Camellia - Towards The Horizon · forum

Celektus

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-08-22T14:36:39+00:00

Meow-Mix wrote:

thx for taking the time btw I appreciate that

Celektus' Hyper
As of August 19, 2017

Nitpicking
00:03:890 (2) - New combo?
someone told me to remove it specifically
00:13:508 (2,3,4) - These objects follow the violin / viola / whatevertheloudestinstrumentiscalled instrument. 00:14:285 (5,6,7) These objects look exactly the same, but don't follow he violin / viola / whatevertheloudestinstrumentiscalled instrument. That ain't right. Gotta add some unique flair to 00:14:285 (5,6,7) to tell the players that it's two different instruments. Ottherwise, players gon' be confuzzled.
technically a good idea but they play the same sort of phrase twice which I think makes them more connected than disconnected or something, essentially I'm rather expressing the phrase than the instrument in this case
00:17:006 (3,4) - This double looks like a spicy 1/2 double, right? Wrong! It's a spicy trap. Look at this: https://puu.sh/xeqHq.png. The big pink squiggles are strong sounds and the small pink squiggles are weak sounds. Notice that there's a small squiggle that's mapped to nothing. Players want to hit on that, making them think it's a 1/2 double. Do something like this instead: https://puu.sh/xeqUA.png. Do this for 00:19:822 (2,3,4) and 00:22:931 (2,3,4) too.
Again technically correct, but I sort of tried to signal blue tick emphasis in later parts of the song, in the beginning the climax had a lot more quads, double and 3/4 beat gaps so I wanted to center my diff around that to be unique I won't change them yet, but since I adjusted a few rhythms lately I might do in the future if the map ever gets really simple rhythmically
00:20:989 (1,2) - Seems undermapped, especially the second slider. 00:16:326 (1,2,3,4,5) -, 00:17:880 (1,2,3,4,5) and 00:19:434 (1,2,3,4,5) sound almost exactly the same as 00:20:989 (1,2) . Mind explaining your reasoning behind this?
ok so the main reason was that it in fact sounds a bit different and those are ones where the flute lead whatever starts fading, like from 00:20:212 - to 00:22:349 - is no flute and the section sort of climaxes in itself. For short I wanted to express the lack of that flute and the climax of the section
00:29:149 (2,3) - The spacing between 00:28:761 (1,2,3,4) is pretty much identical, even though 00:29:149 (2) is mapped to a percussion sound and 00:29:344 (3,4) is mapped to the wubs. Gotta add some unique flair to tell the players that it's two different instruments. Same with: 00:30:315 (1,2) -, 00:31:870 (1,2) -, 00:34:978 (1,2) -, 00:36:532 (1,2)
I stacked 3 below 4 and moved 4 onto a Kick to further emphasize the Kick on and I moved all of the sections starts a bit to further emphasize them and the Snare after them... I also changed a lot more rhythms to doubles because you mentioned drums
00:31:092 (4,5,6) - The objects 00:31:092 (4,5) follow the wub electronic noises while 00:31:287 (6) follows a non-wub percussion noise. I think it should be mapped like this 00:29:538 (4,5) to have the two instruments be distinct.
I change like written above most rhythms to have stacks into Kick drums and mostly ignore the Bass layer now
00:32:647 (4,5,6,7) - The spacing of https://puu.sh/xeUSX.png implies that you're supposed to hit it like this: https://puu.sh/xeURF.png . Maybe do something like this 00:38:476 (2,3,4) ?
was also changed completely
00:41:585 (4,5,6,1) and 00:45:470 (5,1,2,3,4) - Having dropoff flow for the violin/whatever instrument and having more linear flow for percussion is really cool!
I haven't even looked up what drop off flow is lol
00:59:460 (3,1) - Spacing implies https://puu.sh/xf84K.png
I mirrored 01:00:237 (1,2,3,4) -
01:04:706 (2,3,4,5) - This part looks a little cluttered even with high AR, with 01:04:706 (2,3) on top of 01:05:289 (5).
I couldn't find a better solution, migth change in the future
01:20:445 (4) - Looks like a 1/4 slider, which will mess players up.
well I assume the SV change is obvious enough and it was hinted at with 00:28:178 (1) -

great mod thx~

this is actually getting really hard

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NeonLights

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Joined November 2014

NeonLights 2017-08-23T22:36:48+00:00

SICK, IS THIS A FREE NM?
yes it is

Send me to the horizon

[Menda's Nor-i mean-Advanced]
00:33:424 (6,7,8) - clean up this pattern, make it more symmetrical
01:13:061 (4) - idk if you are a fan of blankets but this could be much improved
01:14:616 (6) - minor aesthetic but you could make this a right angle with the reverse slider before it, imo looks better
01:16:947 (5,6) - not a fan of overlaps but this is ok, maybe you could rotate (6) 11 degrees and move it to 475,239?
01:22:388 (1,2) - you don't follow time-distance equality with this 1/2 jump
01:25:302 (6) - you decided not to map the snare at the end of this reverse slider, unlike every other place. I would recommend shortening the slider 1/2 a beat and mapping a circle for the last note, as the increased length might trick people up and to be consistent.
01:26:274 (7,8,9) - The 7 poses a readability problem as it overlaps the end of the slider. I would recommend you change ^ and figure out a new pattern
01:51:144 (9) - would recommend an NC here just to indicate there's a longer time gap here

[KKip's Hard]
00:29:344 (2,3) - I would suggest that you stack these to stay consistent with the spacing that you established earlier. Although in a hard time-distance equality doesn't matter *as* much, I think it would benefit if you just stacked those.
00:34:493 (7,1) - just a thought, but you use overlapping to indicate that the time gap is 1/4, maybe try avoiding an overlap here since the gap is 1/2
00:35:561 (2,3) - same thing as 00:29:344
00:45:082 (4,5) - This stack may pose a readability problem here since you consistently use stacks to represent a 1/4 gap between notes. It would be ok if you didn't switch between or introduced the concept early on, but you didn't.
00:52:854 (5,6) - I would be careful with this time gap and the 1/6 slider. It's not necessarily bad, but the rhythm is irregular and players may mistime it often
00:51:688 (5,1) - Just being nitpicky but maybe clean up this overlap here
00:58:100 (3,4,1,2) - Again, this overlap poses a readability problem. Recommend moving it out from under the slider.
01:12:284 (1) - I don't really see what you are mapping this spinner to. I would recommend moving the start of it further along the timeline to match the start of the intensifying drums.
01:30:548 (5,6) - see 00:45:082
01:36:766 (5,6) - ^
01:41:429 (3,1) - ^ (arguably this one is large enough where it might not be a problem but still good to take a look at it)
01:50:270 (3,4) - for better readability I would do something like this: https://i.imgur.com/gfPgaOP.png

[Celektus' Hyper]
00:28:178 (1,1) - After throwing a bunch of different spacings for each time gap, this spacing isn't clear and could pose a readability issue. I would either space it far away or do what you did with the other 1/1 gaps, like at 00:59:849
00:40:419 (5,6) - might have just been me but the DS for this 3/4 gap wasn't very clear
00:49:745 (6,7,8,1) - slight readability issue here with the fading slider completely overlapping 8 here
00:55:186 (1,2,3) - I would recommend you match the DS of the other stacks for this stack for consistency. It looks too similar to a 1/2 gap that you've established
00:59:849 (3,1) - You suddenly use this again after we got used to having 1/2 gaps not overlap like at the start of the song. While I understand that sound is quiet and you have hitsounded it that way, it poses a readability issue.
01:04:512 (1,2) - Ranking criteria- "Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing." this looks exactly like a 1/2 spacing
01:23:845 (4,5,6) - Placing the 6 so close to the 4 might pose a readability issue
01:30:063 (4,5,6) - ^
01:33:269 (4,5,6) - could we nudge the 5 a bit down and to the right so it makes a nice circle pls
01:36:280 (4,5,6) - you know what I'm going to say
01:40:263 (7) - NC to indicate drastic slider change
01:45:898 (1,1) - same thing as the first point at 00:28:178
01:50:367 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - can we use the same DS to help players identify these 3/4 gaps, also differenciate these from your 1/1 gaps

Most of the map was nice, but the DS changes during the last technical part are too varied and make it hard to read the rhythm accurately.

[Kujiin's Insane]
00:22:543 (3) - I'm going to disagree with the use of a sliderend to map that strong kick drum. That sound is definitely stronger than the lead flutey thingy.
00:25:458 - terrific pattern I like it
00:27:206 - you don't map a very important ding here
00:34:201 (4) - this reverse slider should really start 1/4 a beat back if you're going to use it here. Doesn't make sense to map the last 4 beats of the drum burst and not the first
01:01:403 (1,2,3) - not sure what you're mapping here, because it definitely isn't the drums. Those start 1/4 a beat later than what you have
01:50:076 (3) - why does this have larger DS from the previous note? Seems like the same intensity.
01:51:921 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - something about this stream doesn't feel perfectly circular. Maybe try redo-ing slider to stream?

