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Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-10-31T04:53:14+00:00

sorry for being out of the loop, but what is this doki-doki literature club thing lol

faygo

283 posts

Joined November 2014

faygo 2017-10-31T06:41:06+00:00

response to mod to be edited soon

Nostalgic wrote:
sorry for being out of the loop, but what is this doki-doki literature club thing lol

t/654855
~~just a generic and overhyped romantic visual novel game~~

Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-10-31T07:11:05+00:00

Faygor wrote:
response to mod to be edited soon

Nostalgic wrote:
sorry for being out of the loop, but what is this doki-doki literature club thing lol
t/654855
~~just a generic and overhyped romantic visual novel game~~

heyyy guys i've come up with a totally new and original bg idea!

To all modders: I basically fixed all the problems u guys suggested, thanks!

Morso

50 posts

Joined March 2015

Morso 2017-10-31T10:59:01+00:00

Heart Palpitations

Mod

Mod

00:00:168 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - Maybe try and find a better way to represent the 2 combos in this stream, it feels kinda smushed together

00:00:668 (5) - I suggest using a red anchor hear to represent the sharpness of the sound

00:05:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Feels like there's too much going on here to have this simple of a pattern

00:09:835 (4,1) - 00:10:001 (1) Feels too close to 00:09:835 (4) for that kind of intensity

00:10:835 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - Maybe use a similar but down-scaled pattern like this in the beginning where I said critiqued 00:00:168 (1,2,1,2,3,4)

00:11:668 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - WOAH, HUGE DIFFICULTY SPIKE! This is no huge sound at 00:12:001 (1,2,3) That needed that kind of spacing

00:15:335 (1,2) - The change in slider direction from the previous 00:14:835 (2,3,4) feels out of flow

00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Clean this pattern up

00:19:335 (1,2,3,4) - The change in spacing from the previous 00:18:835 (2,3,4,5) seems unwarranted

00:22:001 (1,2,3,4) - Make these notes stand out more with a different pattern https://puu.sh/yaTAm/9ff878e144.png (something kinda like this)

00:22:668 (1) - There are audible notes during the end of this slider starting on the red tick

00:25:335 (1) - ^

00:28:001 (1) - ^

00:23:668 (1,2) - Spacing too close

00:24:668 (1,2,3,4) - Good, but make the change in movement happen on beat the NC

00:27:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This looks bad, smoothing it out could improve it

00:28:918 (4) - Don't emphasis the blue tick, 00:29:001 (5) Focus this instead

00:30:001 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Spacing between each notes are varied, fix this for a cleaner look

00:36:334 (5) - This note needs more emphasis 00:36:001 (1) like this has

00:44:501 (5) - Feels out of place and doesnt connect the combos well

00:44:668 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - Maybe try something else here, the spacing and emphasis on notes are wrong

00:46:001 (1,1) - There's no need for kick sliders here, due to there being no music on the red ticks

00:47:668 (1,2,3) - Give these notes more emphasis by changing the direction of the slider ends

00:48:001 (1,2,3) - bad spacing

00:49:001 (1,2,3,4) - Change this pattern by changing either the kick slider and adding to 00:49:168 (2,3,4) OR 00:49:168 (2,3) - Change these into a kick slider and make the whole 00:49:001 (1,2,3,4) pattern kick slider jumps, 00:50:668 (1,2,1) like you did here

00:52:001 (1,2,3,4) - This kind of pattern is suitable for when all the notes stay the same, and since all the notes are different here it does not work

00:53:335 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Oh boy, this pattern over all is okay to do. but it feels like a lazy cop-out for a really cool looking and fun stream section. My advice here is to either change this pattern into a really big streamy/kick slider section OR, you can clean up the pattern you already have here. Your choice

00:57:335 (1) - Ugly slider, but right idea

00:58:335 (1,2,3) - Flipping the slider around to face the opposite direction would work better here

00:59:001 (4,5) - Use the same slider shape for each note

01:04:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Once again, you can change this pattern or leave it, I recommend changing it

01:06:835 (2,3,4) - Either make this a full stream or kick sliders. The reverse kick slider gives notes less emphasis than they should get

01:09:501 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - Change this to something else

01:12:001 (1,2) - I don't agree with this overlap

01:12:668 (1,2) - It feel like you only have this spacing to call back to the previous pattern you had at 01:12:335 (3,4) it just looks and feels forced

01:14:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Once again, you can change this pattern or leave it, I recommend changing it

01:24:668 (1,2,3,4) - Good, but the spacing in between each note needs to be even to really make it feel good

01:29:335 (1,2,1,2) - Make the sliders even on both sides in terms of shape to REALLY make it feel nice

01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Wait what? Even though it's the end of the song this and I know you wanted to make the ending harder than the rest, this is just straight up unrankable

01:36:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I think this fits the music better in terms of difficulty because it's the VERY last hard part of the entire song, so I feel that it fits okay here, unlike
01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2)

01:38:335 (1) - Give this note more emphasis like you did for 01:37:669 (1)

01:40:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Kick sliders here feel wrong

