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deadbeat
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deadbeat

h3oCharles wrote:

also, what about throwing old-meta skins into a separate section? Like kawaiipandah's Kagamine Len Rin and Nightcore HD

Are you kidding me? For the record, I view the Nightcore HD skin as an incredibly good skin that people should look to for quality reasons.
While a lot of the skins in there are missing a few new things because of updates that have occurred over the years, I don't think I'd want to throw them out.
h3oCharles
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Joined July 2016
h3oCharles

deadbeat wrote:

h3oCharles wrote:

also, what about throwing old-meta skins into a separate section? Like kawaiipandah's Kagamine Len Rin and Nightcore HD
Are you kidding me? For the record, I view the Nightcore HD skin as an incredibly good skin that people should look to for quality reasons.
While a lot of the skins in there are missing a few new things because of updates that have occurred over the years, I don't think I'd want to throw them out.
geez, I'm only asking
and yea, these firework hitbursts are really something unique. sry for going offtopic
RockRoller
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RockRoller
Some people also enjoy old skins. I would simply put every skin in there, no matter if it is a old or new one.
Geroyuni
67 posts
Joined February 2016
Geroyuni
Where should questions go? Been seeing a lot pop up as new threads while the skinning section's rules kinda imply that it should be going to mlgnom's thread
RockRoller
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RockRoller

Geroyuni wrote:

Where should questions go? Been seeing a lot pop up as new threads while the skinning section's rules kinda imply that it should be going to mlgnom's thread

I think they should be posted in the forum. The Post is really chaotic and you need to wait a long time to get an answer, if you ever get one.
deadbeat
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deadbeat
Stefan and I cleaned up the pinned threads a bit. Let us know if it's better now, or if you think something else should go.
Stefan
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Stefan

RockRoller wrote:

Geroyuni wrote:

Where should questions go? Been seeing a lot pop up as new threads while the skinning section's rules kinda imply that it should be going to mlgnom's thread
I think they should be posted in the forum. The Post is really chaotic and you need to wait a long time to get an answer, if you ever get one.
Would suggest to have a thread, clearly stated by the title to put your questions there but from experience I know that 50% will keep asking outside of said area so it may not work completely fine.
O2MasterFX
496 posts
Joined April 2014
O2MasterFX

deadbeat wrote:

Stefan and I cleaned up the pinned threads a bit. Let us know if it's better now, or if you think something else should go.
Make the important pinned thread entitled in all caps to let other people read before posting.
Stefan
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Stefan
I don't know if capitalization is "stronger" than a big button saying "New Topic". People tend to click them instead because it's easier for them than reading stuff. One reason because laziness, another because they really have problems to understand it, although the english used in osu! isn't really complicated.
autoteleology
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Joined October 2014
autoteleology
I personally think that there are still three more stickies that can go

How to make spinners symmetrical is a thread that does not need stickied. Is this somehow still an issue in 2017? How hard is it to make a circle and center align it?

Skinnable files list is obsolete. That info is all in the wiki.

How to adjust my skin.ini is also obsolete for the same reason.

It would also be great to have some kind of separation for questions and FAQs, and skins. I think it would be smarter to make the main forum for questions and a subforum for skins, because the people who are asking questions are the ones who are more likely to put their thread the first place they see. I also think that the rules should be made the sole announcement and everything else made a sticky so that that thread is the first thing you see when you come into the forum as it is on top and separated from everything else
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O2MasterFX
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Joined April 2014
O2MasterFX
Well, the wiki has been replaced with the new site so the thread has to be around for some times until the wiki is completed.

And make spinner symmetrical thread should go to FAQ section, like you suggested.
Geroyuni
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Joined February 2016
Geroyuni
Here's something. Honestly just throwing ideas at you guys, found this interesting. Text inside that box is just an example.
deadbeat
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deadbeat

Philosofikal wrote:

I personally think that there are still three more stickies that can go
How to make spinners symmetrical is a thread that does not need stickied. Is this somehow still an issue in 2017? How hard is it to make a circle and center align it?

You'd think that, but the thread existed, so clearly some people did have trouble with that in the first place.

