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16:32 *Venix is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1354571 Konuko - Toumei Elegy [Easy]]
16:33 Venix: 00:04:439 (2,1) - fix dat blanket xD
16:33 Venix: 00:05:530 (1,1) - rip stack
16:33 M a r v o l l o: it isn't a blanket
16:33 M a r v o l l o: so not gonna change
16:33 Venix: shape blanket
16:33 Venix: xD
16:33 Venix: 00:08:803 (2,1) - stacks are uncomfortable on easy
16:34 M a r v o l l o: fixed stack
16:34 Venix: what about silencing slider slide?
16:34 M a r v o l l o: it's good
16:34 Venix: on vocal parts sound bad
16:34 Venix: xD
16:34 M a r v o l l o: im fine with this slider slide
16:34 M a r v o l l o: it isn't very hearable
16:35 Venix: 01:06:348 (3) - i think you can move this circle inside these sliders
16:36 M a r v o l l o: Ok
16:37 Venix: ok that's all
Expert
00:19:985 (2,9) - 00:20:257 (4,7) - этих оверлапов можно избежать
00:24:212 (2,7) - стак?
00:59:530 (4,6) - 6 можно сдвинуть чуть влево, по-моему так будет красивее
01:31:439 - уверен что стоит игнорировать этот бит?
00:24:212 (2,7) - стак?
00:59:530 (4,6) - 6 можно сдвинуть чуть влево, по-моему так будет красивее
01:31:439 - уверен что стоит игнорировать этот бит?
Another
00:35:257 (3,4) - как-то неоч этот паттерн музыку передает, может лучше 00:35:598 (4) - удалить, а 00:35:257 (3) - сделать реверсом?
01:06:212 (5) - как-то финиш тут не в тему
01:06:212 (5) - как-то финиш тут не в тему
Slayed's Itai/Waji's Hard
глгде киай
Wajiklak's Normal
00:56:803 - лучше эту сделать кликабельным на сильный бит
Another
мало здесь чего найти но только я эту нашел имхо ибо я сонный(7 утра)00:55:439 (3,4,5,6) - 00:57:621 (4,5,6,7) - 01:09:621 (5,6,7,8) - не вижу смысла здесь ставить ибо тут нет никаких звуков онли вокал :thinking:
еще чекну если есть время
insane check
SPOILER
21:46 vanucik: я почти хард сделал
21:47 Shmiklak: армин будет со мной коллабить изик
21:47 vanucik: еее
21:57 vanucik: всё
21:57 vanucik: закночил хардик
21:57 vanucik: 3.34
21:57 vanucik: я научился мапать хардики чтобы старрейт выше 3.5 не поднимался
21:57 vanucik: еее
21:57 Shmiklak: :D
21:57 Shmiklak: армин тебе скинет наш изик
21:58 vanucik: ок
21:59 *Shmiklak is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1355948 Konuko - Toumei Elegy]
21:59 Shmiklak: ты вроде еще не заценивал
21:59 Shmiklak: зацени
21:59 vanucik: я смотрел
21:59 Shmiklak: как тебе?
21:59 vanucik: почему 8.5
21:59 vanucik: почему не 9
21:59 Shmiklak: я чё знаю
21:59 Shmiklak: так поставил
21:59 vanucik: ну ты же видишь
21:59 vanucik: каша ебаная
22:00 vanucik: получается
22:00 Shmiklak: лан
22:00 Shmiklak: ща исправлю
22:00 vanucik: и почему од 7.5
22:00 vanucik: это же инс
22:00 vanucik: а не хайпер какой-нить
22:00 Shmiklak: какой надо?
22:00 vanucik: 8 стандарт
22:00 Shmiklak: хорошо
22:00 vanucik: с вас кудосу
22:00 vanucik: ахахах
22:01 Shmiklak: я не против даже
22:01 vanucik: хм
22:01 vanucik: кстати да лишний кд мне нужен
22:01 vanucik: мне тут обосрать или дополнить на форуме?