01:41:335 (1) - Use a different slider shape here

Compliments

Compliments

00:01:335 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I like how you lower the spacing to represent the scale down in notes

00:07:668 (3,4,1) - I like the change in pattern to represent the change in music

00:26:668 (1,2,3,4,5) - Good transition

00:32:668 (1) - Good

00:33:335 (1) - Also good

01:03:168 (4,1,2) - I like this

01:10:668 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Imo, this is the first time you represented this "Hook" that looks and plays very well, good job

01:30:001 (1) - Cool slider

01:38:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - VERY good way to decelerate the map

Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-10-31T12:23:09+00:00

Krovesia wrote:
Mod

You must have put quite a lot of effort into this mod, I do appreciate that. Also, it seems that you are still a rookie modder. So instead of just leaving 'no fix' here, i will try to explain as much as i can.

To start with, I wonder if u have ever played this map. BMD and I mapped this song in a very similar fashion. I guess it explains some of your 'why would u do this?' (stream jump and spacing changes) mods cuz, you see, BMD did the same thing as well.

ok i will pick a few that rly need further explanation

00:00:668 (5) - I suggest using a red anchor hear to represent the sharpness of the sound Anchor or not is purely subject. There is no vector for measurment Also, if you do go through my whole diff you couldn't find one single anchor-only 1/4 or half-beat slider. Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason behind it.
00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Clean this pattern up WHAT? Can I at the very least know why? I basically copy the pattern from this map so ask skystar to clear up his pattern first
00:19:335 (1,2,3,4) - The change in spacing from the previous 00:18:835 (2,3,4,5) seems unwarranted pitch increased
00:22:001 (1,2,3,4) - Make these notes stand out more with a different pattern https://puu.sh/yaTAm/9ff878e144.png (something kinda like this) This is actually a good suggestion but i'd rather keep the current pattern. I like how the stream looks rn.
00:28:918 (4) - Don't emphasis the blue tick, 00:29:001 (5) Focus this instead Why? You don't even bother to give explanation. It just sounds like 'I am right you have to fix this' A good mod should always give explanations on your opinion. The thing here is, rhythm choice is subjective. How can I suppose to do if you are right when u didn't even explain it.
00:44:668 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - Maybe try something else here, the spacing and emphasis on notes are wrong I space them in accordance with the ptich. How 'wrong' is it?
00:49:001 (1,2,3,4) - Change this pattern by changing either the kick slider and adding to 00:49:168 (2,3,4) OR 00:49:168 (2,3) - Change these into a kick slider and make the whole 00:49:001 (1,2,3,4) pattern kick slider jumps, 00:50:668 (1,2,1) like you did here They sound totally different, so should be the pattern
00:53:335 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Oh boy, this pattern over all is okay to do. but it feels like a lazy cop-out for a really cool looking and fun stream section. My advice here is to either change this pattern into a really big streamy/kick slider section OR, you can clean up the pattern you already have here. Your choice oh boy, i don't get this. The gimmick here is basically a circle stream with a small stream jump at each 2-beat gap. The concept is so simply. How could it be 'really cool looking and fun stream section' and 'a lazy cop-out' at the same time? MY CHOICE? NO CHANGE
00:57:335 (1) - Ugly slider, but right idea so I guess this is your comment on every probox map lol
01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Wait what? Even though it's the end of the song this and I know you wanted to make the ending harder than the rest, this is just straight up unrankable WAIT WHAT? A DIFFICULTY SPIKE AT THE END OF THE MAP??? I SWEAR I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BEFOREEEEEEE. On a more serious note, if you had looped this song for a couple of time, you would have realized this is the most intense part of the song. The spacing is therefore totally justifiable.
01:40:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Kick sliders here feel wrong How? Care to explain?

I personally think Naxess's comment on the common mistakes among modders still holds true here.

Hope I have answered most of your concerns! Once again thanks for your mod and the compliments

Morso

50 posts

Joined March 2015

Morso 2017-10-31T19:27:44+00:00

- I very much appreciate you taking time out of your day to help critique me on my mod since I am new <3

- I'll try my best to give an explanation in areas I failed to do so before

Nostalgic wrote:
Krovesia wrote:
Mod
You must have put quite a lot of effort into this mod, I do appreciate that. Also, it seems that you are still a rookie modder. So instead of just leaving 'no fix' here, i will try to explain as much as i can.

