coming up more. doesnt fit with the kick
00:34:728 - A bit awkward with the two 3plets here, you could just move 00:34:809 (23) - to 00:35:215 - and map it kkddk did something
00:35:701 - Consider kdk_d, i think it suits better.did smth
00:54:188 (116) - d would separate this one from the upcoming k_k one more smth smth
01:06:188 (169) - Would delete this to match the way you map the long vocals in the kiai.
01:08:863 (186) - You could consider moving this triplet to 01:08:701 - and adding another one 01:09:998 - to be consistent with the way you map sets with two 3plets in the kiai. okay

It's good! This is mostly personal preferences.
Good luck with the set!

Oni

Muzu

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-24T17:16:07+00:00

Desperation

If you choose remapping spacing after reading this modding, please consider to rise the SR also.
Remapping only means re-locate the objects with the given rhythm, doesn't mean mapping from zero.
Also, it doesn't mean you need to find a number of modding afterward if quality is acceptable to rank.

-----------------(major)---------------
(!) I think you should work more on spacing, currently the objects got similar spacing because you used distance snapped? turn out it will be less emphasizing effect. Please pay attention on which beats are stronger, and which are much more stronger to have a comparison, and place with a suitable spacing. here are some examples:
00:01:809 - is weak, 00:01:971 - more stronger, 00:02:620 - much more stronger.
00:10:566 - is weak, 00:10:728 - and 00:10:890 - beat stronger, 00:10:890 - stronger vocal (need to emphasize?) , 00:11:539 - much more stronger (highest among four, or break flowing?)
(!) Some 1/1 slider can be break into 1/2 sliders or circles and it seems more reasonable, like 00:00:674 (4) -. Slider end got a weak emphasizing effect than clickable objects. Comparison again, 00:00:998 - vocal is stronger than 00:01:161 - , so at least 00:00:998 - need to be a clickable object here, and 00:01:161 - depends. This principle apply on the rest of the map, like 00:13:485 (4) - 01:03:431 (1) - etc.
Some 1/1 slider is reasonable like 01:02:134 (1) - because slider end is weak.
(O) I think you are following vocal most of the time, so I think 00:31:161 - should be place this rhythm. because 00:31:647 - this got vocal sound but 00:31:971 - don't:

another common rhythm is as below, circle 5 and 6, because it is more easy to emphasized 00:32:458 - . 00:32:134 (5,1) - slider to slider is hard to break-flow to emphasized beats (slider usually got drop-off flow)

If you want to remain the rhythm, I suggest you stacking 00:31:809 (3,4) - because movement stopped here and moving to object 5 got a emphasized effect to the stronger vocal here. um... this placement seems good here to emphasize 00:32:458 - . (still modding on rest of the rhythm like 00:32:458 - to 00:38:944 - )

-----------------(minor)---------------
(O) 00:25:566 - missing beat
(O) 00:40:890 (1,2) - This is the highest diff, you can tried different rhythm like circles in 1/3 snapped, or this rhythm is also fun to play:

In fact, Insane diff also got the same problem, because you use similar rhythm as Extra diff. Spacing problem still happened in Insane diff, like 00:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4) - . I saw you tried to use pentagon here (not drawn well). If it is light insane diff (or known as hyper diff), then jumping at 00:10:728 (3,4) - is acceptable.

I just mod insane diff next time, if I have time.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-25T10:39:46+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:
Desperation
If you choose remapping spacing after reading this modding, please consider to rise the SR also. Why would I raise the SR?
Remapping only means re-locate the objects with the given rhythm, doesn't mean mapping from zero.
Also, it doesn't mean you need to find a number of modding afterward if quality is acceptable to rank.

-----------------(major)---------------
(!) I think you should work more on spacing, currently the objects got similar spacing because you used distance snapped? turn out it will be less emphasizing effect. Please pay attention on which beats are stronger, and which are much more stronger to have a comparison, and place with a suitable spacing. here are some examples:
00:01:809 - is weak, 00:01:971 - more stronger, 00:02:620 - much more stronger.
00:10:566 - is weak, 00:10:728 - and 00:10:890 - beat stronger, 00:10:890 - stronger vocal (need to emphasize?) , 00:11:539 - much more stronger (highest among four, or break flowing?) Well, the thing is that I can't really emphasize everything at once. There are vocals, some sort of drum beats and piano sounds and since the vocals and drum beats are very monotonous, I decided to give the sliders with piano sounds a little more spacing because a modder suggested it. But the difference is still small because it's the intro and I feel like more or less consistent spacing fits very well so I'm not going to make the spacing significantly bigger anywhere in this section. I fixed something though.
(!) Some 1/1 slider can be break into 1/2 sliders or circles and it seems more reasonable, like 00:00:674 (4) -. Slider end got a weak emphasizing effect than clickable objects. Comparison again, 00:00:998 - vocal is stronger than 00:01:161 - , so at least 00:00:998 - need to be a clickable object here, and 00:01:161 - depends. This principle apply on the rest of the map, like 00:13:485 (4) - 01:03:431 (1) - etc.
Some 1/1 slider is reasonable like 01:02:134 (1) - because slider end is weak. I don't follow that logic in my map. In my opinion, using a 1/1 slider represents those parts of the song better since it's a prolonged sound that lasts until the next sound which is 1 beat after it. If I used a 1/2 instead,
I would basically break it in the middle which doesn't fit as well. Sliderends can also be used for sounds that are equally important as the ones on sliderheads so yeah I think the way I used them works perfectly.
(O) I think you are following vocal most of the time, so I think 00:31:161 - should be place this rhythm. because 00:31:647 - this got vocal sound but 00:31:971 - don't:
No I'm literally following the drums, idc about vocals in this section
another common rhythm is as below, circle 5 and 6, because it is more easy to emphasized 00:32:458 - . 00:32:134 (5,1) - slider to slider is hard to break-flow to emphasized beats (slider usually got drop-off flow)
I use this flow for most of this part, I don't see anything wrong with it?
If you want to remain the rhythm, I suggest you stacking 00:31:809 (3,4) - because movement stopped here and moving to object 5 got a emphasized effect to the stronger vocal here. um... this placement seems good here to emphasize 00:32:458 - . (still modding on rest of the rhythm like 00:32:458 - to 00:38:944 - ) I only use stacks if there is something special to emphasize but in this case there is nothing like that

