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Camellia - Towards The Horizon

posted 2017-07-06T12:00:28+00:00

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coke bottle

Joined May 2017

coke bottle 2017-07-19T11:21:56+00:00

hihi from my q

also me is chinese so english might not be that gud (i got my friend to translate for me lol)

First of all, remove the red timing point at 00:00:781 - . The downbeat does not start here, and therefore there should not be any timing points here. This also goes for all other difficulties. Place timing points on 00:02:336 - instead, where the downbeat starts.

Hyper

SPOILER

fweel liek adding a circle mwight be noicer 00:04:085 -
00:06:999 (1) - change to 1/4 or 1/2 slider. 3/4 gaps in maps are not really recommended in a map. (It's just filler to handle this irregular rhythm, will be mucho better to play)
00:13:217 (1) - ^
00:16:714 (2) - ^
00:18:268 (2) - ^
00:19:920 (2) - ^
00:20:600 (5) - ^
00:22:931 (2) - ^
00:50:522 (1) - ^
00:07:388 (3) - long slider maybe??
00:10:497 (3) - change to 1/4 slider with 1 repeat would make it sync better
00:04:279 (2) - ^
01:00:626 (4) -
00:05:833 (6) - make it a kickslider (you know the 1/4 slider) with 1 repeat would sync better
00:05:445 (5) - ^
00:11:663 (6,7) - ^
00:28:761 - starting from here, don't use kiai just for fountains. It IS a drop so i'd recommend you to use the full kiai time from 00:28:761 - to 00:40:807 -
But if u really want the fountains, just keep the extra kiai you have there, and just just remove all kiai stoppers.
00:30:218 - add another circle here cuz got sound here
00:33:327 - add circle here?
00:36:436 - ^
00:50:037 - add a 1/4 slider here maybe??
01:20:833 (4) - remove the repeat and add a 1/4 slider on 01:21:222 - with 2 repeats
01:21:902 - add circle here?
01:22:388 - add 1/4 slider?
01:22:776 (7) - change to 1/4 slider with 2 repeats?
01:27:828 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this part do the same for ^ and ^^ and ^^^
01:29:674 - add circle?
for these 2 01:31:714 (5,6) - how about changing to 1/4 sliders with 1 repeat
add 1/4 slider? 01:33:851 -
for the rest of this drop just adjust to the above mentioned
for the next part with the fountain thing just do what i said earlier
01:50:853 - 1/4 slider maybe?
01:51:533 - ^
i'm too lazy to point out the irregular rhythm in the rest of this drop, just dyi lol.

Special

SPOILER

00:06:999 (1) - change to 1/4 or 1/2 slider to filter out irregular rhythms (:v)
00:07:776 (1) - ^
........ just go find yourself this is taking too long it can be applied to rest of maps too okeu? (please i swear i'm not lazy the hyper totally did not take me 1 hour to mod

)
00:18:560 (2) - not necssary. can be deleted
ehh...
im noob mod i can't find anything else
i means its an insane map so the music sync overall is gud.
but can you also like mske someof the slidershapes more understand-de-ble?
like for 00:28:761 (1) - i feel like you could make the sliderhead a little bit off to the left maybe?
well then time to map the drop don't you think?

sorry if mod sucks imo
hope that you find at least 1 thing helpful xD

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-07-19T17:09:45+00:00

Reynolduh wrote:
hihi from my q

also me is chinese so english might not be that gud (i got my friend to translate for me lol)

First of all, remove the red timing point at 00:00:781 - . The downbeat does not start here, and therefore there should not be any timing points here. This also goes for all other difficulties. Place timing points on 00:02:336 - instead, where the downbeat starts.

Hyper

SPOILER
fweel liek adding a circle mwight be noicer 00:04:085 -
i wanna keep the rhythm density lower
00:06:999 (1) - change to 1/4 or 1/2 slider. 3/4 gaps in maps are not really recommended in a map. (It's just filler to handle this irregular rhythm, will be mucho better to play)
00:13:217 (1) - ^
00:16:714 (2) - ^
00:18:268 (2) - ^
00:19:920 (2) - ^
00:20:600 (5) - ^
00:22:931 (2) - ^
00:50:522 (1) - ^
The map has double so mapping 3/4 or 2/4 gaps is important in my opinion to establish the blue tick emphasis.

00:07:388 (3) - long slider maybe??
No I want less dense rhythm and it ends on a strong sound. You would need more reasoning to convince me.

00:10:497 (3) - change to 1/4 slider with 1 repeat would make it sync better
00:04:279 (2) - ^
01:00:626 (4) -
00:05:833 (6) - make it a kickslider (you know the 1/4 slider) with 1 repeat would sync better
00:05:445 (5) - ^
00:11:663 (6,7) - ^
no ends on clap and is supposed to represent the whole string pattern... I did this every slider it would be inconsistent to change and create too many 1/4th sliders

00:28:761 - starting from here, don't use kiai just for fountains. It IS a drop so i'd recommend you to use the full kiai time from 00:28:761 - to 00:40:807 -
But if u really want the fountains, just keep the extra kiai you have there, and just just remove all kiai stoppers.
Those are called kiai flashes and the are used to emphasize certain section without overusing kiai time. There are lots of ranked maps from proficient mappers which use this and the host does so too.

00:30:218 - add another circle here cuz got sound here
No host told me to undermap quads and triples are used in hards often to under map constant 1/4
00:33:327 - add circle here?
first of how? the pattern can't use a 1/4 jump into 1 and also I think it's not really appropriate here.
00:36:436 - ^this section also isn't supposed to be as dense as later section
00:50:037 - add a 1/4 slider here maybe??
No I think the release after the repeat expresses the single held string sound quite well.
01:20:833 (4) - remove the repeat and add a 1/4 slider on 01:21:222 - with 2 repeats
I don't think I entirely get your rhythm idea. but 2 1/4 slider would be too dense for this VERY calm moment of tension building in my opinion . I would even say anything more than this is already too much
01:21:902 - add circle here?
that's not undermapped enough imo
01:22:388 - add 1/4 slider?
I onyl add them on drum in this section so no.
01:22:776 (7) - change to 1/4 slider with 2 repeats?
I don't think I'll implement that. would need more reasoning.
01:27:828 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this part do the same for ^ and ^^ and ^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just memed you :3
01:29:674 - add circle?
for these 2 01:31:714 (5,6) - how about changing to 1/4 sliders with 1 repeat
add 1/4 slider? 01:33:851 -
for the rest of this drop just adjust to the above mentioned
for the next part with the fountain thing just do what i said earlier
01:50:853 - 1/4 slider maybe?
01:51:533 - ^
not sure how I would be able to implement those. also seems too dense
i'm too lazy to point out the irregular rhythm in the rest of this drop, just dyi lol.
most of the are intentionally undermapped (like all the 1/6)

If I didn't reply to anything It was mentioned in a similar section before.

sorry if mod sucks imo
hope that you find at least 1 thing helpful xD

It didn't really help me sadly, maybe I had taken some of your suggestion, if you would've explained why you think they are better. Still thx for the effort~

- AzRaeL -

363 posts

Joined April 2017

- AzRaeL - 2017-07-20T12:06:45+00:00

NM from here.

Red: Unrankable.
Blue: Important.
Black: Advice.

Celektus' Hyper

*Overall, all objects are too crowded.
*Some tortuous short sliders are not smoothing, suggestions to modify.
00:28:761 (1) - x155 y:341.
00:34:590 (4,1) - bad overlap and too close.
00:38:087 (1) - Reverse it imo.
00:38:476 (2,3) - Far. It's easy to read incorrectly for Hard level player.
00:45:859 (1,4) - bad overlap.
00:50:134 - Missing note?
00:52:076 (1,4) - bad overlap.
00:56:740 (1,4) - ^
01:02:958 (1,4) - ^
01:04:512 (1,3,4,5) - It hard to read. plz move '1' away.
01:22:388 (5) - Missing note?
01:23:845 (4) - Set a note on 01:23:845 and slider start at 01:23:942.
01:28:605 (5) - Missing note?
01:30:063 (4) - The same problem.
01:32:103 (6,1) - Fix DS.
01:34:823 (1) - Same.
01:36:280 (4) - Same.
01:37:932 (5,6) - bad flow.
01:54:642and01:54:739 - Misssssssssssing note.

Special

00:13:120 (2,1) - Far, easy to judge wrongly, becuz the melody is soft here.
00:20:017 (3,4) - bad overlap, make it good-looking.
00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - Fearful. Remap it plz.
00:29:149 (1) - x:416 y:373?
00:38:476 (1,3) - bad overlap.
00:53:631 (1) - Stack on 00:53:145 (1).
01:26:565 (2,3) - Wrong.

01:39:000 (2,3) - ^
01:39:389 (2,3) - Make them blanket.
01:45:121 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - Same.
01:46:481~01:57:362 - Unfinished?

-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-07-20T15:49:56+00:00

- AzRaeL - wrote:
NM from here.

Red: Unrankable.
Blue: Important.
Black: Advice.

Special
00:13:120 (2,1) - Far, easy to judge wrongly, becuz the melody is soft here. ** this blue tick double rhythm is used a lot in the intro so players should be used to it by here.
00:20:017 (3,4) - bad overlap, make it good-looking. **subjective, i think it looks good
00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - Fearful. Remap it plz. ** no lol give reason
00:29:149 (1) - x:416 y:373? ** all of the fast sliders use this close blanket on the 1/4, changing this would ruin the structure
00:38:476 (1,3) - bad overlap. ** subjective, i think it looks good
00:53:631 (1) - Stack on 00:53:145 (1). ** i dont use this perfect 1/2 stack in the map, the overlap looks good imo and i dont see a reason to stack it
01:26:565 (2,3) - Wrong. ** i was avoiding using 1/6 bursts throughout this map as it makes it feels lot more intense speed then the song really is even though the drum follows 1/4 rhythm throughout so i mapped it like this.