To start with, I wonder if u have ever played this map. BMD and I mapped this song in a very similar fashion. I guess it explains some of your 'why would u do this?' (stream jump and spacing changes) mods cuz, you see, BMD did the same thing as well.

ok i will pick a few that rly need further explanation

00:00:668 (5) - I suggest using a red anchor hear to represent the sharpness of the sound Anchor or not is purely subject. There is no vector for measurment Also, if you do go through my whole diff you couldn't find one single anchor-only 1/4 or half-beat slider. Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason behind it. This is fine
00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Clean this pattern up WHAT? Can I at the very least know why? I basically copy the pattern from this map so ask skystar to clear up his pattern first I see I poorly explained what I ment here, I apologize. When I mean "clean up the pattern" I mean in a sense that it looks aesthetically pleasing. In sky stars map you can see how even though the notes don't go straight down the middle they are still controlled and repetitive https://puu.sh/ybIdR/ee6b3eacd2.png. Now when comparing that to your pattern, the top notes looks like a mess and not as "patterned" as Skystar did https://puu.sh/ybI8j/3f0142836e.png
00:19:335 (1,2,3,4) - The change in spacing from the previous 00:18:835 (2,3,4,5) seems unwarranted pitch increased makes sense
00:22:001 (1,2,3,4) - Make these notes stand out more with a different pattern https://puu.sh/yaTAm/9ff878e144.png (something kinda like this) This is actually a good suggestion but i'd rather keep the current pattern. I like how the stream looks rn.
00:28:918 (4) - Don't emphasis the blue tick, 00:29:001 (5) Focus this instead Why? You don't even bother to give explanation. It just sounds like 'I am right you have to fix this' A good mod should always give explanations on your opinion. The thing here is, rhythm choice is subjective. How can I suppose to do if you are right when u didn't even explain it. The reason I said to put emphasis on the white tick is because that's where the big kick is in the music, so it would seem to make more sense to put the apex of the curve where the biggest hit is instead of the note BEFORE the big kick. All though you could leave it as it is, I believe it would help give a little more "Umph" to the pattern emphasizing the white tick
00:44:668 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - Maybe try something else here, the spacing and emphasis on notes are wrong I space them in accordance with the ptich. How 'wrong' is it? I made this mod while in a pretty piss mood, I apologize for coming off in such a Negative way, looking back I like this pattern, good job!
00:49:001 (1,2,3,4) - Change this pattern by changing either the kick slider and adding to 00:49:168 (2,3,4) OR 00:49:168 (2,3) - Change these into a kick slider and make the whole 00:49:001 (1,2,3,4) pattern kick slider jumps, 00:50:668 (1,2,1) like you did here They sound totally different, so should be the pattern This is fine
00:53:335 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Oh boy, this pattern over all is okay to do. but it feels like a lazy cop-out for a really cool looking and fun stream section. My advice here is to either change this pattern into a really big streamy/kick slider section OR, you can clean up the pattern you already have here. Your choice oh boy, i don't get this. The gimmick here is basically a circle stream with a small stream jump at each 2-beat gap. The concept is so simply. How could it be 'really cool looking and fun stream section' and 'a lazy cop-out' at the same time? MY CHOICE? NO CHANGE This pattern is fine, but when I CTRL + A the pattern it looks really unorganized for something that NEEDS to be very precise to aim https://puu.sh/ybIHE/30b7e82c55.png. I recommend cleaning up the pattern so it extends the same distance in spacing every loop.
00:57:335 (1) - Ugly slider, but right idea so I guess this is your comment on every probox map lol Slider is okay
01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Wait what? Even though it's the end of the song this and I know you wanted to make the ending harder than the rest, this is just straight up unrankable WAIT WHAT? A DIFFICULTY SPIKE AT THE END OF THE MAP??? I SWEAR I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BEFOREEEEEEE. On a more serious note, if you had looped this song for a couple of time, you would have realized this is the most intense part of the song. The spacing is therefore totally justifiable. This is fine
01:40:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Kick sliders here feel wrong How? Care to explain? This is fine

I personally think Naxess's comment on the common mistakes among modders still holds true here.

Hope I have answered most of your concerns! Once again thanks for your mod and the compliments

Thank for helping me become a better modder, I very much appreciate the help <3.

-Atri-

3,047 posts

Joined March 2013

-Atri- 2017-11-01T06:55:05+00:00

...... What happened

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-11-01T08:32:32+00:00

wtf??

Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-11-01T08:58:52+00:00

~~chill guys thats just an unharmful joke.~~

Last edited by Nostalgic 2017-11-01T16:01:11+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

faygo

283 posts

Joined November 2014

faygo 2017-11-01T09:50:24+00:00

how to get instant traction to your mapset lul

to previous mods: all fixed, thank you!

nooberdog

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Sylas

Elite Mapper

1,022 posts

Joined January 2014

Sylas 2017-11-01T11:07:29+00:00

wtf how did the set double its favorites in like 1 day lmao

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iYiyo wrote:
[Koala's Extra]
[*]same as top diff, the map is fun thanks ^^
[*]00:14:835 (2) - maybe blanket the tail with the stream? moving it to 311|203 could make it
[*]00:39:335 (1,2) - I'd move (2) a bit more from previous (2) slider so it feels similar as you did 00:33:668 (2,1,2) - 00:36:335 (2,1,2) - . Maybe something like https://puu.sh/y32we/b7909a0e9a.jpg this?
[*]00:52:001 (1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1) - Considering you did something pretty similar 00:09:501 (2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - here, I honestly feel like that pattern will confuse player a lot since it's following a 1/6 rhythm and you just "teached" previously to the players that having something like 00:52:001 (1,2,1,2) - will appear next to a normal stream behind them, which it doens't happen here. I'm sure you can handle this better.
[*]01:18:668 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - that's what players expect ^
[*]01:24:668 (3) - As far as I can hear, this stream follows the same melody as 01:25:001 (1,2,3,4) - instead of those repetead slider, why not 01:24:668 (3,1,2,3,4) - make all this similar but different from 01:24:001 (1,2) - ? would fit better imo
[*]01:00:001 (1,2,3) - why is this triple so separated? compared the others this feels pretty different. cuz sounds are lower pitch than the other ones

