2017-06-28 14:49 melloe: okay firt things first
2017-06-28 14:49 melloe: lower the volume haha
2017-06-28 14:49 melloe: it's way too loud
2017-06-28 14:49 [ Time ]: wtf
2017-06-28 14:49 [ Time ]: it doesnt even sound loud to me and im 100% effects 75% music
2017-06-28 14:49 [ Time ]: im saying wtf cuz
2017-06-28 14:49 [ Time ]: you arent first person to say it
2017-06-28 14:50 melloe: well i think it's loud anyway
2017-06-28 14:50 melloe: i always map at either 50/50
2017-06-28 14:50 melloe: or 0 effects
2017-06-28 14:50 melloe: the thing is the music is so gentle
2017-06-28 14:50 [ Time ]: ill turn it down since it makes 2 times its been commented on
2017-06-28 14:50 [ Time ]: yeah true true
2017-06-28 14:51 melloe: okay next over here 00:08:962 (1,2,3,4,5) - 
2017-06-28 14:52 melloe: it looks a bit messy cuz the 3 and the 4 are so closely blanketed
2017-06-28 14:52 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 14:52 [ Time ]: ive been meaning to fix x.x
2017-06-28 14:52 melloe: but then the 4 and the 5 kind of are spaced apart more
2017-06-28 14:52 melloe: also the sliders are different curves
2017-06-28 14:52 melloe: oh also most of your rhythm choices are on point
2017-06-28 14:52 [ Time ]: i honestly just need to remap the first 30 seconds
2017-06-28 14:52 [ Time ]: ay
2017-06-28 14:52 melloe: so most of this is just a small matter of aesthetics and NCing
2017-06-28 14:53 melloe: the 123 leading into the pattern kind of messy looking too
2017-06-28 14:53 melloe: should i skip the first 30 seconds or do u still wanna hear stuff about ti
2017-06-28 14:53 [ Time ]: skip pls
2017-06-28 14:53 [ Time ]: i ignore it because it hurts me
2017-06-28 14:53 [ Time ]: LOL
2017-06-28 14:53 melloe: LOL
2017-06-28 14:54 [ Time ]: 00:35:400 (1) - heres where i started today
2017-06-28 14:54 melloe: alrighty i'll start from there
2017-06-28 14:56 melloe: 00:42:150 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 
2017-06-28 14:56 melloe: what sounds were these mapped to?
2017-06-28 14:56 [ Time ]: background
2017-06-28 14:56 [ Time ]: totally ignore vocals
2017-06-28 14:56 melloe: the soft wub sounds or whatever right
2017-06-28 14:57 melloe: idk what those are
2017-06-28 14:57 [ Time ]: yup
2017-06-28 14:57 melloe: yae
2017-06-28 14:57 melloe: okay so each one is expressed with a sliderhead right
2017-06-28 14:57 melloe: 00:43:650 (2) - 
2017-06-28 14:57 melloe: but there's a sound here
2017-06-28 14:57 [ Time ]: 00:51:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is only part actively mapped to vocals
2017-06-28 14:57 melloe: ya i noticed that that was nice
2017-06-28 14:57 [ Time ]: :)
2017-06-28 14:58 [ Time ]: oo yea your right
2017-06-28 14:58 [ Time ]: i should do 2 sliders here
2017-06-28 14:58 melloe: ya
2017-06-28 14:58 melloe: and on that one the sound changes a little 
2017-06-28 14:58 melloe: so imo this slider 00:43:275 (1) - should be thrown in with the group on the right
2017-06-28 14:59 melloe: so when the sound changes to another note the player moves over to the group of objects on the left
2017-06-28 14:59 [ Time ]: ooooo
2017-06-28 14:59 [ Time ]: and that also allows me to fix the error with the mapping too
2017-06-28 14:59 melloe: what error
2017-06-28 15:00 melloe: but anyway yeah since youve decided to use sliders to express the sound make sure evertime theres that sound theres a slider too
2017-06-28 15:00 melloe: also 
2017-06-28 15:00 melloe: not necessary but since you mapped the vocals later on
2017-06-28 15:00 melloe: 00:45:900 (1) - 
2017-06-28 15:00 melloe: this part is basically the same vocals
2017-06-28 15:00 melloe: might be nice to use the same pattern that you used on that part
2017-06-28 15:01 melloe: 00:49:650 (2) - 
2017-06-28 15:01 melloe: yeah you did it here already LOL good job
2017-06-28 15:01 [ Time ]: c:
2017-06-28 15:03 [ Time ]: hm im not sure on what to do here 00:44:587 (1) -
2017-06-28 15:04 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8462474 after changing it i get something like this
2017-06-28 15:04 [ Time ]: but having 2 notes there is mapping to the vocals and I kinda wanted to stay away from that as much as possible
2017-06-28 15:04 [ Time ]: cuz 2nd kiai is all vocals
2017-06-28 15:05 melloe: i think thats ok
2017-06-28 15:05 melloe: as long as you make it clear you're mapping to that specific sound it shouldnt matter if vocals coincide
2017-06-28 15:06 melloe: might be good to make this 00:45:149 (5) - a sliderhead instead of a circle
2017-06-28 15:06 melloe: 00:51:150 (3) - this too
2017-06-28 15:07 [ Time ]: also im prob gonna keep this part the same simply because of this 00:47:400 (1,2,3) -
2017-06-28 15:07 [ Time ]: having it the only part like that kinda emphasizes it
2017-06-28 15:08 melloe: kk
2017-06-28 15:08 melloe: ok for these
2017-06-28 15:08 melloe: 01:51:712 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - 
2017-06-28 15:08 melloe: having the sliders on a red tick is kind of weird
2017-06-28 15:08 melloe: sinec the dominant sounds are on the white tick
2017-06-28 15:09 melloe: you can hear the notes going high low high low high low high low and the high ones are on white ticks
2017-06-28 15:09 melloe: 02:03:712 (1,2,3,4) - same here
2017-06-28 15:09 [ Time ]: yeah but if i put them on white it sounds really weird
2017-06-28 15:09 [ Time ]: since it doesnt sound like a sound is beginning
2017-06-28 15:10 [ Time ]: 01:53:400 (4) - like for this you can hear it start on the white
2017-06-28 15:10 [ Time ]: and thats why i reset it with the note before
2017-06-28 15:11 [ Time ]: 01:47:400 (3,4,5,6) - honestly this should also be there
2017-06-28 15:12 melloe: yeah you could do that actually
2017-06-28 15:12 melloe: would probably be more cohesive
2017-06-28 15:12 melloe: but both work
2017-06-28 15:12 [ Time ]: ye
2017-06-28 15:12 melloe: i still think the sliders should start with the white ticks but up to you
2017-06-28 15:13 [ Time ]: then yeah im not gonna change it, just doesnt sound like it fits with the music to me
2017-06-28 15:13 melloe: kk
2017-06-28 15:13 melloe: 02:19:275 (6) - 
2017-06-28 15:13 melloe: the very last part of the slider there's a sound
2017-06-28 15:14 [ Time ]: good ol trusty remove the repeat and add a note under the end
2017-06-28 15:14 melloe: well try this
2017-06-28 15:14 melloe: waiting for puush lmao
2017-06-28 15:15 [ Time ]: lul
2017-06-28 15:15 melloe: ok it's not working i'll just tell you
2017-06-28 15:16 melloe: remove the repeat and then drag the next two notes, the red circle and slider, back one tick
2017-06-28 15:16 [ Time ]: can do shift f12
2017-06-28 15:16 melloe: and then make that slider a repeat