[Special]
I wouldn't switch between 1/2 and 1/4 time gaps for your stacks so frequently. Makes it hard to predict what is coming next. This could be fixed with lower stack leniency or doing the stacks yourself so that 1/2 are completely overlapping and 1/4 are not, just a suggestion
00:41:876 (5,1,2,3,1) - I know you introduced this concept earlier, but this particular rhythm, combined with the 1/4 gap at 5,1, makes this very hard to read. You also use different spacing for the next instance of this rhythm. I mean, it's ok, but just take a look at it anyways.
01:36:572 (1,2,3) - spacing emphasis is wrong here, 1-2 should be larger than 2-3
01:55:419 (2) - I would put an NC here since this slider is longer in time but slower SV

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-08-26T17:49:31+00:00

NeonLights wrote:
SICK, IS THIS A FREE NM?
yes it is

fuc boxes xd

[Celektus' Hyper]
00:28:178 (1,1) - After throwing a bunch of different spacings for each time gap, this spacing isn't clear and could pose a readability issue. I would either space it far away or do what you did with the other 1/1 gaps, like at 00:59:849
I stacked them
00:40:419 (5,6) - might have just been me but the DS for this 3/4 gap wasn't very clear
the whole song up until this point was always very 3/4 focused so I decided to add a additional difficulty element by not simplifying them 3/4 gap and I think that's fine for now at this very special part of the song
00:49:745 (6,7,8,1) - slight readability issue here with the fading slider completely overlapping 8 here
fair enough made it easier
00:55:186 (1,2,3) - I would recommend you match the DS of the other stacks for this stack for consistency. It looks too similar to a 1/2 gap that you've established
I'm not 100% sure what you mean but I think I made it better
00:59:849 (3,1) - You suddenly use this again after we got used to having 1/2 gaps not overlap like at the start of the song. While I understand that sound is quiet and you have hitsounded it that way, it poses a readability issue.
@-Jordan- I agree that's really dumb sounding
01:04:512 (1,2) - Ranking criteria- "Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing." this looks exactly like a 1/2 spacing
I already changed that last update it's now not 1/1 anymore
01:23:845 (4,5,6) - Placing the 6 so close to the 4 might pose a readability issue
01:30:063 (4,5,6) - ^
I don't think that's a problem in a intense section like this, I'll keep it until someone give reasoning why it's unfair compared to everything else
01:33:269 (4,5,6) - could we nudge the 5 a bit down and to the right so it makes a nice circle pls
I think the last update made this more complicated to pull off so I won't for now
01:36:280 (4,5,6) - you know what I'm going to say
yea but again I think it's respectably hard
01:40:263 (7) - NC to indicate drastic slider change
in this case It makes sense I guess
01:45:898 (1,1) - same thing as the first point at 00:28:178
wait it's already NC'd?
01:50:367 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - can we use the same DS to help players identify these 3/4 gaps, also differenciate these from your 1/1 gaps
last update simplified them with 1/4

Most of the map was nice, but the DS changes during the last technical part are too varied and make it hard to read the rhythm accurately.
noob git gud at dis geam

thx was helpful~

it me ya boi

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KKipalt

129 posts

Joined August 2015

KKipalt 2017-09-07T23:57:45+00:00

mods

Meow-Mix wrote:
KKip's Hard
As of August 13, 2017

Overall Thoughts
Note density should consist of mostly 1/2, occasional 1/4, or slower rhythms.
The note density of the map is far too high for any reasonable hard difficulty, even with short reversing sliders. On the wiki page for the ranking criteria, the hard difficulty guidelines states that, "Note density should consist of mostly 1/2, occasional 1/4, or slower rhythms." The note density is closer to that of a hyper or insane difficulty. To illustrate, change the AR to 8.5 - 8.8. Notice that the map suddenly becomes a lot easier to read.
Ranking criteria is based around ~180bpm. The diff spread + song allows for this difficulty in this hadr diff.
Take a look at ranked Hard difficulties of similar songs.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/793619
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154745
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1257167

As such, I'm not able to completely mod this diff as I'm not sure whether to mod this as a hard difficulty or as insane difficulty.
If u want to mod it, jus look at is as something close to insane but still hard, if ur comparing it to ur typical hard

NeonLights wrote:
SICK, IS THIS A FREE NM?
yes it is

[KKip's Hard]
00:29:344 (2,3) - I would suggest that you stack these to stay consistent with the spacing that you established earlier. Although in a hard time-distance equality doesn't matter *as* much, I think it would benefit if you just stacked those. this is to show emphasis, will change if there are mor complaints here aftr this mod
00:34:493 (7,1) - just a thought, but you use overlapping to indicate that the time gap is 1/4, maybe try avoiding an overlap here since the gap is 1/2 added repeat
00:35:561 (2,3) - same thing as 00:29:344 same as 29:344
00:45:082 (4,5) - This stack may pose a readability problem here since you consistently use stacks to represent a 1/4 gap between notes. It would be ok if you didn't switch between or introduced the concept early on, but you didn't. I never map a double like this, a doubl always has a slider in this diff, changes still might happen
00:52:854 (5,6) - I would be careful with this time gap and the 1/6 slider. It's not necessarily bad, but the rhythm is irregular and players may mistime it often slider leniency + od should mak it fine, I might chang if I get mor complaints
00:51:688 (5,1) - Just being nitpicky but maybe clean up this overlap here done
00:58:100 (3,4,1,2) - Again, this overlap poses a readability problem. Recommend moving it out from under the slider. 3/4 on this bpm shud gtive the player enuff time to respond, ill still think about this tho
01:12:284 (1) - I don't really see what you are mapping this spinner to. I would recommend moving the start of it further along the timeline to match the start of the intensifying drums. mapped to the 2nd phrase of that part
01:30:548 (5,6) - see 00:45:082 see 45
01:36:766 (5,6) - ^ ^
01:41:429 (3,1) - ^ (arguably this one is large enough where it might not be a problem but still good to take a look at it) map based of density. as u mentiond, it is also cus its a large timeline gap
01:50:270 (3,4) - for better readability I would do something like this: https://i.imgur.com/gfPgaOP.png changed, might change back as I don't see a differenc myself but yea

gary00737

593 posts

Joined February 2015

gary00737 2017-09-13T13:36:38+00:00

M4M

Normal

00:06:805 - here why no note >< but 00:13:022 (1) - why here have a note , i think here is same rhythm

offscreen : 00:39:642 (1) - 00:41:973 (2) - 01:37:154 (1) -

Shani's Advanced

00:38:087 (1,3) - I think it can make better

01:34:046 (1) - i think it not overlap 01:33:851 (9) - will be better !

KKip's Hard

00:22:154 (6,1) - i think no jump will be better
00:22:543 (1,2) - why overlap

it look like 1/4
00:53:631 (1) - i think try this will be better , how do you think @@? https://i.imgur.com/fanwL2J.png
01:46:870 (2) - nc
01:47:452 (2) - nc too

um ,, i think this hard diff not a hard >_>" look like insane

Celektus' Hyper

01:05:872 (2,3,4) - try this -> https://i.imgur.com/cz093fG.png

sorry my mod not good, good luck for rank !!!! shoot a star

Hectic

511 posts

Joined August 2015

Hectic 2017-09-14T12:35:53+00:00

hi, nm from q

normal:

00:11:662 (3) - fix blanket
00:16:326 (1,2) - this rhythm is perfect for this section, but then you go for different object variations that don't represent this music that well. maybe you went for variety but i think you better stick to something that represnts music better
00:25:652 (1,2,3) - i'd make 2 circles instead of (1) or a slider instead of (2) and (3), cause sounds are the same, same objects would represent that
00:39:642 (1) - 01:37:154 (1) - offscreen
00:56:740 - 01:02:958 - make it clickable, it would feel much better cause its a beginning of new measure
01:21:999 (2,3,4) - 01:34:434 (2,3,4) - align?

advanced:

00:05:445 (5,1) - didn't get what nc on (1) currently represents, perhaps swap them
00:11:274 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - this feels very disorginized except for (5) and (8) being parallel
00:27:206 (5) - 01:44:927 (5) - nc?
00:27:206 (5,2) - 00:38:087 (1,3) - 01:36:377 (7,8,1) - these thing could look better
01:31:714 (2,3) - 01:35:211 (4,5) - 01:35:988 (6,7) - 01:38:126 (3,4) - 01:40:069 (8,1) - 01:41:235 (3,4) - 01:42:790 (3,4) - fix blanket
01:46:481 (1) - i got the idea, but i think it could be less random and more appealing to eyes
01:47:258 (2,3) - you went for some kind of blanket with those, something went wrong here

hard:

00:51:688 (5,1) - 01:03:735 (3,1) - 01:38:709 (1,2) - make them a bit further apart
i think this difficulty is way too difficult to read for this skill because of stacks, complicated rhythms, sliders with unpredictable amount of reverses and ds organization. not that kind of diff where you can challenge player with such stuff. perhaps make it more straight forward

hope i helped somehow! good luck

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-14T14:48:42+00:00

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
hi, nm from q

advanced:
00:05:445 (5,1) - didn't get what nc on (1) currently represents, perhaps swap them I went with Something that looked less silly to me but whatever lets just use the ''more logical'' nc here
00:11:274 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - this feels very disorginized except for (5) and (8) being parallel I changed this but since no real suggestion I don't really think I made it much more coherent to you, still think its better so meh now its fine and has more reasoning I guess
00:27:206 (5) - 01:44:927 (5) - nc? No? I dont want those slider to be new combo by themself I think its a bit dumb lol
00:27:206 (5,2) - 00:38:087 (1,3) - 01:36:377 (7,8,1) - these thing could look better Didnt change first one not necessary, kinda fixed both other one to have better visual spacing between sliders
01:31:714 (2,3) - 01:35:211 (4,5) - 01:35:988 (6,7) - 01:38:126 (3,4) - 01:40:069 (8,1) - 01:41:235 (3,4) - 01:42:790 (3,4) - fix blanket Emmm they weren't all wrong but I fixed some of those that were a pixel off x)
01:46:481 (1) - i got the idea, but i think it could be less random and more appealing to eyes Those arent random?
01:47:258 (2,3) - you went for some kind of blanket with those, something went wrong here ??? I think they work I could change them to Something a little different but it would look weirder imo I prefer those close overlapping blanket although might wanna fix them if they arent ok I guess

hope i helped somehow! good luck

for gary00737 answer emmm

00:38:087 (1,3) - I think it can make better Already fixed

01:34:046 (1) - i think it not overlap 01:33:851 (9) - will be better ! Dont think it need to be changed here

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-14T15:40:54+00:00

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
hi, nm from q

normal:
00:11:662 (3) - fix blanket ok
00:16:326 (1,2) - this rhythm is perfect for this section, but then you go for different object variations that don't represent this music that well. maybe you went for variety but i think you better stick to something that represnts music better made it more consistent
00:25:652 (1,2,3) - i'd make 2 circles instead of (1) or a slider instead of (2) and (3), cause sounds are the same, same objects would represent that i dont think this is an issue and 00:26:430 (2,3,1) - acts as a good build up
00:39:642 (1) - 01:37:154 (1) - offscreen fixed
00:56:740 - 01:02:958 - make it clickable, it would feel much better cause its a beginning of new measure not really i think the reverse is better here
01:21:999 (2,3,4) - 01:34:434 (2,3,4) - align? i prefer this positioning than having it parallel, it gives it more visual variety

hope i helped somehow! good luck Thanks

Peter

786 posts

Joined June 2016

Peter 2017-09-14T17:38:06+00:00

Hi there from my queue

Normal

00:17:880 (3) - make this more sharp so will look better http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087945
00:27:206 (1) - move it like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087956 after that move these 00:28:178 (2,1,2,3) to http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087964
00:59:849 (1) - make it more sharp because blanket isnt visible enought

