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HoneyWorks feat. Gero - Jakusha no Sengen [Osu|Taiko]

posted July 21, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC

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Cloudchaser

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Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser December 21, 2017 at 2:49:25 PM UTC

Gonna mod this as soon as you apply Crystilonz' mod. Please PM!

Serizawa Haruki

1,160 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki December 21, 2017 at 8:14:26 PM UTC

CrystilonZ wrote:
I love your song choice <3 thanks xd

[Gen]
That hitnormal is ewww orz. Hitsound is pretty sub-par overall unfortunately Sounds fine imo
Easy -- Hard gap is really huge relatively Normal is still in progress

[Easy]
I like this diff
AR 4? imo with ar3 there are too many stuff on the screen at once Almost all easy diffs use ar3, it doesn't matter if there are many objects on the screen at once since new players are not used to high ar
00:41:212 (6,1,2) - aesthetic nitpick. Make the head, the tail and the circle form a triangle. Fixed
00:12:347 (4,5) - 00:17:536 (4,5) - replace these two with sliders to differentiate them from 00:14:941 (4,5) - 00:20:131 (4,5) - which are stronger cuz of the drums Ok
01:10:725 (3) - aesthetic nitpick. Can you make 01:10:239 (2,3,1) - symmetrical Fixed
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[Insane]
00:05:212 (1,2) - 00:06:509 (1,2) - these jumps feel nice but they don't rly make sense comparing to other places in the diff. They're the biggest jumps i think. They shouldn't be in this slow intro orz nerf them a bit Ok nerfed
fyi your 1/4 kickslider jumps are a huuuuuuuge spike if you consider the movement speed required. Idk if you want that. I like them lmao
00:08:779 (5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - maybe it's just me but imo the spacing is really confusing here. 00:08:779 (5,6) - really fast moving here and after that 00:09:104 (1,2) - this is a sharp drop which kinda makes sense. The problem is it accelerates back at 00:10:077 (4) - and then decelerate at 00:10:401 (1) - . Because the acceleration/deceleration here are not justified by the music the movement is pretty weird. just move 00:10:077 (4) - closer to 00:09:752 (3) - . That should help Fixed
00:25:968 (1) - use 1.8 or 2.0 DS on this one. Fits better with the music. acceleration at 00:26:293 (2) - comes a bit too late imo Fixed
00:29:536 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - yea this part is suitable for jumps but imo because you stack them so much and there is no clear pattern for players to stick to this might be bad. don't stack them or come up with a good pattern o/ It's literally impossible for me to find a good pattern here,
I've changed it like 20 times and this is the best solution so far because otherwise there are a lot of ugly overlaps that are even more confusing
00:31:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - this rhythm is repeated over and over in this part. This might be because you stick to percussions alone. Imo if you also consider other stuff (vocals, guitars, etc.) the rhythm won't be so mundane here. If I map the vocals, it will be just like the part at 00:20:779 - and that would be repetitive too, so I think this is the best option since the drums are more important in this section
01:00:995 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This looks like fireworks lmfao. Some geometry stuff might look more appealing~ Fixed in my own way
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01:17:698 (1,4) - eh is this overlap intended Fixed
That's all from me
GL~

Thanks for the mod :3

Elcheer

348 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer December 22, 2017 at 12:56:05 AM UTC

CrystilonZ wrote:
[Elcheer's]
00:04:563 (3,4,5,6,1,2) - spacing doesn't make sense. (1,2) should be bigger than the rest but you mapped it otherwise lol. the last two are much more stronger
00:09:752 (1,1) - aesthetic nitpick: can you make the circle not overlapping with the main body of the slider?
Try to keep the variation stuff in check and do it moderately. Little variation here and there makes the map feel more fresh but too much variation and it turns into a jumping practice. It does feel weird playing highly spaced 00:32:779 (3,4,5) - and playing 00:33:752 (1,2,3,4) - afterwards. I understand that circle jumps are much easier to map comparing to jumps with sliders xd. But still it's a beatmap it needs to correlate with the music
00:10:887 (4,5) - this was the first pattern that's introduced so I expected 00:13:482 (4,5) - to have normal spacing lol, but turns out rest of them have these antijumps XD. add that to 00:10:887 (4,5) -
00:15:590 (1,2,3,4) - 00:16:725 (1) - yea the 00:16:725 (1) - should be bigger cuz the guitar is much more intense (it even has a crash on it wtf)
00:55:482 (6,1) - Don't decelerate during the build up QAQ
It's weird that the verse has higher spacing compared with the chorus lol. Like 01:17:698 (1,2,3) - 01:13:806 (5) - etc I totally didn't expect these to be in the kiai.
Keep your difficulty curve in check! Make the map harder when the song gets more intense. Just compare these three and you'll see why the difficulty curve is important 00:02:293 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - 01:02:779 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:33:752 (1,2,3,4,1) -

That's all from me
GL~

applied all to the best of my ability, thanks!