2017-06-28 15:16 melloe: would workbest imo
2017-06-28 15:16 melloe: oh right LMFAO
2017-06-28 15:16 [ Time ]: oo
2017-06-28 15:16 melloe: i forgot osu even had a thing
2017-06-28 15:16 [ Time ]: thats perfect
2017-06-28 15:16 [ Time ]: lmaoooo
2017-06-28 15:16 melloe: 2:30:150 - there's a pretty strong sound here
2017-06-28 15:17 melloe: not sure if you left htat out on purpsoe
2017-06-28 15:17 melloe: 02:30:150 -
2017-06-28 15:17 [ Time ]: yup
2017-06-28 15:17 [ Time ]: thats when it switches how i mapped it
2017-06-28 15:17 [ Time ]: its full on vocals now
2017-06-28 15:19 melloe: 03:52:275 (2) - 
2017-06-28 15:19 melloe: at the end it might be good to just
2017-06-28 15:19 melloe: keep the sliders going
2017-06-28 15:19 melloe: that'd be cool
2017-06-28 15:19 [ Time ]: yeahhhh i didnt know how long to go until it got residentsleeper
2017-06-28 15:19 melloe: lower the volume to 5 and make the player keep clicking till the end LOL
2017-06-28 15:19 [ Time ]: :p
2017-06-28 15:20 [ Time ]: LOL
2017-06-28 15:20 [ Time ]: evil
2017-06-28 15:20 [ Time ]: i love it
2017-06-28 15:20 melloe: i'd literally do it all the way until the end
2017-06-28 15:20 melloe: 02:57:150 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-06-28 15:20 melloe: here i think it might be nice to map to the instrumental instead of the vocals
2017-06-28 15:20 [ Time ]: gimmick xd
2017-06-28 15:20 melloe: since you were mapping to the instrumental in the previous pattern
2017-06-28 15:21 [ Time ]: oh
2017-06-28 15:21 [ Time ]: you're right
2017-06-28 15:21 [ Time ]: fuk
2017-06-28 15:21 [ Time ]: would also help if someone gets messed up on the sliders
2017-06-28 15:21 melloe: yea
2017-06-28 15:22 melloe: 03:13:462 (4,1) - 
2017-06-28 15:22 melloe: these patterns i think it might be nice to put in a circle or slider between
2017-06-28 15:22 melloe: i know you're mapping to the vocals this entire section
2017-06-28 15:22 melloe: and there's no vocal there
2017-06-28 15:22 melloe: but a pause feels kinda unnatural imo
2017-06-28 15:22 [ Time ]: listen deeper
2017-06-28 15:23 melloe: are you not mapping to the vocals
2017-06-28 15:23 [ Time ]: eh-ah-ah-ah
2017-06-28 15:23 melloe: yeah those are vocals LOL
2017-06-28 15:23 [ Time ]: c:
2017-06-28 15:23 [ Time ]: i got so excited for that part when i realized it could all fit together like this
2017-06-28 15:24 melloe: yeah all the previous sliders are to the vocals too
2017-06-28 15:24 melloe: which is pretty cool
2017-06-28 15:24 melloe: but the previous section maintains constant density
2017-06-28 15:24 [ Time ]: yeah and i was trying to represent the sound too
2017-06-28 15:24 [ Time ]: A being sharp, ah being slightly bent and then oh being fully circular
2017-06-28 15:24 melloe: i'm just saying it's a bit jarring to have a pause
2017-06-28 15:24 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 15:25 melloe: well if it was on purpose
2017-06-28 15:25 melloe: up to you i guess
2017-06-28 15:25 melloe: that's about it for rhythm choices
2017-06-28 15:25 melloe: rhythm choices solid
2017-06-28 15:25 [ Time ]: yeah gonna stick with it how it is
2017-06-28 15:25 [ Time ]: tyty
2017-06-28 15:25 [ Time ]: :)
2017-06-28 15:27 melloe: for NCing it seems a little inconcsistent sometimes
2017-06-28 15:27 melloe: 01:01:650 (2) - like here you dont use nc
2017-06-28 15:27 melloe: but you use it here 00:55:650 (1) - 
2017-06-28 15:27 [ Time ]: yup
2017-06-28 15:27 [ Time ]: wait
2017-06-28 15:27 [ Time ]: oh yeah because i copy pasted
2017-06-28 15:27 [ Time ]: i was doing after every circle
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: i would use nc on both of them
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: NCs emphasize sound
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: usually people put it on downbeats
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: or just every strong sound
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: or to separate patterns
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: 01:06:150 (3) - 
2017-06-28 15:28 melloe: maybe NC here? o:
2017-06-28 15:29 [ Time ]: remove the nc on the note right before?
2017-06-28 15:29 [ Time ]: or both
2017-06-28 15:29 melloe: there's no NC on the note right before
2017-06-28 15:29 [ Time ]: 01:05:400 (5) -
2017-06-28 15:29 melloe: oh that
2017-06-28 15:29 [ Time ]: well its 1 for you
2017-06-28 15:29 melloe: uhh
2017-06-28 15:29 [ Time ]: its the same shape as the 4 sliders before it
2017-06-28 15:29 melloe: you can do both
2017-06-28 15:29 [ Time ]: just split into 2
2017-06-28 15:29 melloe: i'd keep the NC
2017-06-28 15:30 [ Time ]: ok
2017-06-28 15:30 melloe: either is fine tbh
2017-06-28 15:30 melloe: 01:06:712 (4) - i'd NC here personally but no NC is fine as well
2017-06-28 15:31 [ Time ]: theres actually so many new combos on here
2017-06-28 15:31 [ Time ]: lmao
2017-06-28 15:32 melloe: i like my NCs
2017-06-28 15:32 melloe: i used to be scared of them but now i use them liberally
2017-06-28 15:32 melloe: 01:43:650 (6) - nc here maybe
2017-06-28 15:33 [ Time ]: muh pattern
2017-06-28 15:33 [ Time ]: i know i should but
2017-06-28 15:33 [ Time ]: it'll fuck the pattern
2017-06-28 15:33 [ Time ]: originally it was mapped like 01:36:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1) - this
2017-06-28 15:33 melloe: mmm
2017-06-28 15:33 melloe: probably ok to not nc
2017-06-28 15:33 melloe: either works
2017-06-28 15:34 [ Time ]: yeah cuz what i was doing was whenever it was higher pitch i'd do nc since it'd be to the left
2017-06-28 15:34 [ Time ]: i still dont know if i got the pitches right tbh
2017-06-28 15:35 melloe: they seem fine
2017-06-28 15:35 melloe: 02:30:525 (3) - 
2017-06-28 15:35 melloe: nc here?
2017-06-28 15:36 melloe: you said that was like
2017-06-28 15:36 melloe: the big break where you purposely omitted a maor suond
2017-06-28 15:36 melloe: major sound
2017-06-28 15:36 [ Time ]: ye
2017-06-28 15:36 melloe: would be weird to keep an NC over that
2017-06-28 15:37 [ Time ]: yeah i agree
2017-06-28 15:37 [ Time ]: ty
2017-06-28 15:38 melloe: 03:42:150 (5) - 
2017-06-28 15:38 melloe: nc here too maybe
2017-06-28 15:38 melloe: okay that's enough about NCs theyre not important who cares
2017-06-28 15:38 [ Time ]: lmfao
2017-06-28 15:40 [ Time ]: also idk how this makes you feel
2017-06-28 15:40 melloe: uh you wanna hear about aesthetics
2017-06-28 15:40 [ Time ]: but like 30% of the map is grid snapped
2017-06-28 15:40 melloe: those are pretty subjective though
2017-06-28 15:40 [ Time ]: hit me with it
2017-06-28 15:41 melloe: you mean the kiai?
2017-06-28 15:41 melloe: grid snapped?
