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deadbeat wrote:

Stefan wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/611278 I hope this helps at least for a bit, so the endless list of stickied threads stops from now.
Going back to this for a second. This does kind of help a little, but unless we remove other stickied threads or announcements, it's just another stickied thread/announcement. We need to actually start unpinning some of them so there's less clutter
I haven't unpinned anything yet since I wasn't sure what you guys consider as important to keep pinned and what not. Obviously I was expecting to unpin threads after this one has been put in announce.
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Hey, now that's some progress.
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Now just I can mark nuke icon for mixed skin forum only. And I know every moderators can't viewing all forum. But I don't know who is skinning moderator.
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Assume for the time being, that myself and Stefan will be doing it. There will be some others helping out every now and then though when needed.
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Damn, I was actually just about to post about this. I've been thinking for a while about why the skinning forum is a mess (and how to improve it).

1. There needs to be a separate subforum (not just a thread) for questions and FAQs. Nobody wants to read a 260 page thread full of random crap that might be several years old, and it has a tendency to really clog up the main forum.

2. "Completed skins" and the "queue" is only a mediocre solution to the problem I believe it is trying to address, curation of the best stuff on the forum. Something being "complete" doesn't mean it is good. I think it would be cool to have some method of community involvement in curation like voting or something.

3. There are too many stickies (and most of the stickies are old as dirt)

4. We might want to consider having subforums for taiko, CTB, and osu!mania

5. We need some kind of way to make it as obvious as possible for newbies to the forum that mixed skins are not welcome. My experience at Head-Fi causes me to recall their way of impressing upon users the golden rules of the classifieds.
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1: I'll have to get back to you on that
2: The completed skins forum was a way for people to be able to find skins that were actually complete as apposed to a lot of the other skins in here. There was never really meant to be a certain level of quality expected. We can change this though rather easily
3: This is planned to be changed.
4: I don't know if splitting everything up so much fixes things. It might, but I'm not sure. I'd need to stick around longer to get a better idea.
5: People should always read the rules. I've already changed the guidelines thread to Skinning Rules. Once the stickied and announcement threads get thinned out, it'll be a lot more visible. I see no reason to throw information in peoples face because they're too lazy to read.
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deadbeat wrote:

5: People should always read the rules. I've already changed the guidelines thread to Skinning Rules. Once the stickied and announcement threads get thinned out, it'll be a lot more visible. I see no reason to throw information in peoples face because they're too lazy to read.
But, you see, that's the whole conundrum. The kind of person who posts mixed skins is someone who will never go look for the rules because they don't care. They have no investment in the community whatsoever, which is why they don't know the rules in the first place, and also makes it futile to punish them afterwards because they have nothing to lose. They stumble onto the forum, vomit up their low effort garbage, and leave forever when everyone yells at them. The forum is ultimately what suffers, and not the poster, and we can only do something about it after the damage is already done. Expecting responsibility from the irresponsible inevitably leads to an unwinnable game of whack-a-mole.

There are really only two ways to solve the problem as far as I can see.

1. Find some way to force them to read, or at least see the rules before they can post. This won't necessarily stop them from posting their crap anyway, but could help stem the tide. My initial suggestion is essentially a low-resource version of this, because there may not be any available feasible mechanisms to actually make someone prove they read the rules, but we can certainly put them somewhere impossible to miss.

2. Active moderation. Essentially force everyone to post their stuff into a queue for acceptance or denial before it is moved into the forum for everyone else to see.

I also retract my suggestion to separate game modes into subforums because on second thought, it would be really overcomplicated for no benefit, not to mention that game types are often bundled together in a single skin.
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Philosofikal wrote:

deadbeat wrote:

5: People should always read the rules. I've already changed the guidelines thread to Skinning Rules. Once the stickied and announcement threads get thinned out, it'll be a lot more visible. I see no reason to throw information in peoples face because they're too lazy to read.
But, you see, that's the whole conundrum. The kind of person who posts mixed skins is someone who will never go look for the rules because they don't care. They have no investment in the community whatsoever, which is why they don't know the rules in the first place, and also makes it futile to punish them afterwards because they have nothing to lose. They stumble onto the forum, vomit up their low effort garbage, and leave forever when everyone yells at them.
But if they don't care about that, would they really care if signs were made more obvious? If people don't care about rules, they'd just ignore them even if they know about them. I feel like you'd be putting in a lot of effort for minimal return.
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I think it would help with certain cases. Sometimes people will just assume there are no rules because they aren't impossible to miss.