22:01 Shmiklak: запость
22:01 Shmiklak: я дам
22:01 Shmiklak: как тебе удобно
22:02 vanucik: всё равно никто не поймёт хахах!!!!!!111
22:02 vanucik: ну если только твои форумы бакари не чекает
22:02 vanucik: я это вырежу
22:03 Shmiklak: он еще как чекает
22:03 Shmiklak: он еще придёт
22:04 vanucik: ещё у тебя тут 3\4 слайдеры далеко стоят
22:04 vanucik: я бы впритык поставил
22:05 vanucik: стак бы сделал
22:05 vanucik: их с перовго раза нереал заметить
22:07 vanucik: 01:05:530 (1) - тут вообще две нотки, вокал жи
22:08 Shmiklak: я ща
22:08 Shmiklak: пиши пока что
22:08 vanucik: 01:22:303 (3,4) - вот зря ты так ставишь близко, после тех 3\4 слайдеров можно как 1\4 прожать
22:08 vanucik: ну тут такая херь часто встречатся
22:09 vanucik: 00:40:848 (2,3) - ну это прям ваще палево
22:10 vanucik: 00:43:712 (1,2,4,5) - вот тут эти хорошо стоят
22:10 vanucik: а с 1\2 паузами слишком близко относительно этих
22:10 vanucik: я бы просто подальше 1\2 ставил
22:10 vanucik: чтобы визуально было понятно
22:11 vanucik: 00:44:803 (1,2,3,4) - ну сэйм короче
22:12 vanucik: 00:44:803 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - вот думаю тебя могут ли трахнуть за непостоянность в расставлении нк
22:12 vanucik: можешь ещё ренеймнуть в "shmiklak insane fast sliders mlg no scope 420"
22:13 vanucik: ну я короче всё
22:14 Shmiklak: спасибо
seriously though, is there any reason to cut the song besides laziness?
Topic Starter
Many people like playing short maps instead of full length.
most of that enjoyment comes from the reward they get though, not about the song actually being longer, don't you think? it's not like the original version is excessively long to the point where it's not enjoyable (~3:40 length) either, i never saw anyone complain about the original version's length.
also i think more people would be disappointed rather than happy that such an iconic song in osu was cut down like this. it just looks like a lazy way to get plays on your maps, mapping a popular song and cutting it so that people can retry spam the difficulties they want pp from. it worked once with responsibility response though i guess!
edit: please give me a real answer this time, and not just have your friends (who are doing the exact same thing as this!)
call me stupid and tell me i should just ignore maps i have problems with: https://ukaku.s-ul.eu/0fHOwsYV
also i think more people would be disappointed rather than happy that such an iconic song in osu was cut down like this. it just looks like a lazy way to get plays on your maps, mapping a popular song and cutting it so that people can retry spam the difficulties they want pp from. it worked once with responsibility response though i guess!
edit: please give me a real answer this time, and not just have your friends (who are doing the exact same thing as this!)
call me stupid and tell me i should just ignore maps i have problems with: https://ukaku.s-ul.eu/0fHOwsYV
So many people cut the songs, but you complain this map just because it's from Shmiklak, if you don't like all cut versions then make a thread for this about cuting songs
ok, you can now stop with the nonsense.
Mappers are free to do whatever they want. The fact you don't like a cut song doesn't concern quality and/or qualification (unless the cut was executed awfully)
Mappers are free to do whatever they want. The fact you don't like a cut song doesn't concern quality and/or qualification (unless the cut was executed awfully)
Topic Starter
lol I don't have to give you a real answer for cutting a song. There is already a full version and I want to make short version. RC tells us that minimal length of the song must be 30 seconds, it doesn't say "YOU MUST MAP FULL LENGTH". I see you don't really know how does mapping system work and I suggest to you to learn things before speaking.
i don't think anybody stopped you from doing this
well i guess it's a bit offtopic but i still don't get why extanding 3 seconds to make a 4mn57 song is forbidden and unrankable like that squartatrice map but cutting 2minutes 30 seconds of a 4 minutes song is totally okay
you're free of doing what you want but yea, most poeple will find it disgusting.
hf
edit: if you're lazy or whatever you could simply chose an existing tvsize or shorter song, it wont be distasteful this way
well i guess it's a bit offtopic but i still don't get why extanding 3 seconds to make a 4mn57 song is forbidden and unrankable like that squartatrice map but cutting 2minutes 30 seconds of a 4 minutes song is totally okay
you're free of doing what you want but yea, most poeple will find it disgusting.