2017-06-28 15:41 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 15:42 [ Time ]: like on the right
2017-06-28 15:42 [ Time ]: i turned it on for a fair bit of the map xd
2017-06-28 15:42 [ Time ]: i usually never turn it on
2017-06-28 15:42 melloe: nothing wrong with grid snapping
2017-06-28 15:42 melloe: especially if you wanna make squares like in you rkiai
2017-06-28 15:42 melloe: personally though
2017-06-28 15:42 [ Time ]: idk when i first started i got told dont use grid snap
2017-06-28 15:42 melloe: with jumps
2017-06-28 15:43 melloe: maybe to start out it might be nicer to have that room to mess around
2017-06-28 15:43 melloe: really though it doesnt matter
2017-06-28 15:43 melloe: it's just about what comes out
2017-06-28 15:43 melloe: principally speaking there's nothing wrong or right with grid snapping
2017-06-28 15:43 melloe: but yeah when it comes to structured mapping
2017-06-28 15:44 melloe: like with monstrata's hexagrid mapping
2017-06-28 15:44 melloe: i feel that on ARs that arent ridiculously low
2017-06-28 15:44 melloe: the structure doesnt really show up all that much
2017-06-28 15:44 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 15:44 melloe: and all that shows are the follow lines that criss cross each other at absurd angles
2017-06-28 15:44 melloe: 01:18:150 (1,2,3,4,5) - 
2017-06-28 15:44 melloe: like here the structure is noticeable even on high AR
2017-06-28 15:45 [ Time ]: yee
2017-06-28 15:45 melloe: but even if it's noticed it doesnt look all that great
2017-06-28 15:45 melloe: cause of all the angles it goes at
2017-06-28 15:45 melloe: unlses of course you break it up with NCs
2017-06-28 15:45 [ Time ]: talking about structure how do you feel about the map in terms of structure?
2017-06-28 15:45 [ Time ]: like outside of that part
2017-06-28 15:45 melloe: visual or rhythmic
2017-06-28 15:45 [ Time ]: uh
2017-06-28 15:45 [ Time ]: both?
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: rhythmically it's pretty strong
2017-06-28 15:46 [ Time ]: i didnt know it could apply to both
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: well like
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: just using consistent rhythm choices
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: visually
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: uhh what kind of structure
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: like overall structure?
2017-06-28 15:46 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 15:46 [ Time ]: idk what i was asking
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: or like
2017-06-28 15:46 melloe: aesthetic structure
2017-06-28 15:47 [ Time ]: yeah lets go with that
2017-06-28 15:47 melloe: hmm
2017-06-28 15:47 melloe: i think you could use more consistent spacing between objects
2017-06-28 15:48 melloe: personally i almost use NC visually
2017-06-28 15:48 melloe: unless it's for a gimmick or for a SUPER strong rhythm
2017-06-28 15:48 melloe: and then i organize my objects so that the rhythm NC and the visual NC coincide
2017-06-28 15:48 melloe: NC is super important for me cause i think if it's not used right
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: you just get all sorts of shit
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: like monstrata's ugly ass grid jumps
2017-06-28 15:49 [ Time ]: yeah true true
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: that he doesnt use anymore thank god
2017-06-28 15:49 [ Time ]: lmao
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: but your grids are mostly fine imo
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: 01:15:150 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - 
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: like this shit
2017-06-28 15:49 [ Time ]: woo
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: this is good
2017-06-28 15:49 melloe: just back and forths
2017-06-28 15:50 [ Time ]: c:
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: rhtyhmically on point
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: 01:14:400 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: i'd personally NC each of the two 
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: but even if not it doesnt look too bad 
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: 01:18:337 (2,3,4,5) - 
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: 01:18:150 (1,2,3,4,5) - 
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: i personally really feel strongly about this kind of stuff
2017-06-28 15:50 melloe: that makes structure but ignores follow lines
2017-06-28 15:51 melloe: i would restructure/NC the hell out of it
2017-06-28 15:51 melloe: but it's up to you
2017-06-28 15:51 melloe: a lot of mappers/players don't midn that kind of thing
2017-06-28 15:51 melloe: personal preference
2017-06-28 15:51 [ Time ]: hmhmhm
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: i like to give my objects some room to breathe
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: 01:24:900 (4,1) - 
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: most of the time i dislike when objects are barely touching like that
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: i either make them overlap or space them further
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: 01:24:900 (4,1,2,3) - 
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: and you were using pretty open spacing for the patterns previous
2017-06-28 15:52 melloe: so i'd let them breathe a bit
2017-06-28 15:52 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 15:53 [ Time ]: yea thats a good idea
2017-06-28 15:53 melloe: 01:33:712 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - here too
2017-06-28 15:53 melloe: i'd either do something like this
2017-06-28 15:53 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8462833
2017-06-28 15:53 melloe: or this
2017-06-28 15:54 [ Time ]: oh god that first one
2017-06-28 15:54 [ Time ]: i hate that pattern play wise
2017-06-28 15:54 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8462838
2017-06-28 15:54 melloe: or this
2017-06-28 15:54 melloe: or it can be more vertical
2017-06-28 15:54 [ Time ]: that one i tried before but ran out of space
2017-06-28 15:55 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8462842
2017-06-28 15:55 melloe: yea
2017-06-28 15:55 melloe: you could make more room
2017-06-28 15:55 melloe: move the group of 3s before to somewhere else
2017-06-28 15:55 melloe: throw it to the right somewhere
2017-06-28 15:55 melloe: free up some room
2017-06-28 15:56 melloe: even if you keep the pattern that you have now though
2017-06-28 15:56 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8462849
2017-06-28 15:56 melloe: make sure to keep spacing between those consistent
2017-06-28 15:56 melloe: the middle 2 arent touching like ther est of em
2017-06-28 15:57 [ Time ]: oo
2017-06-28 15:57 [ Time ]: ty
2017-06-28 15:57 [ Time ]: i fixed
2017-06-28 15:58 melloe: 02:03:712 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-06-28 15:58 melloe: here too
2017-06-28 15:58 melloe: keep spacing consistent
2017-06-28 15:58 melloe: esp if it's within the same combo
2017-06-28 15:59 melloe: also between 2 and 3 there's like an imperfect blanket
2017-06-28 15:59 melloe: personally those are always annoying to me
2017-06-28 15:59 melloe: whenever i see em
2017-06-28 15:59 melloe: so i'd move the 3 somewhere else
2017-06-28 16:00 melloe:  between 3 and 4 too
2017-06-28 16:00 melloe: 02:07:275 (5,6,7,8) - 
2017-06-28 16:00 melloe: consistent spacing
2017-06-28 16:00 melloe: oh yeah
2017-06-28 16:00 melloe: something else
2017-06-28 16:00 melloe: 02:15:712 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - 
2017-06-28 16:01 melloe: oh nevermind
2017-06-28 16:01 melloe: well i'd space that out a bit but that's all
2017-06-28 16:01 [ Time ]: lol
2017-06-28 16:02 melloe: hmm
2017-06-28 16:02 melloe: do you wanna hear a long spiel about aesthetics in general LOL
2017-06-28 16:02 melloe: 02:30:712 (4,5,6) - 
2017-06-28 16:02 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 16:02 [ Time ]: do you wanna voice?