Advanced

00:21:377 (2) - Would do that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088022
00:31:481 (3,4,1) - hmm you should do that https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088035
00:39:642 (1) - change to that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088038
01:48:035 (3,4) - maybe to something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088046

Hard

00:34:978 (1) - this slider looks weird for me change to this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088060
00:38:087 (1,2,3) - to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088066

Hyper

00:10:108 (1,2,3) - Umm doesnt seems to be good idea
01:00:237 (1) - place this one a little bit higher

-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-15T19:45:50+00:00

PeterEU wrote:
Hi there from my queue hi

Normal

00:17:880 (3) - make this more sharp so will look better http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087945 i like the symmetry with the one before it and don't see a reason to change
00:27:206 (1) - move it like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087956 after that move these 00:28:178 (2,1,2,3) to http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087964 whats wrong with how it is now?
00:59:849 (1) - make it more sharp because blanket isnt visible enought ok

CPLs

351 posts

Joined April 2012

CPLs 2017-09-16T07:58:07+00:00

can I even mod this
(from m4m)

w.e

[k insane]
during the wubwub part you can use some slow/fast slider to emphasize like in hardest diff (pretty sure it's allowed on insanes)

00:02:142 (1) extend by 1/8, if you slow the playback rate there's actually a sound
01:24:331 (1,2) lower this a bit for better reading

[hardest diff]
- 00:27:401 (1,2,3) I don't think the red color is emphasizing anything
that only makes this hard to see the rest on default skin, change the color or just use the same color throughout the map, (keep the red only on fast slider).
another suggestion is just make the spacing further on this 00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) , same with 01:45:121 (1,2,3)

-no wobbly slider on this part 00:33:424 (2) ? the prev and next pattern are like this, and there's wub too

-I don't recommend stacking this 00:42:362 (3) with 2 ,ctrl+g with next 1 (switch hitsound too)?

- 00:46:054 (1) I understand this is a hardest diff but this flow doesn't feel good, ctrl+g 1?

[hyper]

00:02:336 (1) this whistle doesn't fit tbh, just use soft sounds

change this 00:21:766 (2) to be like 00:20:114 (3,4,5) , starting on hte blue tick before (more consistent patterns, don't change it when the music doesn't even change)

nitpicking here, this slider 01:57:945 (3) doesn't sound matching, how about spinner?

ok bye

edit : le map (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/664568)

-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-16T21:34:17+00:00

CPLs wrote:
can I even mod this
(from m4m)

[hardest diff]
- 00:27:401 (1,2,3) I don't think the red color is emphasizing anything
that only makes this hard to see the rest on default skin, change the color or just use the same color throughout the map, (keep the red only on fast slider).
another suggestion is just make the spacing further on this 00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) , same with 01:45:121 (1,2,3) the spacing is how it is now so a player can either aim at the middle of the pattern, or follow it. i dont think the colours are an issue as this is a unique part of the map

-no wobbly slider on this part 00:33:424 (2) ? the prev and next pattern are like this, and there's wub too it's not a sustained wub like the others, and i always handle the sound like this

-I don't recommend stacking this 00:42:362 (3) with 2 ,ctrl+g with next 1 (switch hitsound too)? introduced at 00:04:668 (1,2,3,1) - , whats wrong with stacks

- 00:46:054 (1) I understand this is a hardest diff but this flow doesn't feel good, ctrl+g 1? and, whats wrong with how it is

ok bye

edit : le map (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/664568)

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-17T20:00:53+00:00

PeterEU wrote:
Hi there from my queue

Advanced
00:21:377 (2) - Would do that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088022 Emm I prefer to keep it as it is. It work well with the change in directions and its reused later on in that section on in that section which would mean more changes required
00:31:481 (3,4,1) - hmm you should do that https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088035 Nah, I introduce the linear circles here so I'll keep those linear too
00:39:642 (1) - change to that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088038 I changed it to blanket 2 but kept the spacing for the DS to work too.
01:48:035 (3,4) - maybe to something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088046 Changed to that

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ArtistUnicode:かめりあ
Creator:-Jordan-
Version:Shani's Advanced
Source:REFLEC BEAT 悠久のリフレシア
Tags:the reflesia of eternity konami artcore drumstep folk the reflesia of eternity konami artcore drumstep folk kujinn celektus kkipalt shanipika
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ANuko

187 posts

Joined June 2016

ANuko 2017-09-18T02:44:02+00:00

bad mod incoming

special

00:14:285 (2,3) - move closer to 00:14:771 (1) -, maybe at X:230 Y:81 to make a straight line with 00:14:771 (1,2,3) -
00:31:481 (2) - move this farther away from 00:31:287 (1) - reason : 00:31:481 (2) - to create a more "awkward" feel from the sound
01:14:033 (1) - maybe make the spinner be something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9117235 where it grows as it gets louder. Reason : Fuck Spinners :^)
01:56:585 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - maybe empathize this a bit more as it is much more louder then the previous part

done now give me my pp like you said

Phos-

773 posts

Joined December 2012

Phos- 2017-09-19T19:08:12+00:00

Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Normal]

00:36:533 (1) - This slider goes into the healthbar of the default skin, which I think is poor presentation. I would move it down a bit.
00:52:077 (1,2) - I don't really like the way you've chosen this rhythm. The sudden decrease in note density may confuse the player, and the music doesn't exactly get calmer to justify it. I would replace these two circles with a slider instead, as the player won't have to worry about timing the 1/2 note and it'll be more intuitive to play.
01:28:217 (2) - like I mentioned at 00:36:533 (1) - , this note also goes into the healthbar, which doesn't look nice.
01:38:709 (3) - You should get rid of the reverse and place a circle at 01:39:486 - , because that way you will be emphasising the chime sound in the music. You'll also be placing more pressure on the end of the slider because the player's hold ends, which is appropriate considering that the melody gets pretty strong here as well.

[Shani's Advanced]
Let's talk about your choice of rhythm at 00:21:377 (2,3) - . This is so bad to play because the player has no idea as to when to click (3). The end of (2) isn't clickable, meaning that the player doesn't have a polarised rhythm to go off of. This then causes the player to not know when to hit (3), meaning that they have to guess. There are so many better, smoother rhythms that you can utilise instead, such as:

Rhythm 1. The player will have an idea of when to hit (3) because of the rhythms before hand, and the repeat/end of the slider expresses the two awkward blue ticks without the player having to actively click on them.
Rhythm 2. The latter half of this is made entirely out of circles, but it still plays better than what you have now because everything is clickable, giving the player a clear rhythm.

I'm sure you get the idea by now. These rhythms are intuitive because the blue ticks are either expressed through a reverse arrow, which is a passive hit object. Or, they are all made clickable, because the player can use polarity to their advantage. Keep in mind that this rhythm is scattered all throughout your map (at 00:24:486 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:46:248 (2,3) - etc.) so make sure to go through the difficulty and change each of these rhythms.

You should look at Pishifat's two videos about it (1 2) and Charles445's video about polarity which is old but still relevant to this situation. (1). These videos will go into lots of detail on how you can make proper rhythms which applies to this entire map.

00:03:890 (1,2) - This blanket is off by a large margin, making it clearly noticeable in-game. You should ctrl+G (2), make sure that the approach circle lines up with the rim of (1)'s slider tail, and then ctrl+g it back.
00:29:149 (2,2) - I would change this overlap. It's noticeable and it feels out of place with the rest of the map. It also looks ugly imo, so you should change it.
00:34:590 (4,5,1) - You should move (1) a bit so that the angle is sharper. It's bad to have it as a straight line because that would assume each note has equal emphasis, which isn't the case. Therefore, you can emphasise this more through a change of angle. Even somewhere like x:223 y:273 would be more appropriate here.
00:53:631 (1) - In this segment, you should map to something that isn't the drum. The rhythm density is so low here that it just feels unintuitive to play. Sliders like 00:57:323 (2) - aren't accentuating the correct notes either, since it's the sound on the white tick that needs to be clickable.

This difficulty needs a lot of work rhythm wise. Please listen to what I said and look at the videos I've linked for rhythm structure so you can make the rhythms in this difficulty better. It's not a lost cause and I believe this has potential. You've just got to work on it.

[KKip's Hard]

00:51:688 (5,1) - Perhaps this pattern would look neater if you got rid of this overlap? It shouldn't be too hard to fix, and I think it'll look nicer.
00:52:854 (5,6) - Extend (5) to the following red tick. Although it's not on a drum, is still on quite an important sound and should be emphasised, otherwise it'll just feel awkward.
01:23:165 (1) - You should replace this circle with a 1/2 slider, because I can hear a hold sound in the melody. Therefore, I think a 1/2 slider would fit the music here better. It'll also fill in the gaps in the rhythm, which will feel better to play since the player has a clear rhythmic guideline of when to hit 01:23:457 (2) - . This suggestion also applies for 01:29:383 (1) - .
01:50:270 (3,4) - This is the first time an overlap of this calibre appears in the map, which makes it feel very out of place. I would change this pattern up a bit to make it more consistent and readable.

[Celektus' Hyper]

00:10:108 (1,2,3) - Not really a fan of the scrunched up triangle look here. It's inconsistent with all the other patterns in this map, and it looks ugly imo.
00:27:206 - This is quite an important sound, but you have nothing here to emphasise it; not even a repeat. I would ideally place a circle on this down beat to make it clickable, and then get rid of a repeat on 00:26:818 (1) - to create a buffer, so players don't leave the slider early and sliderbreak.
00:30:315 (1) - This slider goes into the default skin's healthbar, which is poor presentation. It would look nicer if you moved it down a bit.
01:30:063 (4) - Here I would move the start of this slider by 1/4 (so it starts on the white tick) and then fill the gap with a circle. (like this). This way, you will be emphasising an important beat that needs attention, as it is where the main melody gets very powerful.
01:35:600 (1) - Same problem as what I've mentioned at 00:30:315 (1) - , you should get rid of this healthbar overlap.

[Kujinn's Insane]

00:55:186 (1,2,3,4) - The four note stream is a bit awkward here. Maybe you could use a different rhythm, like a repeating slider instead? That will feel more comfortable to play.
01:05:484 (1,2,1,2,3) - The spaced triplet and double is a bit much. The song isn't intense enough to justify them, and they are the only successive spaced 1/4 that appear in the map, so I would tone them down.
01:44:538 (1) - You should make this a 1/4 slider as well, because the rhythm doesn't change and it eliminates the gap between this and (2). This'll make it fit the music better, and be more fun to play.