Philosofikal wrote:

Skinnable files list is obsolete. That info is all in the wiki.
How to adjust my skin.ini is also obsolete for the same reason.
It would also be great to have some kind of separation for questions and FAQs, and skins. I think it would be smarter to make the main forum for questions and a subforum for skins, because the people who are asking questions are the ones who are more likely to put their thread the first place they see. I also think that the rules should be made the sole announcement and everything else made a sticky so that that thread is the first thing you see when you come into the forum as it is on top and separated from everything else

Yeah, I guess adding a link to the both wiki pages for skinning information for the time being would be better suited as that can be more freely updated by anyone. Also I might keep the default skin thread announced as well. In the future it won't matter so much though since on the new forums, stuff is either pinned, or not pinned.
h3oCharles
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h3oCharles

Philosofikal wrote:

How to make spinners symmetrical is a thread that does not need stickied. Is this somehow still an issue in 2017? How hard is it to make a circle and center align it?
Yes, it still is, especially for newbie skinners.

Speaking of newbies, what about ppl reposting OPs?
RockRoller
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RockRoller

Philosofikal wrote:

Skinnable files list is obsolete. That info is all in the wiki.
The list on the wiki isnt as good as the list. The list also features way more informations.

Stefan the english is really easy, but many people can't even understand that little bit english. Maybe translating at least the rules to another languages could be an idea.

And h3oCharles, what are OPs?

Edit: I also really like the idea to seperate completed skins, Skins that are WIP/pending for completet status and question/general talk about skinning.
Lyawi
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Lyawi

RockRoller wrote:

Stefan the english is really easy, but many people can't even understand that little bit english. Maybe translating at least the rules to another languages could be an idea.
Why people shouldn't be able to understand simplified English. I don't like your idea
deadbeat
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deadbeat
OP = Opening Post/Poster
I've had a talk with him about that, and it's a bit more tricky to combat as there's no actual way to stop it. For the moment, it's something that needs to be manually dealt with.
RockRoller
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RockRoller

Lyawi wrote:

RockRoller wrote:

Stefan the english is really easy, but many people can't even understand that little bit english. Maybe translating at least the rules to another languages could be an idea.
Why people shouldn't be able to understand simplified English. I don't like your idea
Rethinking about that, it would be stupid.. they could read the rules but couldn't do anything more..
h3oCharles
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h3oCharles

RockRoller wrote:

I also really like the idea to separate completed Skins, Skins that are WIP/pending for complete status and question/general talk about skinning.
+1 on that, ppl can look at WIP skins and give feedback while not getting lost in the already answered questions that are here for <1 year
RockRoller
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RockRoller

h3oCharles wrote:

+1 on that, ppl can look at WIP skins and give feedback while not getting lost in the already answered questions that are here for <1 year
But I think it would be hard to do it. There are 116 Pages in this forum (112 or so after some got moved to completed) you would need to sort.
crystalsuicune
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Joined May 2008
crystalsuicune
Wait,hold the goddamn phone.

We have mods?!



Jokes aside,this place does need a major clean-up.It's been slightly better these days,
but there's those times when mixed skin after mixed skin pop up and you're getting tired
of reminding them of the rules.

It probably hurts more when original skins get pushed down the thread list by mixed skin #562346326

Of course there's bound to be people who know about the rules and decide to ignore them anyways,
but hopefully making the rules more visible would help with the bunch who would follow the rules if they knew about them.


As for the Completed Skins subforum…To be honest that post from deadbeat a page or two back rubbed me the wrong way.
Sure we could work together to manage the quene and not place the burden on deadbeat alone,
in the end it's the -mods- who have the forum tools to move threads.
You can't just start a project like this,run off,then blame us for not doing the job you're supposed to be doing.