2017-06-28 16:03 [ Time ]: just to make it easier or smth
2017-06-28 16:03 melloe: nah typing is better for me
2017-06-28 16:03 [ Time ]: oke
2017-06-28 16:03 melloe: i'm not as good as expressing ideas when talking as i am with writing/typing
2017-06-28 16:03 melloe: cuz i cant edit shit as a speak
2017-06-28 16:03 melloe: 02:30:712 (4,5,6) - 
2017-06-28 16:03 [ Time ]: oh yeah true haha
2017-06-28 16:03 melloe: 5 blankets but 4 doesnt looks kinda weidr
2017-06-28 16:04 melloe: okay about aesthetic structure
2017-06-28 16:04 melloe: when i started out mapping i was always looking for ways to structure my maps
2017-06-28 16:04 melloe: like i'd actively look for ways to blanket
2017-06-28 16:04 melloe: or ways to create a shape with my circles
2017-06-28 16:05 melloe: or look for stacks or something
2017-06-28 16:05 melloe: and i'd avoid overlapping stuff
2017-06-28 16:05 melloe: cause that's the thing with creating art in general
2017-06-28 16:06 melloe: people get nervous if things lack structure
2017-06-28 16:06 melloe: i'm pretty sure that's why books and poems and films can get so dense
2017-06-28 16:06 melloe: because people are scared of putting down a word that doesn't have a meaning behind it
2017-06-28 16:06 melloe: so they pack it with meaning and as a result things are all bloated
2017-06-28 16:06 melloe: okay anyway
2017-06-28 16:06 melloe: with mapping the important thing isn't really blankets
2017-06-28 16:07 melloe: or stacking or whatever
2017-06-28 16:07 melloe: at least not with aesthetics
2017-06-28 16:07 melloe: what matters, at least what i've found
2017-06-28 16:07 melloe: is the overall "angle" of the map
2017-06-28 16:07 melloe: and also the spacing
2017-06-28 16:07 melloe: each object/pattern is going to create an angle
2017-06-28 16:08 melloe: objects include follow lines
2017-06-28 16:08 melloe: so if you NC you can free yourself of that to a certain extent
2017-06-28 16:08 melloe: so i tried something in my new map
2017-06-28 16:09 melloe: i made sure pretty much everything was slanted at a certain angle
2017-06-28 16:09 melloe: and also recently i've been using simple patterns
2017-06-28 16:09 melloe: cause like how i said before
2017-06-28 16:09 melloe: i used to be scared of doing boring stuff that wasnt new or didnt have crazy structure
2017-06-28 16:09 melloe: but even simple shit
2017-06-28 16:10 melloe: as long as they're all going at the same overall angle
2017-06-28 16:10 melloe: and they'er spaced right
2017-06-28 16:10 melloe: is going to look alright
2017-06-28 16:10 melloe: so most of my map is stuff going at 5-10 degree angles
2017-06-28 16:10 melloe: sometimes it doesnt look like it is but it is
2017-06-28 16:10 melloe: and it looks a lot better than the stuff i did before
2017-06-28 16:11 melloe: a lot of people can make stuff look good without ever using a blanket
2017-06-28 16:11 melloe: also i dont know why
2017-06-28 16:12 melloe: but 45 degrees usually doesnt look as good as 10
2017-06-28 16:12 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:12 [ Time ]: i agree
2017-06-28 16:12 melloe: that's like the unexplainable fact of mapping idk why
2017-06-28 16:12 melloe: so most things you want to maintain a consistent, cohesive angle
2017-06-28 16:12 melloe: if you dont have an angle then you want to balance things out with a circle or something
2017-06-28 16:12 melloe: so that things have a circular structure
2017-06-28 16:13 melloe: 02:15:712 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 
2017-06-28 16:13 [ Time ]: actually ngl I thought I was doing pretty good with the angles
2017-06-28 16:13 melloe: like this
2017-06-28 16:13 melloe: this has a circular structure
2017-06-28 16:13 [ Time ]: most things are 30 degree angles
2017-06-28 16:13 melloe: yeah but the other thing aside from angles is balance
2017-06-28 16:14 melloe: 02:11:400 (4,5,1) - 
2017-06-28 16:14 melloe: like this isnt too balanced
2017-06-28 16:14 melloe: 02:17:775 (3,4,5,6) - 
2017-06-28 16:14 melloe: this isnt either
2017-06-28 16:14 melloe: by the way i'm not like digging into you with criticism
2017-06-28 16:14 melloe: this is loads better than you rprevious map imo
2017-06-28 16:14 [ Time ]: nono its ok
2017-06-28 16:15 [ Time ]: lay it on me, you wont offend me at all
2017-06-28 16:15 [ Time ]: i know you're here to help me out and it's extremely appreciated
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: 02:17:400 (2,3,4) - 
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: like here
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: 2 and 3 are balanced
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: theyre at a good angle ok
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: but they balance each other out too
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: 02:18:150 (4) - 
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: but then you add 4
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: which kind of offsets the whole thing
2017-06-28 16:15 melloe: and actually you could balance it out with 5 somewhere
2017-06-28 16:16 melloe: since 3 and 4 make a balance of their own
2017-06-28 16:16 melloe: sort of
2017-06-28 16:16 melloe: if you reangled 4 ever so slightly
2017-06-28 16:16 melloe: but then you add 02:18:712 (5) - 
2017-06-28 16:16 melloe: which is for the most part balanced with 5
2017-06-28 16:17 melloe: but the problem is all these different 2-part patterns and balances are interfering with each other
2017-06-28 16:17 melloe: so in the end it looks kind of messy
2017-06-28 16:17 melloe: 02:21:150 (1,2,3) - 
2017-06-28 16:17 melloe: this is like
2017-06-28 16:17 melloe: almost balanced
2017-06-28 16:18 melloe: if you turn your head it looks like 1 and 3 are making a "bowl" and 2 is in the middle
2017-06-28 16:18 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:18 melloe: if you readjust 3 a little bit it'll be balanced
2017-06-28 16:18 melloe: but that's like
2017-06-28 16:18 melloe: kind of a blanket
2017-06-28 16:18 [ Time ]: now that you're pointing it out i'm starting to see it a lot more
2017-06-28 16:18 melloe: which is good but recently ive been exploring different ways of putting stuff together
2017-06-28 16:19 melloe: you could throw out 2 pretty much anywhere, like this
2017-06-28 16:19 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463009
2017-06-28 16:19 melloe: and you could balance it out with 3
2017-06-28 16:19 melloe: by taking 1
2017-06-28 16:19 melloe: flipping it 180
2017-06-28 16:20 melloe: and doing this or something
2017-06-28 16:20 melloe: https://puu.sh/wwNJ4.png
2017-06-28 16:20 melloe: or like, this
2017-06-28 16:20 melloe: https://puu.sh/wwNJ4.png
2017-06-28 16:21 [ Time ]: same puush
2017-06-28 16:21 melloe: oh
2017-06-28 16:21 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463020
2017-06-28 16:21 melloe: oh wait
2017-06-28 16:21 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463013
2017-06-28 16:22 melloe: both of those
2017-06-28 16:22 melloe: also like
2017-06-28 16:22 melloe: another example
2017-06-28 16:22 melloe: 02:03:712 (1,2) - 
2017-06-28 16:22 melloe: this is unbalanced in itself
2017-06-28 16:23 melloe: cause the entire slider body of 1 and the sliderend of 2
2017-06-28 16:23 melloe: make a line of 3
2017-06-28 16:23 melloe: but then the sliderbody of 2 only makes a line of 2
2017-06-28 16:23 melloe: so it's imbalanced that way
2017-06-28 16:23 melloe: you could add a 3 to balance it out like this
2017-06-28 16:24 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463036
2017-06-28 16:24 [ Time ]: oo
2017-06-28 16:24 [ Time ]: i like that a lot
2017-06-28 16:24 melloe: but then instead you add it up top
2017-06-28 16:24 melloe: which doesnt really help to rebalance things
2017-06-28 16:26 melloe: and then here
2017-06-28 16:26 melloe: 02:33:712 (4,5,6,1,2) - 
2017-06-28 16:26 [ Time ]: wait ok so for that one
2017-06-28 16:26 [ Time ]: for 4
2017-06-28 16:26 melloe: 4
2017-06-28 16:26 [ Time ]: would I take 1 and reverse it?
2017-06-28 16:26 melloe: like, with the map as it is now or the example i gave?