newton- wrote:
[koala's extra]
00:03:501 (2,3,4,5) - switching positions of the 2 and the triple would make this way more intuitive imo, make sure to reposition 00:04:001 (1) - if you do i reversed the flow for emphasis
00:09:335 (1,2,1,2) - maybe nc spam? will be easily misread as 1/4 NC only on white ticks here helps reading cuz ppl can see how many circles are between every white tick
00:41:001 (1,2,3,4,1) - make the spacing change more apparent, this looks more or less the same as the previous part of the stream. 0.5x would work maybe i only want slight spacing changes here to prepare for kiai patterns, i dont wanna have massive spacing changes outside of kiai bc it would take away from the kiai's diff spike
01:41:336 (1) - high sv as a surprise here might work? would make the player's heart rate go doki doki a little x dhehe xd last note slider breaks

Firis Mistlud wrote:
[Koala]
00:09:335 (1,2,1,2) - I actually expected a 1/4 stream rather than 1/2 singletaps judging the spacing, it is quite confusing well its meant to be confusing xd restarting once at 10 second in isnt a big deal anyway
00:52:001 (1,2,1,2) - ^ well i already prepared players for the pattern with ^ so now they know how to read it
01:18:668 (1,2,1,2) - ^ ^
My brain has rusted

-Faded- wrote:
[Koala's Extra]
00:57:335 (1) - You should make the bump on this slider look a bit nicer. Maybe move the second red point to x163 y194? i dont want symmetry it makes the slider stand out less
01:33:335 (1,2,3) - Maybe you could move this pattern down a bit so that 01:33:001 (5,3) - are stacked together? It'll look nicer that way.not stacking looks more interesting and adds a bit of visual depth to the pattern

Yasaija 714 wrote:
Koala's Extra
00:01:668 (3) - Why are not you three hits? cuz emphasis isnt on piano its on the other instrument which doesnt do a triple here which means no triple in my map
01:10:335 (1) - Remove NC nc looks better cuz of the spacing change
01:00:335 (4) - like hereoops i actually meant to have one there

Josh123uaJ wrote:
Koala's Expert:
01:26:335 (5) - Add a clap at the 2nd reverse arrow to keep the clap sound effects going.
01:27:335 (5) - Align this with 01:27:001 (1,2,3,4).

Itasha_S13 wrote:
Koala's Extra
00:01:001 (1,2,3,4,1) - this should be a triplet, maybe make 00:01:167 (3) - a kickslider (lestening carefully, I found out that you're following drums now, but imo you should keep with the piano which is the main sound) with a triplet following drums, strongest layer imo piano is pretty background
00:06:335 (4,5) - should not be stacked with 00:06:168 (3) - because they're on different sounds well that would ruin the pattern xd
00:48:668 (1,2) - too much spacing, unrankable I think

Milan- wrote:
koala's extra
-00:18:001 (1,2) - the sudden lower distance feels weird, try moving (2) around, like x331y155 ? well its not sudden, the patterns here are gradually decreasing spacing to represent how theyre losing intensity in the song
-00:50:668 (1,2,3,4,5) - stream feels so overmapped, there's a little sounds iknow but triple is enough for this section imo i mean both vocal and piano are doing a distinct quint so i dont thikn its overmapped lol

thanks for the mods!
no reply = fixed

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-Atri-

3,047 posts

Joined March 2013

-Atri- 2017-11-01T12:15:25+00:00

Something tells me DDLC make this set starting to be popular lol

Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-11-01T16:24:46+00:00

k drama ends here, lets pretend nothing had happened

00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Clean this pattern up I still barely see the difference. Its just that his pattern is more packed than mine, and i think both are fine.
00:28:918 (4) - Don't emphasis the blue tick, 00:29:001 (5) Focus this instead k you are right about this, fixed
00:53:335 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Oh boy, this pattern over all is okay to do. but it feels like a lazy cop-out for a really cool looking and fun stream section. My advice here is to either change this pattern into a really big streamy/kick slider section OR, you can clean up the pattern you already have here. Your choice I get what you mean here, its totally fine and understandable why you think this way. I've received mods regarding this part from both ends of the spectrum. But personally I like this whole pattern a lot, so sorry, no change still

thanks for your reply, it rly clears up the doubts.