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Stack

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Stack December 26, 2017 at 2:51:54 PM UTC

nm from my queue

General
no problems here

Desperation
00:00:671 (4,5,1) - You could place more emphasis on 00:01:320 (1) - here as there is an additional piano sound also on the sliderhead, moving 00:01:158 (5) - down would be enough
Would also do the same for similar spots like 00:01:968 (3) - 00:02:617 (1) - 00:03:914 (1) - as these also all have piano sounds on them

00:08:293 (2,3,4,5,6) - These look really cramped together atm, would really space them out so they don't look that way (same for some of the blankets like 00:10:563 (2,4) - , you make all these really cramped blankets which makes the maps object placement feel more limited)

00:21:428 (4) - Could also use some more emphasis

00:52:239 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This all feels really cluttered in the centre without really any points of emphasis or anything, making them more distinct groups of sliders would fit better

00:55:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - these jumps could be represented better imo,
they barely change in spacing but the song only really ramps up the intensity when the drums get super loud at 00:56:455 (5) - , like 2 groups of 4 somehow would fit way better

Your sv for the entire kiai feels really low, which makes it that every slider feels like a slowdown compared to the jumps which is pretty annoying
It could have easily been something like 1.2 probably

Also in the kiai there arent really any points of emphasis everything is spaced with ds around 3-3.3 and it never really goes far above or below that
Which makes the downbeats kinda non-impactful, like multiple smaller jumps for 01:09:104 (2,3,4,5,6) - and then a big one for 01:09:914 (1) - would feel much more appropriate

01:09:104 (2,3) - Why did the rhythm change and are these 2 circles now, previously the player didn't need to jump for the sound on 01:09:266 (3) - but now he has to

01:11:212 (1) - This pattern feels pretty out of place, normally you make the spacing about equal but here you make the downbeat spacing way smaller and give it some weird flow not used previously

01:19:482 (2,3) - same here as the previous rhythm thingy, you suddenly change it which makes it feel more intense while nothing really changed

01:31:968 (1) - There is a huge finish on the tail here that is not even cliacked but you still make the other finish at 01:32:455 (2) - a huge jump, 01:31:968 (1) - would feel better as 1/2 slide rand a circle where its tail currently is

The spacing emphasis is imo the biggest thing that could be currently improved cause there isn't really anything of that atm

Serizawa Haruki

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Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki December 27, 2017 at 11:49:31 PM UTC

Gottagof4st wrote:
nm from my queue

General
no problems here
Desperation
00:00:671 (4,5,1) - You could place more emphasis on 00:01:320 (1) - here as there is an additional piano sound also on the sliderhead, moving 00:01:158 (5) - down would be enough
Would also do the same for similar spots like 00:01:968 (3) - 00:02:617 (1) - 00:03:914 (1) - as these also all have piano sounds on them Changed a little

00:08:293 (2,3,4,5,6) - These look really cramped together atm, would really space them out so they don't look that way (same for some of the blankets like 00:10:563 (2,4) - , you make all these really cramped blankets which makes the maps object placement feel more limited) Spaced the 1/4 sliders out but the blankets are good imo

00:21:428 (4) - Could also use some more emphasis Not important imo

00:52:239 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This all feels really cluttered in the centre without really any points of emphasis or anything, making them more distinct groups of sliders would fit better This section is really monotonous, there's not really anything worth emphasizing

00:55:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - these jumps could be represented better imo,
they barely change in spacing but the song only really ramps up the intensity when the drums get super loud at 00:56:455 (5) - , like 2 groups of 4 somehow would fit way better Yup changed

Your sv for the entire kiai feels really low, which makes it that every slider feels like a slowdown compared to the jumps which is pretty annoying
It could have easily been something like 1.2 probably SV is something subjective and I don't think it's necessary too have high SV just because it's an Extra, it fits the song well imo and is not uncomfortable to play

Also in the kiai there arent really any points of emphasis everything is spaced with ds around 3-3.3 and it never really goes far above or below that
Which makes the downbeats kinda non-impactful, like multiple smaller jumps for 01:09:104 (2,3,4,5,6) - and then a big one for 01:09:914 (1) - would feel much more appropriate Fixed but now it looks ugly and the star rating dropped to 5.32* which is not possible since this is the top diff and there's another extra, that's why I'm gonna increase the jumps lmao

01:09:104 (2,3) - Why did the rhythm change and are these 2 circles now, previously the player didn't need to jump for the sound on 01:09:266 (3) - but now he has to Fixed, this was mainly to increase the star rating