Least we could do is recompile another new Skin Emporium and boot off the old thread I guess?
In that case then what's the point of keeping the subforum around in the first place?
If it's for better visibility,then returning to a single stickied thread again would be a step backwards.
deadbeat
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deadbeat

crystalsuicune wrote:

As for the Completed Skins subforum…To be honest that post from deadbeat a page or two back rubbed me the wrong way.
Sure we could work together to manage the quene and not place the burden on deadbeat alone,
in the end it's the -mods- who have the forum tools to move threads.
You can't just start a project like this,run off,then blame us for not doing the job you're supposed to be doing.
Yeah, I do agree. I do have no one to blame aside from myself, however the point I was trying to get across is that mods aren't the only who should have to do everything. I'd rather encourage people to help out more in small ways and not just leave all the heavy lifting to the mods. Sure we're the only ones with the powers required to lock/move threads, but at the same time, people are always free to reach out to us to ask for help. Waiting for help to arrive on it's own doesn't really work all the time.
I hope that kind of explains myself a bit better. Explanations and stuff have never been a strong point of mine.
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Lee
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Joined February 2015
Lee

crystalsuicune wrote:

To be honest that post from deadbeat a page or two back rubbed me the wrong way.
Sure we could work together to manage the queue and not place the burden on deadbeat alone,
in the end it's the -mods- who have the forum tools to move threads.
You can't just start a project like this,run off,then blame us for not doing the job you're supposed to be doing.
I think you slightly misunderstood the purpose of deadbeats original post regarding extra help from outside the official osu moderation team, overall he's suggesting in a strong fashion that users outside the respective administration should contribute towards a better skinning subforum (or in general just help out where it's needed).

Not only does he mention that, but in a similar fashion he states that "it's not the moderators job to take care of everything", we're a community, we can literally support the forum or game in any way shape or form. All that this takes is less discussion and more action from the community itself. These demands for change won't happen faster with or without the help of the moderation team and you will only stress them more by pressuring that they are not "doing good enough" or doing "nothing".

We're supposed to inspire new changes, not force them. The same way as we shouldn't force someone to do everything them self just because we haven't been crowned an official licensed moderator.

Correct me if you disagree in any way but it's annoying to watch pages and pages of requests and changes when all the changes that are being made are forced to be done by 2 people, you can always stretch out a hand in my opinion.

(edit: just realized deadbeat replied, this is slightly awkward but all of this was written before any replies were made)
crystalsuicune
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crystalsuicune

deadbeat wrote:

crystalsuicune wrote:

As for the Completed Skins subforum…To be honest that post from deadbeat a page or two back rubbed me the wrong way.
Sure we could work together to manage the quene and not place the burden on deadbeat alone,
in the end it's the -mods- who have the forum tools to move threads.
You can't just start a project like this,run off,then blame us for not doing the job you're supposed to be doing.
Yeah, I do agree. I do have no one to blame aside from myself, however the point I was trying to get across is that mods aren't the only who should have to do everything. I'd rather encourage people to help out more in small ways and not just leave all the heavy lifting to the mods. Sure we're the only ones with the powers required to lock/move threads, but at the same time, people are always free to reach out to us to ask for help. Waiting for help to arrive on it's own doesn't really work all the time.
I hope that kind of explains myself a bit better. Explanations and stuff have never been a strong point of mine.
In that case fair enough.
We're in this shit together after all,and sorry if I came off as being a dick.
RockRoller
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RockRoller
You guys are right, this place is a mess and needs a clean-up. There are many mixed-skins left in this forum, which got never deleted.
ANd yes, we should help the mods (deadbeat), but there isn't much left we can do. The queue for the ccompleted skins subforum is nearlly finished. Most people did'nt submitted there skins :/

The only thing we can do is send the mods link to mixed.skins if we still find some
deadbeat
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deadbeat

crystalsuicune wrote:

In that case fair enough.
We're in this shit together after all,and sorry if I came off as being a dick.
No, it's fine. I don't mind people calling me out like that. Feel free to do so.
crystalsuicune
6,436 posts
Joined May 2008
crystalsuicune
By the way did someone mention something about making the main forum for questions and a subforum for skins?
I'd say questions/tutorials work better as their own subforum really (even better if said forum's divided further by sections like interface/std/taiko/ctb/mania?)

Right now,all questions are shoved into one single megathread.Now while that means you only need to deal with one thread,it also means you have to comb through the whole thread just to see if your question has been asked before.There's in-thread searching at least,but IIRC the search function is a bit on the clunkier side (as in it shows really old posts first so you don't get the latest info) I'm not sure if that's fixed in the new forum design,but yeah.

Besides,it also means there's pretty much zero organization within the thread,everything's all jumbled up.