[Special]

00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - This is quite an interesting pattern. I just don't think it's supported by the rest of the map though. The rest of the map is very straight forward, without too many gimmicky overlaps or read intensive patterns, meaning that this pattern sticks out in a bad way. A map is built around this, it does not just show up in the middle of an existing one. Same goes for 01:45:121 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - .
00:36:338 (4,1) - It would flow better if you moved (1) further up, and further away. This is so that slider leniency is less strict; since the player will be moving in a similar direction to the slider; and it'll place more emphasis on (1), which is good because it's on a strong sound.

I'd say that the biggest problem you've all got to work on is the rhythm composition in the middle difficulties. It's not in a good spot at all, but I believe that this mapset has a lot of potential if you get that sorted out. Good luck ~

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-19T21:47:14+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Shani's Advanced]
Let's talk about your choice of rhythm at 00:21:377 (2,3) - . This is so bad to play because the player has no idea as to when to click (3). The end of (2) isn't clickable, meaning that the player doesn't have a polarised rhythm to go off of. This then causes the player to not know when to hit (3), meaning that they have to guess. There are so many better, smoother rhythms that you can utilise instead, such as:
Rhythm 1. The player will have an idea of when to hit (3) because of the rhythms before hand, and the repeat/end of the slider expresses the two awkward blue ticks without the player having to actively click on them.
Rhythm 2. The latter half of this is made entirely out of circles, but it still plays better than what you have now because everything is clickable, giving the player a clear rhythm.
I'm sure you get the idea by now. These rhythms are intuitive because the blue ticks are either expressed through a reverse arrow, which is a passive hit object. Or, they are all made clickable, because the player can use polarity to their advantage. Keep in mind that this rhythm is scattered all throughout your map (at 00:24:486 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:46:248 (2,3) - etc.) so make sure to go through the difficulty and change each of these rhythms.

You should look at Pishifat's two videos about it (1 2) and Charles445's video about polarity which is old but still relevant to this situation. (1). These videos will go into lots of detail on how you can make proper rhythms which applies to this entire map.
Ok. Listen. I know you tried to help and you think my rhythm is bad and unplayable. But.... you completly missed the point of the videos you linked. Like 100% wrong on all aspect of what you told me here.

If we uses Charles445's exemple with ''red and white tick'' polarity and ''blue tick'' polarity. The song switches polarity a lot kinda right? A lot of the drum is on a 3/4 rhythm base. So using we need to find a way to map 3/4 intuitivly for newer player. The idea of doing that is by avoiding creating 3/4 gaps between notes because thats unintuitive to play for a newer player. They can read easily a 1/2 gap or a 1/1 gap, they can even understand the idea that omg this is very close this is prolly twice as fast as this 1/2 gap before so its a 1/4 gap right? So what I did to avoid creating 3/4th gap that are really unintuitive because suddenly its not a mesure of twice as fast or twice as slow but a weird longer wait but not really that longer gap thingy, is that I used 3/4 slider. In your first rhythm exemple, you made a 1/1 slider. Followed by a 3/4 gap. We just said 3/4 gap are totally unintutive to play so thats play a mistake to do. In your second exemple you still keep the same 3/4 gap because you just turned all your slider into circles. In that second exemple you also created a really hard rhythm for that level of player which is a cicle on a 1/4 beat after another circle. Its doable after a slider since a slider end is passive. You dont need to click it. But if you need to click two circles like that its way harder for a newer player.

So I used that way of using sliders ending on blue tick to do those changes in polarity. So my rhythm dont have the problem of having a weird 3/4 gap but uses 3/4 slider with 1/2 gaps and 1/4 gaps which is perfectly fine for that level.

I did do a mistake with rhythm in a later place in the song with 3/4 gap so I fixed it tho. was around this 01:52:407 - where I mapped the 3 as a circle leaving a weird 3/4 gap to the new combo 1/1 slider on the white tick there. The only place in the entire map that I kept those 3/4 gaps are here 01:55:807 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - at the end of the song as its the closing of the song and I felt they were not only stong enough to be mapped but they made a great punch to had to the map ending and I feel the entire map and song prepare the player well enough to be able to hit those properly. Oh also kept this 00:40:419 (2) - but I'm really unsure about keeping it or not as it feel a bit awkward so I'd like to get opinions from a mapper with actual rhythm knowledge to tell me if its alright.

If you want to link theory on rhythm to someone, you should make sure you actually understand what you're trying to explain in the first place. I hope this help you understand. It makes me wonder tho if you actually watched those video you linked to me as they clearly explain the same things as I'm trying to explain you here.

00:03:890 (1,2) - This blanket is off by a large margin, making it clearly noticeable in-game. You should ctrl+G (2), make sure that the approach circle lines up with the rim of (1)'s slider tail, and then ctrl+g it back. Fixed lol
00:29:149 (2,2) - I would change this overlap. It's noticeable and it feels out of place with the rest of the map. It also looks ugly imo, so you should change it. I changed that but I broke a little bit outsidee of the DS of the map, I hope its still fine otherwise I'll find a way to make it work better
00:34:590 (4,5,1) - You should move (1) a bit so that the angle is sharper. It's bad to have it as a straight line because that would assume each note has equal emphasis, which isn't the case. Therefore, you can emphasise this more through a change of angle. Even somewhere like x:223 y:273 would be more appropriate here. Changed to give a little more angle into 1 to give a bit more emphasis
00:53:631 (1) - In this segment, you should map to something that isn't the drum. The rhythm density is so low here that it just feels unintuitive to play. Sliders like 00:57:323 (2) - aren't accentuating the correct notes either, since it's the sound on the white tick that needs to be clickable.
This difficulty needs a lot of work rhythm wise. Please listen to what I said and look at the videos I've linked for rhythm structure so you can make the rhythms in this difficulty better. It's not a lost cause and I believe this has potential. You've just got to work on it. I agree that this segment can be a bit odd to play because theres not much going on but my rhythm is prolly the most intuitive I can get to map it. I kinda want to keep it mapped too because its mapped in lower diff, easiest way to do it would e to just make it a break as theres no instrument playing much more clearly and frequently in that section.

I'd say that the biggest problem you've all got to work on is the rhythm composition in the middle difficulties. It's not in a good spot at all, but I believe that this mapset has a lot of potential if you get that sorted out. Good luck ~ Thanks for the mod! We see its a great attempt at improving the map but I believe you still need to understand better the theory you're trying to explain before trying to throw it in a mod like this :/

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-19T23:21:02+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Normal]
00:36:533 (1) - This slider goes into the healthbar of the default skin, which I think is poor presentation. I would move it down a bit. ok
00:52:077 (1,2) - I don't really like the way you've chosen this rhythm. The sudden decrease in note density may confuse the player, and the music doesn't exactly get calmer to justify it. I would replace these two circles with a slider instead, as the player won't have to worry about timing the 1/2 note and it'll be more intuitive to play. did something different to make it the right density
01:28:217 (2) - like I mentioned at 00:36:533 (1) - , this note also goes into the healthbar, which doesn't look nice. changed
01:38:709 (3) - You should get rid of the reverse and place a circle at 01:39:486 - , because that way you will be emphasising the chime sound in the music. You'll also be placing more pressure on the end of the slider because the player's hold ends, which is appropriate considering that the melody gets pretty strong here as well. ok
[Special]
00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - This is quite an interesting pattern. I just don't think it's supported by the rest of the map though. The rest of the map is very straight forward, without too many gimmicky overlaps or read intensive patterns, meaning that this pattern sticks out in a bad way. A map is built around this, it does not just show up in the middle of an existing one. Same goes for 01:45:121 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - . been thinking about this and while the pattern is easy to play the way i intend it to, it is hard to read with the direction and NC, made some edit but the core pattern is still there
00:36:338 (4,1) - It would flow better if you moved (1) further up, and further away. This is so that slider leniency is less strict; since the player will be moving in a similar direction to the slider; and it'll place more emphasis on (1), which is good because it's on a strong sound. ok
I'd say that the biggest problem you've all got to work on is the rhythm composition in the middle difficulties. It's not in a good spot at all, but I believe that this mapset has a lot of potential if you get that sorted out. Good luck ~ thx

blueloniess

364 posts

Joined February 2014

blueloniess 2017-09-20T04:38:49+00:00

Hello

Special

00:18:074 (2,3) - I think it's better if you Ctrl+G
00:27:401 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - quite hard to read and play
01:45:121 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - ^
pretty Awesome

kujinn's insane

00:09:136 (4,2,3,4) - stack
00:36:144 (3,4) - why use anti-flow, maybe Ctrl+G
01:39:098 (3,1) - Stack
Awesome too

Hyper

00:06:222 (8,9) - stack or separate
00:10:108 (1,2,3) - too close, separate it
00:12:440 (8,9) - ^
00:12:634 (9,4) - stack
00:21:572 - I think here missing a note
00:31:481 (7,2) - stack
00:39:253 (5,2) - ^
00:53:631 (1,4) - blanket
00:56:740 (1,4) - ^
01:02:958 (1) - blanket or stack?
01:03:735 (4,2,3) - stack
01:26:274 (1,2) - ^
I think this map is too crowded. separate some sliders can make the map looks clear

hard

00:40:225 (3,4,5) - stack
00:42:168 (6,3) - ^
00:42:945 (2,4) - I think this stack is a little hard for a hard mapset
00:52:854 (5,7) - stack
01:28:411 (3) - Ctrl+G
01:39:098 (2) - put it at x:105 y:341 seems better
01:53:670 (4,5) - stack

IDK how to mod EZ and NM

Good luck!

Avenora

26 posts

Joined August 2015

Avenora 2017-09-20T05:52:18+00:00

Hello from my mod queue
My mod for this map are mostly aesthetics because I feel like you guys nailed the flow already

Special

00:21:669 (1) - if it continues the previous slider, no need to NC

Kujinn's Insane

00:12:440 (3,1) - switch NC
00:36:921 (2) - make the end overlap with 1's end and blanket the next notes
00:38:476 (2) - start from previous 3's end
00:43:528 (5,1) - don't make an ugly overlap like this
00:49:745 (5) - start where previous 1 started
01:39:389 (1,3) - switch NC
01:50:756 (2) - could use NC here
01:51:727 (3,1) - disable NC, or move 3 closer to 1 to indicate continuous movement

Celektus' Hyper

00:48:968 (1,2) - move 1 further from 2, or NC on 2 to indicate pause
00:52:659 (2,3,4) - move these further from 1 and make it in line with 5,6
01:27:245 (2) - unclean overlap with sliderend

Shani's Advanced

Conflicting tag with other diffs

that's all from me, good luck

Mithia

618 posts

Joined February 2017

Mithia 2017-09-21T20:19:36+00:00

Hi Hi! from my mod queue

My mod will not be very useful, since this map is excellent to my opinion

Shani's Advanced

00:06:222 (2,3) - I do not think it's very useful, but a blanket would not be bad
00:24:972 (3) - stack it with00:23:709 (3) - ?)