Gaia

2,808 posts

Joined May 2013

Gaia 2017-11-02T05:57:02+00:00

[Doki doki]
00:05:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you probably could've made this more interesting by following the musical intensity rather than just spamming the same pattern repeatedly, (i.e. make 1-2 high spacing then 3-4 low spacing or something). this is especially true for 00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - actually
00:22:668 (1) - you're probably following the the bg held note in the back here, but when u keep switching between this sound and the piano it becomes very inconsistent. like 00:26:334 (5,6,7,8) - that background sound completely stops yet everything is just piano - tbh imo if you're gunna map to the piano, stick to the piano and don't jump back and forth
00:41:335 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are basically the same spacing when they've got different rhythms
00:47:668 (1,2,3) - really hard to read and these gimmicks are a bit late to be introduced, they really look like they could be streams so you should either space them out or just scrap the idea

streams in general could probably be a lot cleaner, especially 01:20:001 (1) - this one. too many overlaps and clusters. try to space out the playfield more it'd be more fun and a better design too

[koala]
00:01:668 (3) - why did u skip the triple here, and why is it inconsistent with 00:01:335 (1,2) -
00:48:668 (1,2) - 1/4 jump?
01:00:918 (4) - remove cuz not there, (1,2,3) is very distinct from (5) anyways
01:10:668 (1,2) - why skip the triple again :S
01:30:835 (3,4) - jump sooo big
01:35:001 (5) - probably want to nc

a lot of rhythm inconsistencies, unless you are following a sound that im not hearing then i strongly recommend you rework the rhythm choices
example: 01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - vs 01:31:335 (1,2) -

gl

MaridiuS

878 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-06T16:59:40+00:00

I greet you

[Heart Palpitations]
Generally I like the ideas, but I feel like patterning experience is a bit lacking, and maybe a bit theoretical aesthetical knowledge. In the mod I'll point out aesthetical stuff as well as some emphasis suggestions.

00:04:335 (3,4,1,2) - Since you usually use 1/4 sliders for piano sounds that are not followed up by drums and don't have sounds on their sliderends, having this pattern mapped identically doesn't seem right. 00:04:335 - to 00:04:668 - Has drums added, and they sound different than 00:04:668 - to 00:05:001 - in the song. Yet in the map it all seems filled with sliders, so in order to differentiate that and emphasize the drums, one good idea would be to make it all into circles, and differentiate the first measure I linked from the second since the drums are of different intensity.
00:05:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Compared to 00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - or any jump pattern of similar synth sounds that happen in the map it has irregular rhythm in the song, but in the map it is not portrayed. 00:05:335 (1,4,1,1,4,1,3,4,1) - The circles I highlighted are those than contain important strong kicks that the other jump patterns don't have, and it should be a good idea to follow that differently. Suggestion would be to add some sliders which will start on those beats I highlighed and end on some synth which doesn't have additionally a loud drum kick.
00:14:835 (2,3,4,1,2) - Personally I am not a fan of that since it plays weirdly, and ctrl+ging last two notes doesn't have any significant impact ingame for it to be considered emphasis on different sounds. If you were to somewhat readjust the last two notes in the current state, it would break the circular pattern and it wouldn't look good. So my suggestion is to make it all into a stream (I think it's viable choice) with the second part being emphasized with spacing or something to correlate the change in music. Alternatively you can make last two 1/4 sliders into a 5stack, and readjust the first 3, keeping their slider form but different placement.
00:22:335 (1,2,1) - Okay so here is about where I've been seeing some clunky patterns. Rotating the sldier just a bit and forming a triangle doesn't seem to suit anything, since (2) doesn't even remotely blanket anything, and is just left there with a weird angle. For this location in the grid and spacing choice, I'm afraid I can't think of a much better idea, I've thought about rotating the slider of 120 degrees, while trying to nail the angle of the big one, and came up with this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9485460. In this way angles feel like they complement each other aesthetically since they have a consistent rotation. Of course more ideas are left to your interpretation.
00:23:668 (1,2) - Another example where you did some rotation which don't seem to complement other patterns. A sound plan would be to copy paste and inverse 00:23:668 (1) - horizontally. Then to connect with the previous stream an ideal placement... would be to be blanketed by the stream, walla.
00:43:001 (4,5,1,2) - Other than random nitpicking, theoretical knowledge that you might be missing is the consistency of angles. Within one section if an angle of lets say 15 degrees in relation to X or Y axis was used often, then every other slider with that rotation will remind of the other. That way it feels connected and a part of the same section. Here for example you used some 0 degree angles into 45 degrees. Generally 45 degrees sliders don't look good since they're rarely used and combining pattern with them with inversion / rotation or symmetry is a pain since they flow terribly from one to another which limits the design a lot. There are many more places where you are mixing up angles in the map though. If you understand, it would be a better idea for you to find them on your own and redesign. However it is usually difficult to make it correlate to the map and current structuring well, so be patient, with experience it would be better.
00:53:335 - This pattern is unique, but that doesn't mean it's ideal for following the song. Reasons being 00:54:001 (1) - Don't have any impact in the map like their intensity in the song is (I mean who will feel a mild increase of spacing on just that one note for a fully circular pattern). Next 00:53:918 (8,8,8,8) - all 8's have much less impact in the song than other notes, and especially the ones before them (7)'s yet they're mapped the same way and don't feel like they should be clicked. So the only solution I could think of is to make (7) into a 1/4 slider which will end on current (8) which is weak, meaning you will also have freedom to place (1) far away from the slider as emphasis for that note.
01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Compared to the previous section, in the song the piano is not so much noticeable as much as the electronic sounds are, which happen on 3 notes and stop, 3 notes and stop 01:30:668 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - . So generally I'm against filling the rhythm to increase the difficulty and would much rather suggest 3stacks + 1/4 slider with sharp angles and bigger spacing, since it adds fully to intensity and is understandable, but clicking the 4th note which is not nearly as strong as the first 3 seems counterproductive.