01:39:000 (2,3) - ^
01:39:389 (2,3) - Make them blanket. ** it blankets 01:39:000 (2) - and the slider before it
01:45:121 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - Same. ** if you think this is unrankable give me a reason
01:46:481~01:57:362 - Unfinished? ** yes haha

thanks for mod

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-07-20T18:39:20+00:00

- AzRaeL - wrote:
NM from here.

Red: Unrankable.
Blue: Important.
Black: Advice.

Celektus' Hyper
*Overall, all objects are too crowded.
yea I'll maybe work on that can't really say more than that.
*Some tortuous short sliders are not smoothing, suggestions to modify.
I'll look through the map
00:28:761 (1) - x155 y:341.
no. If you take 00:30:315 (1,2) - ctrl + H it and tilt it by 30° you'll see that it's the same as 00:28:761 (1,2) - . I might move 00:28:178 (1) - but the overlap is making up a perfect triangle so it at least has some logic behind the overlapping
00:34:590 (4,1) - bad overlap and too close.
kinda fixed it
00:38:087 (1) - Reverse it imo.
nah there is nothing justifying that
00:38:476 (2,3) - Far. It's easy to read incorrectly for Hard level player.
moved
00:45:859 (1,4) - bad overlap.
Not really it's overlapping half the slider body so it at least makes sense as a aesthetic choice.
00:50:134 - Missing note?
I've tried to implement it. might change it again
00:52:076 (1,4) - bad overlap.
again it has logic behind it and repeats through out the song. alternatives would be more helpful
00:56:740 (1,4) - ^
01:02:958 (1,4) - ^
It deliberately repeats to be consistent
01:04:512 (1,3,4,5) - It hard to read. plz move '1' away.
yea sure
01:22:388 (5) - Missing note?
not in my newest version so I fixed it apparently
01:23:845 (4) - Set a note on 01:23:845 and slider start at 01:23:942.
I don't think the sound on that white tick is important at all. that would just make the Kicks on both slider ends stand out less.
01:28:605 (5) - Missing note?
was fixed already
01:30:063 (4) - The same problem.
mhm
01:32:103 (6,1) - Fix DS.
kinda did it... also I don't use DS.
01:34:823 (1) - Same.
mhm
01:36:280 (4) - Same.
mhm
01:37:932 (5,6) - bad flow.
01:54:642and01:54:739 - Misssssssssssing note.
I don't think I wanna map those since 01:54:836 (2,3,4,5,6) - is already way too dense with 1/4 sliders

I fixed a few things so it was helpful. thx~

@-Jordan- use HS copier again

nearly forgot

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Blan_C

306 posts

Joined March 2016

Blan_C 2017-07-23T07:05:37+00:00

Hello, NM from my queue
Special

00:08:748 (2) - Fix DS - its a bit closer to 00:08:554 (1) -
00:09:525 (3) - ^
00:06:902 (3,1) - 00:13:120 (2,1) - I think people will misread this two notes- there is 1/4 gap between circles. I saw in previous mod you said that ppl will get used to it but i dont get the idea of spacing this with DS like that - 00:13:120 (2,1) - violin is quieter (tone is lower) than 00:13:508 (2,3) - where violin is loud and you stack notes + there are is same thing 01:39:097 (3) - spaced just like in intro but kiai have much higher intensity so its understandable.
00:29:149 (1,1,1) - maybe make these blankets with the same DS? For example 00:35:367 (1,1) - a bit diferent spacing of the circle from wub-wub slider

I am bad at modding wubs/technical maps so i cant say much, good luck!

-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-07-24T21:32:33+00:00

Blan_C wrote:
Hello, NM from my queue
Special
00:08:748 (2) - Fix DS - its a bit closer to 00:08:554 (1) - ok
00:09:525 (3) - ^ oops
00:06:902 (3,1) - 00:13:120 (2,1) - I think people will misread this two notes- there is 1/4 gap between circles. I saw in previous mod you said that ppl will get used to it but i dont get the idea of spacing this with DS like that - 00:13:120 (2,1) - violin is quieter (tone is lower) than 00:13:508 (2,3) - where violin is loud and you stack notes + there are is same thing 01:39:097 (3) - spaced just like in intro but kiai have much higher intensity so its understandable. i understand what you mean but i wanted to introduce every pattern i use like this in the intro, and this is me introducing this kind of 1/4 snap. i think it is also fine to do here because even though you say it is quieter than the violin after it with the normal stack, here i am emphasising the double kick drums in the music so i wanted to cause sudden movement to the next pattern, whereas the example you linked only has the violin in the music
00:29:149 (1,1,1) - maybe make these blankets with the same DS? For example 00:35:367 (1,1) - a bit diferent spacing of the circle from wub-wub slider i'll make them all the same
I am bad at modding wubs/technical maps so i cant say much, good luck! thanks!

play rainworld

373 posts

Joined May 2015

play rainworld 2017-07-26T04:08:55+00:00

q

Special

~ 00:29:538 (4) - ends on a louder note than it starts on, maybe do this instead? if you do that add a circle at 00:29:829
~ 00:30:898 (2,3,4,1) - maybe do something similar to above. should be enough examples by now
~ 00:39:253 (5,3) - personally don't like how these overlap
~ 00:41:585 (4,5,1) - maybe do what you did for 00:04:085 (2,3,4,5) instead? seems like it would work better
~ 01:26:565 (2,3) - swear i'm hearing 1/6 instead of 1/4
~ 01:39:000 (2,3) - ^

Hyper

~ 00:02:336 (1) - nc?
~ 00:06:416 (4) - think you should extend this to 00:06:805 (5)
~ 00:06:805 (5) - nc?

looks good! good luck!

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-07-26T19:46:04+00:00

SnivehNDraegonz wrote:
Hyper

~ 00:02:336 (1) - nc?
removed NC here 00:03:890 -
~ 00:06:416 (4) - think you should extend this to 00:06:805 (5)
yee
~ 00:06:805 (5) - nc?
yes every 2 measures since 00:03:890 -
looks good! good luck!

@-Jordan-

map from here 00:02:142 - to here 00:03:890 - you scrub I did it too fhegghit

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krin2002

1 post

Joined August 2015

krin2002 2017-08-11T16:26:05+00:00

OMG SO GOOD BEATMAP (NEED RANKED)

Meow Mix

56 posts

Joined July 2013

Meow Mix 2017-08-13T22:15:21+00:00

Overall Thoughts
I don't really have any. I suck at mapping and modding. I'm just modding this because -Jordan- promised me ~~his catgirl collection~~ to testplay a map in exchange for this. Alright, moving on to the difficulties!

KKip's Hard
As of August 13, 2017

Overall Thoughts

Note density should consist of mostly 1/2, occasional 1/4, or slower rhythms.

The note density of the map is far too high for any reasonable hard difficulty, even with short reversing sliders. On the wiki page for the ranking criteria, the hard difficulty guidelines states that, "Note density should consist of mostly 1/2, occasional 1/4, or slower rhythms." The note density is closer to that of a hyper or insane difficulty. To illustrate, change the AR to 8.5 - 8.8. Notice that the map suddenly becomes a lot easier to read.

Take a look at ranked Hard difficulties of similar songs.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/793619
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154745
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1257167

As such, I'm not able to completely mod this diff as I'm not sure whether to mod this as a hard difficulty or as insane difficulty.

Celektus' Hyper
As of August 19, 2017

Nitpicking

00:03:890 (2) - New combo?
00:13:508 (2,3,4) - These objects follow the violin / viola / whatevertheloudestinstrumentiscalled instrument. 00:14:285 (5,6,7) These objects look exactly the same, but don't follow he violin / viola / whatevertheloudestinstrumentiscalled instrument. That ain't right. Gotta add some unique flair to 00:14:285 (5,6,7) to tell the players that it's two different instruments. Ottherwise, players gon' be confuzzled.
00:17:006 (3,4) - This double looks like a spicy 1/2 double, right? Wrong! It's a spicy trap. Look at this: https://puu.sh/xeqHq.png. The big pink squiggles are strong sounds and the small pink squiggles are weak sounds. Notice that there's a small squiggle that's mapped to nothing. Players want to hit on that, making them think it's a 1/2 double. Do something like this instead: https://puu.sh/xeqUA.png. Do this for 00:19:822 (2,3,4) and 00:22:931 (2,3,4) too.
00:20:989 (1,2) - Seems undermapped, especially the second slider. 00:16:326 (1,2,3,4,5) -, 00:17:880 (1,2,3,4,5) and 00:19:434 (1,2,3,4,5) sound almost exactly the same as 00:20:989 (1,2) . Mind explaining your reasoning behind this?
00:29:149 (2,3) - The spacing between 00:28:761 (1,2,3,4) is pretty much identical, even though 00:29:149 (2) is mapped to a percussion sound and 00:29:344 (3,4) is mapped to the wubs. Gotta add some unique flair to tell the players that it's two different instruments. Same with: 00:30:315 (1,2) -, 00:31:870 (1,2) -, 00:34:978 (1,2) -, 00:36:532 (1,2)
00:31:092 (4,5,6) - The objects 00:31:092 (4,5) follow the wub electronic noises while 00:31:287 (6) follows a non-wub percussion noise. I think it should be mapped like this 00:29:538 (4,5) to have the two instruments be distinct.
00:32:647 (4,5,6,7) - The spacing of https://puu.sh/xeUSX.png implies that you're supposed to hit it like this: https://puu.sh/xeURF.png . Maybe do something like this 00:38:476 (2,3,4) ?
00:41:585 (4,5,6,1) and 00:45:470 (5,1,2,3,4) - Having dropoff flow for the violin/whatever instrument and having more linear flow for percussion is really cool!
00:59:460 (3,1) - Spacing implies https://puu.sh/xf84K.png
01:04:706 (2,3,4,5) - This part looks a little cluttered even with high AR, with 01:04:706 (2,3) on top of 01:05:289 (5).
01:20:445 (4) - Looks like a 1/4 slider, which will mess players up.

Kujinn's Insane
As of August 21, 2017

Overall Thoughts
I am not worthy.

