HoneyWorks feat. Gero - Jakusha no Sengen [Osu|Taiko] · forum

Poii

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-01-26T06:35:13+00:00

Axer wrote:
from my Q

Poii's Oni
00:51:188 - there's a sound here, make this pattern ddk
01:32:944 - there's also a sound here, would suggest placing a don there

Poii's Muzukashii
01:15:107 (279) - make this finisher so it stays consistent with the previous finisher placement
01:20:296 (303,309) - ^ i dont use any finisher in this point in both diff

diffs are pretty decent imo!!
Good luck ><!!!

Oni

_Epreus

660 posts

Joined October 2015

_Epreus 2018-01-26T13:21:48+00:00

ky's hard

00:33:755 (1) - I think youd rather delete hitclap on sliderend

00:44:782 (2,3) - i guess here is following instrument but 00:45:755 (1,2,3) - here is following vocal.. alternative following isnt that suitable for hard diff since it can make player to miss

01:24:188 (1,2,3,4) - here is same with 00:11:539 (1,2,3,4) - but has different pattern.

01:30:188 (3,4) - ^

insane

00:52:566 (4) - stack sliderend to 00:51:431 (3) - here?

fapu's extra

00:04:242 (2,3,4,5,6) - I dont get why you used stream pattern here.. here doesnt have drum spam sound or another instrumental or vocal..

00:05:215 (1) - I think this can get more distance since here has strong sound and should be emphasized

00:09:107 (5) - can you nc this for drum's end?

00:12:350 (3) - I think you could stack this to 00:11:377 (5) - here

00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - can you make them at least low spaced triangles or etc? here has difference of instrument's tone so..

00:40:890 (6) - nc for 1/3 sliders?

01:17:539 (6,1) - arent they so close? can you give them more distance by doing ctrl g or etc?

desperation

00:03:755 (4,1) - I think here should be longer distance to emphasize piano sound. can you try to change like stacking 00:03:755 (4,1) - this to 00:04:566 (3) - its sliderend or something else?

00:06:836 (3,4,5) - try to make this pattern same with previous one. If you wanna keep please consider making same slider's route from here and 00:05:539 (3,4,5) here since both they have different route.

00:06:674 (2,3) - distance here is 1.74 but distance 00:05:377 (2,3) - here is 2.33 even though I think thats repeat of this part.

00:20:782 (1) - I feel like notes from here ~ 00:40:566 (3) - are crowded too much on right side..

00:54:512 (1,2,3,4) - how about ctrl g here? I think it has more smooth flow.

01:17:377 (4,5,6) - can you make them not to be in same spot? each of them has piano sound on it and it deserves to get these notes aparted
01:20:944 (3) - this isnt stacked perfectly to 01:20:134 (5) - here. is it on purpose?

01:22:890 (8,1) - seems like here is too close. 01:23:053 (1) - here is start of guitar so it deserved to get more larger distance.

its short because I cant find more problem. its a cool map good luck!

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-01-26T14:56:19+00:00

Nikakis wrote:
~Hello J a c k , from my modding queue!

Easy:
My main concern on this difficulty is that you skipped a lot of important vocals in Kiai and the rhythm ends up really boring with no rhythm density at all.I'm talking about these 01:03:431 - , 01:06:025 - , 01:13:809 - , 01:16:404 - .Since you map this vocal sound 01:02:134 (1) - , then you should definitely continue mapping these red ticks with 1/1 sliders 01:03:431 - .3/2 sliders are too long sliders and don't really fit in this part of the song. It's not really possible to map all important sounds in an Easy diff because I would have to use 1/2 rhythm which should be avoided as much as possible
00:44:782 (1,2) - : These look quite weird visually, they don't really have some type of chemistry speaking of flow.You could try making 00:44:782 (1) - circular and blanket it under 00:45:755 (2) - , like that https://puu.sh/z9H4o/2542666f6e.png . Can't really do much here because of distance snap
Insane:
00:10:404 (1,2,3) - , 00:12:998 (1,2,3) - , 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - , 00:18:188 (1,2,3) - : Please be consistent with spacings, sometimes you space (2) more than (3) or the opposite.Actually, you should space these sounds like this 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - because (3) is too weak based in sound or just space them all equally like you do in Desperation difficulty. You can't really compare two diffs that are completely different difficulty-wise. While I try to keep the distance more or less equal, I mainly focus on flow and aesthetics in my patterns so yeah
01:32:296 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - : In my opinion, that's overmapping, this part of the song contains only guitar melody, not any intense drum beats in order to map circles like that.Sliders would fit better. You can clearly hear that the guitar sounds are a lot stronger than elsewhere in the map so it's justified imo

That's it I think, such a cute set & song.Good luck!~

Thank you :3

_Epreus wrote:
insane
00:52:566 (4) - stack sliderend to 00:51:431 (3) - here? Yeah but it's not noticeable while playing and it would require me to change the whole pattern ._.

desperation
00:03:755 (4,1) - I think here should be longer distance to emphasize piano sound. can you try to change like stacking 00:03:755 (4,1) - this to 00:04:566 (3) - its sliderend or something else? The distance is the same as on the other notes that have piano sounds

00:06:836 (3,4,5) - try to make this pattern same with previous one. If you wanna keep please consider making same slider's route from here and 00:05:539 (3,4,5) here since both they have different route. I think it's fine honestly

00:06:674 (2,3) - distance here is 1.74 but distance 00:05:377 (2,3) - here is 2.33 even though I think thats repeat of this part. This is due to some changes I had to make regarding flow and overlaps, the difference is actually not very big

00:20:782 (1) - I feel like notes from here ~ 00:40:566 (3) - are crowded too much on right side.. Doesn't matter imo

00:54:512 (1,2,3,4) - how about ctrl g here? I think it has more smooth flow. I don't like it, the flow would be completely broken right before the jump pattern

01:17:377 (4,5,6) - can you make them not to be in same spot? each of them has piano sound on it and it deserves to get these notes aparted No that would be weird
01:20:944 (3) - this isnt stacked perfectly to 01:20:134 (5) - here. is it on purpose? Fixed

01:22:890 (8,1) - seems like here is too close. 01:23:053 (1) - here is start of guitar so it deserved to get more larger distance. Fixed

its short because I cant find more problem. its a cool map good luck!

Thanks!

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-01-27T20:05:03+00:00

Nikakis wrote:
Elcheer's Insane:
00:10:404 (1,2,3) - , 00:12:998 (1,2,3) - , 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - , 00:18:188 (1,2,3) - : Same like above, be consistent with the spacings.Make them all the same or space them equally.Visual spacing is ok in general, but stuff like that 00:15:593 (1,2) - is too much in my opinion.
00:27:593 (2,3) - : lol, the vocals are going totally wild here and you make this tiny spacing between them which they feel really underemphasized in my opinion.I recommend to use x:433 & y:130 for (2) and x:491 & y:238 for (3).

fixed both, thanks!

kono power wa!

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Tyistiana

osu! Alumni

541 posts

Joined February 2012

Tyistiana 2018-01-28T06:08:02+00:00

Hi~
from my queue =w=

[

Poii's Muzukashii]
00:07:485 (20,21,22) - How about dkD to match the Oni difficulty, and it would follow the vocal better imo.
00:17:701 - How about move to 00:18:350 to follow the noticeable guitar sound? (00:18:836 - moves to 00:18:674 - as well)

[

Poii's Oni]
Might raise OD to 5.5 or 6 to make a difference to Muzukashii difficulty.
00:23:863 (120,121) - Might Ctrl+G to make a invert gimmick from 00:23:053 (116,117,118)
00:26:620 - d might emphasize the vocal here better imo.