2017-06-28 16:26 melloe: where i reversed 2 and did the thing
2017-06-28 16:27 [ Time ]: example
2017-06-28 16:27 [ Time ]: dude also i eyeballed that picture and got it dead on
2017-06-28 16:27 [ Time ]: like what the fuck
2017-06-28 16:27 melloe: hmm
2017-06-28 16:27 [ Time ]: i just measured it and everything
2017-06-28 16:27 melloe: LOL
2017-06-28 16:27 [ Time ]: and rotated 1
2017-06-28 16:27 melloe: got emmm
2017-06-28 16:27 [ Time ]: WTF
2017-06-28 16:28 [ Time ]: ok
2017-06-28 16:28 [ Time ]: dude
2017-06-28 16:28 [ Time ]: after this
2017-06-28 16:28 [ Time ]: im going to spend some time learning about the golden ratio
2017-06-28 16:28 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463055
2017-06-28 16:28 [ Time ]: its actually like .1 degree off
2017-06-28 16:29 melloe: you got the magic touch
2017-06-28 16:29 melloe: LOL
2017-06-28 16:29 melloe: for 4 is a bit tricky
2017-06-28 16:29 melloe: you could literally copypaste 2 or 3
2017-06-28 16:29 melloe: and maybe ctrl+g it
2017-06-28 16:30 melloe: you could do this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463060
2017-06-28 16:30 [ Time ]: how do you feel
2017-06-28 16:30 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463064
2017-06-28 16:30 [ Time ]: about this
2017-06-28 16:31 melloe:  hmm
2017-06-28 16:31 melloe: visually that would be fine if you NCed 3 imo
2017-06-28 16:31 melloe: but as it is now
2017-06-28 16:31 melloe: the contrast between the way
2017-06-28 16:31 melloe: 2 moves to 3
2017-06-28 16:31 melloe: and the way 3 moves to 4 is a bit weird
2017-06-28 16:32 melloe: if you NC 1 you can do a LOT of things
2017-06-28 16:32 melloe: i mean
2017-06-28 16:32 melloe: if you NC 3
2017-06-28 16:32 [ Time ]: i actually kinda like the flow of it with 3 nc'd
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: i think that's like
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: ok-ish
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: but the reverse of direction
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: well the flip of the slider
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: as well as the fact that it goes in the same direction
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: makes it a little flimsy imo
2017-06-28 16:33 melloe: but if you NC it should be ok
2017-06-28 16:33 [ Time ]: yeah i just like it from a gameplay perspective
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: did you try to keep an equal distance between 1 and 3
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: and 1 and 4
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: following it with mouse feels natural
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: i measured it out
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: yeah imo that kind of thing isnt needed
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: and is kind of limiting
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: measuring it?
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: well making it equal distance
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: oo
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: cause the player won't notice it and 1 and 4 are so far apart in time that
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: it kind of loses its potency
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:34 [ Time ]: true
2017-06-28 16:34 melloe: i almost considered turning off hit animations like 2-3 maps back
2017-06-28 16:35 melloe: just because having a lasting impression of a now almost-irrelevant object is so misleading
2017-06-28 16:35 [ Time ]: yeah yeah for sure
2017-06-28 16:35 melloe: you could honestly just say fuck the 1 and do something else
2017-06-28 16:35 melloe: like this
2017-06-28 16:35 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463092
2017-06-28 16:35 melloe: which would work depending on what you do next
2017-06-28 16:35 melloe: i'd put something above the 2
2017-06-28 16:36 [ Time ]: hmm
2017-06-28 16:36 [ Time ]: it feels a bit jarring i think
2017-06-28 16:36 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463102 like here
2017-06-28 16:36 melloe: it might
2017-06-28 16:36 melloe: i think it looks alright
2017-06-28 16:37 melloe: especially while playing
2017-06-28 16:37 melloe: but now here we also have like
2017-06-28 16:37 melloe: it's all going at one general angle too
2017-06-28 16:37 melloe: the first 3 objects obviously make an angle
2017-06-28 16:37 [ Time ]: oo
2017-06-28 16:37 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 16:37 melloe: and the last 2 does as well
2017-06-28 16:37 melloe: the red 2 is different from the red 1 in terms of angle
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: but the red 2 is the same angle as the overall angle of the first 3 objects
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: and it's not like math where everything has to be an exact angle
2017-06-28 16:38 [ Time ]: ok i like that
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: or whatever
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: it's not like a science
2017-06-28 16:38 [ Time ]: with the last note there
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: it's just something you develop a feeling for
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: and you feel it out
2017-06-28 16:38 melloe: and then you can develop your own sense of aesthetics
2017-06-28 16:39 [ Time ]: i dont want to be rude or condescending or w/e but it actually is math
2017-06-28 16:39 [ Time ]: amateur artists use the golden ratio all the time without realizing it
2017-06-28 16:39 melloe: yeah probably
2017-06-28 16:39 melloe: but it's not like you consciously measure it out
2017-06-28 16:39 melloe: well, i don't at least
2017-06-28 16:39 melloe: it's just something i feel through
2017-06-28 16:39 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 16:39 [ Time ]: https://img.purch.com/w/640/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzA1NC8xNTMvaTAyL2dvbGRlbi1yYXRpby5qcGc/MTM3MjExNTk2Mw==
2017-06-28 16:39 melloe: like with those amateur artists
2017-06-28 16:39 [ Time ]: holy sketchy link
2017-06-28 16:39 melloe: LMAO
2017-06-28 16:40 [ Time ]: heres wikipedia but without the numbers https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fibonacci_spiral_34.svg/250px-Fibonacci_spiral_34.svg.png
2017-06-28 16:40 melloe: yea ive seen it before
2017-06-28 16:40 [ Time ]: sorry getting us off track
2017-06-28 16:40 melloe: i wonder if i use it in my mapping without knowing haha
2017-06-28 16:40 melloe: but yeah anyway
2017-06-28 16:40 melloe: with the objects that you already placed, after the ones i placed
2017-06-28 16:40 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463114
2017-06-28 16:40 melloe: those next 4 notes are also the same general angle
2017-06-28 16:41 melloe: and then the 
2017-06-28 16:41 melloe: (3) slider after it keeps it balanced
2017-06-28 16:41 melloe: so that works out 
2017-06-28 16:41 [ Time ]: oo
2017-06-28 16:41 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 16:42 [ Time ]: also would you mind if we go back to this one 02:17:775 (3) -
2017-06-28 16:42 melloe: yea
2017-06-28 16:42 [ Time ]: i was trying to measure out 3 to put it on the other side at the same distance
2017-06-28 16:42 [ Time ]: no idea how to do it since i dont know the angle and it doesnt make a triangle
2017-06-28 16:42 melloe:  that works i think
2017-06-28 16:42 melloe: well it's still balanced
2017-06-28 16:43 melloe: the (2) hitcircle
2017-06-28 16:43 melloe: 02:17:025 (2,2,3) - 
2017-06-28 16:43 melloe: like that right
2017-06-28 16:43 melloe: is that what you mean
2017-06-28 16:43 [ Time ]: the slider
2017-06-28 16:43 [ Time ]: measure from slider 3 to the head of slider 2
2017-06-28 16:43 [ Time ]: so i can mirror slider 3 on the other side of slider 2
2017-06-28 16:43 melloe: https://puu.sh/wwOxs.png
2017-06-28 16:43 melloe: like that?