01:11:212 (1) - This pattern feels pretty out of place, normally you make the spacing about equal but here you make the downbeat spacing way smaller and give it some weird flow not used previously This wasn't my idea but now I made it "normal" again

01:19:482 (2,3) - same here as the previous rhythm thingy, you suddenly change it which makes it feel more intense while nothing really changed Fixed

01:31:968 (1) - There is a huge finish on the tail here that is not even cliacked but you still make the other finish at 01:32:455 (2) - a huge jump, 01:31:968 (1) - would feel better as 1/2 slide rand a circle where its tail currently is Ok

The spacing emphasis is imo the biggest thing that could be currently improved cause there isn't really anything of that atm

Last edited by Serizawa Haruki December 28, 2017 at 4:46:06 PM UTC, edited 1 times in total.

Frontlines

109 posts

Joined July 2017

Frontlines December 28, 2017 at 12:18:54 PM UTC

when i played the diffs they looked really very great and reflective of the song

easy:
00:01:644 - 00:02:941 those sliders should be the same if you follow the vocals here
on a lot of places the sliders are a different shape for the same sound and
slider shapes are one of the very small amount of ways to make easies reflect
the song
00:40:239 - make it a normal 1/1 slider
00:37:968 (3) - could use a red anchor cause that seems important
u can use red anchors in kiai aswell

eh no normal?

hard:
00:09:752 (2) - maybe use a weird shape to signal the sv is changing also NC
00:41:293 - http://prntscr.com/hsvngr for a neater organization also the sliders appear to be unsnapped
again could use red anchors on kiai for sliders but overall very good

insane:
00:08:374 - http://prntscr.com/hsvoq5 again just visual organization
00:55:806 - if those jumps were more spaced it would make more sense in the context of the map/song
again, really good

elcheers insane:
00:05:212 - if you want to emphasize to using spacing emphasis should work quite well
lol thats the only thing in this diff for me

spaces insane:
00:06:347 - i had to point this one out cause i love jow he uses uncomfortable flow to emphasze the sound
jumped to. BUT it doesnt make sense in the context of the map really
00:20:455 - change the spacing of the stream because before that 1/1 was signaled through the same spacing
and even tho i know you made it to make the entry of the stream more readable it would make more sense imo
01:26:010 - http://prntscr.com/htbmk1 would make more sense as it isnt jumping to an important sound yet its hard to play

fapu's extra: (great name btw and great diff aswell)
00:00:023 - ctrl+g
00:20:779 - could reduce rhythm density as this section is quite calm
its actually the only diff without reduced rhythm density at those calm sections tho

desperation:
00:27:914 - could be emphasized better same with 00:38:455

im surprised how good this map is and im hoping to see it ranked. gl

Stack

709 posts

Joined March 2015

Stack December 28, 2017 at 1:24:54 PM UTC

J a c k wrote:
Gottagof4st wrote:
Desperation
00:52:239 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This all feels really cluttered in the centre without really any points of emphasis or anything, making them more distinct groups of sliders would fit better This section is really monotonous, there's not really anything worth emphasizing
You could emphasize the sliders with vocals on them 00:52:563 (4,5) - /00:53:860 (3,4) - /00:55:158 (3,4) -

Faputa

800 posts

Joined May 2011

Faputa December 28, 2017 at 3:09:28 PM UTC

Frontlines wrote:
when i played the diffs they looked really very great and reflective of the song

fapu's extra: (great name btw and great diff aswell) Glad you like the diff
00:00:023 - ctrl+g This is intentional to have a large spacing to (2) VS (2) to (3) and (4). And I have one also at 00:20:779 (1) - , but less obvious.
00:20:779 - could reduce rhythm density as this section is quite calm For me, I would rate this as 2nd most calm, but the most calmest one is the section starting from 00:41:536 (1) - . I wanna emphasize it so I mapped like so in 00:20:779 -
its actually the only diff without reduced rhythm density at those calm sections tho

im surprised how good this map is and im hoping to see it ranked. gl

Thank you for the mod. Although I didn't take any suggestions, but you've spent your time on modding this map. Thank you

Serizawa Haruki

1,160 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki December 28, 2017 at 3:50:47 PM UTC