Good luck!~

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-01-28T07:28:14+00:00

Tyistiana wrote:
Hi~
from my queue =w=

[ Poii's Muzukashii]
00:07:485 (20,21,22) - How about dkD to match the Oni difficulty, and it would follow the vocal better imo.
00:17:701 - How about move to 00:18:350 to follow the noticeable guitar sound? (00:18:836 - moves to 00:18:674 - as well) 00:15:755 - consistency with this

[ Poii's Oni]
Might raise OD to 5.5 or 6 to make a difference to Muzukashii difficulty.
00:23:863 (120,121) - Might Ctrl+G to make a invert gimmick from 00:23:053 (116,117,118) [b]doesnt go well with the vocal[/b]
00:26:620 - d might emphasize the vocal here better imo. 00:26:458 (130,131) - and 00:26:944 (132,133) - have same vocal

Good luck!~

ty tyis

Muzukashii

JACK can you change my OD in Oni to 6 ? thanks :3, just the OD

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2018-01-29T19:46:25+00:00

Ciao. From modding queue
General

Personally, I don't think using your current soft-hitnormal fits in the song, It's very annoying to play and hear. You should use that one when the drum has more prominence than the guitar, but it's not in this case. I'd use something softer and not too rough, or just use the default one.

Desperation

00:32:458 (1) - This part feels weak compared to the other patterns, since you're using jumps every new combo color I would expect a jump in this place like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10131910 Same goes for 00:36:350 (1) - , 00:37:647 (1) - (Emphasize the finish hitsound!)
00:41:539 (1) - When you use low SV in a song with intense patterns as your Extra, I recommend you to place the first note, in this case (1), a bit different than 00:40:890 (1,2) -.Why do I say this? It's because you started to map more "passive" after using a lot of jumps, so the best way to apprise the player of change of rhythm, is using a proper DS for every SV change you do. Try this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10131988 or this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10131994
00:42:836 - There's nothing here that you could emphasize with NCs here, so remove it. Same goes for 00:45:593 (1) - 00:48:188 (1) - .
00:50:782 (5) - NC combo here and add NC here 00:51:269 (1) - It should work better with the guitars
01:17:215 (3) - This jump isn't nice since there is not any strong vocal, guitar or instrument that can fulfill that note. I would decrease the distance and increase it in the next triplet 01:17:377 (4,5,6) - right to 01:17:701 (1) - . Take a look to my idea https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132053
01:18:188 (2) - ^ Same explanation as above, try moving it grids above like x100 y256
01:20:782 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - This doesn't look well in my opinion. I mean, the idea is perfect but it's not well executed. The trick of many mappers for star jumps is to use the polygon tool (ctrl+shift+D) and make the shape you're looking for. Then, move partially the notes you want to emphasize more the drum, and decrease the DS to the low ones. It would work much better instead of using a huge and random ds suddenly. It should look like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132092 it is not needed to look exactly like this, but it's an example of a clean shape with soft angles.

Fapu's Extra

01:00:998 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - I'd make this pattern of NCs https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132178 When I was playing, I really messed up with that part. With this change, it's more legible imo.
01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,6) - These jumps are really forced. The strong notes starts just in 01:03:107 (5,6) - so, there should be the jumps, not before.
01:17:377 (4,5,6,1) - For consistency, you should increase the DS between these notes so it doesn't break the flow.

The kiai is really overdone with jumps, I don't really justify it for the intensity of the song. In general, your patterns are pretty well made, aesthetically, and rhythmically too! I would just nerf the kiai.

Space's Insane

00:10:890 (3,4) - I don't have to explain too much in this one. Use ctrl+G in these two notes. The slider goes better with the guitar sound.
00:11:539 (5,1) - The strong note is the red tick, not the white one. So, you should invert that pattern plus the finish hitsound. You did it here as well 00:14:134 (1) -
00:14:620 (2,3,4,5,1) - Personally, this bothered me a bit since you're using 1/1 notes when you could map more the drum either the guitar, and it feels inconsistent with the same DS .
01:17:458 (4,5,6,7,8) - this stream is overmapping. I heard with 25% of playback rate and I can only hear a triplet until 01:17:539 - , the rest is 1/2. So you must change.

3 diffs as I promised.

higher difficulties need more polishment, but it's nothing with hard work you cannot fix!
Any question, don't hesitate in asking. Good luck!!!!!

Spayyce

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Spayyce 2018-01-30T16:23:58+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Space's Insane
00:10:890 (3,4) - I don't have to explain too much in this one. Use ctrl+G in these two notes. The slider goes better with the guitar sound. Changed
00:11:539 (5,1) - The strong note is the red tick, not the white one. So, you should invert that pattern plus the finish hitsound. You did it here as well 00:14:134 (1) - Also changed
00:14:620 (2,3,4,5,1) - Personally, this bothered me a bit since you're using 1/1 notes when you could map more the drum either the guitar, and it feels inconsistent with the same DS . Mentioned in previous mods why I am keeping this.
01:17:458 (4,5,6,7,8) - this stream is overmapping. I heard with 25% of playback rate and I can only hear a triplet until 01:17:539 - , the rest is 1/2. So you must change. Changed.

3 diffs as I promised.

higher difficulties need more polishment, but it's nothing with hard work you cannot fix!
Any question, don't hesitate in asking. Good luck!!!!!

Thank you for mod

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Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-01T18:02:50+00:00

Cloudchaser wrote:
Ciao. From modding queue
General
Personally, I don't think using your current soft-hitnormal fits in the song, It's very annoying to play and hear. You should use that one when the drum has more prominence than the guitar, but it's not in this case. I'd use something softer and not too rough, or just use the default one. Idk I think it's not that bad?
Desperation
00:32:458 (1) - This part feels weak compared to the other patterns, since you're using jumps every new combo color I would expect a jump in this place like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10131910 Same goes for 00:36:350 (1) - , 00:37:647 (1) - (Emphasize the finish hitsound!) I kinda prefer having consistent spacing in this section
00:41:539 (1) - When you use low SV in a song with intense patterns as your Extra, I recommend you to place the first note, in this case (1), a bit different than 00:40:890 (1,2) -.Why do I say this? It's because you started to map more "passive" after using a lot of jumps, so the best way to apprise the player of change of rhythm, is using a proper DS for every SV change you do. Try this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10131988 or this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10131994 Nah, there's no need to make a jump here. I think it's better if I keep it this way because they are close timing-wise
00:42:836 - There's nothing here that you could emphasize with NCs here, so remove it. Same goes for 00:45:593 (1) - 00:48:188 (1) - . I don't use NC for emphasis but rather for consistency (every 4 beats)
00:50:782 (5) - NC combo here and add NC here 00:51:269 (1) - It should work better with the guitars ^
01:17:215 (3) - This jump isn't nice since there is not any strong vocal, guitar or instrument that can fulfill that note. I would decrease the distance and increase it in the next triplet 01:17:377 (4,5,6) - right to 01:17:701 (1) - . Take a look to my idea https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132053 There is a drum actually and I think that the triple is emphasized perfectly this way
01:18:188 (2) - ^ Same explanation as above, try moving it grids above like x100 y256 Uhm this is a snare and the spacing is not even big
01:20:782 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - This doesn't look well in my opinion. I mean, the idea is perfect but it's not well executed. The trick of many mappers for star jumps is to use the polygon tool (ctrl+shift+D) and make the shape you're looking for. Then, move partially the notes you want to emphasize more the drum, and decrease the DS to the low ones. It would work much better instead of using a huge and random ds suddenly. It should look like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132092 it is not needed to look exactly like this, but it's an example of a clean shape with soft angles. This is not even supposed to be a star. It's not random either, just a vary basic jump pattern with high DS. I'm aware of the fact that the polygon tool should be used but it was not my intention
3 diffs as I promised.

higher difficulties need more polishment, but it's nothing with hard work you cannot fix!
Any question, don't hesitate in asking. Good luck!!!!!