For improving this style in terms of aesthetics, you ought to take look at some Alacat maps.

gl

Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-11-25T20:40:54+00:00

hi i m back

Gaia wrote:
[Doki doki]
00:05:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you probably could've made this more interesting by following the musical intensity rather than just spamming the same pattern repeatedly, (i.e. make 1-2 high spacing then 3-4 low spacing or something). this is especially true for 00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - actually no change for now, but i totally see why u brought this up
00:22:668 (1) - you're probably following the the bg held note in the back here, but when u keep switching between this sound and the piano it becomes very inconsistent. like 00:26:334 (5,6,7,8) - that background sound completely stops yet everything is just piano - tbh imo if you're gunna map to the piano, stick to the piano and don't jump back and forth but i like the rhythm choice rn, and i definitely won't call it an inconsistency
00:41:335 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are basically the same spacing when they've got different rhythms nope??
00:47:668 (1,2,3) - really hard to read and these gimmicks are a bit late to be introduced, they really look like they could be streams so you should either space them out or just scrap the idea

streams in general could probably be a lot cleaner, especially 01:20:001 (1) - this one. too many overlaps and clusters. try to space out the playfield more it'd be more fun and a better design too

MaridiuS wrote:
I greet you

[Heart Palpitations]
Generally I like the ideas, but I feel like patterning experience is a bit lacking, and maybe a bit theoretical aesthetical knowledge. In the mod I'll point out aesthetical stuff as well as some emphasis suggestions.
00:04:335 (3,4,1,2) - Since you usually use 1/4 sliders for piano sounds that are not followed up by drums and don't have sounds on their sliderends, having this pattern mapped identically doesn't seem right. 00:04:335 - to 00:04:668 - Has drums added, and they sound different than 00:04:668 - to 00:05:001 - in the song. Yet in the map it all seems filled with sliders, so in order to differentiate that and emphasize the drums, one good idea would be to make it all into circles, and differentiate the first measure I linked from the second since the drums are of different intensity. yes and no,
theere are drums but there are pianos as well. What i am following is obviously the latter one, in which case I map it very similar to the previous iterations
00:05:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Compared to 00:16:001 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - or any jump pattern of similar synth sounds that happen in the map it has irregular rhythm in the song, but in the map it is not portrayed. 00:05:335 (1,4,1,1,4,1,3,4,1) - The circles I highlighted are those than contain important strong kicks that the other jump patterns don't have, and it should be a good idea to follow that differently. Suggestion would be to add some sliders which will start on those beats I highlighed and end on some synth which doesn't have additionally a loud drum kick. not changing it for now, tho you are not wrong. will reconsider it but just not this moment
00:14:835 (2,3,4,1,2) - Personally I am not a fan of that since it plays weirdly, and ctrl+ging last two notes doesn't have any significant impact ingame for it to be considered emphasis on different sounds. If you were to somewhat readjust the last two notes in the current state, it would break the circular pattern and it wouldn't look good. So my suggestion is to make it all into a stream (I think it's viable choice) with the second part being emphasized with spacing or something to correlate the change in music. Alternatively you can make last two 1/4 sliders into a 5stack, and readjust the first 3, keeping their slider form but different placement. k re-arranged the pattern
00:22:335 (1,2,1) - Okay so here is about where I've been seeing some clunky patterns. Rotating the sldier just a bit and forming a triangle doesn't seem to suit anything, since (2) doesn't even remotely blanket anything, and is just left there with a weird angle. For this location in the grid and spacing choice, I'm afraid I can't think of a much better idea, I've thought about rotating the slider of 120 degrees, while trying to nail the angle of the big one, and came up with this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9485460. In this way angles feel like they complement each other aesthetically since they have a consistent rotation. Of course more ideas are left to your interpretation. fixed
00:23:668 (1,2) - Another example where you did some rotation which don't seem to complement other patterns. A sound plan would be to copy paste and inverse 00:23:668 (1) - horizontally. Then to connect with the previous stream an ideal placement... would be to be blanketed by the stream, walla. fixed
00:43:001 (4,5,1,2) - Other than random nitpicking, theoretical knowledge that you might be missing is the consistency of angles. Within one section if an angle of lets say 15 degrees in relation to X or Y axis was used often, then every other slider with that rotation will remind of the other. That way it feels connected and a part of the same section. Here for example you used some 0 degree angles into 45 degrees. Generally 45 degrees sliders don't look good since they're rarely used and combining pattern with them with inversion / rotation or symmetry is a pain since they flow terribly from one to another which limits the design a lot. There are many more places where you are mixing up angles in the map though. If you understand, it would be a better idea for you to find them on your own and redesign. However it is usually difficult to make it correlate to the map and current structuring well, so be patient, with experience it would be better. they are just 1/4 kicks and they play perfectly fine
00:53:335 - This pattern is unique, but that doesn't mean it's ideal for following the song. Reasons being 00:54:001 (1) - Don't have any impact in the map like their intensity in the song is (I mean who will feel a mild increase of spacing on just that one note for a fully circular pattern). Next 00:53:918 (8,8,8,8) - all 8's have much less impact in the song than other notes, and especially the ones before them (7)'s yet they're mapped the same way and don't feel like they should be clicked. So the only solution I could think of is to make (7) into a 1/4 slider which will end on current (8) which is weak, meaning you will also have freedom to place (1) far away from the slider as emphasis for that note. I beg to differ. I don't see any problem with it
01:30:668 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Compared to the previous section, in the song the piano is not so much noticeable as much as the electronic sounds are, which happen on 3 notes and stop, 3 notes and stop 01:30:668 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - . So generally I'm against filling the rhythm to increase the difficulty and would much rather suggest 3stacks + 1/4 slider with sharp angles and bigger spacing, since it adds fully to intensity and is understandable, but clicking the 4th note which is not nearly as strong as the first 3 seems counterproductive. but those sounds are totally clickable. I won't restrct myself to one single choice of rhythm
For improving this style in terms of aesthetics, you ought to take look at some Alacat maps.