Frontlines wrote:
when i played the diffs they looked really very great and reflective of the song Thank you :3

easy:
00:01:644 - 00:02:941 those sliders should be the same if you follow the vocals here
on a lot of places the sliders are a different shape for the same sound and
slider shapes are one of the very small amount of ways to make easies reflect
the song Hmm I think aesthetics are more important than all the slider shapes being the same
00:40:239 - make it a normal 1/1 slider These drums are important imo and add a little variation so I'm keeping them
00:37:968 (3) - could use a red anchor cause that seems important
u can use red anchors in kiai aswell I want to keep the rhythm as simple as possible overall because if I make it harder, the name Easy doesn't really fit anymore, it's 1.67* already but thanks for your suggestions

eh no normal? GD is still being mapped

insane:
00:08:374 - http://prntscr.com/hsvoq5 again just visual organization Yeah they could be more spaced out but this is the pattern I use in multiple sections of the map so I think consistency is more important
00:55:806 - if those jumps were more spaced it would make more sense in the context of the map/song
again, really good The distance between the circles is increasing because the song gets more intense and spacing them out would just unnecessarily increase the star rating imo

desperation:
00:27:914 - could be emphasized better same with 00:38:455 I'm not following the vocals at all so I'll keep it this way so the distance is equal, looks better imo

im surprised how good this map is and im hoping to see it ranked. gl

Thanks again

Gottagof4st wrote:
Desperation
00:52:239 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This all feels really cluttered in the centre without really any points of emphasis or anything, making them more distinct groups of sliders would fit better This section is really monotonous, there's not really anything worth emphasizing
You could emphasize the sliders with vocals on them 00:52:563 (4,5) - /00:53:860 (3,4) - /00:55:158 (3,4) -

Ok I changed the patterns and increased the distance for the sliders with vocals on them

Last edited by Serizawa Haruki December 28, 2017 at 4:21:40 PM UTC, edited 1 times in total.

Faputa

800 posts

Joined May 2011

Faputa December 28, 2017 at 4:01:48 PM UTC

m3gB3g wrote:
hi !~ m4m (PM)

Fapu Extra

00:08:131 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - cool stream m8! Space make sense here and mapped well thanks
01:12:022 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - but this one looks very random. Bcs music dont have intense character to force make rising space stream. Also it plays bad. Make regular stream here pls. changed in other mods
01:22:401 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^ 01:22:401 (1,2,3) - this..yayks Changed before while irc mod with someone
00:59:698 (1) - absolutely random spinner. I dont understand his purpose. It tells nothing. And after this spinner you didnt map drums(another diffs did). fixed in other mods Remove spinner and map drums pls. Also it would make more sense if you continued to map piano , you start it here 00:57:104 (1,2,3) - but in next piano note you add spinner 00:57:104 (1,2,3) - and missed one piano sound here 01:00:347 - . ^
That all. All diffs is actually good. GL with rank boys!

Sorry for not responding before, because they are all fixed in different way

But thanks for modding!

Ulqui

394 posts

Joined December 2011

Ulqui December 28, 2017 at 4:16:34 PM UTC

Henlo poiiboii
nm requested in my queue

[Muzukashii]

00:00:023 - finisher cuz crash or cymbal sound idk uwuwuwuwuwu
00:07:806 - finisher cuz similar with 00:09:104 - deez
and 00:10:401 - finisher cuz why not (okno the sound is pretty intense, laek 00:15:590 - deezzzzzzz)
00:25:968 - finisher cuz cymbal (but this isn't that intense so reject if u want uwu)
imo it will be better if u 00:31:077 - delete this and 00:30:995 - this. And 00:30:671 - add d here... Then 00:31:158 - finisher owo k d d k d d k to follow guitar
00:36:347 (136,137,138,139,140) - i think d d k k d is nice for this (if you really want to follow 00:36:347 - cymbal here then k d k k d uwu)
00:37:968 (144,145) - ctrl+g cuz drum?
00:41:536 - finisher...
00:46:887 - this feels better 00:47:212 - here imo
00:51:914 - finisherrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzz
01:01:968 - k (snare) 01:02:131 - D (cymbal but kick)
01:02:941 (221,222,223,224) - d k k d would be nice to follow vocal and drum
^if u accept then 01:03:752 - k for dem high vocal
01:04:563 (228,229) - ctrl+g cuz drum
01:09:428 - change to k, so u can invert 01:08:131 (243,244,245,246,247) - this pattern(? ( dkdk d kdkd k )
01:10:563 - add d, idk why
01:12:509 - D, kick sound
01:13:320 (267,268,269,270) - d k k d, reason mentioned i think...
01:14:779 (273,274,275) - d k D cuz drum
01:15:914 (278,279,280,281) - k d d k, like 01:05:536 (232,233,234,235) - (?
01:17:374 (284,285,286) - kkk (sanres) 01:17:698 - D (kick)
01:18:509 (290,291,292,293) - d d k d feels better imo
01:19:968 (296) - k so u will not repeat d d k d^