Thanks!

Fursum

523 posts

Joined August 2014

Fursum 2018-02-02T10:26:48+00:00

henlo its q
[Desperation]

00:03:917 (1,2,3) - this rythm seems a reversed, the first two 1/2 sliders doesnt end on a distinct sound but the 1/1 slider skips over 00:04:728 - and 00:05:053 -

00:10:080 - could use a cilck as the guitar is pretty strong but the drop and vocal would lose some emphasis so thats up to you
if not, you could move the red anchor to the second notes position so the sliders edge would add some feedback to the sound

it fits with the slider design of kiai

01:04:728 (1) - 01:07:323 (1) - 01:09:917 (1) - 01:15:107 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - 01:23:053 (1) - etc
you have the finish hs so i assume you notice the stronger notes in the song but they are equally spaced and their entries arent really different from usual, so they lose a lot of emphasis. just a simple movement difference or more spacing would really help

[Fapu'sextra]

00:08:296 (2,3,1,2) - triple into this spacing is a bit overdone, contrasting the increase in spacing a bit more would be nice to emphasize the buildup
basically first notes much closer in spacing and last notes the same

00:51:593 (6,1) - you used a couple 1/1 stacks on halts so this makes me wonder why you have movement here

01:07:809 (2,3,4,5) - 01:09:107 (2,3,4,5) - theres the vocals on (4) which lost a bit of emphasis as you could break the flow to highlight them. right now the patterns doesnt really follow anything noticeable
you did the flowbreaks on next section though so i assume this was an oversight

01:22:728 (1,2,3,4) - this could be a curved stream with a bit more spacing to match the intensity better and for a better flow. straight > straight streams not rly gud

[Space's Insane]

As you have the stop over the guitar at the end of this section, dont skip over this 00:13:161 - guitar note to follow the guitar layer more consistently so that the stop at 00:14:944 - would be more expected

00:59:053 (4) - this seems a bit overemphasized for such a calm section. you could bring it more in line with 00:57:755 (3) - as you already have the higher note density for this vocal bit to bring out the emphasis

01:17:863 - pls use finishes less it sounds really overdone, or atleast not normal finishes but soft finishes

01:27:593 (3,4) - 01:32:782 (3,4) - for this section you follow the guitar layer much less closely so this 1/1 gap over the stop feels out of place. mapping the drums would be much more appropriate

[Elcheer's Insane]

00:00:026 (1,2,3,4) - the first verse is a bit overcrowded compared to 00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - where having more notes would be much more suitable as the intensity is higher and has the same amount of vocal notes

00:19:971 (4,1) - ohno please dont do streams separated with 1/4 sliders, it is really confusing to follow the rythm with the visuals. move 00:20:133 (1,2,3,4,5) - away so recognizing the kickslider would be much more easier and puts some emphasis needed for (1)

00:24:674 (1,2,3,4) - why did you increase the density when the layers are much calmer and theres the held vocal to follow which would reduce density. making it the same with 00:28:566 (1,2,3,4) - is not ideal

the points repeat itself a couple times throughout the map so yea check them out

[Insane]

00:53:863 (3,4) - dont use distance snap in cases like this where the player doesnt follow the full slider. this movement is much less intense and goes against the vocal that is behind it

ok cant mod low diffs sry
gl

Mekki

1,793 posts

Joined November 2014

Mekki 2018-02-02T21:52:45+00:00

soft hit-normal doesn't fit the song imo, it has really no relation at all with any beat in the song. remove it and check the map without it, default sounds represents the beats much better.

[easy]
00:29:863 (1) - NC here doesn't fit ur current comboing pattern.
01:00:998 (1,2) - don't use 1/2 here ur easy is already really dense and you put another 1/2! replace (2) for an 3/2 slider with an reverse (and yeah I know reverse would land on downbeat but that's no problem at all)

[insane]
00:08:621 (4,5,6) - have u considered replacing those for circles? songs are much stronger here I would like them to be different. just a suggestion tho 00:20:458 (6,7,8,9) - just like u done here
01:20:944 (3,5) - I'd remove the claps for this one, looks really spammed there and it gives more emphasys to where the real claps are 01:20:782 (2,4,6).

map looks ok i didn't check extra diffs cuz no time but u managed to get LOTS of mod and improved it a lot already. good luck.

Firebool

680 posts

Joined March 2015

Firebool 2018-02-04T09:53:47+00:00

Wow. There is a big thread.

Desperation

SV here - 1.4
Prev diff SV - 2
It is usually understood that the higher the complexity, the greater SV
Too much free space in the corners for this diff. Besides too mich wierd overlaps like this 00:31:809 (3,1) -00:33:269 (4,2) - 00:34:566 (4,3) -
00:36:998 (3,4,5) - actually obtuse angles not a good idea at all. In this diff there are some of that and too much angles around 90 degrees
00:36:674 (2,4,5) - (2) not in the middle of (4,5) .
00:41:215 (2,1) - u should increase space here like this https://yadi.sk/i/yNx_anEh3S5HPE
00:45:593 (1,2) - In this part u are follow drums, 00:46:080 (3,4) - in this by vocal. 00:46:566 - and there u missed note. All this part u can follw the drums tho
00:55:809 (1,6,8) - On the same level. does not look very nice
00:56:782 (7,1) - why. all this part u can move downer 00:57:107 (1,1,1) - https://yadi.sk/i/Kz8qink13S5Heo
01:12:188 (4,5,6,7,1) - it sound like with a big spacing, but i got it that u want to copy this part from the beginning and you want to endure one style.
01:14:620 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - i saw this part before. Why copy. uninteresting.
01:17:215 (3,1) - bad idea. out of conception. It is necessary to withstand the style, not to confuse with different ideas. This, in this case, is suitable for another type of maps. It would also be understandable if you would mapped all the similar moments in the map, but you used it only once, which casts doubt on your conception.
01:22:890 (8,1,2) - angle after stream part is to wheeeeeeeeeeeee (crazy)
01:26:782 (1) - realy? give him some angle
01:28:566 (3,1) - Okay, not once. But note not in the middle of a slider. And again its not sutable for this kind of musik.
01:31:971 (1) - some angle too
01:32:620 (4,1) - more space & without overlap plz https://yadi.sk/i/yoO0jNle3S5JDF
Very raw map, which is strange, given the number of kds and mods

Approximately the same remarks to Fapu's Extra & Space's . Too much wierd overlaps. U HAVE ALL AREA, why overlapping

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-04T14:56:04+00:00

_Epreus wrote:
[ky's hard]00:33:755 (1) - I think youd rather delete hitclap on sliderend Fixed, repeated modding with Nikakis.

00:44:782 (2,3) - i guess here is following instrument but 00:45:755 (1,2,3) - here is following vocal.. alternative following isnt that suitable for hard diff since it can make player to miss nice catch.

01:24:188 (1,2,3,4) - here is same with 00:11:539 (1,2,3,4) - but has different pattern.

