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EGOIST - Eiyuu Unmei no Uta (TV Edit)

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Sharu
I really like this set, is this going for ranked? :^)
Gored
Realazy

Noffy wrote:

who is slayed
cause the name isn't in the tags
[Cheesecake's Normal]

00:22:911 (4) - would be cool to delete this circle so you can separate the different vocal phrase on 00:23:080 (5,6,7) - from 00:21:724 (1,2,3) - . also it'd make the pattern a bit lighter considering it's a pretty long chain of 1/2 already

[Hard]

00:16:640 (4) - would b nice to have this closer to 00:16:301 (3) - so the jump to the next slider feels more intense cuz big boy strings and whatnot
00:26:809 (2,3) - 00:32:233 (2,3) - etc. idk about stacking those cuz it makes for successions of pretty large jumps and thats kind of a big diffspike in a hard diff. also it makes jumps to strong sounds like 00:27:148 (1) - 00:32:572 (1) - not as important as they should be cause you already have a similarly spaced jump on something thats not very intense itself
00:50:199 (1,2) - i dont rly see the point of spacing those so much compared to the overall spacing of that part

[Emilia's Insane]

ngl i dont see why youd use ar8.9 instead of 9 or 8.8 here, the difference is barely noticeable and ppl r more used to the values i mentioned

00:25:792 (5,1) - pretty sure your combo should start on the downbeat, not the beat right after since the violin is playing groups of 2 notes. also i don't really see a reason for the pretty big jump here, kinda goes against the decreasing intensity of the violin here. fwiw you've emphasized all downbeats in this section properly except that one so ya
01:03:250 (2) - i dont rly get why this is spaced so much, the vocals do get stronger but that doesnt warrant cross screen jumps here imo

[Irre's Extra]

00:32:233 (1,2) - could space these more since they're higher pitched than 00:31:894 (1,2) -
00:47:487 (1) - really don't see the point of that long slider, i get that it's following the horn but damn it really ruins the pace of the map by having this long slider when the song's intensity picks up

[NeilPerry's Extra]

01:04:775 (1) - think this slider could've been slower to emphasize the choir vocals here

[Regou's Extra]

00:25:792 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 00:31:216 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - why do those circles stop following the pitch through spacing? all of the other circles in that section do it, so i don't see why not here
01:20:962 (3,4) - forgot to ctrl+g those notes to be consistent with the other triples?

[Slayed's Extreme]

00:26:131 (3) - 00:31:555 (3) - why change the patterning here and not do groups of 2 like the rest of the section? the violin is still doing the same thing here
00:25:792 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ngl i don't see why those are colorhaxed in orange and red considering the violin is getting quieter here

[Sing's Extreme]

00:41:894 (1,2,3) - would be nice to unstack those or something cuz it gets really hard to notice the slider underneath the stacked triple here due to how short it is
00:47:148 (1) - imo that slider is way too fast to react to it as a 1/16 slider in any way, would be nice to at least make it 1/8
01:35:623 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - i don't think the spacing on those is really justified, they're like way way bigger than anything else in the map because those are the only active 1/4 jumps in the map and they take up half the screen

[Winber1's Extreme]

why do the hitsounds feel so bland and empty here, would be nice to add some whistles and finishes cause most of the intense sections are basically just kick hitsounds and thats it

01:20:030 - 01:22:741 - why are these two combos so long why do you not have more frequent ncing for those like the rest of the kiai

[Master]

00:33:589 (1,2) - why r those colorhaxed in red they sound exactly the same as 00:32:911 (1,2,1,2) - which are in greyish colors


im sleepy
Regou

Realazy wrote:

Noffy wrote:

who is slayed
cause the name isn't in the tags
[Regou's Extra]

00:25:792 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 00:31:216 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - why do those circles stop following the pitch through spacing? all of the other circles in that section do it, so i don't see why not here ok
01:20:962 (3,4) - forgot to ctrl+g those notes to be consistent with the other triples? i just followed 01:10:030 (1,2,3) -

im sleepy
also sorta remapped slow part so that it makes more sense rhythm-wise and having the diff fcable (by me)
Cheesecake