[Oni]

check the same finisher stuff i mentioned in muzu uwu
00:08:536 - move to 00:08:860 - and change to k? for a cleaner pattern
00:14:941 - remove finisher Dx, ddK is really annoying
00:15:266 - remove finisher or 00:15:185 - delete deezzzzz

pls check same drum stuff i mentioned in muzu
(if you are going to vocalmap, then please don't avoid drum, remember drum is the priority since taiko is about drumzzzzzzzzz ewe)

Poii

1,340 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii December 28, 2017 at 4:54:14 PM UTC

Ulqui wrote:
Henlo poiiboii
nm requested in my queue

[Muzukashii]

00:00:023 - finisher cuz crash or cymbal sound idk uwuwuwuwuwu
00:07:806 - finisher cuz similar with 00:09:104 - deez
and 00:10:401 - finisher cuz why not (okno the sound is pretty intense, laek 00:15:590 - deezzzzzzz)
00:25:968 - finisher cuz cymbal (but this isn't that intense so reject if u want uwu)
imo it will be better if u 00:31:077 - delete this and 00:30:995 - this. And 00:30:671 - add d here... Then 00:31:158 - finisher owo k d d k d d k to follow guitar
00:36:347 (136,137,138,139,140) - i think d d k k d is nice for this (if you really want to follow 00:36:347 - cymbal here then k d k k d uwu)
00:37:968 (144,145) - ctrl+g cuz drum?
00:41:536 - finisher...
00:46:887 - this feels better 00:47:212 - here imo
00:51:914 - finisherrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzz
01:01:968 - k (snare) 01:02:131 - D (cymbal but kick)
01:02:941 (221,222,223,224) - d k k d would be nice to follow vocal and drum
^if u accept then 01:03:752 - k for dem high vocal
01:04:563 (228,229) - ctrl+g cuz drum
01:09:428 - change to k, so u can invert 01:08:131 (243,244,245,246,247) - this pattern(? ( dkdk d kdkd k )
01:10:563 - add d, idk why
01:12:509 - D, kick sound
01:13:320 (267,268,269,270) - d k k d, reason mentioned i think...
01:14:779 (273,274,275) - d k D cuz drum
01:15:914 (278,279,280,281) - k d d k, like 01:05:536 (232,233,234,235) - (?
01:17:374 (284,285,286) - kkk (sanres) 01:17:698 - D (kick)
01:18:509 (290,291,292,293) - d d k d feels better imo
01:19:968 (296) - k so u will not repeat d d k d^

[Oni]

check the same finisher stuff i mentioned in muzu uwu
00:08:536 - move to 00:08:860 - and change to k? for a cleaner pattern
00:14:941 - remove finisher Dx, ddK is really annoying
00:15:266 - remove finisher or 00:15:185 - delete deezzzzz

pls check same drum stuff i mentioned in muzu
(if you are going to vocalmap, then please don't avoid drum, remember drum is the priority since taiko is about drumzzzzzzzzz ewe)

demn ulquboii rip takos =/= music box, will edit this tmr

ty ulquboii

Elcheer

348 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer December 28, 2017 at 6:28:47 PM UTC

Frontlines wrote:
elcheers insane:
00:05:212 - if you want to emphasize to using spacing emphasis should work quite well
lol thats the only thing in this diff for me fixed

thanks!

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Frontlines

109 posts

Joined July 2017

Frontlines December 28, 2017 at 7:18:44 PM UTC

J a c k wrote:
Frontlines wrote:
when i played the diffs they looked really very great and reflective of the song Thank you :3

easy:
00:01:644 - 00:02:941 those sliders should be the same if you follow the vocals here
on a lot of places the sliders are a different shape for the same sound and
slider shapes are one of the very small amount of ways to make easies reflect
the song Hmm I think aesthetics are more important than all the slider shapes being the same no trust me they arent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0SSyjtI6A but they should be the same when music is the same ... thats structure
00:40:239 - make it a normal 1/1 slider These drums are important imo and add a little variation so I'm keeping them
fine
00:37:968 (3) - could use a red anchor cause that seems important
u can use red anchors in kiai aswell I want to keep the rhythm as simple as possible overall because if I make it harder, the name Easy doesn't really fit anymore, it's 1.67* already but thanks for your suggestions i think you thought i said red tick but i meant making the sliders with a sharp curve

eh no normal? GD is still being mapped

insane:
00:08:374 - http://prntscr.com/hsvoq5 again just visual organization Yeah they could be more spaced out but this is the pattern I use in multiple sections of the map so I think consistency is more important the idea is that they just look better like that and you can change the other ones to be the same way lol
00:55:806 - if those jumps were more spaced it would make more sense in the context of the map/song
again, really good The distance between the circles is increasing because the song gets more intense and spacing them out would just unnecessarily increase the star rating imo

desperation:
00:27:914 - could be emphasized better same with 00:38:455 I'm not following the vocals at all so I'll keep it this way so the distance is equal, looks better imo

im surprised how good this map is and im hoping to see it ranked. gl
Thanks again