01:30:188 (3,4) - ^ nice catch again.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-04T15:57:14+00:00

Fursum wrote:
henlo its q
[Desperation]

00:03:917 (1,2,3) - this rythm seems a reversed, the first two 1/2 sliders doesnt end on a distinct sound but the 1/1 slider skips over 00:04:728 - and 00:05:053 - This is to emphasize the strong drums that follow the 1/1 slider

00:10:080 - could use a cilck as the guitar is pretty strong but the drop and vocal would lose some emphasis so thats up to you
if not, you could move the red anchor to the second notes position so the sliders edge would add some feedback to the sound
it fits with the slider design of kiai
I prefer following the vocal here

01:04:728 (1) - 01:07:323 (1) - 01:09:917 (1) - 01:15:107 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - 01:23:053 (1) - etc
you have the finish hs so i assume you notice the stronger notes in the song but they are equally spaced and their entries arent really different from usual, so they lose a lot of emphasis. just a simple movement difference or more spacing would really help It doesn't need to be emphasized in every possible way. The distance is actually a little bigger than usual (I know it's not much but still) and yeah it's also emphasized by hs and the fact that it's a slider so I don't think there needs to be added anything else

[Insane]

00:53:863 (3,4) - dont use distance snap in cases like this where the player doesnt follow the full slider. this movement is much less intense and goes against the vocal that is behind it The player doesn't follow the full slider in most cases, I'll stick to distance snap

ok cant mod low diffs sry
gl

thanks

MkGuh wrote:
soft hit-normal doesn't fit the song imo, it has really no relation at all with any beat in the song. remove it and check the map without it, default sounds represents the beats much better. Ok I deleted it

[easy]
00:29:863 (1) - NC here doesn't fit ur current comboing pattern. Fixed
01:00:998 (1,2) - don't use 1/2 here ur easy is already really dense and you put another 1/2! replace (2) for an 3/2 slider with an reverse (and yeah I know reverse would land on downbeat but that's no problem at all) Fixed even though I don't like it at all but apparently many people have a problem with this

[insane]
00:08:621 (4,5,6) - have u considered replacing those for circles? songs are much stronger here I would like them to be different. just a suggestion tho 00:20:458 (6,7,8,9) - just like u done here I get your point but I don't like having too many streams in a low sr insane, when will people stop complaining about this part lmao
01:20:944 (3,5) - I'd remove the claps for this one, looks really spammed there and it gives more emphasys to where the real claps are 01:20:782 (2,4,6). No they are justified

map looks ok i didn't check extra diffs cuz no time but u managed to get LOTS of mod and improved it a lot already. good luck.

thank you

Firebool wrote:
Wow. There is a big thread.
Desperation
SV here - 1.4
Prev diff SV - 2
It is usually understood that the higher the complexity, the greater SV Different mappers, different mapping styles. Also, I don't like using unnecessarily high sv
Too much free space in the corners for this diff. Besides too mich wierd overlaps like this 00:31:809 (3,1) -00:33:269 (4,2) - 00:34:566 (4,3) - Corners don't matter and overlaps are not prohibited
00:36:998 (3,4,5) - actually obtuse angles not a good idea at all. In this diff there are some of that and too much angles around 90 degrees Uhm just because it's not a sharp angle doesn't mean it has bad flow
00:36:674 (2,4,5) - (2) not in the middle of (4,5) . Fixed
00:41:215 (2,1) - u should increase space here like this https://yadi.sk/i/yNx_anEh3S5HPE No this is the beginning of the calm part so why would I do that
00:45:593 (1,2) - In this part u are follow drums, 00:46:080 (3,4) - in this by vocal. 00:46:566 - and there u missed note. All this part u can follw the drums tho No, I'm following both and there is literally no distinct sound there so I didn't miss anything
00:55:809 (1,6,8) - On the same level. does not look very nice Fixed
00:56:782 (7,1) - why. all this part u can move downer 00:57:107 (1,1,1) - https://yadi.sk/i/Kz8qink13S5Heo Ok
01:12:188 (4,5,6,7,1) - it sound like with a big spacing, but i got it that u want to copy this part from the beginning and you want to endure one style. Ye consistency ftw
01:14:620 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - i saw this part before. Why copy. uninteresting. Not even copied, just similar patterns
01:17:215 (3,1) - bad idea. out of conception. It is necessary to withstand the style, not to confuse with different ideas. This, in this case, is suitable for another type of maps. It would also be understandable if you would mapped all the similar moments in the map, but you used it only once, which casts doubt on your conception. You can't really say that a concept only fits a specific type of music, there is nothing wrong with it
01:22:890 (8,1,2) - angle after stream part is to wheeeeeeeeeeeee (crazy) I think it's fine
01:26:782 (1) - realy? give him some angle Not too bad imo
01:28:566 (3,1) - Okay, not once. But note not in the middle of a slider. And again its not sutable for this kind of musik. No
01:31:971 (1) - some angle too Not necessary
01:32:620 (4,1) - more space & without overlap plz https://yadi.sk/i/yoO0jNle3S5JDF Fixed
Very raw map, which is strange, given the number of kds and mods I don't really see any big issues in this map, ofc it's not perfect and it can be improved but it's not terrible either

Approximately the same remarks to Fapu's Extra & Space's . Too much wierd overlaps. U HAVE ALL AREA, why overlapping People really have problems with overlaps, I don't get it. Also, Space did the overlaps on purpose. It's called a gimmick, look it up

newton-

670 posts

Joined February 2015

newton- 2018-02-05T08:52:11+00:00

hi

[desperation]

1.4x sv seems a bit too low for an extra, most stuff like this has sth like 1.8x instead
00:06:836 (3,4,5) - these would fit better in the section if they were slightly angled like all other straight sliders in the section
00:37:971 (2,3,4) - rhythm should rlly be ctrlged here, i dont see why the red tick on 00:38:458 - gets more emphasis than the one on 00:38:134 - even tho there's a more prominent sound on the latter
00:45:755 (2,3,4) - most prominent sounds here according to song structure are 00:45:917 - and 00:46:404 - , which rn are mapped using sliderends instead of being clickable. would move this 1/2 beat forward and place a circle on 00:45:755 - so those sounds are made clickable
00:49:323 (1,4) - overlap is uinnecessary, could just stack these instead
01:02:134 - would really prefer if you increased sv for this section, having sv multiplier stay the same as on the verses doesnt really do anything to convey the increased intensity of the kiai :c.
01:17:215 (3,1) - overlap would look a lot nicer if 1 was only partially covered by 3 (sth like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10182723)
01:33:107 (7,1) - could be mistaken for a 1/2 even with the nc, since people will think that's just an ordinary downbeat nc instead of something used to identify different rhythm

good luck!

samosita

162 posts

Joined March 2015

samosita 2018-02-07T11:58:11+00:00

Hello there! Got a request from my mod q

mods

[Desperation]

00:00:512 (3,4) - you may want to increase the distance between these 2 as i saw that you were consistent in these patterns 00:01:161 (5,1) - 00:01:809 (2,3) - 00:02:458 (4,1) - i noticed in these patterns that the distance of the circle to the next slider with strong vocal is larger than the previous object.
00:05:215 (1) - move this further up so that the pattern that you did in 00:06:512 (1,2,3) - would be consistent with 00:05:215 (1,2,3) -
00:10:728 (3) - move this further to the right since i noticed the triangles that you made in 00:12:998 (1,2,3) - 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - 00:18:188 (1,2,3) - were a bit angled.
00:24:025 (3) - make this curved like 00:22:728 (3) -
00:25:647 (4,1) - i personally think that the spacing change should start here so you might want to place these 2 objects a little father apart
00:27:917 (3) - curve, if you will. strong vocal. and to be consistent w this 00:29:215 (4) -
00:50:458 (4,1,2,3,4) - i personally think that the distance between these should not be equal. the distance between 00:50:458 (4) - and 00:50:782 (1) - should be smaller compared to 00:50:782 (1) - and 00:51:107 (2,3,4) - because there is obvious rise in intensity in 00:51:107 (2,3,4) -
01:07:323 (1) - curve, as you also have 01:06:025 (1) - curved
01:05:215 (2,3,4,5) - pls fix pattern so that 01:05:701 (4) - should be blanketed to 01:06:025 (1) - . also to be consistent with this pattern: 01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,1) - .