It's nothing special, but try to help anyway, sorry...

GL Jordan

Amazing Map

Ali-

63 posts

Joined December 2015

Ali- 2017-09-21T21:02:31+00:00

from my mod q, feel free to deny thnx

[Speshul]
00:05:445 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - missed a good opportunity to have these blanket eachother!!
00:15:937 (4,5) - i feel as if this would be a lot less compact if you overlapped it with this 00:15:160 (3) - instead. just looks a lot better
00:18:074 (3) - i hate to be that guy but... blanket pls
00:19:240 (4) - overlap with 00:18:269 (3) - instead?
00:21:669 (1,2) - this sounds a bit unique and technical. you could do a ctrl+g on 00:21:669 (1) - to make it feel more emphasized and present
00:22:057 (1) - couldnt this be done better by doing this? that way the player is clicking on the emphasized sound with the slider head, instead of it being a repeat arrow which usually represents very soft sounds
00:24:680 (1,2,3) - rhythm here is a lot more technical. the first beat which should be emphasized is 00:24:778 - not on the head of 00:24:875 (3) {which is being emphasized by being a long slider}. the second sound is on the red tick here 00:25:069 , which is correct, and the final lands on 00:25:263 - which is correct. it could be represented this way
00:28:761 (1) - lots of movement, very exciting! but... right into a full stop with no movement (00:29:149 (1) - )... it kills the flow. try making 00:29:149 (1) a slider
00:30:315 (1,1) - refer to above, ill stop mentioning it but you get the jist.
00:31:481 (2) - this slow slider has a VERY hard time representing this sound. definitely consider changing that.
00:31:870 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this has the movement im looking for! keep this up, it wont be nearly as janky if you did this more often.
00:34:104 (2,3) - both sliders land on that deep bass hit sound but 00:34:493 - is represented with a sliderend. its inconsistent and rather jarring (00:34:687 - here too, but this could be represented using a cool pattern rather than just a slider. its up to you how you want to do that, of course)
00:40:225 (4,5,1) - this would be a lot more hype if it had substantially less spacing than the following circles, like its building up then releasing. example
00:41:973 (1,2,3,1) - such a detrimental blow to the movement created literally an instant before. its a huge turn off because these parts where you're undermapping have so much potential to be cool as hell
00:43:528 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - something like this is somewhat more acceptable, but you still severely undermap the sound on 00:43:916 (3) -
00:45:859 - ALWAYS avoid mapping something as important as this on a slider end.
00:46:248 (2) - (or undermap it)
01:00:237 (2) - a very slow slider and a high spaced snap to 01:00:626 (3) would represent this better imo

i really like the kiais. i cant really find any glooming issues without being annoying by repeating myself and cherrypicking solely based on preference, so ill leave them be

01:52:699 (5) - the undermap aaa
01:55:419 (2,1) - definitely need to find a substitution for this, it has no purpose and is unappealing to the eye. an anti-flow slider could work.

01:57:361 (5) - better mapped as a 1/2 slider imo

really cool map. i guess i can understand the undermapping because you're going for a rather easy tech map, sorry if i protagonized!

good luck, this could definitely go somewhere

KKipalt

129 posts

Joined August 2015

KKipalt 2017-09-22T19:52:38+00:00

mod repl

gary00737 wrote:
M4M

KKip's Hard 00:22:154 (6,1) - i think no jump will be better new bar
00:22:543 (1,2) - why overlap it look like 1/4 oke
00:53:631 (1) - i think try this will be better , how do you think @@? https://i.imgur.com/fanwL2J.png inconsistent with other sliderbodies
01:46:870 (2) - nc don't see a point
01:47:452 (2) - nc too ^

um ,, i think this hard diff not a hard >_>" look like insane

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
hard:
00:51:688 (5,1) - 01:03:735 (3,1) - 01:38:709 (1,2) - make them a bit further apart 01:38:709 (1,2) didn't change this cus its just a drum
i think this difficulty is way too difficult to read for this skill because of stacks, complicated rhythms, sliders with unpredictable amount of reverses and ds organization. not that kind of diff where you can challenge player with such stuff. perhaps make it more straight forward

PeterEU wrote:
00:34:978 (1) - this slider looks weird for me change to this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088060 dusnt follow music
00:38:087 (1,2,3) - to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088066 ^ + 2 shud look same

-Faded- wrote:
[KKip's Hard]
00:51:688 (5,1) - Perhaps this pattern would look neater if you got rid of this overlap? It shouldn't be too hard to fix, and I think it'll look nicer. done
00:52:854 (5,6) - Extend (5) to the following red tick. Although it's not on a drum, is still on quite an important sound and should be emphasised, otherwise it'll just feel awkward. feels fine to me, maybe my earphones r bda
01:23:165 (1) - You should replace this circle with a 1/2 slider, because I can hear a hold sound in the melody. Therefore, I think a 1/2 slider would fit the music here better. It'll also fill in the gaps in the rhythm, which will feel better to play since the player has a clear rhythmic guideline of when to hit 01:23:457 (2) - . This suggestion also applies for 01:29:383 (1) - . wanted to have th stop feelin, cus laik the music is like that unless u play ht, maybe I'm missin somethin
01:50:270 (3,4) - This is the first time an overlap of this calibre appears in the map, which makes it feel very out of place. I would change this pattern up a bit to make it more consistent and readable. changed, dunno if its better "I hav no clu wat to do here actually"

blueloniess wrote:
00:40:225 (3,4,5) - stack shud b stakd now
00:42:168 (6,3) - ^ don't agree, this looks better, dusn break any concepts eithr
00:42:945 (2,4) - I think this stack is a little hard for a hard mapset I kinda agree but, idk I mite need suggestions
00:52:854 (5,7) - stack this is more readabl
01:28:411 (3) - Ctrl+G that underemphasizes tht part if u ctrl g
01:39:098 (2) - put it at x:105 y:341 seems better definitely disagree, I laik did more
01:53:670 (4,5) - stack more readabl this way, I think + consistency

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Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Ongaku 2017-09-23T03:38:26+00:00

from queue \o

First of all, please lower your hitsound volume. It gets in the way of the song, and that's pretty bad.

Special:

00:05:250 (1,1) - Pretty unnecessary NCs if you ask me.
00:29:344 (2,3,4) - Don't you think the pattern is reversed? Since theres only one synth 00:29:344 - here, with two 00:29:538 - and 00:29:635 - here? Wouldn't it be http://puu.sh/xGzQn/d3c67f61aa.jpg in a more rhythm sense?
00:32:258 (1) - Ruins the emphasis on 00:32:452 - , which you were emphasizing on 00:29:344 - and 00:30:898 - , etc. It makes 00:32:550 (2,3) - awkward to play. I suggest you make it a 1/4 slider to keep up with the rhythm.
00:34:007 (1,2,3) - I really do recommend you keep following the wubs. No reason to switch to the drums all of a sudden in that split second.
00:39:836 - Again, I strongly urge you to follow the wubs, as you have been throughout this section. You ignore 00:39:836 - and 00:40:030 - , you should have no reason not to map this.
00:42:556 (1,1) - Similar issue in the intro.
00:41:585 (4,5) - Awkward choice of rhythm, most likely due to 00:41:779 - being ended on instead of being started on.
00:52:660 (1) - I suggest you just make it a circle note like 00:52:077 (2) - . They pretty much the same on where they're used. Or vice versa.
01:14:227 - You're missing a pretty big build up. I really do hope you consider mapping this part instead of placing a spinner. It could give that drop a whole better feeling.
01:39:583 (3) - I suggest you avoid ending sliders on the drum, usually because it's emphasized 01:39:389 - and 01:39:583 - , but specifically not 01:39:778 - .
01:43:372 (1,2,3) - Could use more of a "build up," feels "lackluster."
01:49:978 - Hmm, maybe a circle note here would make 01:50:076 (2) - less awkward to play?
01:52:796 - Theres a pretty big void here, I suggest you fill something in, but its up to you.
01:55:807 (1,1) - Unnecessary NCs. If you NC this, you might as well NC 01:56:585 (3) - and 01:56:876 - .
01:57:945 (1) - No hit-finish?

Some concerning choice of rhythm I don't completely agree with. Some of them which make some parts of the map entirely awkward to play. Example would be 00:32:258 (1,2,3) - , 00:34:007 (1,2,3) - , 00:39:642 (2,3) - , etc. I might have already listed them in the mod.

Kujinn's Insane:

00:13:994 (1,2) - I suggest you follow what you did with 00:07:776 (1,2,3,1) - , because they're rhythmically similar.
00:39:933 (2,3) - Slightly triggering overlap reeeeeeeeeeeeee
00:40:516 (4) - You could add a NC here.
00:55:186 (1) - Honestly, it really wouldn't change much if you removed this one note. Its just there for no specific reason. Maybe for "smoother gameplay," but its really up to you.
00:58:877 (3) - Ending the slider on 00:59:072 - makes the rhythm very awkward and i urge you to avoid doing this in this case. The triple could start 00:59:072 - instead of the slider ending there.
01:01:403 (1) - Similar situation to 00:55:186 (1) - .
01:05:775 - Missing this drum is a pretty big problem.
01:47:161 - You missed a pretty important note here. Maybe just move 01:47:064 (3) - here instead and make 01:46:870 (2) - extend to 01:47:064 - ? That way you can hit 01:47:161 - without feeling like you missed something.
01:49:784 (2,3) - DS looks pretty similar to 01:49:395 (1) - , so that might cause some reading issues.

Solid map, poked on a few small bits.