The only alternative is to have someone manually approve skins added to the forum. I personally think that's the best solution anyways, as long as it's kept up with.
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uhh, just dropping by as a former skinner here

for few years, i've seen a lot of shits going on and clearly, i was pissed and disappointed to see that shit going on here for few years that i've been involving here. mixed skins, nsfw, a lot of shit stuff going on here. for some reason imo, mostly from these cases are likely from a newbie skinners who doesn't even know about the rules here A LOT. i didn't know what to do anymore since i mostly don't even care about it anymore for me in nowadays

well, at least all this cases for me are really shit for some reason by them in nowadays. just passing by anyway
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damn so many replies D:

the changes made so far are great and im glad things are being done, rules are still a problem but i can see why its hard to enforce.. maybe something like a banner message on the new post page could help? directing to the rules or just stating "no mixed skins allowed your post will be deleted" or something along those lines.

also good idea with the nuke icon, shall be doing that myself from now on
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I've had a bit of thought into the rules for this place, and have considered rewriting them to be a bit more detailed. I might also rewrite the OP for the completed skins queue to make things more clear what exactly I feel each skin needs to be moved. Hopefully this will allow others to help out when they feel like it.
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This is a great fun to read the whole through.

I would like to point out that most newcomers might not see pinned topics beforehand, so make the title in ALL CAPS is helpful. It is stated that those topics had to be read before posting and may also reduce newly posted mixed skins. Just saying.
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---===:::{--[::( !!! SKINNING RULES !!! READ THEM BEFORE POSTING ANY SKINS!!! )::]--}:::===---
^ do sth like this, cancerously visible on purpose

also, what about throwing old-meta skins into a separate section? Like kawaiipandah's Kagamine Len Rin and Nightcore HD
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h3oCharles wrote:

---===:::{--[::( !!! SKINNING RULES !!! READ THEM BEFORE POSTING ANY SKINS!!! )::]--}:::===---
^ do sth like this, cancerously visible on purpose
please no
Maybe the development could do something there, for each forum of course. Just an idea
when creating a thread a little pop-up "hey hey wait, did you already read the subforum rules?"
I don't know if they take ideas...and if so, then I don't know where. I doubt it belongs to FR in that case
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h3oCharles wrote:

also, what about throwing old-meta skins into a separate section? Like kawaiipandah's Kagamine Len Rin and Nightcore HD
Are you kidding me? For the record, I view the Nightcore HD skin as an incredibly good skin that people should look to for quality reasons.
While a lot of the skins in there are missing a few new things because of updates that have occurred over the years, I don't think I'd want to throw them out.
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deadbeat wrote:

h3oCharles wrote:

also, what about throwing old-meta skins into a separate section? Like kawaiipandah's Kagamine Len Rin and Nightcore HD
Are you kidding me? For the record, I view the Nightcore HD skin as an incredibly good skin that people should look to for quality reasons.
While a lot of the skins in there are missing a few new things because of updates that have occurred over the years, I don't think I'd want to throw them out.
geez, I'm only asking
and yea, these firework hitbursts are really something unique. sry for going offtopic
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Some people also enjoy old skins. I would simply put every skin in there, no matter if it is a old or new one.
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Where should questions go? Been seeing a lot pop up as new threads while the skinning section's rules kinda imply that it should be going to mlgnom's thread
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Geroyuni wrote:

Where should questions go? Been seeing a lot pop up as new threads while the skinning section's rules kinda imply that it should be going to mlgnom's thread
I think they should be posted in the forum. The Post is really chaotic and you need to wait a long time to get an answer, if you ever get one.
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