[Elcheer's Insane]

00:01:323 (1,2,3) - the spacing between these objects are not consistent from previous object. consider following this 00:01:971 (4,5,6) -
00:12:998 (1,2,3) - make this the same shape and spacing as 00:10:404 (1,2,3) - for consistency
00:17:215 (2,3) - unintended stack? make these a jump like 00:12:025 (2,3) -
00:19:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this may be a pain to read. consider stacking 00:19:809 (2,3,4) - instead.
00:28:566 (1,5) - stack these maybe? for aesthetics
00:51:593 (5) - a flow break/ctrl g might be nice here since there is strong vocal
01:30:188 (4,5,6,7) - i dont really see the need for these jumps as there are no emphasis on percussion or whatsoever. it also has the same intensity as 01:24:998 (4,5) - . you might want to keep the pattern on 01:24:998 (4,5) - for this.

[Ky's Hard]

Hmm? Are you sure with this sv? sv for this difficulty (1.5x) is higher than insane's (1.4x).

00:20:053 - you might want to add a circle here to be consistent with 00:12:350 (3,4) - 00:14:944 (5,6) - 00:17:539 (3,4) -
00:49:323 (1,2,3,4) - a flow break might be nice here since the key has changed. make these go clockwise instead
01:12:188 (4) - ctrl g might be nice
01:17:377 (4,1) - should be consistent to the distance between these 01:12:188 (4,1) -
01:13:485 (4,1,2,3,4) - i believe these should look the same as these 01:03:107 (4,1,2,3,4) - . Curve 01:13:485 (4) - also for consistency
01:25:647 (1,2) - don't overlap these 2 as you did not overlap it in 01:23:053 (1,2) - and the other following similar patterns
dont overlap 01:31:809 (3,1)

Great map! good luck with this ^^

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-07T17:09:35+00:00

samosita wrote:
Hello there! Got a request from my mod q
[Ky's Hard]

Hmm? Are you sure with this sv? sv for this difficulty (1.5x) is higher than insane's (1.4x).
um...sure!! SV just depends on mapper. I usually use 1.4~1.6 SV for Hard diff.

00:20:053 - you might want to add a circle here to be consistent with 00:12:350 (3,4) - 00:14:944 (5,6) - 00:17:539 (3,4) - remain, 00:12:350 (3) - this slider is used for vocal, not actually beat sound. Because 00:20:134 (3) - is 1/4 reverse slider, it is better avoid 3/4 slider at 00:19:809 - , otherwise, it is too hard for players.
00:49:323 (1,2,3,4) - a flow break might be nice here since the key has changed. make these go clockwise instead both are okay and acceptable. I would like to have the same flowing here because this part is assume for taking a short break. Good suggestion.
01:12:188 (4) - ctrl g might be nice both are okay. smaller angle 01:11:701 (2,3,4) - looks easier for player, maybe?
01:17:377 (4,1) - should be consistent to the distance between these 01:12:188 (4,1) - um....01:17:377 (4,1) - reverse twice and 01:12:188 (4,1) - reverse once only..... of course they are in different ds because of different snapping.
01:13:485 (4,1,2,3,4) - i believe these should look the same as these 01:03:107 (4,1,2,3,4) - . Curve 01:13:485 (4) - also for consistency both are okay, because they are in different part. at least rhythm is the same is okay.
01:25:647 (1,2) - don't overlap these 2 as you did not overlap it in 01:23:053 (1,2) - and the other following similar patterns because no space on the right sign of 01:25:323 (4) - . This overlapping do not affect reading, so I think it is acceptable.
dont overlap 01:31:809 (3,1) same.
Great map! good luck with this ^^

no change.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-07T19:29:34+00:00

newton- wrote:
hi

[desperation]
1.4x sv seems a bit too low for an extra, most stuff like this has sth like 1.8x instead I know but first, I'm not remapping it and second,I think it fits the guitar sounds, playability is also not restricted by it
00:06:836 (3,4,5) - these would fit better in the section if they were slightly angled like all other straight sliders in the section Fixed
00:37:971 (2,3,4) - rhythm should rlly be ctrlged here, i dont see why the red tick on 00:38:458 - gets more emphasis than the one on 00:38:134 - even tho there's a more prominent sound on the latter It is because I'm following the drums in this section
00:45:755 (2,3,4) - most prominent sounds here according to song structure are 00:45:917 - and 00:46:404 - , which rn are mapped using sliderends instead of being clickable. would move this 1/2 beat forward and place a circle on 00:45:755 - so those sounds are made clickable I don't really agree, I think they are equally important (and I want that 1/1 afterwards to emphasize what comes after it)
00:49:323 (1,4) - overlap is uinnecessary, could just stack these instead Fixed
01:02:134 - would really prefer if you increased sv for this section, having sv multiplier stay the same as on the verses doesnt really do anything to convey the increased intensity of the kiai :c. True that, but as I already said above, I think it fits the song
01:17:215 (3,1) - overlap would look a lot nicer if 1 was only partially covered by 3 (sth like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10182723) Fixed
01:33:107 (7,1) - could be mistaken for a 1/2 even with the nc, since people will think that's just an ordinary downbeat nc instead of something used to identify different rhythm Fixed
good luck!

Thank you!

samosita wrote:
Hello there! Got a request from my mod q

mods
[Desperation]

00:00:512 (3,4) - you may want to increase the distance between these 2 as i saw that you were consistent in these patterns 00:01:161 (5,1) - 00:01:809 (2,3) - 00:02:458 (4,1) - i noticed in these patterns that the distance of the circle to the next slider with strong vocal is larger than the previous object. Changed a little
00:05:215 (1) - move this further up so that the pattern that you did in 00:06:512 (1,2,3) - would be consistent with 00:05:215 (1,2,3) - No I want to avoid even more overlaps, it's okay like this imo
00:10:728 (3) - move this further to the right since i noticed the triangles that you made in 00:12:998 (1,2,3) - 00:15:593 (1,2,3) - 00:18:188 (1,2,3) - were a bit angled. True but it kinda breaks the transition and looks weird
00:24:025 (3) - make this curved like 00:22:728 (3) - Looks better like this
00:25:647 (4,1) - i personally think that the spacing change should start here so you might want to place these 2 objects a little father apart Fixed
00:27:917 (3) - curve, if you will. strong vocal. and to be consistent w this 00:29:215 (4) - Ok
00:50:458 (4,1,2,3,4) - i personally think that the distance between these should not be equal. the distance between 00:50:458 (4) - and 00:50:782 (1) - should be smaller compared to 00:50:782 (1) - and 00:51:107 (2,3,4) - because there is obvious rise in intensity in 00:51:107 (2,3,4) - Fixed
01:07:323 (1) - curve, as you also have 01:06:025 (1) - curved I actually like the current flow it has
01:05:215 (2,3,4,5) - pls fix pattern so that 01:05:701 (4) - should be blanketed to 01:06:025 (1) - . also to be consistent with this pattern: 01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,1) - . I think it's fine as it is

Great map! good luck with this ^^

Thanks

Spayyce

693 posts

Joined December 2013

Spayyce 2018-02-09T05:45:08+00:00

Fursum wrote:
[Space's Insane]

As you have the stop over the guitar at the end of this section, dont skip over this 00:13:161 - guitar note to follow the guitar layer more consistently so that the stop at 00:14:944 - would be more expected Changed to 1/2 notes

00:59:053 (4) - this seems a bit overemphasized for such a calm section. you could bring it more in line with 00:57:755 (3) - as you already have the higher note density for this vocal bit to bring out the emphasis Nerfed jump

01:17:863 - pls use finishes less it sounds really overdone, or atleast not normal finishes but soft finishes I want it to have a lot of emphasis as it's the most emphasised part of the song.