Realazy wrote:

[Cheesecake's Normal]

00:22:911 (4) - would be cool to delete this circle so you can separate the different vocal phrase on 00:23:080 (5,6,7) - from 00:21:724 (1,2,3) - . also it'd make the pattern a bit lighter considering it's a pretty long chain of 1/2 already good idea, done
thanks
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Irreversible

Realazy wrote:

[Irre's Extra]

00:32:233 (1,2) - could space these more since they're higher pitched than 00:31:894 (1,2) - oki!
00:47:487 (1) - really don't see the point of that long slider, i get that it's following the horn but damn it really ruins the pace of the map by having this long slider when the song's intensity picks up Hmmmmmmm i think the intensity picks up only after this part D: is that ok for you?
For your information:
00:36:640 (1) - Added 4 whistles to this part, reduced volume to 50%
01:15:114 (3) - 01:16:470 (3) - Changed silder shape
01:25:284 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Changed pattern (flow wise)
01:31:555 (1) - Added Kiai time 4x

handsome: could you plz go thru my map and fix my stacks? idk.... i just am not able to do it 00:39:860 (4) - idk why it keeps being ugly or 00:16:301 (1,2,1) - .... thanks mah frend

irr
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winber1

Realazy wrote:

[Winber1's Extreme]

why do the hitsounds feel so bland and empty here, would be nice to add some whistles and finishes cause most of the intense sections are basically just kick hitsounds and thats it because its gud enough, personally i don't think adding hitsounds adds much value, if any, to a map unless there is some gimmick to it, otherwise i just end up mapping the drums if i can

01:20:030 - 01:22:741 - why are these two combos so long why do you not have more frequent ncing for those like the rest of the kiai felt like these combos were meant to be played together more smoothly, i.e. in the same combo, where as the later sections the flow of the notes plays more like separate combos as you have to rewind your cursor
Sonnyc
I think giving more difference between grays would work better. Looks too similar currently.
Topic Starter
hehe
replying for slayed, sing and emilia at their request.

Realazy wrote:

Noffy wrote:

who is slayed
cause the name isn't in the tags
[Hard]

00:16:640 (4) - would b nice to have this closer to 00:16:301 (3) - so the jump to the next slider feels more intense cuz big boy strings and whatnot ok
00:26:809 (2,3) - 00:32:233 (2,3) - etc. idk about stacking those cuz it makes for successions of pretty large jumps and thats kind of a big diffspike in a hard diff. also it makes jumps to strong sounds like 00:27:148 (1) - 00:32:572 (1) - not as important as they should be cause you already have a similarly spaced jump on something thats not very intense itself it's not a jump, slider leniency
00:50:199 (1,2) - i dont rly see the point of spacing those so much compared to the overall spacing of that part ok

[Emilia's Insane]

ngl i dont see why youd use ar8.9 instead of 9 or 8.8 here, the difference is barely noticeable and ppl r more used to the values i mentioned dont see how this improves map quality

00:25:792 (5,1) - pretty sure your combo should start on the downbeat, not the beat right after since the violin is playing groups of 2 notes. also i don't really see a reason for the pretty big jump here, kinda goes against the decreasing intensity of the violin here. fwiw you've emphasized all downbeats in this section properly except that one so ya ok
01:03:250 (2) - i dont rly get why this is spaced so much, the vocals do get stronger but that doesnt warrant cross screen jumps here imo ok

[Slayed's Extreme]

00:26:131 (3) - 00:31:555 (3) - why change the patterning here and not do groups of 2 like the rest of the section? the violin is still doing the same thing here variance probably, it's consistent at least and also shows dropping intensity
00:25:792 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ngl i don't see why those are colorhaxed in orange and red considering the violin is getting quieter here ok

[Sing's Extreme]