Gottagof4st wrote:
Desperation
00:52:239 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This all feels really cluttered in the centre without really any points of emphasis or anything, making them more distinct groups of sliders would fit better This section is really monotonous, there's not really anything worth emphasizing
You could emphasize the sliders with vocals on them 00:52:563 (4,5) - /00:53:860 (3,4) - /00:55:158 (3,4) -
Ok I changed the patterns and increased the distance for the sliders with vocals on them

Serizawa Haruki

1,160 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki December 28, 2017 at 8:00:59 PM UTC

Frontlines wrote:
easy:
00:01:644 - 00:02:941 those sliders should be the same if you follow the vocals here
on a lot of places the sliders are a different shape for the same sound and
slider shapes are one of the very small amount of ways to make easies reflect
the song Hmm I think aesthetics are more important than all the slider shapes being the same no trust me they arent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0SSyjtI6A but they should be the same when music is the same ... thats structure I get your point but the fact that slider shapes should represent the song is something subjective and it's not possible to follow this concept in every map, this song has many repetitive parts and therefore I don't think it's necessary to change the slider shapes according to the sound they follow
00:40:239 - make it a normal 1/1 slider These drums are important imo and add a little variation so I'm keeping them
fine
00:37:968 (3) - could use a red anchor cause that seems important
u can use red anchors in kiai aswell I want to keep the rhythm as simple as possible overall because if I make it harder, the name Easy doesn't really fit anymore, it's 1.67* already but thanks for your suggestions i think you thought i said red tick but i meant making the sliders with a sharp curve Oh i understand now but as I said, I use slider shapes according to what fits the best aesthetically and not according to sounds

eh no normal? GD is still being mapped

insane:
00:08:374 - http://prntscr.com/hsvoq5 again just visual organization Yeah they could be more spaced out but this is the pattern I use in multiple sections of the map so I think consistency is more important the idea is that they just look better like that and you can change the other ones to be the same way lol I'm still considering whether to change this or not
00:55:806 - if those jumps were more spaced it would make more sense in the context of the map/song
again, really good The distance between the circles is increasing because the song gets more intense and spacing them out would just unnecessarily increase the star rating imo

desperation:
00:27:914 - could be emphasized better same with 00:38:455 I'm not following the vocals at all so I'll keep it this way so the distance is equal, looks better imo

Thanks for clarifying

realy0_

1,565 posts

Joined August 2016

realy0_ December 29, 2017 at 12:31:07 AM UTC

heya, sorry for the late mod

Easy

General :

this difficulty seems too cramped, you don't really like to use the corners
really nothing to say to polish it, but you could a least try a bit to represent in some parts the vocal because only mapping the drum could be meh in a song with vocals for a primary instrument.
also the rhythm could be more varied for example 00:02:941 (2) - could be replaced with 2 circles, there is a ton of spam slider in this part : 00:00:995 (3,4,1,2,3), 5 sliders in a row is boring to play, i would avoid placing more than 3 sliders in a row or long consecutive repetitive patterns. adding 1 or 2 more patterns would make the difficulty a lot more fun to play.

00:36:347 (1,2) - this visual is only used 1 time through the map which make this a bit weird to watch, i would just make curved 1 for that.
01:05:536 (2,1) - i know you can't avoid the overlap but can you try to make the overlap better by making 1 perfectly overlap the slider's end of 2 ?
01:10:239 (2,3,1) - this part have kinda a weird visual pattern, could you try to do something with 3 so it doesn't look randomly placed ?

Ky's Hard

00:03:914 (1,2) - make the ds of these 0,8 ? it's kinda hard to see with the overlap, do that for every objects that have the same pattern
00:08:455 (3,4,1,2) - i think this could be improved by increasing the ds to 0,8 and following this pic : https://i.imgur.com/00LmHPC.png
00:20:131 (3,4,1) - ^, if you don't understand the suggestion above, it's to try to align them.
00:32:455 (1,2,3,4) - why this have the same rhythm pattern as 00:31:158 (1,2,3,4) -
00:37:644 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:01:968 (6,1) - the ds increase makes players interpret this as a 1/1 gap, keep the ds consistant please
01:07:320 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - this is a bit hard to read for a low 3*
some of the suggestions could be applied on the whole diff

Insane

this difficulty seems too cramped, you don't really like to use the corners again
the kiai seems to only use 1 pattern, same problem in easy in a lesser scale

00:05:212 (1,2) - i don't like when you do unnecessary mouvement, it play the same note so they should be stacked, it's more natural to do that.
00:55:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - yay pp farm ! (unnecessary comment)

Elcheer's Insane

plz use the top left corner and the bottom left
parts with vocals seems too dense compared to the rest, some non-kiais part is denser than the kiai.