01:27:593 (3,4) - 01:32:782 (3,4) - for this section you follow the guitar layer much less closely so this 1/1 gap over the stop feels out of place. mapping the drums would be much more appropriate It's consistent with the first part and I don't wanna jump to different instruments each time. 00:20:458 (1,2,3,4,1) - being an exception due to it being so overpowering for example

gl

Thank you for the mod!

aaa

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realy0_

1,731 posts

Joined August 2016

realy0_ 2018-02-09T15:38:36+00:00

How tf with all these mods this isn't even bubbled, find bns already

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-09T18:06:34+00:00

realy0_ wrote:
How tf with all these mods this isn't even bubbled, find bns already

I wish a BN would check it but apparently they're not interested in it

I've posted this map in like every single bn queue lmao

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-09T18:20:37+00:00

Fursum wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]

00:00:026 (1,2,3,4) - the first verse is a bit overcrowded compared to 00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - where having more notes would be much more suitable as the intensity is higher and has the same amount of vocal notes don't like the idea of having more notes at 00:05:215 - cause i want to emphasize the drum hits

00:19:971 (4,1) - ohno please dont do streams separated with 1/4 sliders, it is really confusing to follow the rythm with the visuals. move 00:20:133 (1,2,3,4,5) - away so recognizing the kickslider would be much more easier and puts some emphasis needed for (1) fixed, no more kickslider

00:24:674 (1,2,3,4) - why did you increase the density when the layers are much calmer and theres the held vocal to follow which would reduce density. making it the same with 00:28:566 (1,2,3,4) - is not ideal somewhat maybe probably fixed

the points repeat itself a couple times throughout the map so yea check them out

oh wow elcheer's still alive

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Serizawa Haruki

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Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-09T20:46:36+00:00

Elcheer don't forget samosita's mod pls (it's hidden in the box xd)
Thanks for applying mods tho owo

Elcheer

419 posts

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Elcheer 2018-02-10T02:24:17+00:00

samosita wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]
00:01:323 (1,2,3) - the spacing between these objects are not consistent from previous object. consider following this 00:01:971 (4,5,6) -
fixed
00:12:998 (1,2,3) - make this the same shape and spacing as 00:10:404 (1,2,3) - for consistency fixed
00:17:215 (2,3) - unintended stack? make these a jump like 00:12:025 (2,3) - intended stack, and making it a jump wouldn't work the same way it did for 00:12:025 (2,3) -
00:19:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this may be a pain to read. consider stacking 00:19:809 (2,3,4) - instead. fixed
00:28:566 (1,5) - stack these maybe? for aesthetics fixed
00:51:593 (5) - a flow break/ctrl g might be nice here since there is strong vocal imo it's better the way it is
01:30:188 (4,5,6,7) - i dont really see the need for these jumps as there are no emphasis on percussion or whatsoever. it also has the same intensity as 01:24:998 (4,5) - . you might want to keep the pattern on 01:24:998 (4,5) - for this. instead of making it 2 sliders like 01:24:998 (4,5) - i just decided to make it a jump at 01:29:863 (2,3,4,5) - to one slider at 01:30:512 -

thanks

we still alive

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Artist:HoneyWorks feat. Gero
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Creator:J a c k
Version:Elcheer's Insane
Source:
Tags:EGOIST Irohas MugiwaraSekai Kyle_Y Elcheer -Space- Faputa Poii
BeatmapID:1383146
BeatmapSetID:643153

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5.7
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:7.7
ApproachRate:8.7
SliderMultiplier:1.5
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"HoneyWorks Wallpaper 3.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Ataraxia

673 posts

Joined February 2014

Ataraxia 2018-02-10T03:06:48+00:00

Hello sorry for late

From my queue

[General]

Mp3 and BG correct

[Easy]

00:23:701 (2,3) - These 2 slider seems 'dead' for me, look at your map, u put good pattens, these 2 slider its random a lot, switch them.

[Irohas' Normal]

00:14:944 (5,6) - These Nc its really necessary, remember that novice players, i think u need to take off them. Like 00:19:809 (4,5) - xp
00:27:755 (5) - and 00:28:404 (6) - need a circle, like the representation you did in 00:23:053 (6,3) -
00:51:269 (5) - Wrong NC ?
01:27:593 (5) - Nc boyyyy

[Ky's Hardl]

00:03:917 (1,2) - this is soo weird, there's none Intonation or vocal / instrument extension here, i think u could just let a 1/2 slider and a linear circle
00:12:350 (3,4) - why the hitsound its in the slidertail ? they should to be in 00:12:674 (4) -
00:16:728 (1) - remove the clap in slidertail.
00:17:539 (3,4) - The same point about 00:12:350 (3,4) -
00:24:674 (1,2) - Same point about intonation etc

More than that, its a Hard, if are a insane, there acceptable, cuz its a normal patten of them, but a hard with a 3/4 stuff... i really don't feel safe about that.
00:35:701 (3,4) - Here a example how good u follow the extended vocal xD
00:52:242 (3,4,5) - ultimate nazi, u should use the same angle to rotate them, delet 00:52:566 (4,5) - and pick the 00:52:242 (3) - and create one for one in 45º degrees (note, the next rotated will need another 45º degrees)

00:56:782 (1) - Please STACKSKT (stack :3)

01:06:025 (1,2,3,4) - Same point about rotation here.

I say that because the map can be more polished than now, i think thats a good thing for a attractive map

[Insane]

i don't find anything relevant to say. good diff

[Elcheer's Insane]

00:34:080 (2,4) - why a 1/2 ? i think u can put 1/2 circles instead a slider
00:37:971 (3,4) - The vocal here its strong, but the representation its the same in 00:37:647 (1,2) -

its a insane diff, u could be more 'agressive' its a sugestion at all, but this part can be better than now.
01:12:025 (1) - if you let with the streams, this can be like a circle, not a 3/4 slider, Leave it further away.

[Space's Insane] hello space owo

Hitsounds are more like to : Overhitsound, its the first time i see a strong way of use hitsound, i don't feel safe about that.

Its the unique thing about the diff.

[Fapu's Extra]

Hitsounds seems incomplete for me, u can explain what is your intention about doing hitsound in that way ?

and in 01:23:053 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - they're complete ? o.o

men, hitsound copier from last to your

[Desperation]

00:31:161 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Where's the clap in this part ?

The same here 00:41:539 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - .

Its really strange the way of hitsound in the Extra diff in General...

01:20:782 (2,3,4,5,6) - Its a explosion o.o, nerf a bit xD

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The mapset in general (insane to extra) need a improve on hitsounds

The unique different that i 'understand' its space diff (even seems strange for me yet xp)

good luck !