2017-06-28 16:44 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463138 pardon the follow lines
2017-06-28 16:44 [ Time ]: but im also gonna do that
2017-06-28 16:44 melloe: are we looking at differnet things
2017-06-28 16:45 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:45 [ Time ]: 02:17:400 (2,3,4) -
2017-06-28 16:45 melloe: oh is the thing you sent me like
2017-06-28 16:45 melloe: something you changed it to
2017-06-28 16:45 [ Time ]: idk how that relates to what you have
2017-06-28 16:45 melloe: cause i dont have that
2017-06-28 16:45 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:46 melloe: well just those 3 notes are definitely fine
2017-06-28 16:46 melloe: the follow lines aren't too pretty but follow lines aren't SUPER important
2017-06-28 16:46 melloe: since the balance of the objects is strong enough
2017-06-28 16:46 [ Time ]: yeah i was trying to measure it out so theres notes there that shouldnt be
2017-06-28 16:47 melloe: it's only when you're putting singletap jumps and there's no apparent structure (apart from hexagrid which you can only see in editor) that everything else is weak enough for follow lines to matter
2017-06-28 16:47 melloe: smh monstrata
2017-06-28 16:47 melloe: but yeah what you have there is fine
2017-06-28 16:47 melloe: depending on the notes around it idk
2017-06-28 16:48 [ Time ]: imma update it so maybe that'll help
2017-06-28 16:48 melloe: kk
2017-06-28 16:48 [ Time ]: done
2017-06-28 16:49 [ Time ]: 02:17:400 (2) - heres timestamp of what I was working on
2017-06-28 16:49 melloe: OH i see
2017-06-28 16:49 melloe: yeah that's good
2017-06-28 16:49 melloe: i'd move the 4 EVER so slightly
2017-06-28 16:50 [ Time ]: away?
2017-06-28 16:50 melloe: down and to the left
2017-06-28 16:50 melloe: i'd also ctrl+g 4
2017-06-28 16:50 melloe: just to make it a little smoother
2017-06-28 16:50 [ Time ]: but yeah that was what I was trying to measure out lol
2017-06-28 16:50 melloe: but not ctrl+g is good too
2017-06-28 16:50 melloe: yeah that's good
2017-06-28 16:51 [ Time ]: 02:19:275 (6) - though kinda lost on here
2017-06-28 16:51 melloe: i would flip it 
2017-06-28 16:51 melloe: but otherwise
2017-06-28 16:51 melloe: nothing wrong as far as i can see
2017-06-28 16:51 melloe: pretty good
2017-06-28 16:51 melloe: like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463187
2017-06-28 16:51 melloe: oh and also i would NC the 5
2017-06-28 16:52 [ Time ]: actually
2017-06-28 16:52 [ Time ]: hmm
2017-06-28 16:52 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463190
2017-06-28 16:52 [ Time ]: it kinda mirrors 3
2017-06-28 16:52 [ Time ]: even though thats way earlier
2017-06-28 16:53 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463195 or maybe this
2017-06-28 16:53 melloe: yeah that's a bit earler
2017-06-28 16:53 melloe: well we'll talk about the first one first
2017-06-28 16:53 melloe: mirroring it with the 3 MIGHT work but
2017-06-28 16:53 melloe: you have to worry more about the objects near it
2017-06-28 16:53 melloe: which is 5
2017-06-28 16:53 [ Time ]: really abstract
2017-06-28 16:53 melloe: and that's imbalanced cause
2017-06-28 16:54 melloe: the slider body pretty much aligns exactly with the sliderhead of 6
2017-06-28 16:54 melloe: so that line/angle is REALLY heavy
2017-06-28 16:54 melloe: but the sliderbody of 6 is just on its own
2017-06-28 16:54 melloe: and is weak
2017-06-28 16:54 melloe: but
2017-06-28 16:54 melloe: the second one
2017-06-28 16:55 melloe: which is mirroring the 
2017-06-28 16:55 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463195
2017-06-28 16:55 melloe: this
2017-06-28 16:55 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 16:55 melloe: that would work
2017-06-28 16:55 melloe: ofc i would put 1 and 6 into the same combo
2017-06-28 16:55 [ Time ]: holy hes learning
2017-06-28 16:55 melloe: helll yeah
2017-06-28 16:56 melloe: but even without the combo
2017-06-28 16:56 melloe: it works
2017-06-28 16:56 melloe: and at that angle
2017-06-28 16:56 melloe: 6 and 5 arent so imbalanced anymore
2017-06-28 16:56 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 16:56 [ Time ]: alright time to remove all the learning i did
2017-06-28 16:56 [ Time ]: 02:19:837 (4) - i flipped this
2017-06-28 16:56 [ Time ]: and kept the note before where it is
2017-06-28 16:56 [ Time ]: 02:20:400 (1) - and flipped this
2017-06-28 16:57 melloe: uhh SS me
2017-06-28 16:57 [ Time ]: i highlighted 2
2017-06-28 16:57 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463213
2017-06-28 16:57 melloe: oh yeah
2017-06-28 16:58 melloe: aesthetically ctrl+g is perfectly okay in most cases
2017-06-28 16:58 melloe: doesnt affect visual shapes
2017-06-28 16:58 melloe: so what you have now is fine
2017-06-28 16:58 [ Time ]: okay
2017-06-28 16:58 melloe: except alight 5 with 4
2017-06-28 16:58 melloe: align*
2017-06-28 16:58 melloe: so the slider bodies fit into each other
2017-06-28 16:58 [ Time ]: yeah i did
2017-06-28 16:58 [ Time ]: good ol 10 degree rotate
2017-06-28 16:59 [ Time ]: makes it fit perfectly
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: actually the interesting thing is
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: if you do something that doesnt look good
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: but then you make it obvious and repeat it
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: it ends up looking nice
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: like
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: https://puu.sh/wwP6X.png
2017-06-28 16:59 melloe: if you take this and make it  obvious
2017-06-28 16:59 [ Time ]: oo yea
2017-06-28 17:00 [ Time ]: the repetition will make it look better
2017-06-28 17:00 melloe: like this
2017-06-28 17:00 melloe: puush please
2017-06-28 17:00 melloe: okay fuck it
2017-06-28 17:00 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463231
2017-06-28 17:00 melloe: like that
2017-06-28 17:02 [ Time ]: yeah that looks nice
2017-06-28 17:03 melloe: but yeah
2017-06-28 17:03 melloe: just remember to keep things balanced somehow
2017-06-28 17:03 melloe: hwether it be by keeping it the same-ish angle or making a circular structure
2017-06-28 17:03 melloe: and even if something looks bad
2017-06-28 17:03 melloe: there's probably a way to make it look good
2017-06-28 17:04 melloe: jus tkeep mapping and you'll develop a sense for it where you dont even have to think
2017-06-28 17:04 melloe: and also
2017-06-28 17:04 melloe: dont be scared to make things look ugly
2017-06-28 17:04 melloe: for a long time i was always nervous to o something outside my rigid sense of aesthetics
2017-06-28 17:05 melloe: or something that i thought looked ugly
2017-06-28 17:05 melloe: like a circle over a slider body
2017-06-28 17:05 melloe: but then i saw mappers who made it look like they didnt give a shit
2017-06-28 17:05 melloe: and just threw circles over whatever
2017-06-28 17:05 melloe: but it still looked good
2017-06-28 17:05 [ Time ]: yea
2017-06-28 17:06 [ Time ]: also i updated if you could take a look at 02:21:712 (2,3,4,5,6) -
2017-06-28 17:06 [ Time ]: dude and also ive said this a bunch but you're a saint
2017-06-28 17:06 [ Time ]: if theres ever anything i can do for you dont hesitate
2017-06-28 17:07 melloe: thanks haha
2017-06-28 17:07 [ Time ]: also drop a nc on 02:22:837 (1) -
2017-06-28 17:08 melloe: hmm
2017-06-28 17:08 melloe: 02:21:150 (1,2,3) -  is like
2017-06-28 17:08 melloe: slightly imbalanced
2017-06-28 17:09 melloe: cause
2017-06-28 17:09 melloe: if you looka t the follow line
2017-06-28 17:09 melloe: it looks like there's 1 follow line
2017-06-28 17:09 melloe: and the head of 2 is a different distance from 1
2017-06-28 17:09 melloe: than it is from 3
2017-06-28 17:10 melloe: so it looks like sliders are strung up on a line
2017-06-28 17:10 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 17:10 melloe: but if you moved 2 down
2017-06-28 17:10 [ Time ]: so even it out?