00:10:887 (4,1) - nazi but you can make the blanket better

Space's Insane

this difficulty is really hard to read, increasing ar to 9,4 would help a bit

00:00:833 (4) - this is a bit overspaced, the emphasis is a bit too much.
00:05:374 (2) - for me, it's was a bit hard to read this

Fapu's Extra

give some love to the top left corner

00:02:617 (1,2) - i'm really mad when these doesn't flow 100% well even because aesthics
00:15:266 (6) - can't read this (maybe because i'm trash)
01:00:995 (1) - why ignoring the drums ? you mapped the drums before in the buildup

Desperation

your rhythm choice is questionnable...

00:02:617 (1,2,3,4) - i would change a bit the rhythm pattern to differentiate from 00:01:320 (1,2,3,4) -

k~~this is a polished garbage aaaaaaaaaa~~

Jonis221

273 posts

Joined October 2013

Jonis221 December 29, 2017 at 12:35:18 AM UTC

probably useless mod, but still.

[General]

Hitsounds needs to be consistent in every std difficulty, otherwise it will be pretty odd for bn's and more experienced mappers to watch. ( This tool called hitsound copier can speed up these things you can take a look here t/131540 )
Consider adding normal difficulty, because it's pretty uncommon to skip something in between, I wish to make this diff, but Bpm is little too high for me.xd

[Easy]
00:12:347 (4,1) - For aesthetical purposes make angle more symmetrical. Cause when it's flipped it kinda looks like this https://i.imgur.com/am4DiuX.png
01:11:698 (1) - Comparing measures that you used for combos, this one doesn't feels like wanted to be nc'ed.
01:10:401 - 01:09:104 - 01:19:482 - These one covers pretty clear sound, which should be considerably mappable. ( How about to try something like this https://i.imgur.com/zQZPTVY.png this one supposed to follow that rhythm.)

[Hard]
00:00:023 (1,2) - Same problem with angles as mentioned in easy.
00:41:536 (1,2) - 00:43:482 (2,3) - 00:55:158 (3,4) - ^
00:44:779 (2,3) - imo blanket could be done better.
00:52:239 (3,4,5) - I noticed there's a 40 degrees difference between 3 and 4, but 60 degrees between 4 and 5, so consider to make consistent transitions in rotation for aesthetical purposes.
00:53:860 (3,4) - Again you can stick with 40 degree to emphasize difference.
01:06:022 (1,2,3,4) - Again keep consistent transition in rotation. ( Like you did here 01:13:806 (1,2,3,4) - )
01:16:401 (1,2,3) - ^
01:26:131 (2,3,1) - This pattern would look nice if you just blanket these 01:26:617 (3,1) -
01:30:833 (1,2) - You can try to rotate top slider a bit to get a better parallel.

[Insane]
00:29:536 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - not sure about constant stacking in this part, it will make things harder to read, espacially it will look kinda messed up in easy mod, consider to do something like you did here 00:55:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - , by doing this every note will be visible at least.
01:17:212 (3) - This one overlaps with hp bar.
01:32:455 (2,3,4,5,6) - Star typo pattern could be neater, try ctrl+shift+d (polygon circles creation tool) to save some time.

Epsile

93 posts

Joined February 2014

Epsile December 30, 2017 at 2:20:05 AM UTC

Hey there, what's up? I'm your friendly taiko modder.

00:28:563 (106) - You could make this d for better flow.
00:30:995 (117,118,119) - In my mind, this would sound better if it was ddd.
00:35:698 (135,136) - Ctrl + g for emphasis on the singer.
00:37:320 (142,143) - ^?
00:51:914 - Here's where things are weird. You start mapping to the vocals rather than the drums, which doesn't make for a very enticing climb to the chorus. This section feels really empty, in my opinion.
01:04:077 (227) - k for flow.
01:16:239 (280) - d for better musicality.
01:17:374 (284,285,286,287) - kkk d instead because it emphasizes the drums better.
Overall a good difficulty. I think some sections should be remapped to further follow the drums moreso than the lyrics because that, in this song, would make for a more interesting and fun map.

00:19:644 (85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96) - This little section could be remapped to more accurately represent the drums.
00:23:050 (105,106,107) - dkd because singer's notes go up and down.
00:24:347 (111,112,113) - kkd same reason
I think there's a good bit that you could fix in the kiai, such as how your notes represent certain things such as the drums.

I enjoy this mapset. Hopefully it gets ranked.