-----------------(minor)---------------
(O) 00:25:566 - missing beat I don't map these sounds
(O) 00:40:890 (1,2) - This is the highest diff, you can tried different rhythm like circles in 1/3 snapped, or this rhythm is also fun to play:
I don't like it, I simply prefer keeping reverse sliders.

In fact, Insane diff also got the same problem, because you use similar rhythm as Extra diff. Spacing problem still happened in Insane diff, like 00:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4) - . I saw you tried to use pentagon here (not drawn well). If it is light insane diff (or known as hyper diff), then jumping at 00:10:728 (3,4) - is acceptable. I fixed that pattern

I just mod insane diff next time, if I have time.

Irohas

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Irohas 2018-02-26T10:47:52+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
woah

[Irohas' Normal]
00:14:944 (1,2) - So there's a NC on the first note of this, why not 00:20:134 (5,6) - ? I guess it does sound a little quieter and stuff, but it's just odd with only one NC out of place like that. there's no finish emphasis here
00:48:998 (5,1) - and 00:54:836 (2,3) - there's two blankets to fix did

thx

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Spayyce

693 posts

Joined December 2013

Spayyce 2018-03-02T17:23:48+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Space's Insane]
00:11:539 (1,2) - the angle when we go for the second note is really sharp, i suggest to slightly curve this slider 00:11:539 (1) - like this https://puu.sh/znRfO.png to make a bit more intuitive Alright changed
01:17:863 - Why change hitsound ? It feels really weird already explained

Kyle Y wrote:
M4M request

Space's Insane
00:07:890 - 00:08:053 - 00:08:215 - I cannot hear 1/4 sounds, please further confirm if any over-map here. Removed first 1/4 stack, 2nd one is introductary on the vocal pitch shift
00:08:458 (3,4) - 00:28:890 (2,3,4) - 00:56:134 (2,3,4) - because it is an 5-star map, I think it is not that good to use reverse slider here. Players suppose to have a higher intensity map for higher SR. Please use 1/4 slider jump or stream instead. I really hate streams + jump and I feel slider jumps would be way too extreme
00:49:971 (3) - should be a slider like 00:49:323 (1,2) - ? If you want to keep circle here, I guess 00:49:323 (1,2) - should change to circle also becasue both of them are vocal sound. If you remain, then please nc 00:50:296 (4) - because it is more clear to read between 1/2 and 1/1 snapped objects. Removed 2nd slider, kept first one due to it being on a downbeat.
00:51:431 - strong beat sound here, it should not be a slider end but clickable object to emphasize the beat. You're right, changed this to notes instead of sliders.
00:53:215 (1,2) - why here change to follow vocal so sudden. at the same time, 00:54:512 (1,2) - is follow beat again for similar things. There is no profound music to map to.
00:57:755 (3) - this slider seems weird here. Your followed vocal here, but 00:58:080 - this sound should not be slider end because it is major vocal sound. at the same time, 00:58:890 - should be delete because there is no vocal sound for you to follow. Kept first slider for consistent and removed note for vocal sound consistency.
01:17:620 (6) - any sound? changed
01:17:863 (1,2,3,4) - 01:19:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this jump do not fit thr song here. There is no strong beat, then why this jump should be jump? The only reason I can think of it to rise SR, but osu! is a rhythm game..... Please map based on the songs. There is a very clear jump in intensity,
the guitar has profoundly changed and his vocals are getting progressive here, in line with the difficulty buildup.
These two set of jump consist of 0.2 stars.... that's mean it is pp jump. Nothing wrong with pp jumps.
01:25:647 (1) - 01:30:836 (1) - this rhythm repeated 01:23:053 (1,2,3) - . and there is no reason for you to skip the strong sound 01:25:809 - . Forgot to add sharp curvature.
01:30:836 (1,3) - this flowing is not that smooth, please try to fix it. The cursor won't be moving for the majority of the slider, especially the beginning.

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