hf
edit: if you're lazy or whatever you could simply chose an existing tvsize or shorter song, it wont be distasteful this way
I don't think it's a great idea to continue this encouragement to only play 1:30 maps
obviously you can do this, there's shorter songs that have been ranked and you guys have done this in the past (i actually mentioned this before). also who am i trying to screw with? it was an actual question, i think it's a lazy way of getting plays on your maps and i wanted to know if there was any actual reason why you'd do this. you should try to have actual discussions with people before resorting to "no-one cares" and getting your friends to post garbage here when you have nothing to back up your actions.M a r v o l l o wrote:
lol I don't have to give you a real answer for cutting a song. There is already a full version and I want to make short version. RC tells us that minimal length of the song must be 30 seconds, it doesn't say "YOU MUST MAP FULL LENGTH". I see you don't really know how does mapping system work and I suggest to you to learn things before speaking.
feel free to do this! don't expect positive feedback though
u could at least like care about criticism instead of just going "meh it's not disallowed in rc so whatever i do is ok"
fixedM a r v o l l o wrote:
Many people like MAPPING short maps instead of full length.
Topic Starter
lol what the hell is going on. I see you are just trying to meme and trigger me. I amn't going to answer to any new message about the length of the song
Is that not what you've been doing already? When anyone has mentioned the length of the song to this point, you've just shrugged it off and said that "no-one cares". While it is true that the ranking criteria doesn't say anything about shortening the length of maps (as long as it's above 30s), that doesn't necessarily make it okay, in all honesty. At this point, it's fair to say that people do care, hence why so many people are talking about it.M a r v o l l o wrote:
lol what the hell is going on. I see you are just trying to meme and trigger me. I amn't going to answer to any new message about the length of the song
But yeah, while it is technically okay to do this, and we can't really stop you from doing so, it doesn't mean people are going to be happy with you doing so. Linada had a good point when they said:
But anyway, you do you. It's not my place to say anything otherwise.Linada wrote:
you could simply chose an existing tvsize or shorter song, it wont be distasteful this way
Vanilla
if you're implying some kind of double standards are being held here, both jace and myself have complained about the last notable shitty cut too (conveniently enough, shmiklak himself gd'd on it :p)- Vanilla - wrote:
thats not the only one map where song has been cut, marvollo can map anything he wants srslyJace wrote:
seriously though, is there any reason to cut the song besides laziness?
double standards?? in osu?? no way that could happenunko wrote:
- Vanilla - wrote:
if you're implying some kind of double standards are being held here, both jace and myself have complained about the last notable shitty cut too (conveniently enough, shmiklak himself gd'd on it :p)
anything is possible in a community that respects people with terminal cancer by cutting their song to 40 seconds and making a farmy gd-fest of itMetronome wrote:
double standards?? in osu?? no way that could happen
woah man! watch out with the can*** word there! you might get silenced for it like I did!unko wrote:
anything is possible in a community that respects people with terminal cancer by cutting their song to 40 seconds and making a farm map of itMetronome wrote:
double standards?? in osu?? no way that could happen
guys cutting the song is lazy and shitty but so are my maps and they get ranked too
effort in a map has nothing to do with whether it gets ranked or not, it's been that way since forever, there's not much point in complaining
effort in a map has nothing to do with whether it gets ranked or not, it's been that way since forever, there's not much point in complaining
Okay I have enough with this hope it's ending or someone is looking the therad because this is just too childishly.
Cutting a Song is lazy yeah. But complaining about this is just not needed roasting some because of cutting a song is dumb let the mapper just do what they want.
Hope it wasn't too subjective tho
I don't have nothing against the Map I just find the Drama here pointless
Cutting a Song is lazy yeah. But complaining about this is just not needed roasting some because of cutting a song is dumb let the mapper just do what they want.