gl

thanks so much

Grrum

886 posts

Joined November 2011

Grrum 2017-11-30T02:36:40+00:00

Hey, hope this helps!

[Extra]

00:01:335 (1,2) – The way that (1) hides the (2) circle is really obnoxious. It's not obvious that (1) is actually a ¼ slider, so I don't really look at this object and think “oh, this is going to be a ¼ rhythm” even though these are ¼ rhythms in the song.

00:23:335 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) – ¼ streams feel pretty different than ¼ kick sliders. Why change up the rhythm here? Is there something in the music that you feel is nicely expressed with a denser rhythm? Does that musical element happen elsewhere like at 00:22:001 (1) - ?

00:40:335 (2,3) – Why increase the intensity here by increasing the note density? To me, it felt like too big of a change compared to what you did at 00:38:001 (3) - , so I was confused why this was all of a sudden so fast. I know there's a slight increase in pitch on the melody which feels stronger, but I think starting the increased intensity at 00:40:668 (1) – would convey that nicer.

00:47:335 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) – Why so horizontal? This is a big change in aesthetics. Why not rotate by 5 degrees for more conventional aesthetics?
00:45:335 (1,2) - ^

[Koala's Expert]

00:01:835 – This note is strong, so I'd prefer if it was clickable, so consider making 00:01:668 (3) – two circles instead.

[Heart Palpitations]

I read some of Mardius suggestions and want to try to follow those up:

00:04:335 (3,4,1,2) - Since you usually use 1/4 sliders for piano sounds that are not followed up by drums and don't have sounds on their sliderends, having this pattern mapped identically doesn't seem right.

Overall I agree with Mardius, making the second part a ¼ stream would bring nice contrast between the two parts. If you stick with this rhythm, consider contrasting them visually by making the earlier combo curvy and the second combo straight like: http://puu.sh/ywgEk/18ac81d2f1.jpg

00:43:001 (4,5,1,2) - Other than random nitpicking, theoretical knowledge that you might be missing is the consistency of angles.

This is an aesthetics concern, not a playability concern. This plays totally fine right now, but I do think consistent slider shapes would make the design more cohesive and nicer. The 00:43:001 (4,1) – sliders are fine, they look great right now, but what about making 00:43:168 (5) – and 00:44:001 (1) – have the same slider shape? Having these be copy-pastes would connect these combos aesthetically.

Good luck!

emilia

893 posts

Joined October 2012

emilia 2017-12-07T16:26:06+00:00

guess i'll only mod top diff since i didnt accept anything from ur mod realistically
[top diff]