Special
As of August 22, 2017

Overall Thoughts
(Coming soon)

Last edited by Meow Mix 2017-08-22T21:01:48+00:00, edited 17 times in total.

duveringscarlet

duveringscarlet 2017-08-18T00:56:02+00:00

Celektus' Hyper

Definitively a good diff overall, no big issue.

List some personal opinions below,
00:25:652 (1,1,1,1) - Better to extend the beat since your rhythm doesn't sound continuous.

00:55:769 - Even there is no beat here, but I would like to add a note for smooth play.

pattern

01:04:804 (2) - According to the distance, make it farther from 01:04:512 (1) and closer to 01:04:998 (3)

Just an example

01:47:938 (7) - New Combo here
01:51:047 (7) - ^
01:54:156 (7) - ^

Good Luck on your mapping :3

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-08-18T14:11:19+00:00

duveringscarlet wrote:
Celektus' Hyper

Definitively a good diff overall, no big issue.

List some personal opinions below,
00:25:652 (1,1,1,1) - Better to extend the beat since your rhythm doesn't sound continuous.
I think for a Hyper it's better to not use 1/4 gaps here and rather add more buffer for players... I'm a bit unsure I might change it (also thé sounds of rhythms don't mean much)

00:55:769 - Even there is no beat here, but I would like to add a note for smooth play.
I could add a slider maybe, but making something clicked which doesn't exist should only be done to simplify stuff like 3/4 gaps in my opinion. *edit: I didn't add a slider yet
pattern
01:04:804 (2) - According to the distance, make it farther from 01:04:512 (1) and closer to 01:04:998 (3)
yea also reminded me that I could simplify the 3/4 beat gap with a double on that hat on the red tick
Just an example
01:47:938 (7) - New Combo here
01:51:047 (7) - ^
01:54:156 (7) - ^
no I only use NCs on downbeats add NCs on those makes no sense with my NC structure

Good Luck on your mapping :3

thx~

*edit: I changed a few rhythms from 3/4 to 1/2 with more notes

don't forget to copy the HS

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Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-08-22T14:36:39+00:00

Meow-Mix wrote:

thx for taking the time btw I appreciate that

Celektus' Hyper
As of August 19, 2017

Nitpicking
00:03:890 (2) - New combo?
someone told me to remove it specifically
00:13:508 (2,3,4) - These objects follow the violin / viola / whatevertheloudestinstrumentiscalled instrument. 00:14:285 (5,6,7) These objects look exactly the same, but don't follow he violin / viola / whatevertheloudestinstrumentiscalled instrument. That ain't right. Gotta add some unique flair to 00:14:285 (5,6,7) to tell the players that it's two different instruments. Ottherwise, players gon' be confuzzled.
technically a good idea but they play the same sort of phrase twice which I think makes them more connected than disconnected or something, essentially I'm rather expressing the phrase than the instrument in this case
00:17:006 (3,4) - This double looks like a spicy 1/2 double, right? Wrong! It's a spicy trap. Look at this: https://puu.sh/xeqHq.png. The big pink squiggles are strong sounds and the small pink squiggles are weak sounds. Notice that there's a small squiggle that's mapped to nothing. Players want to hit on that, making them think it's a 1/2 double. Do something like this instead: https://puu.sh/xeqUA.png. Do this for 00:19:822 (2,3,4) and 00:22:931 (2,3,4) too.
Again technically correct, but I sort of tried to signal blue tick emphasis in later parts of the song, in the beginning the climax had a lot more quads, double and 3/4 beat gaps so I wanted to center my diff around that to be unique I won't change them yet, but since I adjusted a few rhythms lately I might do in the future if the map ever gets really simple rhythmically
00:20:989 (1,2) - Seems undermapped, especially the second slider. 00:16:326 (1,2,3,4,5) -, 00:17:880 (1,2,3,4,5) and 00:19:434 (1,2,3,4,5) sound almost exactly the same as 00:20:989 (1,2) . Mind explaining your reasoning behind this?
ok so the main reason was that it in fact sounds a bit different and those are ones where the flute lead whatever starts fading, like from 00:20:212 - to 00:22:349 - is no flute and the section sort of climaxes in itself. For short I wanted to express the lack of that flute and the climax of the section
00:29:149 (2,3) - The spacing between 00:28:761 (1,2,3,4) is pretty much identical, even though 00:29:149 (2) is mapped to a percussion sound and 00:29:344 (3,4) is mapped to the wubs. Gotta add some unique flair to tell the players that it's two different instruments. Same with: 00:30:315 (1,2) -, 00:31:870 (1,2) -, 00:34:978 (1,2) -, 00:36:532 (1,2)
I stacked 3 below 4 and moved 4 onto a Kick to further emphasize the Kick on and I moved all of the sections starts a bit to further emphasize them and the Snare after them... I also changed a lot more rhythms to doubles because you mentioned drums
00:31:092 (4,5,6) - The objects 00:31:092 (4,5) follow the wub electronic noises while 00:31:287 (6) follows a non-wub percussion noise. I think it should be mapped like this 00:29:538 (4,5) to have the two instruments be distinct.
I change like written above most rhythms to have stacks into Kick drums and mostly ignore the Bass layer now
00:32:647 (4,5,6,7) - The spacing of https://puu.sh/xeUSX.png implies that you're supposed to hit it like this: https://puu.sh/xeURF.png . Maybe do something like this 00:38:476 (2,3,4) ?
was also changed completely
00:41:585 (4,5,6,1) and 00:45:470 (5,1,2,3,4) - Having dropoff flow for the violin/whatever instrument and having more linear flow for percussion is really cool!
I haven't even looked up what drop off flow is lol
00:59:460 (3,1) - Spacing implies https://puu.sh/xf84K.png
I mirrored 01:00:237 (1,2,3,4) -
01:04:706 (2,3,4,5) - This part looks a little cluttered even with high AR, with 01:04:706 (2,3) on top of 01:05:289 (5).
I couldn't find a better solution, migth change in the future
01:20:445 (4) - Looks like a 1/4 slider, which will mess players up.
well I assume the SV change is obvious enough and it was hinted at with 00:28:178 (1) -

great mod thx~

this is actually getting really hard

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Est-

368 posts

Joined March 2016

Est- 2017-08-22T21:00:50+00:00

free mod from my free nm q

SPOILER

remap

LowAccuracySS

605 posts

Joined October 2015

LowAccuracySS 2017-08-22T21:05:10+00:00

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NeonLights

205 posts

Joined November 2014

NeonLights 2017-08-23T22:36:48+00:00

SICK, IS THIS A FREE NM?
yes it is

Send me to the horizon

[Menda's Nor-i mean-Advanced]
00:33:424 (6,7,8) - clean up this pattern, make it more symmetrical
01:13:061 (4) - idk if you are a fan of blankets but this could be much improved
01:14:616 (6) - minor aesthetic but you could make this a right angle with the reverse slider before it, imo looks better
01:16:947 (5,6) - not a fan of overlaps but this is ok, maybe you could rotate (6) 11 degrees and move it to 475,239?
01:22:388 (1,2) - you don't follow time-distance equality with this 1/2 jump
01:25:302 (6) - you decided not to map the snare at the end of this reverse slider, unlike every other place. I would recommend shortening the slider 1/2 a beat and mapping a circle for the last note, as the increased length might trick people up and to be consistent.
01:26:274 (7,8,9) - The 7 poses a readability problem as it overlaps the end of the slider. I would recommend you change ^ and figure out a new pattern
01:51:144 (9) - would recommend an NC here just to indicate there's a longer time gap here

[KKip's Hard]
00:29:344 (2,3) - I would suggest that you stack these to stay consistent with the spacing that you established earlier. Although in a hard time-distance equality doesn't matter *as* much, I think it would benefit if you just stacked those.
00:34:493 (7,1) - just a thought, but you use overlapping to indicate that the time gap is 1/4, maybe try avoiding an overlap here since the gap is 1/2
00:35:561 (2,3) - same thing as 00:29:344
00:45:082 (4,5) - This stack may pose a readability problem here since you consistently use stacks to represent a 1/4 gap between notes. It would be ok if you didn't switch between or introduced the concept early on, but you didn't.
00:52:854 (5,6) - I would be careful with this time gap and the 1/6 slider. It's not necessarily bad, but the rhythm is irregular and players may mistime it often
00:51:688 (5,1) - Just being nitpicky but maybe clean up this overlap here
00:58:100 (3,4,1,2) - Again, this overlap poses a readability problem. Recommend moving it out from under the slider.
01:12:284 (1) - I don't really see what you are mapping this spinner to. I would recommend moving the start of it further along the timeline to match the start of the intensifying drums.
01:30:548 (5,6) - see 00:45:082
01:36:766 (5,6) - ^
01:41:429 (3,1) - ^ (arguably this one is large enough where it might not be a problem but still good to take a look at it)
01:50:270 (3,4) - for better readability I would do something like this: https://i.imgur.com/gfPgaOP.png

[Celektus' Hyper]
00:28:178 (1,1) - After throwing a bunch of different spacings for each time gap, this spacing isn't clear and could pose a readability issue. I would either space it far away or do what you did with the other 1/1 gaps, like at 00:59:849
00:40:419 (5,6) - might have just been me but the DS for this 3/4 gap wasn't very clear
00:49:745 (6,7,8,1) - slight readability issue here with the fading slider completely overlapping 8 here
00:55:186 (1,2,3) - I would recommend you match the DS of the other stacks for this stack for consistency. It looks too similar to a 1/2 gap that you've established
00:59:849 (3,1) - You suddenly use this again after we got used to having 1/2 gaps not overlap like at the start of the song. While I understand that sound is quiet and you have hitsounded it that way, it poses a readability issue.
01:04:512 (1,2) - Ranking criteria- "Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing." this looks exactly like a 1/2 spacing
01:23:845 (4,5,6) - Placing the 6 so close to the 4 might pose a readability issue
01:30:063 (4,5,6) - ^
01:33:269 (4,5,6) - could we nudge the 5 a bit down and to the right so it makes a nice circle pls
01:36:280 (4,5,6) - you know what I'm going to say
01:40:263 (7) - NC to indicate drastic slider change
01:45:898 (1,1) - same thing as the first point at 00:28:178
01:50:367 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - can we use the same DS to help players identify these 3/4 gaps, also differenciate these from your 1/1 gaps

Most of the map was nice, but the DS changes during the last technical part are too varied and make it hard to read the rhythm accurately.