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-10T03:28:17+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]

00:34:080 (2,4) - why a 1/2 ? i think u can put 1/2 circles instead a slider fixed
00:37:971 (3,4) - The vocal here its strong, but the representation its the same in 00:37:647 (1,2) - fixed

its a insane diff, u could be more 'agressive' its a sugestion at all, but this part can be better than now.
01:12:025 (1) - if you let with the streams, this can be like a circle, not a 3/4 slider, Leave it further away. fixed

they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming...

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Serizawa Haruki

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Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-10T16:57:10+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
Hello sorry for late

From my queue

[General]

Mp3 and BG correct

[Easy]

00:23:701 (2,3) - These 2 slider seems 'dead' for me, look at your map, u put good pattens, these 2 slider its random a lot, switch them.
True, changed pattern

[Insane]

i don't find anything relevant to say. good diff Wow I didn't expect that, thanks owo

[Desperation]

00:31:161 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Where's the clap in this part ? Added claps in my diffs and also in Elcheer's Insane because he uses the same hitsounds

The same here 00:41:539 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - . I feel like this part is too calm to add claps, I would rather keep whistles here

Its really strange the way of hitsound in the Extra diff in General... It's fine imo

01:20:782 (2,3,4,5,6) - Its a explosion o.o, nerf a bit xD Well you're right but I need it for SR xD

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The mapset in general (insane to extra) need a improve on hitsounds I will keep it in mind

The unique different that i 'understand' its space diff (even seems strange for me yet xp)

good luck !

Thank you!

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-12T17:44:10+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Ky's Hardl]

00:03:917 (1,2) - this is soo weird, there's none Intonation or vocal / instrument extension here, i think u could just let a 1/2 slider and a linear circle in fact, it got the same principle of vocal slider as 00:35:701 (3,4) - which you mentioned below. Completely follow 1/2 rhythm is quite boring to play which I don't want to.
00:12:350 (3,4) - why the hitsound its in the slidertail ? they should to be in 00:12:674 (4) - fixed
00:16:728 (1) - remove the clap in slidertail. fixed
00:17:539 (3,4) - The same point about 00:12:350 (3,4) - fixed
00:24:674 (1,2) - Same point about intonation etc fixed.

More than that, its a Hard, if are a insane, there acceptable, cuz its a normal patten of them, but a hard with a 3/4 stuff... i really don't feel safe about that. still rankable in Hard diff for sure.
00:35:701 (3,4) - Here a example how good u follow the extended vocal xD
00:52:242 (3,4,5) - ultimate nazi, u should use the same angle to rotate them, delet 00:52:566 (4,5) - and pick the 00:52:242 (3) - and create one for one in 45º degrees (note, the next rotated will need another 45º degrees) why degree is that important?

00:56:782 (1) - Please STACKSKT (stack :3) remain, because I use similar pattern in kiai time (01:08:458 (5) - ), so this overlaps is to tell players that I am going to use this overlaps afterward, although players may not notice it.

01:06:025 (1,2,3,4) - Same point about rotation here. why is it important?

I say that because the map can be more polished than now, i think thats a good thing for a attractive map

https://puu.sh/zmeXJ/f0b3e71aaf.osu

Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Irohas 2018-02-13T17:30:52+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Irohas' Normal]

00:14:944 (5,6) - These Nc its really necessary, remember that novice players, i think u need to take off them. Like 00:19:809 (4,5) - xp intended since i privileged finishes instead of drums that i followed previously
00:27:755 (5) - and 00:28:404 (6) - need a circle, like the representation you did in 00:23:053 (6,3) - not the same rhythm
00:51:269 (5) - Wrong NC ? not at all
01:27:593 (5) - Nc boyyyy xd

no change, same for yales but thx for mods!!

mancuso_JM_

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mancuso_JM_ 2018-02-13T23:35:35+00:00

I'd like to know if Faputa is checking those mods in their difficulty before to mod your map.

I haven't seen an answer by themselve since some time ago and I always like to check maps that are 100% ready to be modded.

I'm going to start my mod afterwards.

Serizawa Haruki

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Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-13T23:39:52+00:00

mancuso_JM_ wrote:
I'd like to know if Faputa is checking those mods in their difficulty before to mod your map.

I haven't seen an answer by themselve since some time ago and I always like to check maps that are 100% ready to be modded.

I'm going to start my mod afterwards.

I told Faputa today that he should check them and he said he would do it so yeah let's wait for him to apply the mods

Faputa

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Joined May 2011

Faputa 2018-02-14T02:37:40+00:00

Nikakis wrote:
~Hello J a c k , from my modding queue!

Fapu's Extra:
00:23:053 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - : This is extremely hard to play, I would highly recommend to rework the flow.This part of the song doesn't deserve such a complicated flow like this. I don't think it is "extremely hard". With the current AR setting, players should be aware that which notes are they going to hit. And I don't want to break the current aesthetics really.

That's it I think, such a cute set & song.Good luck!~

Fursum wrote:
henlo its q
[Fapu'sextra]

00:08:296 (2,3,1,2) - triple into this spacing is a bit overdone, contrasting the increase in spacing a bit more would be nice to emphasize the buildup
basically first notes much closer in spacing and last notes the same I think it is fine. The previous stacked 1/4s are all triples, and the DS increase here arithmetic.

00:51:593 (6,1) - you used a couple 1/1 stacks on halts so this makes me wonder why you have movement here It is because spacing them here marks the enter of the bass sounds, and also every change in major rhythm in this map is dealt with spacing, not stacks.

01:07:809 (2,3,4,5) - 01:09:107 (2,3,4,5) - theres the vocals on (4) which lost a bit of emphasis as you could break the flow to highlight them. right now the patterns doesnt really follow anything noticeable Changed them slightly so it brings more emphasis.
you did the flowbreaks on next section though so i assume this was an oversight

01:22:728 (1,2,3,4) - this could be a curved stream with a bit more spacing to match the intensity better and for a better flow. straight > straight streams not rly gud Nice idea.

ok cant mod low diffs sry
gl

_Epreus wrote:
[fapu's extra]00:04:242 (2,3,4,5,6) - I dont get why you used stream pattern here.. here doesnt have drum spam sound or another instrumental or vocal.. It is to plan for the incoming stream.

00:05:215 (1) - I think this can get more distance since here has strong sound and should be emphasized Distance between jumps here are increasing gradually.

00:09:107 (5) - can you nc this for drum's end? Thanks for reminding.

00:12:350 (3) - I think you could stack this to 00:11:377 (5) - here That would affect the aesthetics of 00:12:025 (2,3,4) -

00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - can you make them at least low spaced triangles or etc? here has difference of instrument's tone so.. Tringles here don't work in my opinion.

00:40:890 (6) - nc for 1/3 sliders? I don't agree. Every change in major rhythm is not treated with continuous NC setting in this map.

01:17:539 (6,1) - arent they so close? can you give them more distance by doing ctrl g or etc? Changed sth here in other's mod

its short because I cant find more problem. its a cool map good luck!

Cloudchaser wrote:
Ciao. From modding queue
General
Personally, I don't think using your current soft-hitnormal fits in the song, It's very annoying to play and hear. You should use that one when the drum has more prominence than the guitar, but it's not in this case. I'd use something softer and not too rough, or just use the default one.
Fapu's Extra
01:00:998 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - I'd make this pattern of NCs https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132178 When I was playing, I really messed up with that part. With this change, it's more legible imo. Changed to a different NC setting that makes the overlapped circles near the corner the same colour.
01:02:620 (2,3,4,5,6) - These jumps are really forced. The strong notes starts just in 01:03:107 (5,6) - so, there should be the jumps, not before. If you have looked the kiai overall, the jumps are not totally nonsense, I believe having the star patterns the most spaced, and then the latter ones gradually becomes easier to hit/ less spaced fits my mapping intention.
01:17:377 (4,5,6,1) - For consistency, you should increase the DS between these notes so it doesn't break the flow. Sure.