It has nothing to do with it that he is a bn he has his own opinion too if the mapper want "positive" feedback he must like just hope for ppl with positive feedback.unko wrote:
this surely has nothing to do with it
People would do a gd fest if it would be a 3 minutes song too having a gd fest is pointless yeah, But it isn't really a problem imo it's like if it dosen't goes too far it shouldn't be a problem (I know this Mapset has a 6* diff but that dosen't really care about the actual fact I pointed out)unko wrote:
anything is possible in a community that respects people with terminal cancer by cutting their song to 40 seconds and making a farmy gd-fest of it
Okay just say that opinions are just a meme and ignore it.M a r v o l l o wrote:
lol what the hell is going on. I see you are just trying to meme and trigger me. I amn't going to answer to any new message about the length of the song
Hope it wasn't too subjective tho
I don't have nothing against the Map I just find the Drama here pointless
почему бы и нет
General
В диффах с Waji's Expert и до Slayed's Itai не понимаю зачем эти брейки в начале, домапайте уже, тв сайз и так, без брейка будет играться намного приятнее
Насчет скина... ну что сказать, белый цвет явно не очень подходит, с такой палитрой не то что бы играть, с ним в редакторе неприятно
Насчет скина... ну что сказать, белый цвет явно не очень подходит, с такой палитрой не то что бы играть, с ним в редакторе неприятно
Expert
00:04:439 (1) - цуто цуто цуто, думаю было бы лучше акцентировать на этом внимание, сделать тут реверс типо http://i.imgur.com/DF8Feee.jpg
00:35:257 (1,2,3) - каша какая та, выглядит не красиво
01:30:621 (1) - спинер не к месту, лучше домапай
00:35:257 (1,2,3) - каша какая та, выглядит не красиво
01:30:621 (1) - спинер не к месту, лучше домапай
Waji's Expert
00:07:712 (3) - слайдер не подходит под 00:05:530 (1,2) -
Ну и даже так, он просто чуток неровный под конец http://i.imgur.com/5OT7UYB.jpg (сори за мегадоебы)
01:12:076 (1) - слишком долгий слайдер , лучше разделить его на два, типо так http://i.imgur.com/4Sp7m7q.jpg
01:18:348 (3) - просто не нравится слайдер
Ну и даже так, он просто чуток неровный под конец http://i.imgur.com/5OT7UYB.jpg (сори за мегадоебы)
01:12:076 (1) - слишком долгий слайдер , лучше разделить его на два, типо так http://i.imgur.com/4Sp7m7q.jpg
01:18:348 (3) - просто не нравится слайдер
Slayed's Itai
думаю тут надо комбо подредактить
01:10:985 (1) - убрать
01:11:121 (2) - новое комбо
01:11:530 (1) - убрать
01:11:666 (2) - новое комбо
01:12:076 (1) - убрать
01:12:348 (2) - новое комбо
Что бы та единичка не была одинокой http://i.imgur.com/69X3epc.jpg , думаю будет лучше если к ней будет вестись фолоупоинт. Будет это выглядеть красивее, та и играться будет приятнее
Ну что бы вышло типо такого http://i.imgur.com/suzT3vj.png
01:31:712 (1) - сейм что и в эксперте,только тут просто реверс,сделай поинтереснее что-то, на 6.5* можно бы и слайдеров хоть понаставить там в конце
И поднял бы од, хотя бы до 9
01:10:985 (1) - убрать
01:11:121 (2) - новое комбо
01:11:530 (1) - убрать
01:11:666 (2) - новое комбо
01:12:076 (1) - убрать
01:12:348 (2) - новое комбо
Что бы та единичка не была одинокой http://i.imgur.com/69X3epc.jpg , думаю будет лучше если к ней будет вестись фолоупоинт. Будет это выглядеть красивее, та и играться будет приятнее
Ну что бы вышло типо такого http://i.imgur.com/suzT3vj.png
01:31:712 (1) - сейм что и в эксперте,только тут просто реверс,сделай поинтереснее что-то, на 6.5* можно бы и слайдеров хоть понаставить там в конце
И поднял бы од, хотя бы до 9
FCL
00:42:621 (1,2) - стакни плз
00:43:985 (1,2,3) - может лучше сделать попроще? хотя бы типо такого http://i.imgur.com/Jw2yLrE.png
00:46:985 (1) - поправь бланкет http://i.imgur.com/HNxv3rk.jpg
00:43:985 (1,2,3) - может лучше сделать попроще? хотя бы типо такого http://i.imgur.com/Jw2yLrE.png
00:46:985 (1) - поправь бланкет http://i.imgur.com/HNxv3rk.jpg
You guys are all IDOTS!!!