[Kujiin's Insane]
00:22:543 (3) - I'm going to disagree with the use of a sliderend to map that strong kick drum. That sound is definitely stronger than the lead flutey thingy.
00:25:458 - terrific pattern I like it
00:27:206 - you don't map a very important ding here
00:34:201 (4) - this reverse slider should really start 1/4 a beat back if you're going to use it here. Doesn't make sense to map the last 4 beats of the drum burst and not the first
01:01:403 (1,2,3) - not sure what you're mapping here, because it definitely isn't the drums. Those start 1/4 a beat later than what you have
01:50:076 (3) - why does this have larger DS from the previous note? Seems like the same intensity.
01:51:921 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - something about this stream doesn't feel perfectly circular. Maybe try redo-ing slider to stream?

[Special]
I wouldn't switch between 1/2 and 1/4 time gaps for your stacks so frequently. Makes it hard to predict what is coming next. This could be fixed with lower stack leniency or doing the stacks yourself so that 1/2 are completely overlapping and 1/4 are not, just a suggestion
00:41:876 (5,1,2,3,1) - I know you introduced this concept earlier, but this particular rhythm, combined with the 1/4 gap at 5,1, makes this very hard to read. You also use different spacing for the next instance of this rhythm. I mean, it's ok, but just take a look at it anyways.
01:36:572 (1,2,3) - spacing emphasis is wrong here, 1-2 should be larger than 2-3
01:55:419 (2) - I would put an NC here since this slider is longer in time but slower SV

Celektus

694 posts

Joined April 2014

Celektus 2017-08-26T17:49:31+00:00

NeonLights wrote:
SICK, IS THIS A FREE NM?
yes it is

fuc boxes xd

[Celektus' Hyper]
00:28:178 (1,1) - After throwing a bunch of different spacings for each time gap, this spacing isn't clear and could pose a readability issue. I would either space it far away or do what you did with the other 1/1 gaps, like at 00:59:849
I stacked them
00:40:419 (5,6) - might have just been me but the DS for this 3/4 gap wasn't very clear
the whole song up until this point was always very 3/4 focused so I decided to add a additional difficulty element by not simplifying them 3/4 gap and I think that's fine for now at this very special part of the song
00:49:745 (6,7,8,1) - slight readability issue here with the fading slider completely overlapping 8 here
fair enough made it easier
00:55:186 (1,2,3) - I would recommend you match the DS of the other stacks for this stack for consistency. It looks too similar to a 1/2 gap that you've established
I'm not 100% sure what you mean but I think I made it better
00:59:849 (3,1) - You suddenly use this again after we got used to having 1/2 gaps not overlap like at the start of the song. While I understand that sound is quiet and you have hitsounded it that way, it poses a readability issue.
@-Jordan- I agree that's really dumb sounding
01:04:512 (1,2) - Ranking criteria- "Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing." this looks exactly like a 1/2 spacing
I already changed that last update it's now not 1/1 anymore
01:23:845 (4,5,6) - Placing the 6 so close to the 4 might pose a readability issue
01:30:063 (4,5,6) - ^
I don't think that's a problem in a intense section like this, I'll keep it until someone give reasoning why it's unfair compared to everything else
01:33:269 (4,5,6) - could we nudge the 5 a bit down and to the right so it makes a nice circle pls
I think the last update made this more complicated to pull off so I won't for now
01:36:280 (4,5,6) - you know what I'm going to say
yea but again I think it's respectably hard
01:40:263 (7) - NC to indicate drastic slider change
in this case It makes sense I guess
01:45:898 (1,1) - same thing as the first point at 00:28:178
wait it's already NC'd?
01:50:367 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - can we use the same DS to help players identify these 3/4 gaps, also differenciate these from your 1/1 gaps
last update simplified them with 1/4

Most of the map was nice, but the DS changes during the last technical part are too varied and make it hard to read the rhythm accurately.
noob git gud at dis geam

thx was helpful~

it me ya boi

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KKipalt

129 posts

Joined August 2015

KKipalt 2017-09-07T23:57:45+00:00

mods

Meow-Mix wrote:
KKip's Hard
As of August 13, 2017

Overall Thoughts
Note density should consist of mostly 1/2, occasional 1/4, or slower rhythms.
The note density of the map is far too high for any reasonable hard difficulty, even with short reversing sliders. On the wiki page for the ranking criteria, the hard difficulty guidelines states that, "Note density should consist of mostly 1/2, occasional 1/4, or slower rhythms." The note density is closer to that of a hyper or insane difficulty. To illustrate, change the AR to 8.5 - 8.8. Notice that the map suddenly becomes a lot easier to read.
Ranking criteria is based around ~180bpm. The diff spread + song allows for this difficulty in this hadr diff.
Take a look at ranked Hard difficulties of similar songs.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/793619
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154745
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1257167

As such, I'm not able to completely mod this diff as I'm not sure whether to mod this as a hard difficulty or as insane difficulty.
If u want to mod it, jus look at is as something close to insane but still hard, if ur comparing it to ur typical hard

NeonLights wrote:
SICK, IS THIS A FREE NM?
yes it is

[KKip's Hard]
00:29:344 (2,3) - I would suggest that you stack these to stay consistent with the spacing that you established earlier. Although in a hard time-distance equality doesn't matter *as* much, I think it would benefit if you just stacked those. this is to show emphasis, will change if there are mor complaints here aftr this mod
00:34:493 (7,1) - just a thought, but you use overlapping to indicate that the time gap is 1/4, maybe try avoiding an overlap here since the gap is 1/2 added repeat
00:35:561 (2,3) - same thing as 00:29:344 same as 29:344
00:45:082 (4,5) - This stack may pose a readability problem here since you consistently use stacks to represent a 1/4 gap between notes. It would be ok if you didn't switch between or introduced the concept early on, but you didn't. I never map a double like this, a doubl always has a slider in this diff, changes still might happen
00:52:854 (5,6) - I would be careful with this time gap and the 1/6 slider. It's not necessarily bad, but the rhythm is irregular and players may mistime it often slider leniency + od should mak it fine, I might chang if I get mor complaints
00:51:688 (5,1) - Just being nitpicky but maybe clean up this overlap here done
00:58:100 (3,4,1,2) - Again, this overlap poses a readability problem. Recommend moving it out from under the slider. 3/4 on this bpm shud gtive the player enuff time to respond, ill still think about this tho
01:12:284 (1) - I don't really see what you are mapping this spinner to. I would recommend moving the start of it further along the timeline to match the start of the intensifying drums. mapped to the 2nd phrase of that part
01:30:548 (5,6) - see 00:45:082 see 45
01:36:766 (5,6) - ^ ^
01:41:429 (3,1) - ^ (arguably this one is large enough where it might not be a problem but still good to take a look at it) map based of density. as u mentiond, it is also cus its a large timeline gap
01:50:270 (3,4) - for better readability I would do something like this: https://i.imgur.com/gfPgaOP.png changed, might change back as I don't see a differenc myself but yea

gary00737

593 posts

Joined February 2015

gary00737 2017-09-13T13:36:38+00:00

M4M

Normal

00:06:805 - here why no note >< but 00:13:022 (1) - why here have a note , i think here is same rhythm

offscreen : 00:39:642 (1) - 00:41:973 (2) - 01:37:154 (1) -

Shani's Advanced

00:38:087 (1,3) - I think it can make better

01:34:046 (1) - i think it not overlap 01:33:851 (9) - will be better !

KKip's Hard

00:22:154 (6,1) - i think no jump will be better
00:22:543 (1,2) - why overlap

it look like 1/4
00:53:631 (1) - i think try this will be better , how do you think @@? https://i.imgur.com/fanwL2J.png
01:46:870 (2) - nc
01:47:452 (2) - nc too

um ,, i think this hard diff not a hard >_>" look like insane

Celektus' Hyper

01:05:872 (2,3,4) - try this -> https://i.imgur.com/cz093fG.png

sorry my mod not good, good luck for rank !!!! shoot a star

Hectic

511 posts

Joined August 2015

Hectic 2017-09-14T12:35:53+00:00

hi, nm from q

normal:

00:11:662 (3) - fix blanket
00:16:326 (1,2) - this rhythm is perfect for this section, but then you go for different object variations that don't represent this music that well. maybe you went for variety but i think you better stick to something that represnts music better
00:25:652 (1,2,3) - i'd make 2 circles instead of (1) or a slider instead of (2) and (3), cause sounds are the same, same objects would represent that
00:39:642 (1) - 01:37:154 (1) - offscreen
00:56:740 - 01:02:958 - make it clickable, it would feel much better cause its a beginning of new measure
01:21:999 (2,3,4) - 01:34:434 (2,3,4) - align?

advanced:

00:05:445 (5,1) - didn't get what nc on (1) currently represents, perhaps swap them
00:11:274 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - this feels very disorginized except for (5) and (8) being parallel
00:27:206 (5) - 01:44:927 (5) - nc?
00:27:206 (5,2) - 00:38:087 (1,3) - 01:36:377 (7,8,1) - these thing could look better
01:31:714 (2,3) - 01:35:211 (4,5) - 01:35:988 (6,7) - 01:38:126 (3,4) - 01:40:069 (8,1) - 01:41:235 (3,4) - 01:42:790 (3,4) - fix blanket
01:46:481 (1) - i got the idea, but i think it could be less random and more appealing to eyes
01:47:258 (2,3) - you went for some kind of blanket with those, something went wrong here

hard:

00:51:688 (5,1) - 01:03:735 (3,1) - 01:38:709 (1,2) - make them a bit further apart
i think this difficulty is way too difficult to read for this skill because of stacks, complicated rhythms, sliders with unpredictable amount of reverses and ds organization. not that kind of diff where you can challenge player with such stuff. perhaps make it more straight forward

hope i helped somehow! good luck

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-14T14:48:42+00:00

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
hi, nm from q

advanced:
00:05:445 (5,1) - didn't get what nc on (1) currently represents, perhaps swap them I went with Something that looked less silly to me but whatever lets just use the ''more logical'' nc here
00:11:274 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - this feels very disorginized except for (5) and (8) being parallel I changed this but since no real suggestion I don't really think I made it much more coherent to you, still think its better so meh now its fine and has more reasoning I guess
00:27:206 (5) - 01:44:927 (5) - nc? No? I dont want those slider to be new combo by themself I think its a bit dumb lol
00:27:206 (5,2) - 00:38:087 (1,3) - 01:36:377 (7,8,1) - these thing could look better Didnt change first one not necessary, kinda fixed both other one to have better visual spacing between sliders
01:31:714 (2,3) - 01:35:211 (4,5) - 01:35:988 (6,7) - 01:38:126 (3,4) - 01:40:069 (8,1) - 01:41:235 (3,4) - 01:42:790 (3,4) - fix blanket Emmm they weren't all wrong but I fixed some of those that were a pixel off x)
01:46:481 (1) - i got the idea, but i think it could be less random and more appealing to eyes Those arent random?
01:47:258 (2,3) - you went for some kind of blanket with those, something went wrong here ??? I think they work I could change them to Something a little different but it would look weirder imo I prefer those close overlapping blanket although might wanna fix them if they arent ok I guess

hope i helped somehow! good luck

for gary00737 answer emmm

00:38:087 (1,3) - I think it can make better Already fixed

01:34:046 (1) - i think it not overlap 01:33:851 (9) - will be better ! Dont think it need to be changed here

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-14T15:40:54+00:00

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
hi, nm from q

normal:
00:11:662 (3) - fix blanket ok
00:16:326 (1,2) - this rhythm is perfect for this section, but then you go for different object variations that don't represent this music that well. maybe you went for variety but i think you better stick to something that represnts music better made it more consistent
00:25:652 (1,2,3) - i'd make 2 circles instead of (1) or a slider instead of (2) and (3), cause sounds are the same, same objects would represent that i dont think this is an issue and 00:26:430 (2,3,1) - acts as a good build up
00:39:642 (1) - 01:37:154 (1) - offscreen fixed
00:56:740 - 01:02:958 - make it clickable, it would feel much better cause its a beginning of new measure not really i think the reverse is better here
01:21:999 (2,3,4) - 01:34:434 (2,3,4) - align? i prefer this positioning than having it parallel, it gives it more visual variety

hope i helped somehow! good luck Thanks

Peter

786 posts

Joined June 2016

Peter 2017-09-14T17:38:06+00:00

Hi there from my queue

Normal

00:17:880 (3) - make this more sharp so will look better http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087945
00:27:206 (1) - move it like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087956 after that move these 00:28:178 (2,1,2,3) to http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087964
00:59:849 (1) - make it more sharp because blanket isnt visible enought

Advanced

00:21:377 (2) - Would do that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088022
00:31:481 (3,4,1) - hmm you should do that https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088035
00:39:642 (1) - change to that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088038
01:48:035 (3,4) - maybe to something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088046

Hard

00:34:978 (1) - this slider looks weird for me change to this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088060
00:38:087 (1,2,3) - to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088066

Hyper

00:10:108 (1,2,3) - Umm doesnt seems to be good idea
01:00:237 (1) - place this one a little bit higher

-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-15T19:45:50+00:00

PeterEU wrote:
Hi there from my queue hi

Normal

00:17:880 (3) - make this more sharp so will look better http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087945 i like the symmetry with the one before it and don't see a reason to change
00:27:206 (1) - move it like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087956 after that move these 00:28:178 (2,1,2,3) to http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9087964 whats wrong with how it is now?
00:59:849 (1) - make it more sharp because blanket isnt visible enought ok

CPLs

351 posts

Joined April 2012

CPLs 2017-09-16T07:58:07+00:00

can I even mod this
(from m4m)

w.e

[k insane]
during the wubwub part you can use some slow/fast slider to emphasize like in hardest diff (pretty sure it's allowed on insanes)

00:02:142 (1) extend by 1/8, if you slow the playback rate there's actually a sound
01:24:331 (1,2) lower this a bit for better reading

[hardest diff]
- 00:27:401 (1,2,3) I don't think the red color is emphasizing anything
that only makes this hard to see the rest on default skin, change the color or just use the same color throughout the map, (keep the red only on fast slider).
another suggestion is just make the spacing further on this 00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) , same with 01:45:121 (1,2,3)

-no wobbly slider on this part 00:33:424 (2) ? the prev and next pattern are like this, and there's wub too

-I don't recommend stacking this 00:42:362 (3) with 2 ,ctrl+g with next 1 (switch hitsound too)?

- 00:46:054 (1) I understand this is a hardest diff but this flow doesn't feel good, ctrl+g 1?

[hyper]

00:02:336 (1) this whistle doesn't fit tbh, just use soft sounds

change this 00:21:766 (2) to be like 00:20:114 (3,4,5) , starting on hte blue tick before (more consistent patterns, don't change it when the music doesn't even change)

nitpicking here, this slider 01:57:945 (3) doesn't sound matching, how about spinner?

ok bye

edit : le map (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/664568)

-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-16T21:34:17+00:00

CPLs wrote:
can I even mod this
(from m4m)

[hardest diff]
- 00:27:401 (1,2,3) I don't think the red color is emphasizing anything
that only makes this hard to see the rest on default skin, change the color or just use the same color throughout the map, (keep the red only on fast slider).
another suggestion is just make the spacing further on this 00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) , same with 01:45:121 (1,2,3) the spacing is how it is now so a player can either aim at the middle of the pattern, or follow it. i dont think the colours are an issue as this is a unique part of the map

-no wobbly slider on this part 00:33:424 (2) ? the prev and next pattern are like this, and there's wub too it's not a sustained wub like the others, and i always handle the sound like this

-I don't recommend stacking this 00:42:362 (3) with 2 ,ctrl+g with next 1 (switch hitsound too)? introduced at 00:04:668 (1,2,3,1) - , whats wrong with stacks

- 00:46:054 (1) I understand this is a hardest diff but this flow doesn't feel good, ctrl+g 1? and, whats wrong with how it is

ok bye

edit : le map (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/664568)

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-17T20:00:53+00:00

PeterEU wrote:
Hi there from my queue

Advanced
00:21:377 (2) - Would do that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088022 Emm I prefer to keep it as it is. It work well with the change in directions and its reused later on in that section on in that section which would mean more changes required
00:31:481 (3,4,1) - hmm you should do that https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088035 Nah, I introduce the linear circles here so I'll keep those linear too
00:39:642 (1) - change to that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088038 I changed it to blanket 2 but kept the spacing for the DS to work too.
01:48:035 (3,4) - maybe to something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088046 Changed to that

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ANuko

187 posts

Joined June 2016

ANuko 2017-09-18T02:44:02+00:00

bad mod incoming

special

00:14:285 (2,3) - move closer to 00:14:771 (1) -, maybe at X:230 Y:81 to make a straight line with 00:14:771 (1,2,3) -
00:31:481 (2) - move this farther away from 00:31:287 (1) - reason : 00:31:481 (2) - to create a more "awkward" feel from the sound
01:14:033 (1) - maybe make the spinner be something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9117235 where it grows as it gets louder. Reason : Fuck Spinners :^)
01:56:585 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - maybe empathize this a bit more as it is much more louder then the previous part

done now give me my pp like you said

Phos-

773 posts

Joined December 2012

Phos- 2017-09-19T19:08:12+00:00

Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Normal]

00:36:533 (1) - This slider goes into the healthbar of the default skin, which I think is poor presentation. I would move it down a bit.
00:52:077 (1,2) - I don't really like the way you've chosen this rhythm. The sudden decrease in note density may confuse the player, and the music doesn't exactly get calmer to justify it. I would replace these two circles with a slider instead, as the player won't have to worry about timing the 1/2 note and it'll be more intuitive to play.
01:28:217 (2) - like I mentioned at 00:36:533 (1) - , this note also goes into the healthbar, which doesn't look nice.
01:38:709 (3) - You should get rid of the reverse and place a circle at 01:39:486 - , because that way you will be emphasising the chime sound in the music. You'll also be placing more pressure on the end of the slider because the player's hold ends, which is appropriate considering that the melody gets pretty strong here as well.

[Shani's Advanced]
Let's talk about your choice of rhythm at 00:21:377 (2,3) - . This is so bad to play because the player has no idea as to when to click (3). The end of (2) isn't clickable, meaning that the player doesn't have a polarised rhythm to go off of. This then causes the player to not know when to hit (3), meaning that they have to guess. There are so many better, smoother rhythms that you can utilise instead, such as:

Rhythm 1. The player will have an idea of when to hit (3) because of the rhythms before hand, and the repeat/end of the slider expresses the two awkward blue ticks without the player having to actively click on them.
Rhythm 2. The latter half of this is made entirely out of circles, but it still plays better than what you have now because everything is clickable, giving the player a clear rhythm.

I'm sure you get the idea by now. These rhythms are intuitive because the blue ticks are either expressed through a reverse arrow, which is a passive hit object. Or, they are all made clickable, because the player can use polarity to their advantage. Keep in mind that this rhythm is scattered all throughout your map (at 00:24:486 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:46:248 (2,3) - etc.) so make sure to go through the difficulty and change each of these rhythms.

You should look at Pishifat's two videos about it (1 2) and Charles445's video about polarity which is old but still relevant to this situation. (1). These videos will go into lots of detail on how you can make proper rhythms which applies to this entire map.