The kiai is really overdone with jumps, I don't really justify it for the intensity of the song. In general, your patterns are pretty well made, aesthetically, and rhythmically too! I would just nerf the kiai. Thanks for the compliment :3. And as said in the reply above, the DS in kiai is designed like that, and I've foreshadowed the DS change before the kiai starts.
3 diffs as I promised.

higher difficulties need more polishment, but it's nothing with hard work you cannot fix!
Any question, don't hesitate in asking. Good luck!!!!!

Ataraxia wrote:
Hello sorry for late

From my queue

[Fapu's Extra]
Hitsounds seems incomplete for me, u can explain what is your intention about doing hitsound in that way ?

and in 01:23:053 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - they're complete ? o.o

men, hitsound copier from last to your I fixed it. Thanks for reminding.

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The mapset in general (insane to extra) need a improve on hitsounds

The unique different that i 'understand' its space diff (even seems strange for me yet xp)

good luck !

Thank you all <3 <3

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leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

leo16834 2018-02-14T05:41:57+00:00

Hi~ From my modding Q

I had discussed with Faputa before this xD p/6329218#p6329218

Poii's Muzukashii

00:25:323 (96,97) - Personally I would like this part use k d because the vocal is high to low
00:41:215 (157) - d ? I think this one can rendered next part 00:41:539 (158,159,160,161) - heavy note
00:43:485 (162,163,164,165) - how about use d k and k d ? Symmetrical is good xD
00:46:242 (168) - d , In order to express 00:46:404 (169) - high vocal
01:20:782 (305) - d , symmetry 01:21:917 (310,311) -

Poii's Oni

00:08:863 - How about add some note on here ?
00:26:620 (131) - d ? 2d+2k with 1d is better than d d k k k because 00:26:944 (132,133,134) - is k k d. Personally I would think about good to read xD
00:37:647 (39) - k ? long vocal use k I think can it which performed pause Rhythm
00:53:863 (115,116,120,121) - k d and d k? the reason is the same. Symmetrical is good

ok nice map set , shoot star~

Good luck with this set/

Arphimigon

1,650 posts

Joined December 2014

Arphimigon 2018-02-14T14:58:05+00:00

woah

[Easy]
00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - So you do this particular rhythms with the reverses and stuff when this vocal happens, but the next time it happens at 00:25:971 (1,2,3) - you chose something different! Try changing one of the two to be like the other? (also 00:36:350 (1,2,3) - this is the same vocal also)

[Irohas' Normal]
00:14:944 (1,2) - So there's a NC on the first note of this, why not 00:20:134 (5,6) - ? I guess it does sound a little quieter and stuff, but it's just odd with only one NC out of place like that.
00:48:998 (5,1) - and 00:54:836 (2,3) - there's two blankets to fix

[Ky's Hard]
00:40:890 (4,5) - In terms of size, these are almost indistinguishable from the 1/2 sliders and there isn't really much to show that they are 1/3. Try doing something? A different slider shape, a NC, a different SV, anything?
00:51:431 (3) - Two notes perhaps? Kinda feels dull to end on a slider end here before a small pause when both sounds here are pretty stronk

[Elcheer's Insane]
00:08:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - A small touch to show rising in volume would be to just ever so slightly raise the sv of the second reverse slider, say to 1.1x speed, so it's just a bit faster than the first. Little touches~
~~00:12:998 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern makes me smile for no good reason.~~

Last time I looked at the higher diffs afaik so here's a mod on the lower and newer ones.
Bai o/

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-14T15:21:32+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
woah

[Easy]
00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - So you do this particular rhythms with the reverses and stuff when this vocal happens, but the next time it happens at 00:25:971 (1,2,3) - you chose something different! Try changing one of the two to be like the other? (also 00:36:350 (1,2,3) - this is the same vocal also) I did this because the drums at 00:05:215 (1,3) - are a lot stronger than in the other parts so I wanted to emphasize those drums but thanks for the suggestion

Last time I looked at the higher diffs afaik so here's a mod on the lower and newer ones.
Bai o/

Thanks for looking at my map again :3

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-02-14T17:05:48+00:00

leo16834 wrote:
Hi~ From my modding Q

I had discussed with Faputa before this xD p/6329218#p6329218

Poii's Muzukashii

00:25:323 (96,97) - Personally I would like this part use k d because the vocal is high to low 00:25:647 - have stronger sound
00:41:215 (157) - d ? I think this one can rendered next part 00:41:539 (158,159,160,161) - heavy note 00:40:890 (156,157) - vocal
00:43:485 (162,163,164,165) - how about use d k and k d ? Symmetrical is good xD kk and dd is fit tho, wont change
00:46:242 (168) - d , In order to express 00:46:404 (169) - high vocal k
01:20:782 (305) - d , symmetry 01:21:917 (310,311) - snare

Poii's Oni

00:08:863 - How about add some note on here ? no 5plet is fit, and doesnt make the gap in this part between oni and muzu too far
00:26:620 (131) - d ? 2d+2k with 1d is better than d d k k k because 00:26:944 (132,133,134) - is k k d. Personally I would think about good to read xD 30 to d
00:37:647 (39) - k ? long vocal use k I think can it which performed pause Rhythm k
00:53:863 (115,116,120,121) - k d and d k? the reason is the same. Symmetrical is good naah, k for strong vocal here

ok nice map set , shoot star~

Good luck with this set/

ty

Muzu

oni

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-14T17:25:48+00:00

Updated again

Btw Poii thanks for all the kudo spam but you really shouldn't waste them on this map xd

Mitsuna-

286 posts

Joined January 2014

Mitsuna- 2018-02-14T22:26:41+00:00

[Easy]
00:07:809 (1) - this spinner is really short for an easy diff, some new player might not hit 300 i think, i suggest to end it here 00:09:755 - maybe

01:15:107 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:15:917 (2) - ?
01:17:701 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:18:512 (2) - too ?

[Space's Insane]
00:11:539 (1,2) - the angle when we go for the second note is really sharp, i suggest to slightly curve this slider 00:11:539 (1) - like this https://puu.sh/znRfO.png to make a bit more intuitive

01:17:863 - Why change hitsound ? It feels really weird

[Fapu's Extra]
I like this diff but i think the flow can be improved if you move some objects to the player expectation
For example, i expected that this slider 01:29:377 (1) - would be further in the top because the spacing is pretty large here 01:29:053 (4,5) - but pretty low here 01:29:215 (5,1) - even if the strongest beat is on this sliderhead 01:29:377 (1) -

Like this mapset, I didn't modded all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Last edited by Mitsuna- 2018-02-17T17:55:38+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-15T01:11:36+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]
00:08:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - A small touch to show rising in volume would be to just ever so slightly raise the sv of the second reverse slider, say to 1.1x speed, so it's just a bit faster than the first. Little touches~ fixed
~~00:12:998 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern makes me smile for no good reason.~~ :))))))

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Serizawa Haruki

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Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-15T01:27:59+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Easy]
00:07:809 (1) - this spinner is really short for an easy diff, some new player might not hit 300 i think, i suggest to end it here 00:09:755 - maybe I can't make it longer because according to the ranking criteria, there need to be 4 beats of spinner recovery time after a spinner in an Easy diff
01:15:107 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:15:917 (2) - ? I think it's better like this because currently the NC is on the strongest beat
01:17:701 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:18:512 (2) - too ? Same as above

Like this mapset, I didn't mapped all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Thank you!

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