Celektus' Hyper:

00:10:108 (1,2,3) - Pretty small DS for a hyper.
00:20:989 (1,2) - There really should be no reason for you to break consistency. Why map this now when you didn't for 00:16:326 - , 00:17:103 - , 00:17:880 - , etc?
00:27:206 - Didn't extend?
00:49:357 (2,3,4,5) - Sudden stream. Compared to the rest of this section, this doesn't happen at all, even when the song calls for it. Example would be 00:43:139 - , where there are no streams.
01:01:403 (1) - Why shift the pattern? 00:55:186 (1,2,3) - is pretty similar but is entirely different compared to 01:01:403 (1) - .
01:46:870 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Slightly more tricky pattern, I don't recommend in a hyper, especially due to the low ar.

Honestly, a lot of stuff in here are questionable, maybe because it's a hyper and it sits between a Hard and an insane. Most issues you want to avoid are inconsistency issues like 00:49:357 (2,3,4,5,6) - , 01:01:403 (1) - , etc.

KKip's Hard:

00:10:108 - Theres no reason that this part should be any different than 00:03:890 - . Only change is the pitch, which isn't a good enough justification for this change in pattern.
00:32:452 (2,3,4,5,6) - A bit too over-the-top for a Hard, don't you think?
00:52:077 (1,2,3,4) - Not very clean, think you can arrange it so it looks a bit better?
01:50:270 (3) - Avoid 1/8s in Hards. In this case, it wouldn't be very ideal.

Some stuff looks concerning, but I let them slide.

This is as far as I'll go, good luck.

Last edited by Ongaku 2017-09-24T04:25:31+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-23T05:05:34+00:00

OsuDans wrote:
Hi Hi! from my mod queue
My mod will not be very useful, since this map is excellent to my opinion
Shani's Advanced
00:06:222 (2,3) - I do not think it's very useful, but a blanket would not be bad lol I'll just keep it as it is, I prefer it like that for now atleast owo
00:24:972 (3) - stack it with00:23:709 (3) - ?) Ok changed that

Also I think I fixed all the tag problem or whatever I just didnt update the rest of the set so had bunch of problem with that but fixed that owo

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-26T01:43:54+00:00

i'll apply -ali's mod soon tm

Ongaku wrote:
from queue \o

First of all, please lower your hitsound volume. It gets in the way of the song, and that's pretty bad. ok

Special:

00:05:250 (1,1) - Pretty unnecessary NCs if you ask me. setup for stuff i did with 1/2 and 1/4 stacks at 00:41:876 (5,1,2,3,1) -
00:29:344 (2,3,4) - Don't you think the pattern is reversed? Since theres only one synth 00:29:344 - here, with two 00:29:538 - and 00:29:635 - here? Wouldn't it be http://puu.sh/xGzQn/d3c67f61aa.jpg in a more rhythm sense? well there is the 1/2 synth and 1/4, your suggestion is kind of bad for mapping the kick on the blue tick so instead of mapping the 1/2 synth with a 1/4 slider, i'll map the 1/4 synth with a 1/4 slider and have the kick actively clicked unless im misunderstanding your point.
00:32:258 (1) - Ruins the emphasis on 00:32:452 - , which you were emphasizing on 00:29:344 - and 00:30:898 - , etc. It makes 00:32:550 (2,3) - awkward to play. I suggest you make it a 1/4 slider to keep up with the rhythm. ok
00:34:007 (1,2,3) - I really do recommend you keep following the wubs. No reason to switch to the drums all of a sudden in that split second. i really cant think of a way to do this without completely ignoring either the melody or drum, will fix when i figure out a good compromise
00:39:836 - Again, I strongly urge you to follow the wubs, as you have been throughout this section. You ignore 00:39:836 - and 00:40:030 - , you should have no reason not to map this.same as above
00:42:556 (1,1) - Similar issue in the intro. in this part, i did this to make the combo colouring and follow points on the circle under the stack more familiar, as just a 1/2 to 1/2 then overlap under the 1/2 is confusing so i wanted a way for it be be both easier to understand and to have been hinted at in the intro. The reason for the stack use itself is because like the melody, the instrument repeats the tone twice then changes so i wanted this to be represented in the same way.
00:41:585 (4,5) - Awkward choice of rhythm, most likely due to 00:41:779 - being ended on instead of being started on. i dont see why this is awkward, similar 1/4 rhythms after sliders are used like this throughout.
00:52:660 (1) - I suggest you just make it a circle note like 00:52:077 (2) - . They pretty much the same on where they're used. Or vice versa. ok
01:14:227 - You're missing a pretty big build up. I really do hope you consider mapping this part instead of placing a spinner. It could give that drop a whole better feeling.im happy with the spinner now, but maybe
01:39:583 (3) - I suggest you avoid ending sliders on the drum, usually because it's emphasized 01:39:389 - and 01:39:583 - , but specifically not 01:39:778 - . ok
01:43:372 (1,2,3) - Could use more of a "build up," feels "lackluster." i agree
01:49:978 - Hmm, maybe a circle note here would make 01:50:076 (2) - less awkward to play? yeah
01:52:796 - Theres a pretty big void here, I suggest you fill something in, but its up to you. the void here fits the gap in the music imo
01:55:807 (1,1) - Unnecessary NCs. If you NC this, you might as well NC 01:56:585 (3) - and 01:56:876 - . removed nc, even tho i love to add nc pretty sure that one was a mistake lol
01:57:945 (1) - No hit-finish? both hitfinishes in the map dont really suit here for the intenstiy of the music

Some concerning choice of rhythm I don't completely agree with. Some of them which make some parts of the map entirely awkward to play. Example would be 00:32:258 (1,2,3) - , 00:34:007 (1,2,3) - , 00:39:642 (2,3) - , etc. I might have already listed them in the mod.totally agree i'll be changing all these soon
This is as far as I'll go, good luck. thanks great mod

Asuka_-

1,459 posts

Joined February 2016

Asuka_- 2017-09-27T12:07:02+00:00

from my q (nm)
im not good english. sorry.

fun map (top)
00:21:183 (2,3,1) - move 00:21:377 (3) - to 91:312?
Due to the placement of 00:21:183 (2,3) - , I think that the some players will mistake 00:21:377 (3,1) - for 1/2gap.

00:46:928 (1,2,3) - I can not agree with this rhythm. xd
for now, 00:47:122 - which has smaller sound than 00:47:025 - is emphasized and the tail of the reverse slider is mapped at 00: 47: 316 - which have no sound, so there dont match the music.
I think that it is better to start a reverse slider from 00:47:025 - , and 00:47:316 - to be break like 00:45:956 - .
01:27:343 (1,2,3) - ^ 01:39:778 (1,2,3) - ^
https://i.gyazo.com/fe82967ad4e38c94f24 ... 790be0.png

01:32:491 (1,2,3) -
the distance between 01:32:491 (1) - and 01:32:783 (2,3) - is too close,so I think some people misunderstand that it is 1/4 gap.
(3) is stacked with 01:31:908 (4) - and (2) is placed on (3), I think it is good.
https://i.gyazo.com/6897f45ddfbdb936912 ... bbb148.png

[]
Because this is nm, I looked at top only.
good luck.

Pulse

257 posts

Joined April 2015

Pulse 2017-09-28T14:52:55+00:00

from my queue

[Shani's Advanced]

00:41:973 (2) - Stacking is a little bit off. You could fix it and then adjust 00:42:750 (1)

[KKip's Hard]

00:43:528 (4) - I think that this slider overlap could be confusing. Consider moving it to left for something like this
00:51:688 (5,1) - Avoid these contacts between sliders
00:55:283 (1) - Imo this slider, being 1/8, shouldn't be stacked, since newer players couldn't understand this pattern on time. Consider moving this pattern and the next one to right. Example.
01:47:744 (4) - This stack could be confusing too. Could you think on something smoother to read?
01:48:035 (6) - NC
01:50:270 (3,4) - Confusing I guess

[Kujinn's Insane]

00:02:142 (1) - You could rotate it twice, no need to have an overlap with the sliderart here
00:48:191 (1) - Isn't this spacing too much?
01:30:937 (1) - Consider moving this slider a little up and left. Current disposal looks bad considering previous cursor movement and angle between sliders. Breaking stacking on 01:29:771 (3) is almost unnoticeable

[Special]

00:32:452 (2,3,4) - Consider stacking on (2). Reading could be confusing here
01:57:653 (1) - Minor suggestion, but I think that a douple works better than a slider here

Good luck!

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-28T14:59:53+00:00

Pulse wrote:

from my queue

[Shani's Advanced]
00:41:973 (2) - Stacking is a little bit off. You could fix it and then adjust 00:42:750 (1) Fixed

Good luck!

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-30T17:20:33+00:00

thats a lot of mods

blueloniess wrote:
00:18:074 (2,3) - I think it's better if you Ctrl+G gives bad emphasis on the snare
00:27:401 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - quite hard to read and play whats bad about hard?
01:45:121 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - ^

C-Yuyuko wrote:
00:21:669 (1) - if it continues the previous slider, no need to NC if that were true then there are a lot of things i shouldnt NC but that isn't how i use my NC