00:03:890 (1,2) - This blanket is off by a large margin, making it clearly noticeable in-game. You should ctrl+G (2), make sure that the approach circle lines up with the rim of (1)'s slider tail, and then ctrl+g it back.
00:29:149 (2,2) - I would change this overlap. It's noticeable and it feels out of place with the rest of the map. It also looks ugly imo, so you should change it.
00:34:590 (4,5,1) - You should move (1) a bit so that the angle is sharper. It's bad to have it as a straight line because that would assume each note has equal emphasis, which isn't the case. Therefore, you can emphasise this more through a change of angle. Even somewhere like x:223 y:273 would be more appropriate here.
00:53:631 (1) - In this segment, you should map to something that isn't the drum. The rhythm density is so low here that it just feels unintuitive to play. Sliders like 00:57:323 (2) - aren't accentuating the correct notes either, since it's the sound on the white tick that needs to be clickable.

This difficulty needs a lot of work rhythm wise. Please listen to what I said and look at the videos I've linked for rhythm structure so you can make the rhythms in this difficulty better. It's not a lost cause and I believe this has potential. You've just got to work on it.

[KKip's Hard]

00:51:688 (5,1) - Perhaps this pattern would look neater if you got rid of this overlap? It shouldn't be too hard to fix, and I think it'll look nicer.
00:52:854 (5,6) - Extend (5) to the following red tick. Although it's not on a drum, is still on quite an important sound and should be emphasised, otherwise it'll just feel awkward.
01:23:165 (1) - You should replace this circle with a 1/2 slider, because I can hear a hold sound in the melody. Therefore, I think a 1/2 slider would fit the music here better. It'll also fill in the gaps in the rhythm, which will feel better to play since the player has a clear rhythmic guideline of when to hit 01:23:457 (2) - . This suggestion also applies for 01:29:383 (1) - .
01:50:270 (3,4) - This is the first time an overlap of this calibre appears in the map, which makes it feel very out of place. I would change this pattern up a bit to make it more consistent and readable.

[Celektus' Hyper]

00:10:108 (1,2,3) - Not really a fan of the scrunched up triangle look here. It's inconsistent with all the other patterns in this map, and it looks ugly imo.
00:27:206 - This is quite an important sound, but you have nothing here to emphasise it; not even a repeat. I would ideally place a circle on this down beat to make it clickable, and then get rid of a repeat on 00:26:818 (1) - to create a buffer, so players don't leave the slider early and sliderbreak.
00:30:315 (1) - This slider goes into the default skin's healthbar, which is poor presentation. It would look nicer if you moved it down a bit.
01:30:063 (4) - Here I would move the start of this slider by 1/4 (so it starts on the white tick) and then fill the gap with a circle. (like this). This way, you will be emphasising an important beat that needs attention, as it is where the main melody gets very powerful.
01:35:600 (1) - Same problem as what I've mentioned at 00:30:315 (1) - , you should get rid of this healthbar overlap.

[Kujinn's Insane]

00:55:186 (1,2,3,4) - The four note stream is a bit awkward here. Maybe you could use a different rhythm, like a repeating slider instead? That will feel more comfortable to play.
01:05:484 (1,2,1,2,3) - The spaced triplet and double is a bit much. The song isn't intense enough to justify them, and they are the only successive spaced 1/4 that appear in the map, so I would tone them down.
01:44:538 (1) - You should make this a 1/4 slider as well, because the rhythm doesn't change and it eliminates the gap between this and (2). This'll make it fit the music better, and be more fun to play.

[Special]

00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - This is quite an interesting pattern. I just don't think it's supported by the rest of the map though. The rest of the map is very straight forward, without too many gimmicky overlaps or read intensive patterns, meaning that this pattern sticks out in a bad way. A map is built around this, it does not just show up in the middle of an existing one. Same goes for 01:45:121 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - .
00:36:338 (4,1) - It would flow better if you moved (1) further up, and further away. This is so that slider leniency is less strict; since the player will be moving in a similar direction to the slider; and it'll place more emphasis on (1), which is good because it's on a strong sound.

I'd say that the biggest problem you've all got to work on is the rhythm composition in the middle difficulties. It's not in a good spot at all, but I believe that this mapset has a lot of potential if you get that sorted out. Good luck ~

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-19T21:47:14+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Shani's Advanced]
Let's talk about your choice of rhythm at 00:21:377 (2,3) - . This is so bad to play because the player has no idea as to when to click (3). The end of (2) isn't clickable, meaning that the player doesn't have a polarised rhythm to go off of. This then causes the player to not know when to hit (3), meaning that they have to guess. There are so many better, smoother rhythms that you can utilise instead, such as:
Rhythm 1. The player will have an idea of when to hit (3) because of the rhythms before hand, and the repeat/end of the slider expresses the two awkward blue ticks without the player having to actively click on them.
Rhythm 2. The latter half of this is made entirely out of circles, but it still plays better than what you have now because everything is clickable, giving the player a clear rhythm.
I'm sure you get the idea by now. These rhythms are intuitive because the blue ticks are either expressed through a reverse arrow, which is a passive hit object. Or, they are all made clickable, because the player can use polarity to their advantage. Keep in mind that this rhythm is scattered all throughout your map (at 00:24:486 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:33:813 (2,3) - , 00:46:248 (2,3) - etc.) so make sure to go through the difficulty and change each of these rhythms.

You should look at Pishifat's two videos about it (1 2) and Charles445's video about polarity which is old but still relevant to this situation. (1). These videos will go into lots of detail on how you can make proper rhythms which applies to this entire map.
Ok. Listen. I know you tried to help and you think my rhythm is bad and unplayable. But.... you completly missed the point of the videos you linked. Like 100% wrong on all aspect of what you told me here.

If we uses Charles445's exemple with ''red and white tick'' polarity and ''blue tick'' polarity. The song switches polarity a lot kinda right? A lot of the drum is on a 3/4 rhythm base. So using we need to find a way to map 3/4 intuitivly for newer player. The idea of doing that is by avoiding creating 3/4 gaps between notes because thats unintuitive to play for a newer player. They can read easily a 1/2 gap or a 1/1 gap, they can even understand the idea that omg this is very close this is prolly twice as fast as this 1/2 gap before so its a 1/4 gap right? So what I did to avoid creating 3/4th gap that are really unintuitive because suddenly its not a mesure of twice as fast or twice as slow but a weird longer wait but not really that longer gap thingy, is that I used 3/4 slider. In your first rhythm exemple, you made a 1/1 slider. Followed by a 3/4 gap. We just said 3/4 gap are totally unintutive to play so thats play a mistake to do. In your second exemple you still keep the same 3/4 gap because you just turned all your slider into circles. In that second exemple you also created a really hard rhythm for that level of player which is a cicle on a 1/4 beat after another circle. Its doable after a slider since a slider end is passive. You dont need to click it. But if you need to click two circles like that its way harder for a newer player.

So I used that way of using sliders ending on blue tick to do those changes in polarity. So my rhythm dont have the problem of having a weird 3/4 gap but uses 3/4 slider with 1/2 gaps and 1/4 gaps which is perfectly fine for that level.

I did do a mistake with rhythm in a later place in the song with 3/4 gap so I fixed it tho. was around this 01:52:407 - where I mapped the 3 as a circle leaving a weird 3/4 gap to the new combo 1/1 slider on the white tick there. The only place in the entire map that I kept those 3/4 gaps are here 01:55:807 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - at the end of the song as its the closing of the song and I felt they were not only stong enough to be mapped but they made a great punch to had to the map ending and I feel the entire map and song prepare the player well enough to be able to hit those properly. Oh also kept this 00:40:419 (2) - but I'm really unsure about keeping it or not as it feel a bit awkward so I'd like to get opinions from a mapper with actual rhythm knowledge to tell me if its alright.

If you want to link theory on rhythm to someone, you should make sure you actually understand what you're trying to explain in the first place. I hope this help you understand. It makes me wonder tho if you actually watched those video you linked to me as they clearly explain the same things as I'm trying to explain you here.

00:03:890 (1,2) - This blanket is off by a large margin, making it clearly noticeable in-game. You should ctrl+G (2), make sure that the approach circle lines up with the rim of (1)'s slider tail, and then ctrl+g it back. Fixed lol
00:29:149 (2,2) - I would change this overlap. It's noticeable and it feels out of place with the rest of the map. It also looks ugly imo, so you should change it. I changed that but I broke a little bit outsidee of the DS of the map, I hope its still fine otherwise I'll find a way to make it work better
00:34:590 (4,5,1) - You should move (1) a bit so that the angle is sharper. It's bad to have it as a straight line because that would assume each note has equal emphasis, which isn't the case. Therefore, you can emphasise this more through a change of angle. Even somewhere like x:223 y:273 would be more appropriate here. Changed to give a little more angle into 1 to give a bit more emphasis
00:53:631 (1) - In this segment, you should map to something that isn't the drum. The rhythm density is so low here that it just feels unintuitive to play. Sliders like 00:57:323 (2) - aren't accentuating the correct notes either, since it's the sound on the white tick that needs to be clickable.
This difficulty needs a lot of work rhythm wise. Please listen to what I said and look at the videos I've linked for rhythm structure so you can make the rhythms in this difficulty better. It's not a lost cause and I believe this has potential. You've just got to work on it. I agree that this segment can be a bit odd to play because theres not much going on but my rhythm is prolly the most intuitive I can get to map it. I kinda want to keep it mapped too because its mapped in lower diff, easiest way to do it would e to just make it a break as theres no instrument playing much more clearly and frequently in that section.

I'd say that the biggest problem you've all got to work on is the rhythm composition in the middle difficulties. It's not in a good spot at all, but I believe that this mapset has a lot of potential if you get that sorted out. Good luck ~ Thanks for the mod! We see its a great attempt at improving the map but I believe you still need to understand better the theory you're trying to explain before trying to throw it in a mod like this :/

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-jordan-

692 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

-jordan- 2017-09-19T23:21:02+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, m4m from my queue!