2017-06-28 17:10 melloe: it would probably look better
2017-06-28 17:10 [ Time ]: ok
2017-06-28 17:10 melloe: if you made it all vertical
2017-06-28 17:11 melloe: https://puu.sh/wwPvu.png
2017-06-28 17:11 melloe: and then you can move 1 to the right
2017-06-28 17:11 melloe: to continue on that circle thing you did which was good
2017-06-28 17:12 melloe: so yeah you basically had it
2017-06-28 17:12 melloe: just remember to keep spacing consistent
2017-06-28 17:12 [ Time ]: oke
2017-06-28 17:12 [ Time ]: ty
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: anyway yeah
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: everything i said is just a guideline
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: the only real rule is to make it work somehow
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: and dont hesitate to experiment
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: like
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: 3 months ago if you asked me
2017-06-28 17:13 melloe: 3 months ago if you showed me this
2017-06-28 17:14 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463309
2017-06-28 17:14 melloe: i'd definitely never ever have ever thought of that
2017-06-28 17:14 melloe: because i would have just put the 3 in a blanket or something
2017-06-28 17:14 melloe: put the 2*
2017-06-28 17:14 melloe: in a blanket of the 4*
2017-06-28 17:14 [ Time ]: that kinda trips me out a little lmao
2017-06-28 17:15 melloe: yea i'd have put it in a blanket and it would have looked fine
2017-06-28 17:15 melloe: but i would have missed the opportunity to put the 2 there
2017-06-28 17:15 melloe: and it looks cool
2017-06-28 17:15 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 17:16 melloe: also maybe i'm biased but
2017-06-28 17:16 melloe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8463323
2017-06-28 17:16 melloe: if you had showed that to me like 2 months earlier
2017-06-28 17:16 melloe: i would never in my whole life have thought of that
2017-06-28 17:16 melloe: cause iw ould have been too busy
2017-06-28 17:16 melloe: putting it in a blanket or stacking it
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: or even doing what's in the screenshot
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: except in the middle of the slider
2017-06-28 17:17 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: instead of the on the left
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: but now i did that
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: it looks cooler imo
2017-06-28 17:17 [ Time ]: it really does
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: so yeah just rmeember there are a trillion ways to make things look good
2017-06-28 17:17 melloe: and some might be things that you previously thought were ugly
2017-06-28 17:18 [ Time ]: yeah
2017-06-28 17:18 [ Time ]: just need to play more
2017-06-28 17:18 [ Time ]: i mean map more
2017-06-28 17:18 melloe: LOL
2017-06-28 17:23 melloe: anyways yeah that's all i have to say about aesthestics
2017-06-28 17:23 melloe: i said a lot of random things
2017-06-28 17:23 melloe: and hopefully it wasn't too unclear haha
2017-06-28 17:23 melloe: it's not easy to explain cause it's so subjective and intuition-based
2017-06-28 17:23 [ Time ]: it helped a lot
2017-06-28 17:23 melloe: :d
2017-06-28 17:24 [ Time ]: c:

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20:42 PolkaMocha: http://wallpaperswide.com/love_cafe-wallpapers.html
20:44 [ Time ]: i get it and it makes a lot of sense but im not really a fan of the cutesy artstyle :(
20:44 PolkaMocha: oh I see
20:44 [ Time ]: im turning into a filthy normie fam help
20:44 PolkaMocha: looool all good normies are cool too
20:45 [ Time ]: ;,ap
20:45 [ Time ]: lmao*
20:45 PolkaMocha: wtf that wasnt even close
20:46 PolkaMocha: u ok
20:46 [ Time ]: no
20:46 [ Time ]: i think i lost a friend by telling him i didnt like the hitsounds he spent 2 hours on for bubble tea
20:46 PolkaMocha: I dont either lol
20:46 [ Time ]: o
20:46 [ Time ]: those hitsounds are mine
20:46 [ Time ]: ill send you his
20:46 PolkaMocha: OH
20:46 PolkaMocha: HAHAHA
20:46 [ Time ]: LOL
20:46 [ Time ]: http://puu.sh/wxMp2/2cfc8a0494.osz
20:46 [ Time ]: here u go man
20:47 PolkaMocha: Would you be okay with an abstract wallpaper
20:47 [ Time ]: hit me with it fam
20:47 [ Time ]: also be more like that ^
20:47 [ Time ]: be brutally honest pls
20:47 [ Time ]: and ty
20:48 PolkaMocha: more like what
20:48 PolkaMocha: oh
20:48 PolkaMocha: His hitsounds are uh
20:48 PolkaMocha: really quiet :/ c
20:48 [ Time ]: owo
20:48 [ Time ]: yeah they kind of are arent they
20:48 PolkaMocha: I dont get it. That's  like a fad of modern mapping
20:48 [ Time ]: i dont even know how he managed that the volume is the same
20:49 [ Time ]: dude ikr?
20:49 PolkaMocha: whose hitsounds can be the quietest
20:49 PolkaMocha: and least noticeable from the music
20:49 [ Time ]: i had it at 60% volume and map at 75% music and 100% effects and like 4 people told me the hitsounds were too loud
20:49 [ Time ]: like what i could barely hear it at what I had
20:50 PolkaMocha: Eh I just kinda ignore those people
20:50 PolkaMocha: http://wallpaperswide.com/colorful_glitter-wallpapers.html
20:50 PolkaMocha: hows this
20:50 [ Time ]: oo
20:50 [ Time ]: thats actually pretty nice
20:50 PolkaMocha: \:D/
20:51 [ Time ]: yea thats nice
20:51 [ Time ]: ty
20:51 PolkaMocha: Yw :DD
20:51 [ Time ]: c:
20:52 PolkaMocha: Are you cool with irc mods
20:52 [ Time ]: yea yea
20:52 PolkaMocha: Wanna do that 
20:52 [ Time ]: i prefer irc to forum posts anyways
20:52 [ Time ]: yee
20:52 PolkaMocha: OH NEATO CHEETO
20:52 PolkaMocha: Okie dokie
20:52 [ Time ]: cuz then I can ask questions and understand your decisions
20:52 PolkaMocha: Ya
20:52 PolkaMocha: So uh, no custom combo colors? 
20:53 [ Time ]: owo
20:53 [ Time ]: i forgot those were a thing
20:53 [ Time ]: well
20:53 [ Time ]: with my new handy dandy wallpaper
20:53 [ Time ]: i can choose combo colors that are like colors to that
20:53 PolkaMocha: Hoowie
20:53 PolkaMocha: My tip is to pick colors to compliment not match
20:53 [ Time ]: okay
20:54 PolkaMocha: so avoid pastel pink and magenta and go for like orange blue emerald etc
20:55 [ Time ]: damn you're good at colors
20:55 [ Time ]: i had to pull up a fking color wheel and triple check it to reach the same conclusion
20:55 PolkaMocha: LOL
20:55 PolkaMocha: 3 years of art class
20:55 [ Time ]: damn son
20:55 [ Time ]: explains the good maps ;)
20:55 PolkaMocha: it was worth something other than disappointing my parents yesssss
20:56 PolkaMocha: AW U
20:56 [ Time ]: ay
20:57 PolkaMocha: 00:00:712 - I really feel like this tick is louder, so to have something land on it doesnt make sense
20:58 PolkaMocha: I would make (1) a repeat and move two over in the timeline
20:58 PolkaMocha: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8472368 So basically this (timeline not the grid)
21:00 [ Time ]: hmmmm
21:01 [ Time ]: i think i like it repeat -> circle -> slider
21:01 [ Time ]: rather than repeat -> slider -> circle
21:01 PolkaMocha: Okay
21:01 PolkaMocha: Can I ask, you said this isnt very traditional, so what exactly is the theme here
21:02 PolkaMocha: Is it music sensetive spacing?