Having a separate subforum for questions declutters things and makes it easier for skinners to find/give advice more effectively.
h3oCharles
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Joined July 2016
h3oCharles
Problem is, is that there's already a Help forum
Caput Mortuum
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Joined March 2016
Caput Mortuum
General questions subforum for mapping exists and it's barely used or even visited
Most people will just go over help for technical issues
h3oCharles
1,488 posts
Joined July 2016
h3oCharles
Just came to my mind, there was somewhere that skinning thread template thingy, maybe change it so it can have some BBCode?
atturbo555
196 posts
Joined January 2015
atturbo555
And bad things. Mixed skin is comeback Again.
Without Screenshots, Made in osuskinner.com, weeb title & more.
From Skinning Guidelines -> Skinning Rules & They're Not read again. :thinking:

I don't sure we need more skin mods. Or don't need any skin mods.

O2MasterFX
496 posts
Joined April 2014
O2MasterFX
^ Calm down, there will always mixed skins for now. We're discussing this together about the future of skinning section. Dedbit, Stefan, and Flanster are the only mods around. They have other things to do too. For now we help them by inducing every other people to read the rules and reduce other people's interest about their mixed skins.

I see you around in mixed skin thread. It's good that you remind them. Next time, if you see someone already remind the thread owner. Don't remind them anymore. If they haven't been told, remind them, then let it go into wasteland, unless they give explanation to their skin. We need to make them go into page 2 as fast as possible, so other people won't see their mixed skins.

Once the decision has been made, mods will start cleaning this subforum and we (hopefully) won't see mixed skins anymore.
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h3oCharles
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Joined July 2016
h3oCharles
I've been told by deadbeat that we can Forum PM or Discord DM him links for threads that need investigating. Use that to your advantage I guess
O2MasterFX
496 posts
Joined April 2014
O2MasterFX
Yeah, but we can't fully rely on him. He has things to do too. Right now, we need to make mixed skins go to page 2 (or page 3 if possible, even page 4, odd page 5).
deadbeat
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deadbeat
I'm kind of tempted to just put a full halt on mixed skins. I feel like it'd be better to just promoted original content, while still allowing things like collaboration skins and being able to pick up and finish unfinished skins (with permission though).

This whole mixed skins are ok with permission sounds nice in theory, but I feel like moving away from that is the better move here. I'd need to discuss with other mods first though. Some might have other viewpoints on this.
Dinostache
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Joined April 2014
Dinostache
I think there should be a place specific for mix skin.
Sure, mix skins are a plague for skinners.
Some player don't care, some care.
I like mix skin but nobody do it in a good way.
I do enjoy when a random guy tweaks some skins to make them more playable.
But i rater do it myself because i feel like I don't respect the rules.
most people create mix skin for them self and they share them. I think this doesn't makes sense because it's a personal skin.
Sure, It does make sense when you are a popular player and you have 99 thousands and plus fans.
But everyone can make a mix skin in 24 hours and this is the reason why the ratio in the skin thread is terrible!
I think if we could add a ranking system for skin or a simple thread for mix skin should help a little bit.
Nobody can shut down or kill this plague but redirecting it can be possible.
I could be wrong, I'm not a good skinner. I do mix skins a lot but i don't share them at least! #triggered
RockRoller
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RockRoller
Sure, some player might enjoy mixed skins, cause they kight be better than the original.
But this place isn't for sharing the best playable skin. This place is for sharing original skins. No matter if they are good playable or not.
If somebody want a good playable skin, he/she should download the most popular skins like yugen or from any top player.
A ranking for skins? I think we allready have it. The Views a post gets are more or less the ranking.
crystalsuicune
6,436 posts
Joined May 2008
crystalsuicune
Y'know,at this point I kinda wish we could sage our posts,
that way we can remind them of the rules without bumping the thread.

Likewise,personally I think mixed skins are only okay if it's not being shared here.
If it's something like a personal skin then idgaf what you put on it,but things are different if you want to actually -share- the skin.
Liquorset
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Joined September 2015
Liquorset
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h3oCharles
1,488 posts
Joined July 2016
h3oCharles
also, who's maintaining osuskinner? what about getting more approvers for that site so it can evolve?

so when someone posts mixed skins how about directing them to make an account on osuskinner and upload all of the elements?
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