[Normal]
00:36:533 (1) - This slider goes into the healthbar of the default skin, which I think is poor presentation. I would move it down a bit. ok
00:52:077 (1,2) - I don't really like the way you've chosen this rhythm. The sudden decrease in note density may confuse the player, and the music doesn't exactly get calmer to justify it. I would replace these two circles with a slider instead, as the player won't have to worry about timing the 1/2 note and it'll be more intuitive to play. did something different to make it the right density
01:28:217 (2) - like I mentioned at 00:36:533 (1) - , this note also goes into the healthbar, which doesn't look nice. changed
01:38:709 (3) - You should get rid of the reverse and place a circle at 01:39:486 - , because that way you will be emphasising the chime sound in the music. You'll also be placing more pressure on the end of the slider because the player's hold ends, which is appropriate considering that the melody gets pretty strong here as well. ok
[Special]
00:27:401 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - This is quite an interesting pattern. I just don't think it's supported by the rest of the map though. The rest of the map is very straight forward, without too many gimmicky overlaps or read intensive patterns, meaning that this pattern sticks out in a bad way. A map is built around this, it does not just show up in the middle of an existing one. Same goes for 01:45:121 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - . been thinking about this and while the pattern is easy to play the way i intend it to, it is hard to read with the direction and NC, made some edit but the core pattern is still there
00:36:338 (4,1) - It would flow better if you moved (1) further up, and further away. This is so that slider leniency is less strict; since the player will be moving in a similar direction to the slider; and it'll place more emphasis on (1), which is good because it's on a strong sound. ok
I'd say that the biggest problem you've all got to work on is the rhythm composition in the middle difficulties. It's not in a good spot at all, but I believe that this mapset has a lot of potential if you get that sorted out. Good luck ~ thx

blueloniess

364 posts

Joined February 2014

blueloniess 2017-09-20T04:38:49+00:00

Hello

Special

00:18:074 (2,3) - I think it's better if you Ctrl+G
00:27:401 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - quite hard to read and play
01:45:121 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - ^
pretty Awesome

kujinn's insane

00:09:136 (4,2,3,4) - stack
00:36:144 (3,4) - why use anti-flow, maybe Ctrl+G
01:39:098 (3,1) - Stack
Awesome too

Hyper

00:06:222 (8,9) - stack or separate
00:10:108 (1,2,3) - too close, separate it
00:12:440 (8,9) - ^
00:12:634 (9,4) - stack
00:21:572 - I think here missing a note
00:31:481 (7,2) - stack
00:39:253 (5,2) - ^
00:53:631 (1,4) - blanket
00:56:740 (1,4) - ^
01:02:958 (1) - blanket or stack?
01:03:735 (4,2,3) - stack
01:26:274 (1,2) - ^
I think this map is too crowded. separate some sliders can make the map looks clear

hard

00:40:225 (3,4,5) - stack
00:42:168 (6,3) - ^
00:42:945 (2,4) - I think this stack is a little hard for a hard mapset
00:52:854 (5,7) - stack
01:28:411 (3) - Ctrl+G
01:39:098 (2) - put it at x:105 y:341 seems better
01:53:670 (4,5) - stack

IDK how to mod EZ and NM

Good luck!

Avenora

26 posts

Joined August 2015

Avenora 2017-09-20T05:52:18+00:00

Hello from my mod queue
My mod for this map are mostly aesthetics because I feel like you guys nailed the flow already

Special

00:21:669 (1) - if it continues the previous slider, no need to NC

Kujinn's Insane

00:12:440 (3,1) - switch NC
00:36:921 (2) - make the end overlap with 1's end and blanket the next notes
00:38:476 (2) - start from previous 3's end
00:43:528 (5,1) - don't make an ugly overlap like this
00:49:745 (5) - start where previous 1 started
01:39:389 (1,3) - switch NC
01:50:756 (2) - could use NC here
01:51:727 (3,1) - disable NC, or move 3 closer to 1 to indicate continuous movement

Celektus' Hyper

00:48:968 (1,2) - move 1 further from 2, or NC on 2 to indicate pause
00:52:659 (2,3,4) - move these further from 1 and make it in line with 5,6
01:27:245 (2) - unclean overlap with sliderend

Shani's Advanced

Conflicting tag with other diffs

that's all from me, good luck

Mithia

618 posts

Joined February 2017

Mithia 2017-09-21T20:19:36+00:00

Hi Hi! from my mod queue

My mod will not be very useful, since this map is excellent to my opinion

Shani's Advanced

00:06:222 (2,3) - I do not think it's very useful, but a blanket would not be bad
00:24:972 (3) - stack it with00:23:709 (3) - ?)

It's nothing special, but try to help anyway, sorry...

GL Jordan

Amazing Map

Ali-

63 posts

Joined December 2015

Ali- 2017-09-21T21:02:31+00:00

from my mod q, feel free to deny thnx

[Speshul]
00:05:445 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - missed a good opportunity to have these blanket eachother!!
00:15:937 (4,5) - i feel as if this would be a lot less compact if you overlapped it with this 00:15:160 (3) - instead. just looks a lot better
00:18:074 (3) - i hate to be that guy but... blanket pls
00:19:240 (4) - overlap with 00:18:269 (3) - instead?
00:21:669 (1,2) - this sounds a bit unique and technical. you could do a ctrl+g on 00:21:669 (1) - to make it feel more emphasized and present
00:22:057 (1) - couldnt this be done better by doing this? that way the player is clicking on the emphasized sound with the slider head, instead of it being a repeat arrow which usually represents very soft sounds
00:24:680 (1,2,3) - rhythm here is a lot more technical. the first beat which should be emphasized is 00:24:778 - not on the head of 00:24:875 (3) {which is being emphasized by being a long slider}. the second sound is on the red tick here 00:25:069 , which is correct, and the final lands on 00:25:263 - which is correct. it could be represented this way
00:28:761 (1) - lots of movement, very exciting! but... right into a full stop with no movement (00:29:149 (1) - )... it kills the flow. try making 00:29:149 (1) a slider
00:30:315 (1,1) - refer to above, ill stop mentioning it but you get the jist.
00:31:481 (2) - this slow slider has a VERY hard time representing this sound. definitely consider changing that.
00:31:870 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this has the movement im looking for! keep this up, it wont be nearly as janky if you did this more often.
00:34:104 (2,3) - both sliders land on that deep bass hit sound but 00:34:493 - is represented with a sliderend. its inconsistent and rather jarring (00:34:687 - here too, but this could be represented using a cool pattern rather than just a slider. its up to you how you want to do that, of course)
00:40:225 (4,5,1) - this would be a lot more hype if it had substantially less spacing than the following circles, like its building up then releasing. example
00:41:973 (1,2,3,1) - such a detrimental blow to the movement created literally an instant before. its a huge turn off because these parts where you're undermapping have so much potential to be cool as hell
00:43:528 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - something like this is somewhat more acceptable, but you still severely undermap the sound on 00:43:916 (3) -
00:45:859 - ALWAYS avoid mapping something as important as this on a slider end.
00:46:248 (2) - (or undermap it)
01:00:237 (2) - a very slow slider and a high spaced snap to 01:00:626 (3) would represent this better imo

i really like the kiais. i cant really find any glooming issues without being annoying by repeating myself and cherrypicking solely based on preference, so ill leave them be

01:52:699 (5) - the undermap aaa
01:55:419 (2,1) - definitely need to find a substitution for this, it has no purpose and is unappealing to the eye. an anti-flow slider could work.

01:57:361 (5) - better mapped as a 1/2 slider imo

really cool map. i guess i can understand the undermapping because you're going for a rather easy tech map, sorry if i protagonized!

good luck, this could definitely go somewhere

KKipalt

129 posts

Joined August 2015

KKipalt 2017-09-22T19:52:38+00:00

mod repl

gary00737 wrote:
M4M

KKip's Hard 00:22:154 (6,1) - i think no jump will be better new bar
00:22:543 (1,2) - why overlap it look like 1/4 oke
00:53:631 (1) - i think try this will be better , how do you think @@? https://i.imgur.com/fanwL2J.png inconsistent with other sliderbodies
01:46:870 (2) - nc don't see a point
01:47:452 (2) - nc too ^

um ,, i think this hard diff not a hard >_>" look like insane

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
hard:
00:51:688 (5,1) - 01:03:735 (3,1) - 01:38:709 (1,2) - make them a bit further apart 01:38:709 (1,2) didn't change this cus its just a drum
i think this difficulty is way too difficult to read for this skill because of stacks, complicated rhythms, sliders with unpredictable amount of reverses and ds organization. not that kind of diff where you can challenge player with such stuff. perhaps make it more straight forward

PeterEU wrote:
00:34:978 (1) - this slider looks weird for me change to this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088060 dusnt follow music
00:38:087 (1,2,3) - to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9088066 ^ + 2 shud look same

-Faded- wrote:
[KKip's Hard]
00:51:688 (5,1) - Perhaps this pattern would look neater if you got rid of this overlap? It shouldn't be too hard to fix, and I think it'll look nicer. done
00:52:854 (5,6) - Extend (5) to the following red tick. Although it's not on a drum, is still on quite an important sound and should be emphasised, otherwise it'll just feel awkward. feels fine to me, maybe my earphones r bda
01:23:165 (1) - You should replace this circle with a 1/2 slider, because I can hear a hold sound in the melody. Therefore, I think a 1/2 slider would fit the music here better. It'll also fill in the gaps in the rhythm, which will feel better to play since the player has a clear rhythmic guideline of when to hit 01:23:457 (2) - . This suggestion also applies for 01:29:383 (1) - . wanted to have th stop feelin, cus laik the music is like that unless u play ht, maybe I'm missin somethin
01:50:270 (3,4) - This is the first time an overlap of this calibre appears in the map, which makes it feel very out of place. I would change this pattern up a bit to make it more consistent and readable. changed, dunno if its better "I hav no clu wat to do here actually"

blueloniess wrote:
00:40:225 (3,4,5) - stack shud b stakd now
00:42:168 (6,3) - ^ don't agree, this looks better, dusn break any concepts eithr
00:42:945 (2,4) - I think this stack is a little hard for a hard mapset I kinda agree but, idk I mite need suggestions
00:52:854 (5,7) - stack this is more readabl
01:28:411 (3) - Ctrl+G that underemphasizes tht part if u ctrl g
01:39:098 (2) - put it at x:105 y:341 seems better definitely disagree, I laik did more
01:53:670 (4,5) - stack more readabl this way, I think + consistency

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Ongaku

607 posts

Joined January 2014

Ongaku 2017-09-23T03:38:26+00:00

from queue \o

First of all, please lower your hitsound volume. It gets in the way of the song, and that's pretty bad.