00:00:668 (5) - any reason for this to not be 00:01:001 (1,2) - ? (kick + hitcircle) they sound the same structurally
00:02:335 (1,2) - i feel like 2 should be a slider too cuz the sound there isnt sudden like the previous hitcircles
00:21:585 (4) - nothing in the music is being followed here, i suggest making 3 a kick?
00:22:668 (1) - any reason why the music is somehow covered by a random slider instead of a triplet?
00:24:250 (4) - similar to above, its mapped to nothing (repeated)
00:25:335 (1) - similar, triplet (repeated)
00:44:168 (2,3,4) - .looks messed up
00:49:001 (1,2) - i guess u can ctrl g 1 and place it further, you can afford it
00:52:668 (1,1,1) - i would suggest 2 1/6th sliders both wiht 1 reverse instead of this. seems kinda unreadable
01:20:001 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the distance decrease overtime here makes no sense with respect to the music. at least adjust spacing according to pitch?
01:30:668 (1) - wayyy too intense with the given pitch tbh
01:39:335 (1) - would suggest u break this up into 2 reversing sliders to emphasise the 01:39:668 - drum here that u hitsounded anyway

generally i see some kind of structure here, which is a big improvement from the maps i've seen you make before. though ngl i disagreed with a lot of things (will not get into detail bc its too subjective imo). despite that, this can probably rank if u had connections

gl

Nostalgic

597 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Nostalgic 2017-12-09T12:46:39+00:00

Emilia wrote:
guess i'll only mod top diff since i didnt accept anything from ur mod realistically
[top diff]
00:00:668 (5) - any reason for this to not be 00:01:001 (1,2) - ? (kick + hitcircle) they sound the same structurally
00:02:335 (1,2) - i feel like 2 should be a slider too cuz the sound there isnt sudden like the previous hitcircles no cuz it makes the pattern really weird
00:21:585 (4) - nothing in the music is being followed here, i suggest making 3 a kick?
00:22:668 (1) - any reason why the music is somehow covered by a random slider instead of a triplet?
00:24:250 (4) - similar to above, its mapped to nothing (repeated)
00:25:335 (1) - similar, triplet (repeated) the continuous stream of notes fit better here
00:44:168 (2,3,4) - .looks messed up
00:49:001 (1,2) - i guess u can ctrl g 1 and place it further, you can afford it
00:52:668 (1,1,1) - i would suggest 2 1/6th sliders both wiht 1 reverse instead of this. seems kinda unreadable
01:20:001 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the distance decrease overtime here makes no sense with respect to the music. at least adjust spacing according to pitch? the pitch is going down
01:30:668 (1) - wayyy too intense with the given pitch tbh
01:39:335 (1) - would suggest u break this up into 2 reversing sliders to emphasise the 01:39:668 - drum here that u hitsounded anyway
generally i see some kind of structure here, which is a big improvement from the maps i've seen you make before. though ngl i disagreed with a lot of things (will not get into detail bc its too subjective imo). despite that, this can probably rank if u had connections

gl

no reply=fix, thanks

faygo

283 posts

Joined November 2014

faygo 2017-12-16T14:40:30+00:00

made some stuff cleaner

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Destirox

128 posts

Joined August 2013

Destirox 2017-12-27T00:18:40+00:00

my wife chino is so cute

Destirox

128 posts

Joined August 2013

Destirox 2017-12-27T00:33:20+00:00

00:54:668 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) 00:56:001 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - can you make a change in direction?

T3rza

42 posts

Joined February 2017

T3rza 2017-12-30T16:55:38+00:00

Someone add BarkingmadDog's map to this then it will be complete

Hollow Wings

1,514 posts

Joined July 2010

Hollow Wings 2017-12-31T19:55:06+00:00

m4m

sry for the huge delay... but since your m4m request post at p/6401147 has been released earlier than your modding post at p/6401481... i think i'll just go through your map with simple suggestions...

NO KD

[Heart Palpitations]
纯note跳很多而且并没有考虑结构的问题。。。纯粹flow或者ds的角度来看因为是铺满所以也没啥需要吐槽的点，只能说。。。trance这类曲子比较不容易做好吧
[Koala's Extra]
good structure composing work, in such a stream map.
00:52:001 (1,2,1,2) - i still recommend jumps here, sudden ds shifting shall be done in another style imo. similar to 01:18:668 (1,2,1,2) - .
[Extra]
呃，看到圆形滑条还以为会有什么好的花样，看完感觉和最高难度的问题差不多。。。
[FG's Expert]
00:34:335 (2,3,4,5,1) - not really necessary to have spaced streams here, and 00:35:668 (3,4,5,6) - or later ones, even 01:41:001 (1,2,3) - .
generally fine.
[Deppy's Insane]
tbh, various of patterns are used in this map, so i like it. (not because it's covered with horizon&vertical sliders.)
a star for this.
[1112's Insane]
意外做的挺好。。。我去，难道你已经毕业了？

that's it, good luck.

Deppyforce

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Deppyforce 2018-01-27T16:29:45+00:00

ded

Otosaka-Yu

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Otosaka-Yu 2018-01-27T16:34:12+00:00

Hollow Wings wrote:
m4m

NO KD

[1112's Insane]
意外做的挺好。。。我去，难道你已经毕业了？握了颗大草！是hw！

that's it, good luck.

faygo

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faygo 2018-01-28T04:47:24+00:00

@hw i disagree, fits the sound well plus its not hard to hit with a lower cs

ded map sad nibba hours

Deppyforce

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Deppyforce 2018-02-26T12:28:57+00:00

Faygor wrote:
ded map sad nibba hours

lmfao revive when

Nostalgic

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Nostalgic 2018-02-26T13:25:50+00:00

soon™

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