Faputa

800 posts

Joined May 2011

Faputa December 30, 2017 at 2:26:23 AM UTC

realy0_ wrote:
heya, sorry for the late mod

Fapu's Extra

give some love to the top left corner

00:02:617 (1,2) - i'm really mad when these doesn't flow 100% well even because aesthics I think its fine. It is at the end of the day an extra diff.
00:15:266 (6) - can't read this (maybe because i'm trash) Yea, I think this one is also fine, It is not hard to see the incoming approach circle and HD still works too.
01:00:995 (1) - why ignoring the drums ? you mapped the drums before in the buildup Added back, and gave some love to the top left corner ❤

[k~~this is a polished garbage aaaaaaaaaa~~

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Serizawa Haruki

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Serizawa Haruki December 30, 2017 at 2:52:21 AM UTC

realy0_ wrote:
heya, sorry for the late mod

Easy

General :

this difficulty seems too cramped, you don't really like to use the corners Who cares about corners?
really nothing to say to polish it, but you could a least try a bit to represent in some parts the vocal because only mapping the drum could be meh in a song with vocals for a primary instrument. I actually mapped the vocals in some parts, not only drums
also the rhythm could be more varied for example 00:02:941 (2) - could be replaced with 2 circles, there is a ton of spam slider in this part : 00:00:995 (3,4,1,2,3), 5 sliders in a row is boring to play, i would avoid placing more than 3 sliders in a row or long consecutive repetitive patterns. adding 1 or 2 more patterns would make the difficulty a lot more fun to play. I use many sliders there because the sounds are the same, I prefer to keep it consistent

00:36:347 (1,2) - this visual is only used 1 time through the map which make this a bit weird to watch, i would just make curved 1 for that. Fixed
01:05:536 (2,1) - i know you can't avoid the overlap but can you try to make the overlap better by making 1 perfectly overlap the slider's end of 2 ? Fixed
01:10:239 (2,3,1) - this part have kinda a weird visual pattern, could you try to do something with 3 so it doesn't look randomly placed ? You may be right about that but there is no better way to arrange this and it's not that bad imo

Insane

this difficulty seems too cramped, you don't really like to use the corners again Again, it's not necessary to use the entire playfield
the kiai seems to only use 1 pattern, same problem in easy in a lesser scale Yeah maybe because the rhythm is always the same?

00:05:212 (1,2) - i don't like when you do unnecessary mouvement, it play the same note so they should be stacked, it's more natural to do that. It's a strong sound therefore a jump is appropriate
00:55:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - yay pp farm ! (unnecessary comment) xd

Desperation

your rhythm choice is questionnable... Not really, it fits the song perfectly if you listen closely

00:02:617 (1,2,3,4) - i would change a bit the rhythm pattern to differentiate from 00:01:320 (1,2,3,4) - Why would I do that? They are basically the same so they should have the same pattern
k~~this is a polished garbage aaaaaaaaaa~~

EggsGone wrote:
probably useless mod, but still.

[General]
Hitsounds needs to be consistent in every std difficulty, otherwise it will be pretty odd for bn's and more experienced mappers to watch. ( This tool called hitsound copier can speed up these things you can take a look here t/131540 ) I know but the problem is that every mapper has a different interpretation of the rhythm, i use the same hitsounds in all of my diffs but not the GDs because they are different rhythm-wise. But I think everyone should check their hitsounds to keep consistency
Consider adding normal difficulty, because it's pretty uncommon to skip something in between, I wish to make this diff, but Bpm is little too high for me.xd Yes, normal diff is being made my someone

[Easy]
00:12:347 (4,1) - For aesthetical purposes make angle more symmetrical. Cause when it's flipped it kinda looks like this https://i.imgur.com/am4DiuX.png Fixed
01:11:698 (1) - Comparing measures that you used for combos, this one doesn't feels like wanted to be nc'ed. No, this is meant to be this way for emphasis
01:10:401 - 01:09:104 - 01:19:482 - These one covers pretty clear sound, which should be considerably mappable. ( How about to try something like this https://i.imgur.com/zQZPTVY.png this one supposed to follow that rhythm.) Good suggestion but I mapped the vocals here, I only mapped the drums too if they are stronger than usually

[Insane]
00:29:536 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - not sure about constant stacking in this part, it will make things harder to read, espacially it will look kinda messed up in easy mod, consider to do something like you did here 00:55:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - , by doing this every note will be visible at least.
01:17:212 (3) - This one overlaps with hp bar. Fixed
01:32:455 (2,3,4,5,6) - Star typo pattern could be neater, try ctrl+shift+d (polygon circles creation tool) to save some time.
It's not a perfect star because the distance between the circles is increasing and that's what I wanted to do here

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