Ali- wrote:
00:05:445 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - missed a good opportunity to have these blanket eachother!! they do blanket eachother lol
00:15:937 (4,5) - i feel as if this would be a lot less compact if you overlapped it with this 00:15:160 (3) - instead. just looks a lot better i wanted more compact to get more emphasis on 00:16:326 (1) -
00:18:074 (3) - i hate to be that guy but... blanket pls stack here is hard to read, and i want nearly no movement from the slider head so this is the best solution. also i dont see what adding the stach here adds since i use the half overlap consistently in this map
00:19:240 (4) - overlap with 00:18:269 (3) - instead? reduces emphasis on 00:19:434 (1) - , and doesnt line up well with the previous reverse
00:21:669 (1,2) - this sounds a bit unique and technical. you could do a ctrl+g on 00:21:669 (1) - to make it feel more emphasized and present i dont really see how thats better than what i have now, seems overly complex
00:22:057 (1) - couldnt this be done better by doing this? that way the player is clicking on the emphasized sound with the slider head, instead of it being a repeat arrow which usually represents very soft sounds ok
00:24:680 (1,2,3) - rhythm here is a lot more technical. the first beat which should be emphasized is 00:24:778 - not on the head of 00:24:875 (3) {which is being emphasized by being a long slider}. the second sound is on the red tick here 00:25:069 , which is correct, and the final lands on 00:25:263 - which is correct. it could be represented this way did something else since your suggestion kind of ignored the flute
00:28:761 (1) - lots of movement, very exciting! but... right into a full stop with no movement (00:29:149 (1) - )... it kills the flow. try making 00:29:149 (1) a slider the stop of movement on each snare that fits with the fast slider helps give contrast and emphasize the snare after these in a unique way. Note i ignored this concept here 00:32:258 (1) - to represent the wub that happens here unlike in all the other places
00:30:315 (1,1) - refer to above, ill stop mentioning it but you get the jist. you too
00:31:481 (2) - this slow slider has a VERY hard time representing this sound. definitely consider changing that. slow sv, from a reverse flow after a large jump represents it very well, and it shouldnt be the same speed as the other sliders at it is a lot thicker wub
00:31:870 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this has the movement im looking for! keep this up, it wont be nearly as janky if you did this more often. this isnt janmky like the others because its representing something different in the music
00:34:104 (2,3) - both sliders land on that deep bass hit sound but 00:34:493 - is represented with a sliderend. its inconsistent and rather jarring (00:34:687 - here too, but this could be represented using a cool pattern rather than just a slider. its up to you how you want to do that, of course) i already plan on changing this
00:40:225 (4,5,1) - this would be a lot more hype if it had substantially less spacing than the following circles, like its building up then releasing. example a sudden slow down from the previous slider would be weird and i think the change in direction is enough to represent it.
00:41:973 (1,2,3,1) - such a detrimental blow to the movement created literally an instant before. its a huge turn off because these parts where you're undermapping have so much potential to be cool as hell want to follow the melody like i did in the intro at 00:10:885 (1,2,3,1) - since its the exact same melody, while adapting it to fit the drums. I dont want to ignore something i already established.
00:43:528 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - something like this is somewhat more acceptable, but you still severely undermap the sound on 00:43:916 (3) - i'll map this one since its different melody
00:45:859 - ALWAYS avoid mapping something as important as this on a slider end. its not really that improtant
00:46:248 (2) - (or undermap it) idk what you mean here, it isnt undermapped
01:00:237 (2) - a very slow slider and a high spaced snap to 01:00:626 (3) would represent this better imo 01:00:237 (2) - doesnt really justify a slider

i really like the kiais. i cant really find any glooming issues without being annoying by repeating myself and cherrypicking solely based on preference, so ill leave them be

01:52:699 (5) - the undermap aaa ok
01:55:419 (2,1) - definitely need to find a substitution for this, it has no purpose and is unappealing to the eye. an anti-flow slider could work.

unappealing to you
01:57:361 (5) - better mapped as a 1/2 slider imo ok

Asuka_- wrote:
00:21:183 (2,3,1) - move 00:21:377 (3) - to 91:312? moved it so its a half overlap
Due to the placement of 00:21:183 (2,3) - , I think that the some players will mistake 00:21:377 (3,1) - for 1/2gap. tell them to git gud

00:46:928 (1,2,3) - I can not agree with this rhythm. xd
for now, 00:47:122 - which has smaller sound than 00:47:025 - is emphasized and the tail of the reverse slider is mapped at 00: 47: 316 - which have no sound, so there dont match the music.
I think that it is better to start a reverse slider from 00:47:025 - , and 00:47:316 - to be break like 00:45:956 - .
01:27:343 (1,2,3) - ^ 01:39:778 (1,2,3) - ^
https://i.gyazo.com/fe82967ad4e38c94f24 ... 790be0.png your solution doesnt emphasis the blue tick kick properly which i did at 00:46:539 (2,3,1) - and i think my rhythm with the constant 1/4 is fine

01:32:491 (1,2,3) -
the distance between 01:32:491 (1) - and 01:32:783 (2,3) - is too close,so I think some people misunderstand that it is 1/4 gap.
(3) is stacked with 01:31:908 (4) - and (2) is placed on (3), I think it is good.
https://i.gyazo.com/6897f45ddfbdb936912 ... bbb148.png ok

Pulse wrote:
00:32:452 (2,3,4) - Consider stacking on (2). Reading could be confusing here ia lready chaged this part before i applied your mod
01:57:653 (1) - Minor suggestion, but I think that a douple works better than a slider here ok

thanks for all your mods

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-10-05T19:36:20+00:00

@Kujinn

enable stacking REEEEEEEEEEEEE

-

JierYagtama

716 posts

Joined November 2015

JierYagtama 2017-10-07T05:44:41+00:00

hmm aight
just wondering r ye Menda's fwend?

Kep hard

00:15:354 (2,3) - hmm maybe spaced this out a little bit from 00:14:771 (1) - ?
00:51:688 (5,1) - these aswell?
01:50:270 (3,4) - a bit too jarry to read in a hard diff here maybe just make 3 into a circle instead?

mmmmm solid diff

Insane

00:39:933 (2,3) - If i were you I would space these a out a bit more since 3 has that strong violin thingy sound

Not much to say aaaaaa but the diff kinda lacks that pizzaz on sv changes imo

Nazi mod special

00:06:416 (2) - Undermapped cos theres still a prominent sound that you can map here 00:06:513 -
00:14:771 (1,1,2,3) - since u want a nazi mod stacc pls thx
00:27:401 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - dood. boi this is kewl owo)b
00:32:258 (1) - welp kinda reached the hp bar sooo....

00:40:225 (1,2,3) - I get that its to emphasize stuff but imo its kinda too sharp maybe rotate it to 15 degrees?
00:42:556 (1) - uh wat remove NC
01:00:626 (3) - why not also make this a slider like what you did here? 00:53:631 (1,1) -

hmmm flow isnt that bad but the aesthetic sliders needs a little more work imo

gl~

Kujinn

1,382 posts

Joined December 2013

Kujinn 2017-10-07T18:24:05+00:00

Sorry I'm late ~ No Reply means applied!

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Kujinn's Insane]
00:55:186 (1,2,3,4) - The four note stream is a bit awkward here. Maybe you could use a different rhythm, like a repeating slider instead? That will feel more comfortable to play. Fucked up rhythm here, its supposed to be triple starting on blue tick
01:05:484 (1,2,1,2,3) - The spaced triplet and double is a bit much. The song isn't intense enough to justify them, and they are the only successive spaced 1/4 that appear in the map, so I would tone them down.
01:44:538 (1) - You should make this a 1/4 slider as well, because the rhythm doesn't change and it eliminates the gap between this and (2). This'll make it fit the music better, and be more fun to play.

blueloniess wrote:
kujinn's insane
00:09:136 (4,2,3,4) - stack turn on stacking pls
00:36:144 (3,4) - why use anti-flow, maybe Ctrl+G
01:39:098 (3,1) - Stack
Awesome too

C-Yuyuko wrote:
Kujinn's Insane
00:12:440 (3,1) - switch NC
00:36:921 (2) - make the end overlap with 1's end and blanket the next notes
00:38:476 (2) - start from previous 3's end
00:43:528 (5,1) - don't make an ugly overlap like this whats ugly about it?
00:49:745 (5) - start where previous 1 started
01:39:389 (1,3) - switch NC
01:50:756 (2) - could use NC here
01:51:727 (3,1) - disable NC, or move 3 closer to 1 to indicate continuous movement

Ongaku wrote:
Kujinn's Insane:

00:13:994 (1,2) - I suggest you follow what you did with 00:07:776 (1,2,3,1) - , because they're rhythmically similar.
00:39:933 (2,3) - Slightly triggering overlap reeeeeeeeeeeeee
00:40:516 (4) - You could add a NC here.
00:55:186 (1) - Honestly, it really wouldn't change much if you removed this one note. Its just there for no specific reason. Maybe for "smoother gameplay," but its really up to you.
00:58:877 (3) - Ending the slider on 00:59:072 - makes the rhythm very awkward and i urge you to avoid doing this in this case. The triple could start 00:59:072 - instead of the slider ending there.
01:01:403 (1) - Similar situation to 00:55:186 (1) - .
01:05:775 - Missing this drum is a pretty big problem.
01:47:161 - You missed a pretty important note here. Maybe just move 01:47:064 (3) - here instead and make 01:46:870 (2) - extend to 01:47:064 - ? That way you can hit 01:47:161 - without feeling like you missed something.
01:49:784 (2,3) - DS looks pretty similar to 01:49:395 (1) - , so that might cause some reading issues.

Solid map, poked on a few small bits.
Applied All, Thanks!! Was really helpful ~

[Kujinn's Insane]

00:02:142 (1) - You could rotate it twice, no need to have an overlap with the sliderart here
00:48:191 (1) - Isn't this spacing too much? Nope
01:30:937 (1) - Consider moving this slider a little up and left. Current disposal looks bad considering previous cursor movement and angle between sliders. Breaking stacking on 01:29:771 (3) is almost unnoticeable

JeirYagtama wrote:
Insane
00:39:933 (2,3) - If i were you I would space these a out a bit more since 3 has that strong violin thingy sound

Not much to say aaaaaa but the diff kinda lacks that pizzaz on sv changes imo

Celektus wrote:
@Kujinn

enable stacking REEEEEEEEEEEEE
-

Give this guy 1 Kudosu.

Thanks for mods!!

pandas

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-10-08T19:57:34+00:00

JeirYagtama wrote:
00:06:416 (2) - Undermapped cos theres still a prominent sound that you can map here 00:06:513 - thats not prominent,
its fine to undermap that
00:14:771 (1,1,2,3) - since u want a nazi mod stacc pls thx this is a false stack to make it seem like 00:14:771 (1) - is in the same stack, while not having to change the stack leniency
00:27:401 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - dood. boi this is kewl owo)b
00:32:258 (1) - welp kinda reached the hp bar sooo.... ok
00:40:225 (1,2,3) - I get that its to emphasize stuff but imo its kinda too sharp maybe rotate it to 15 degrees? ok
00:42:556 (1) - uh wat remove NC i already explained this before its so it can visually relate to stuff like 00:04:668 (1,2,3,1) - as it has the same melody and also makes the 1/4 and 1/2 stack usage somewhat easier to understand with no follow point also.
01:00:626 (3) - why not also make this a slider like what you did here? 00:53:631 (1,1) - 00:54:408 (2) - would be its best match, so removing the gap here would make it inconsistent

Capu

osu! Alumni

351 posts

Joined March 2013

Capu 2017-10-08T20:58:07+00:00

Shani's Advanced

00:06:416 (3) - Ends on the big white tick. Why not like this 00:12:634 (8,1) - ?

00:26:041 (2,3,4) - Make the space between the slider the same.

00:44:305 (5) - NC

00:50:522 (5) - ^

00:53:631 (5) - A bit more spacing.