00:41:894 (1,2,3) - would be nice to unstack those or something cuz it gets really hard to notice the slider underneath the stacked triple here due to how short it is its super consistent so i dont think its a problem
00:47:148 (1) - imo that slider is way too fast to react to it as a 1/16 slider in any way, would be nice to at least make it 1/8 ok
01:35:623 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - i don't think the spacing on those is really justified, they're like way way bigger than anything else in the map because those are the only active 1/4 jumps in the map and they take up half the screen nerfed

[Master]

00:33:589 (1,2) - why r those colorhaxed in red they sound exactly the same as 00:32:911 (1,2,1,2) - which are in greyish colors downbeat like 00:27:148 (1,2) -


im sleepy

Sonnyc wrote:

I think giving more difference between grays would work better. Looks too similar currently. they're different enough, i don't want to reduce playing experience with high dim%
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Realazy
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neilperry confirmed that he applied my suggestion in pm
Topic Starter
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Sing's Extreme
01:10:877 (2,3) - with ar9.3 and the 90% overlap, the reverse is hardly seeable when in gameplay. SV is kinda high so I think it is not very proper here. At least make the reverse arrow more visible. When you mapped a similar pattern 01:13:589 (2,3) - , it is much better. Also consider changing 01:21:724 (2,3) -
Kaitjuh
Master:

00:08:165 (1) - shouldn't the slider end on 00:08:674 - ?
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Hi, congrats on your qualified map! However this is something I would like to talk about. Looking at the comments in the thread it does feel like there is an elephant in the room, and that is about the way the map is composed.

You've used a plethora of triplets, to which you've described earlier in the thread that they are mapped to the percussion. This doesn't seem obvious nor intuitive to me thus I can imagine a few other people would feel the same way. This does make me sound like a pretentious, stuckup asshole in a way but I just can't see this map being suitable for ranked. Normally when one judges creative maps there is spectrum with absurdity on one end and acceptable on the other; in my eyes it's far towards the former. When I come across patterns such as 01:17:318 (1) I just can't feel like they fit the song at all, which in turn feels like a sin for a rhythm game. The triplets in general don't feel suited towards this song at all though idea of the concept looks fairly cool. I just think that this is the kind of concept that you should search for a song that it fits on rather than force it.

One more thing is the use of this slider 01:11:216 (1) - doesn't occur anywhere else in the kiai so it makes it's usage in the beginning of the kiai seem rather arbitrary.
[]Sorry if I sound like I'm attacking the map but this is just how I feel
Mir
hi

irre's extra: 01:25:284 - isn't colorhaxing here messed up over here? it seems to arbitrarily change to grey but most other diffs still have it as yellow/blue? just a random thing i noticed
Mao
as requested
Topic Starter
hehe

Kisses wrote:

Hi, congrats on your qualified map! However this is something I would like to talk about. Looking at the comments in the thread it does feel like there is an elephant in the room, and that is about the way the map is composed.

You've used a plethora of triplets, to which you've described earlier in the thread that they are mapped to the percussion. This doesn't seem obvious nor intuitive to me thus I can imagine a few other people would feel the same way. This does make me sound like a pretentious, stuckup asshole in a way but I just can't see this map being suitable for ranked. Normally when one judges creative maps there is spectrum with absurdity on one end and acceptable on the other; in my eyes it's far towards the former. When I come across patterns such as 01:17:318 (1) I just can't feel like they fit the song at all, which in turn feels like a sin for a rhythm game. The triplets in general don't feel suited towards this song at all though idea of the concept looks fairly cool. I just think that this is the kind of concept that you should search for a song that it fits on rather than force it. okay

One more thing is the use of this slider 01:11:216 (1) - doesn't occur anywhere else in the kiai so it makes it's usage in the beginning of the kiai seem rather arbitrary. rhythm wise ididnt want the first half to be as taxing as the second half so i kinda split it with this
[]Sorry if I sound like I'm attacking the map but this is just how I feel
@kaitjuh nope
@mir done
@sahuang done
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Nao Tomori
confirm fixes looks okay so give it Qualified
Thiagouu
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