Special:

00:05:250 (1,1) - Pretty unnecessary NCs if you ask me.
00:29:344 (2,3,4) - Don't you think the pattern is reversed? Since theres only one synth 00:29:344 - here, with two 00:29:538 - and 00:29:635 - here? Wouldn't it be http://puu.sh/xGzQn/d3c67f61aa.jpg in a more rhythm sense?
00:32:258 (1) - Ruins the emphasis on 00:32:452 - , which you were emphasizing on 00:29:344 - and 00:30:898 - , etc. It makes 00:32:550 (2,3) - awkward to play. I suggest you make it a 1/4 slider to keep up with the rhythm.
00:34:007 (1,2,3) - I really do recommend you keep following the wubs. No reason to switch to the drums all of a sudden in that split second.
00:39:836 - Again, I strongly urge you to follow the wubs, as you have been throughout this section. You ignore 00:39:836 - and 00:40:030 - , you should have no reason not to map this.
00:42:556 (1,1) - Similar issue in the intro.
00:41:585 (4,5) - Awkward choice of rhythm, most likely due to 00:41:779 - being ended on instead of being started on.
00:52:660 (1) - I suggest you just make it a circle note like 00:52:077 (2) - . They pretty much the same on where they're used. Or vice versa.
01:14:227 - You're missing a pretty big build up. I really do hope you consider mapping this part instead of placing a spinner. It could give that drop a whole better feeling.
01:39:583 (3) - I suggest you avoid ending sliders on the drum, usually because it's emphasized 01:39:389 - and 01:39:583 - , but specifically not 01:39:778 - .
01:43:372 (1,2,3) - Could use more of a "build up," feels "lackluster."
01:49:978 - Hmm, maybe a circle note here would make 01:50:076 (2) - less awkward to play?
01:52:796 - Theres a pretty big void here, I suggest you fill something in, but its up to you.
01:55:807 (1,1) - Unnecessary NCs. If you NC this, you might as well NC 01:56:585 (3) - and 01:56:876 - .
01:57:945 (1) - No hit-finish?

Some concerning choice of rhythm I don't completely agree with. Some of them which make some parts of the map entirely awkward to play. Example would be 00:32:258 (1,2,3) - , 00:34:007 (1,2,3) - , 00:39:642 (2,3) - , etc. I might have already listed them in the mod.

Kujinn's Insane:

00:13:994 (1,2) - I suggest you follow what you did with 00:07:776 (1,2,3,1) - , because they're rhythmically similar.
00:39:933 (2,3) - Slightly triggering overlap reeeeeeeeeeeeee
00:40:516 (4) - You could add a NC here.
00:55:186 (1) - Honestly, it really wouldn't change much if you removed this one note. Its just there for no specific reason. Maybe for "smoother gameplay," but its really up to you.
00:58:877 (3) - Ending the slider on 00:59:072 - makes the rhythm very awkward and i urge you to avoid doing this in this case. The triple could start 00:59:072 - instead of the slider ending there.
01:01:403 (1) - Similar situation to 00:55:186 (1) - .
01:05:775 - Missing this drum is a pretty big problem.
01:47:161 - You missed a pretty important note here. Maybe just move 01:47:064 (3) - here instead and make 01:46:870 (2) - extend to 01:47:064 - ? That way you can hit 01:47:161 - without feeling like you missed something.
01:49:784 (2,3) - DS looks pretty similar to 01:49:395 (1) - , so that might cause some reading issues.

Solid map, poked on a few small bits.

Celektus' Hyper:

00:10:108 (1,2,3) - Pretty small DS for a hyper.
00:20:989 (1,2) - There really should be no reason for you to break consistency. Why map this now when you didn't for 00:16:326 - , 00:17:103 - , 00:17:880 - , etc?
00:27:206 - Didn't extend?
00:49:357 (2,3,4,5) - Sudden stream. Compared to the rest of this section, this doesn't happen at all, even when the song calls for it. Example would be 00:43:139 - , where there are no streams.
01:01:403 (1) - Why shift the pattern? 00:55:186 (1,2,3) - is pretty similar but is entirely different compared to 01:01:403 (1) - .
01:46:870 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Slightly more tricky pattern, I don't recommend in a hyper, especially due to the low ar.

Honestly, a lot of stuff in here are questionable, maybe because it's a hyper and it sits between a Hard and an insane. Most issues you want to avoid are inconsistency issues like 00:49:357 (2,3,4,5,6) - , 01:01:403 (1) - , etc.

KKip's Hard:

00:10:108 - Theres no reason that this part should be any different than 00:03:890 - . Only change is the pitch, which isn't a good enough justification for this change in pattern.
00:32:452 (2,3,4,5,6) - A bit too over-the-top for a Hard, don't you think?
00:52:077 (1,2,3,4) - Not very clean, think you can arrange it so it looks a bit better?
01:50:270 (3) - Avoid 1/8s in Hards. In this case, it wouldn't be very ideal.

Some stuff looks concerning, but I let them slide.

This is as far as I'll go, good luck.

Last edited by Ongaku 2017-09-24T04:25:31+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Shanipika

114 posts

Joined April 2015

Shanipika 2017-09-23T05:05:34+00:00

OsuDans wrote:
Hi Hi! from my mod queue
My mod will not be very useful, since this map is excellent to my opinion
Shani's Advanced
00:06:222 (2,3) - I do not think it's very useful, but a blanket would not be bad lol I'll just keep it as it is, I prefer it like that for now atleast owo
00:24:972 (3) - stack it with00:23:709 (3) - ?) Ok changed that

Also I think I fixed all the tag problem or whatever I just didnt update the rest of the set so had bunch of problem with that but fixed that owo

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-jordan-

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-jordan- 2017-09-26T01:43:54+00:00

i'll apply -ali's mod soon tm

Ongaku wrote:
from queue \o

First of all, please lower your hitsound volume. It gets in the way of the song, and that's pretty bad. ok

Special:

00:05:250 (1,1) - Pretty unnecessary NCs if you ask me. setup for stuff i did with 1/2 and 1/4 stacks at 00:41:876 (5,1,2,3,1) -
00:29:344 (2,3,4) - Don't you think the pattern is reversed? Since theres only one synth 00:29:344 - here, with two 00:29:538 - and 00:29:635 - here? Wouldn't it be http://puu.sh/xGzQn/d3c67f61aa.jpg in a more rhythm sense? well there is the 1/2 synth and 1/4, your suggestion is kind of bad for mapping the kick on the blue tick so instead of mapping the 1/2 synth with a 1/4 slider, i'll map the 1/4 synth with a 1/4 slider and have the kick actively clicked unless im misunderstanding your point.
00:32:258 (1) - Ruins the emphasis on 00:32:452 - , which you were emphasizing on 00:29:344 - and 00:30:898 - , etc. It makes 00:32:550 (2,3) - awkward to play. I suggest you make it a 1/4 slider to keep up with the rhythm. ok
00:34:007 (1,2,3) - I really do recommend you keep following the wubs. No reason to switch to the drums all of a sudden in that split second. i really cant think of a way to do this without completely ignoring either the melody or drum, will fix when i figure out a good compromise
00:39:836 - Again, I strongly urge you to follow the wubs, as you have been throughout this section. You ignore 00:39:836 - and 00:40:030 - , you should have no reason not to map this.same as above
00:42:556 (1,1) - Similar issue in the intro. in this part, i did this to make the combo colouring and follow points on the circle under the stack more familiar, as just a 1/2 to 1/2 then overlap under the 1/2 is confusing so i wanted a way for it be be both easier to understand and to have been hinted at in the intro. The reason for the stack use itself is because like the melody, the instrument repeats the tone twice then changes so i wanted this to be represented in the same way.
00:41:585 (4,5) - Awkward choice of rhythm, most likely due to 00:41:779 - being ended on instead of being started on. i dont see why this is awkward, similar 1/4 rhythms after sliders are used like this throughout.
00:52:660 (1) - I suggest you just make it a circle note like 00:52:077 (2) - . They pretty much the same on where they're used. Or vice versa. ok
01:14:227 - You're missing a pretty big build up. I really do hope you consider mapping this part instead of placing a spinner. It could give that drop a whole better feeling.im happy with the spinner now, but maybe
01:39:583 (3) - I suggest you avoid ending sliders on the drum, usually because it's emphasized 01:39:389 - and 01:39:583 - , but specifically not 01:39:778 - . ok
01:43:372 (1,2,3) - Could use more of a "build up," feels "lackluster." i agree
01:49:978 - Hmm, maybe a circle note here would make 01:50:076 (2) - less awkward to play? yeah
01:52:796 - Theres a pretty big void here, I suggest you fill something in, but its up to you. the void here fits the gap in the music imo
01:55:807 (1,1) - Unnecessary NCs. If you NC this, you might as well NC 01:56:585 (3) - and 01:56:876 - . removed nc, even tho i love to add nc pretty sure that one was a mistake lol
01:57:945 (1) - No hit-finish? both hitfinishes in the map dont really suit here for the intenstiy of the music

Some concerning choice of rhythm I don't completely agree with. Some of them which make some parts of the map entirely awkward to play. Example would be 00:32:258 (1,2,3) - , 00:34:007 (1,2,3) - , 00:39:642 (2,3) - , etc. I might have already listed them in the mod.totally agree i'll be changing all these soon
This is as far as I'll go, good luck. thanks great mod

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