00:55:186 (7) - NC

01:21:611 (1) - I'd nerf the combo length during the Kiai, since it feels kinda hard for people that play 2* maps.

Kujinn's Insane

00:38:087 (1,2) - More space between the 2

That was everything I found.
All in all nice set! I like it

I hope that was somewhat helpful. Good luck

Aeril

Beatmap Nominator

666 posts

Joined May 2014

Aeril 2017-10-08T21:01:25+00:00

normal

00:06:222 (4,5) - this double tap is unnecessary because the perceived hit of the note in the (accordion?) thing is at 00:06:611 -
00:11:662 (3,4) - i would probably unstack this because the sounds are going out and not really staccato, more smooth
00:27:206 (1) - remove the nc on this because its part of the grouping of 1/1 notes before it and nc 00:28:178 (2) - this because its alone
00:55:186 (2) - ds this because you ds it later on 01:01:403 (3) - here
01:21:611 (1,2,3,4) - i would probably change this to a rhythm more like this because it follows the melody better rather than just the drums
01:23:942 (2) - i would turn this into a 1/2 repeat so that it does land on all the drum beats but doesnt have the same clicking rhythm as before
01:26:274 (3,4) - having the pattern be a straight line like this makes the change in note on 4 stand out less, would probably move 4 to the left of 3
01:27:828 (1,2,3,4) - same as my last suggestion for this rhythm
01:30:160 (2) - this too as a 1/2 repeat
01:43:372 - i would probably map beats starting from here because they are very loud, if you do that i would also do the same nc thing as before with removing 01:44:927 (1) - this one and adding 01:45:898 (2) - one here
01:48:035 (1) - kind of mean to have a 3/4 rhythm with a clickable hit circle after here when you dont really use it that often, i would turn it horizontal and make it a repeat so you can still go upwards after
01:54:253 (1,2) - same here
01:55:807 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is fine because climax of the section

shani advanced

hi shani!
00:08:554 (5) - i would nc this because it doesnt follow the same intrument as before
00:53:631 (5) - nc because 00:54:408 (6,7,8,9,10) - this is definitely not in the same group as 00:52:660 (1,2,3,4) - these
01:24:331 (8) - maybe turn into hit circles because its the kiai, rhythm should be most intense here imo
01:30:548 (8) - i would turn this into two stacked hit circles to have the jump to 01:30:937 (1) - because its like this very high build up leading into that slider, and rhythm/spacing should be different from before
01:33:269 (7) - personally wouldm ake this a 3/4 repeat slider so that clicking kinda stops and then comes right back in 01:34:046 (1) - here and increases this emphasis
01:42:401 (2,3) - these are like the same intonation/pitch so they should probably lead into eachother and 01:42:984 (4) - this one be off movement beauyse of its diff intonation rather than the opposite like it is now
01:48:813 (4,5) - rhythm feels empty here, i think changing 4 to a 1/1 slider would fix that

kkip hard

00:31:481 (4) - i dont know about 1/8 sliders in hard, i think a triple hit circles would do just fin here
00:37:698 (4) - same here
00:38:767 (3) - i would probably turn this into a 1/4 slider
00:43:528 (4) - i dont know why this is a 1/4 slider would do just fine as a hit circle closer to 3 so that there isnt any hard to read stacks
00:55:283 (1) - same
01:46:870 (2,3) - this seems a bit much for a hard diff, would probably turn this into just cool sliders rather than 1/6 repeats
01:48:424 (7) - changing this to a 1/4 repeat would get the same effect across here
01:48:424 (7) - difficult overlap in a hard difficulty seems so ehhh, i would just change the 1/8 slider to a hit circle

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-10-09T00:22:33+00:00

Aeril wrote:
shani advanced

hi shani! Hi Aeril owo
00:08:554 (5) - i would nc this because it doesnt follow the same intrument as before Emm sure not sure I like the short combo it create but meh x)
00:53:631 (5) - nc because 00:54:408 (6,7,8,9,10) - this is definitely not in the same group as 00:52:660 (1,2,3,4) - these True, fixed
01:24:331 (8) - maybe turn into hit circles because its the kiai, rhythm should be most intense here imo Not sure I want to change any of those slider to circles. I feel the diff is already dense enough for an Advanced shouldnt really make it even more dense imo
01:30:548 (8) - i would turn this into two stacked hit circles to have the jump to 01:30:937 (1) - because its like this very high build up leading into that slider, and rhythm/spacing should be different from before I'll say same as before. Its true that it would create a nice effect but I feel it could be a bit confusing and hard for the diff
01:33:269 (7) - personally wouldm ake this a 3/4 repeat slider so that clicking kinda stops and then comes right back in 01:34:046 (1) - here and increases this emphasis But I like my rhythm there Q-Q Dont think I need to change that really
01:42:401 (2,3) - these are like the same intonation/pitch so they should probably lead into eachother and 01:42:984 (4) - this one be off movement beauyse of its diff intonation rather than the opposite like it is now I do understand what you mean but I cant really find a good way to not make this a complete mess and its not that bad as it is either so for now I'll keep it. If I find way to change it tho I'll try to fix.
01:48:813 (4,5) - rhythm feels empty here, i think changing 4 to a 1/1 slider would fix that changed

Capu wrote:
00:06:416 (3) - Ends on the big white tick. Why not like this 00:12:634 (8,1) - ? Fixed

00:26:041 (2,3,4) - Make the space between the slider the same. Emm sure whatever x)

00:44:305 (5) - NC ok

00:50:522 (5) - ^^

00:53:631 (5) - A bit more spacing. Mmmm nah it would be kinda not super justified and really awkward with most of the map distance snapped anyway.

00:55:186 (7) - NC ok

01:21:611 (1) - I'd nerf the combo length during the Kiai, since it feels kinda hard for people that play 2* maps. I dont think having those combo as they are makes much of a difference and they fit properly as they are too so I wont change that.

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445,270,97154,6,0,B|394:273|351:249|351:249|314:274|253:266,1,195,2|0,0:0|0:0,3:0:0:0:
173,250,97932,1,0,0:0:0:0:
97,211,98126,1,2,0:0:0:0:
67,132,98320,2,0,P|117:130|157:147,1,65,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
215,133,98709,2,0,P|210:102|154:54,1,97.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
182,18,99097,2,0,P|291:14|377:69,1,195,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
417,121,99875,1,8,0:0:0:0:
437,202,100069,1,0,0:0:0:0:
423,285,100263,6,0,P|370:254|356:178,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,132,100846,2,0,L|250:190,1,65
206,252,101235,1,2,0:0:0:0:
166,326,101429,2,0,P|130:293|122:253,1,65,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
41,261,101818,6,0,P|81:207|141:199,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,193,102401,2,0,P|212:154|183:123,1,65
259,75,102790,1,2,0:0:0:0:
216,1,102984,2,0,P|187:30|176:62,1,65,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
92,61,103372,6,0,L|42:135,1,65,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
137,139,103761,2,0,L|87:213,1,65,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
182,218,104149,2,0,L|132:292,1,65,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
225,300,104538,2,0,L|175:374,1,65,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,382,104926,2,0,B|322:296|322:296|278:228|298:124|373:94|447:101,1,390,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
480,259,106481,6,0,B|383:207|383:207|375:184|375:184|355:186|355:186|346:164|346:164|327:168|327:168|296:138,1,227.5,6|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
277,138,107258,2,0,B|213:153|213:153|192:148|192:148|183:165|183:165|159:162|159:162|119:178|119:178|96:170|96:170|41:191,1,227.5,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
33,203,108035,2,0,P|7:232|1:294,2,97.5,2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
83,271,108813,2,0,L|234:300,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,313,109395,1,2,0:0:0:0:
237,179,109784,2,0,P|305:154|350:154,1,97.5,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
446,201,110367,2,0,P|358:159|354:35,1,227.5,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
315,17,111144,6,0,P|380:16|402:40,2,97.5,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,78,111921,2,0,P|205:108|159:84,1,97.5,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
103,47,112407,2,0,P|66:83|13:81,1,97.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
137,208,113087,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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276,282,114253,2,0,P|327:307|380:312,2,97.5,2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
223,215,115030,1,8,0:0:0:0:
298,177,115225,1,8,0:0:0:0:
374,141,115419,1,0,0:0:0:0:
232,49,115807,5,2,0:0:0:0:
113,93,116099,2,0,L|42:151,1,65,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
42,170,116390,1,8,0:0:0:0:
119,204,116585,5,2,0:0:0:0:
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194,290,117168,1,8,0:0:0:0:
271,323,117362,6,0,P|329:312|391:335,1,97.5,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
404,337,117750,1,8,0:0:0:0:
468,281,117945,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,192,118139,12,0,121248,0:0:0:0:

Kujinn

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Joined December 2013

Kujinn 2017-10-09T21:05:18+00:00

Capu wrote:
Kujinn's Insane
00:38:087 (1,2) - More space between the 2 I don't really wanna fck up the blanket I already have.

That was everything I found.
All in all nice set! I like it

I hope that was somewhat helpful. Good luck

Thanks! No change

Jemzuu

Beatmap Nominator

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Joined February 2016

Jemzuu 2017-10-11T07:47:07+00:00

hi nice map here i mostly put my suggestions so

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General

shouldn't be widescreen support be disabled since there's no sb nor video anyway?
i wish you've chosen a better bg but ok

Special

00:27:012 (2) - i would ctrl g this sldier to give more emphasis 00:27:206 (3) - on this cuz it's pretty strong sound also to avoid repititveness somehow i guess? gives better movement as well imo
00:27:596 (3,7) - why not NC these two, for better emphasis on sounds tho looks cool to me xdd
00:39:059 (4) - kinda high imo adjust ds perhaps
00:40:807 (7) - I'd NC this cus it has a different sound kina like what u did on 00:39:836 (1) - to give emphasis somehow
01:05:872 (3) - why not NC this as well cuz sound or just last note?
01:20:445 (1) - hmm maybe change sv to 1.25
01:24:331 (2,3) - i feel like the blue ticks could be emphasized too cus there are violin sounds present, maybe change them to sliders? just my suggeston tho
01:39:972 (3) - repeat seems like inconsistent imo i'd add note 01:40:166 - here instead
01:45:316 (3,7) - same as above?
01:56:099 (2) - shouldn't this slider have a higher sv? cus the the sound is very heavy and strong ;w; change it to 1.5x
01:56:973 (1,2,3,4,5) - im not sure about this structure make it look like this?

wow i l0ve this diff~

GL~!

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