21:02 [ Time ]: ok, so I was trying to go for a different gimmick in several spots
21:02 PolkaMocha: o
21:02 [ Time ]: i should put down bookmarks where the gimmicks change
21:02 PolkaMocha: Well if your mapping is solid enough
21:02 PolkaMocha: that shouldnt be necessary
21:02 [ Time ]: yea
21:03 [ Time ]: so up to here 00:36:525 (6) - is fairly standard mapping but with a few changes
21:03 [ Time ]: kinda easing into it
21:03 [ Time ]: sliders stacking on each other
21:03 [ Time ]: and notes stacking a lot
21:03 [ Time ]: then from here 00:42:150 (1) - to 01:06:150 (1) - here is only mapping to the background
21:04 [ Time ]: except for one part which follows vocals
21:04 [ Time ]: 00:51:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
21:04 PolkaMocha: I wouldnt switch there tbh
21:04 PolkaMocha: I would stick to it to solidfy your gimmick.
21:05 [ Time ]: it wasnt really switching it was just going full force into it
21:05 [ Time ]: since now theres an extreme stacking of sliders with notes after them
21:05 PolkaMocha: 01:05:400 (5,6) - here is good though
21:05 PolkaMocha: Well what I meant was
21:05 [ Time ]: ty
21:05 PolkaMocha: stick to mapping the music
21:05 PolkaMocha: not the vocals
21:06 [ Time ]: oo
21:06 PolkaMocha: it helps keep your gimmick solid
21:06 [ Time ]: yeah i understand that
21:07 [ Time ]: i did switch it here 01:06:712 (1) -  to be a lot of 45/90 degree angles
21:07 [ Time ]: its all grid snapped
21:07 [ Time ]: for the whole kiai
21:07 PolkaMocha: Thats jazzy
21:07 PolkaMocha: I liked that
21:07 [ Time ]: c:
21:07 PolkaMocha: But remember
21:07 PolkaMocha: players who play arent going to be like "oh this whole section is grid snapped"
21:08 PolkaMocha: But dont worry
21:08 PolkaMocha: this gimmick is super obvious with the slider shapes
21:08 PolkaMocha: So good on ya there :D
21:08 [ Time ]: yeah it was more going for squares and rectangles than grid snapping for the gimmick :p
21:08 PolkaMocha: Got it
21:09 [ Time ]: then moving on after that the sliders going with pitch of the music
21:09 [ Time ]: new combo whenever it goes to a higher pitch
21:09 PolkaMocha: o
21:09 PolkaMocha: ok
21:09 [ Time ]: 02:01:087 (1) - reset phase
21:09 [ Time ]: in preparation of the mapping style changing for second half
21:10 PolkaMocha: ok
21:10 [ Time ]: 02:30:525 (1) - now only mapping to vocals and ignoring the background almost entirely
21:10 [ Time ]: 02:30:525 (1) - no note here for that reason
21:10 [ Time ]: 02:30:150 - *
21:11 PolkaMocha:  I get that
21:11 PolkaMocha: cool slider shapes
21:11 [ Time ]: ty
21:11 [ Time ]: and believe it or not
21:11 [ Time ]: the mapping to vocals sticks through the kiai
21:11 PolkaMocha: interesting change
21:11 PolkaMocha: okay
21:12 [ Time ]: yeah the only part in the entire song where the sv changes lol
21:12 [ Time ]: and I tried to mimic the sounds
21:12 PolkaMocha: Okay
21:12 PolkaMocha: I got it
21:12 PolkaMocha: 01:11:587 (1) - 
21:12 [ Time ]: A being sharp, ah being slightly curved and oh being a circle
21:12 [ Time ]: yee
21:12 PolkaMocha: how come this sound is ignored in the chorus
21:12 [ Time ]: of the first kiai?
21:13 [ Time ]: I kind of felt it was vocals, and I mapped it in the second kiai
21:13 PolkaMocha: yeah
21:13 PolkaMocha: ,,,?
21:13 PolkaMocha: theyre trap drums
21:13 [ Time ]: in a way
21:13 [ Time ]: hmm
21:13 PolkaMocha: that goes to the background
21:13 [ Time ]: i hear like a gutteral "oh" being repeated and distorted ah's after
21:13 PolkaMocha: it really should be switch
21:14 PolkaMocha: to where the trap drums get mapped on first kiai and ignored on second
21:15 [ Time ]: idk to me I just can hear it being anything other than an organic sound being ran through software
21:15 PolkaMocha: :/
21:15 PolkaMocha: okay
21:15 PolkaMocha: 01:25:650 (1,2,3) - 
21:15 PolkaMocha: why are these so close on o
21:16 [ Time ]: actually
21:16 [ Time ]: its because
21:16 [ Time ]: i dont know
21:16 [ Time ]: ill fix it
21:16 PolkaMocha: hahaha
21:17 PolkaMocha: 01:30:150 (1) - This shouldnt still be hexgridded
21:17 PolkaMocha: when I was playing I got bored here
21:17 PolkaMocha: A new pattern would be dandy
21:17 [ Time ]: hmhmhm
21:17 [ Time ]: yeah i can see that
21:18 [ Time ]: the only time it stuck out with me and i really liked it was when i originally mapped it
21:18 [ Time ]: and its not really that hard to read which is another gimmick just throughout the map
21:18 PolkaMocha: Ill assume that means you'll change it?
21:18 [ Time ]: yeah
21:18 PolkaMocha: ok
21:18 [ Time ]: any suggestions?
21:18 PolkaMocha: Wasnt sure haha
21:18 PolkaMocha: Uhhhhhh\
21:19 [ Time ]: its fine if you dont have any
21:19 PolkaMocha: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8472484
21:19 PolkaMocha: Something like this would be fun
21:20 [ Time ]: oooo
21:22 PolkaMocha: 02:32:212 (1) - Why the hell isnt this a star shape
21:22 PolkaMocha: reported
21:24 [ Time ]: i dont know how to make it a star
21:24 [ Time ]: im sorry
21:24 PolkaMocha: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8472504
21:24 PolkaMocha: a r t s t u d e n t 
21:26 [ Time ]: holy
21:26 [ Time ]: you're a legend
21:26 [ Time ]: how
21:26 PolkaMocha: I just drew a star LOL
21:28 [ Time ]: help my star looks retarded
21:28 PolkaMocha: ss
21:28 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8472522 lmfao
21:28 PolkaMocha: what the hell is that
21:29 [ Time ]: i just
21:29 [ Time ]: i dont know man
21:29 PolkaMocha: okay hol up
21:29 PolkaMocha: top point we'll call first point
21:29 [ Time ]: wait
21:29 [ Time ]: i think i did it
21:29 PolkaMocha: sho
21:29 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8472526
21:30 PolkaMocha: I would bring that bottom middle point up one
21:30 [ Time ]: it really bugs me that the pentagon i made is unbalanced
21:30 PolkaMocha: else thats it
21:30 PolkaMocha: Everything else is boogietastic
21:30 [ Time ]: lmao
21:30 PolkaMocha: 03:48:900 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - why the hell
21:30 PolkaMocha: do these not
21:30 [ Time ]: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8472529 i actually just brought the feet down one instead
21:31 PolkaMocha: decrease in speed
21:31 PolkaMocha: oh lord
21:31 PolkaMocha: uhhhh
21:31 PolkaMocha: thatll do 
21:31 PolkaMocha: It looks a little squishedf
21:31 [ Time ]: i think it emphasized the star shape a bit more
21:31 PolkaMocha: fair enough
21:31 [ Time ]: it also really bugged me that bringing it up one ruined the pentagon
21:31 PolkaMocha: o
21:31 [ Time ]: even if it is unbalanced as it is LUL
21:32 PolkaMocha: aightyyyyyyy
21:32 PolkaMocha: But yeah those ending sliders bother the shit out of me
21:32 PolkaMocha: dass it
21:32 [ Time ]: LOL
21:32 [ Time ]: yea
21:33 PolkaMocha: pls make them decrease in speed holy bologna