Players love tv size maps. You could say it's science when you look at the average length for other rhythm games. It's about the length where players find it engaging and not too long where they find it daunting or even boring.
PS pls hitsound streams
Players love tv size maps. You could say it's science when you look at the average length for other rhythm games. It's about the length where players find it engaging and not too long where they find it daunting or even boring.
PS pls hitsound streams
honestly
players love short maps because high star ones give a beyond retarded amount of pp (daisuki evolution anyone hello lol) and if they're high stars they're mostly just jumpspam (inferno being an exception bc its mostly streams but it has its fair share of jumps)
i'm certain that if a technical tv size map gets ranked not many people will play it bc it doesnt give any pp
players love short maps because high star ones give a beyond retarded amount of pp (daisuki evolution anyone hello lol) and if they're high stars they're mostly just jumpspam (inferno being an exception bc its mostly streams but it has its fair share of jumps)
i'm certain that if a technical tv size map gets ranked not many people will play it bc it doesnt give any pp
Yeah, players love TV size because it lets them show off their ability to fling their cursor around the screen mindlessly without having to do it for so long that it gets difficult
TIL you should map to appeal other mappers instead of mapping for the players
im not a mapper and i think this is lame as fuck lol. i don't think cutting a song that is already ridiculously popular on osu to a 1:30 pp farm is appealing to the players, pretty much everyone i've talked to agrees with me. honestly just sounds like it's appealing to a mapper who can't be assed to map anything above 2 minutesKisses wrote:
TIL you should map to appeal other mappers instead of mapping for the players
i dont mind it
fix problems by attacking their roots, not their symptoms
fix pp system, not attack tv size maps
plus the short edit is well done. it's cool to have a short version of a song to play as well. and as long as the map is well made, who cares how much pp it gives and whether it's a "pp map" or not
fix problems by attacking their roots, not their symptoms
fix pp system, not attack tv size maps
plus the short edit is well done. it's cool to have a short version of a song to play as well. and as long as the map is well made, who cares how much pp it gives and whether it's a "pp map" or not
If the people put effort into mapping something they like or in what they map for some other reason, quality is high etc., then I think it should be fine. If arguments against this are mostly like "it's obviously pp map" or that "people do this to make popular pp maps" etc., then isn't problem laying somewhere else?
If you think that PP is the problem and cause for this, then complain about PP system, to nerf very short songs or something else, idk. However, both mappers and players use the system and what it provides to maximize their individual benefits, that's how the games work from ages ;-)
Someone can dislike cutting songs or TV sizes, maybe sometimes I am in this group too, but that's not the reason to hate on someone else's map and work. There is much of music I dislike and I simply don't play it.
If there are more people who want to discuss this, then maybe let's leave this mapset thread and move somewhere else : forum, reddit, some other place, and discuss this matter there. I would gladly hear some propositions too c:
If you think that PP is the problem and cause for this, then complain about PP system, to nerf very short songs or something else, idk. However, both mappers and players use the system and what it provides to maximize their individual benefits, that's how the games work from ages ;-)
Someone can dislike cutting songs or TV sizes, maybe sometimes I am in this group too, but that's not the reason to hate on someone else's map and work. There is much of music I dislike and I simply don't play it.
If there are more people who want to discuss this, then maybe let's leave this mapset thread and move somewhere else : forum, reddit, some other place, and discuss this matter there. I would gladly hear some propositions too c:
Topic Starter
Ayy lmao, what the hell, it's just stupid. Stop please, you know we all can map short songs and I won't delete this map.
We can all map short songs.
1) this isn't a short song, it's a fairly moderate length song that's had the effort cut out of it.
2) Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Beatmaps aren't something to be factory produced with as little effort as we can possibly put into them. "Not being against the rules" isn't an excuse for this low quality, low effort, same as the last half dozen Slayed top diff GD 1.5 minute retry spam attention magnets. Why not actually do something worth your time?
1) this isn't a short song, it's a fairly moderate length song that's had the effort cut out of it.
2) Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Beatmaps aren't something to be factory produced with as little effort as we can possibly put into them. "Not being against the rules" isn't an excuse for this low quality, low effort, same as the last half dozen Slayed top diff GD 1.5 minute retry spam attention magnets. Why not actually do something worth your time?