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Doormat

Joined September 2013

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Doormat 2017-07-20T04:45:13+00:00

SnowNiNo_ wrote:
Doormat wrote:
m4m

[Extra]
01:00:875 - a slider is enough here, since there is no sound at 01:01:046 - so a note here plays pretty weird there's actually a sound on backup instruments here so i don't think it's too out of place well maybe there are a sound here but compare to others, the sound here is rly weak to used a note, since ur making every obvious sound clikcable except this one lol, and yea isnt too out of place but i think it isnt the best way to express the music here i just think that it plays more comfortably by making the trumpet sound on this red tick a clickable note. since the whole song has a lot of emphasis on trumpet notes i'd like to have clickable objects on the trumpet sounds
[Normal]
00:39:789 (2) - isnt this suppose to be at 00:39:618 - lol, this isnt expressing anything rn piano note well suddenly changed from the main rhythm ur following (vocal and drums) to piano felt rly strange, usually u skip the sound dat ur not mainly following isnt it lol the switch is mainly because of how emphasized this piano sound is. it felt more natural to me to switch to the piano note here since there's also a piano note when we go back to vocals on 00:40:032 - . therefore, while instrument focus is switched to piano, the switch back to vocals is also natural.
just want to see ur opinion

hope my replies are satisfactory; the above diffs have been updated. waiting for moecho now

xxdeathx

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xxdeathx 2017-07-20T09:54:23+00:00

how can you wait for someone that's banned

-Atri-

3,047 posts

Joined March 2013

-Atri- 2017-07-21T06:31:10+00:00

xxdeathx wrote:
how can you wait for someone that's banned

Itis possible :p i also have a moecho gd

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-07-24T04:49:38+00:00

xxdeathx wrote:
how can you wait for someone that's banned

she'll be sending me an update via discord when she's back from her vacation.

updated some minor hitsounding stuff on all diffs hope you guys don't mind :p

World Fraction

159 posts

Joined September 2014

World Fraction 2017-07-25T03:05:50+00:00

I hope to see this ranked. this song is amazing

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-07-27T00:56:49+00:00

updated background to 1920x1080.

Mungaru

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Joined February 2015

Mungaru 2017-07-27T18:02:07+00:00

Hope it gets ranked, I'm enjoying the mapping. ( 'w')

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-07-29T05:22:49+00:00

moecho's reply

Net0 wrote:
Moecho’s Hard
End spinner should be here 00:13:904 – and this entire section with spinners is really creative, but what about the recovery gap time guidelines for hard diffs? All the gaps here 00:09:190 (1,1,1) – are 1/4. answering for moecho in this case, but recovery gap time doesn't apply between consecutive spinners since you're still going to be spinning
Hmm 00:23:161 (2,3) - , this overlap could be avoided if you structure the position of 00:22:476 (5,1,2) – in a different way. I don't really understand what he's trying to say here, I don't find there's any problem here
Improve blanket 00:41:676 (5,1) - I changed the improve blanket one
What about muting extended sliders? 00:47:161 (1,1) - muted
Really odd NC here 00:47:504 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - , are you sure you didn’t forget to fix those? It’s like 3 NCs inside the same measure, I can’t find a logic for something like that in a hard diff and mapping is not even different. the NC is not wierd... It's fully logical to the music
Ctrol+j the shape here 01:09:447 (1) – to avoid offscreen stuff it's not offscreen tho

Naotoshi wrote:
[moecho]
00:20:589 (2) - this doesn't really help with the rhythm cuz the strongest sounds are on the slider head and tail. if you want to focus on the trumpet make it 2 sliders instead please there's no problem here. the note is an transition into what the next 2 sliders will be following, which is the bass

00:41:675 (5,1) - this looks so cramped lol I don't think so

01:25:304 (1) - same thing i said to gaia this is kinda aids even tho its technically rankable its really short ;w; i fixed this for moecho
Tarrasky wrote:
Moecho's Hard

00:19:046 (2) - x:154 y:132 for consistence with 00:15:789 (1,2,3,4) - these have not same emphasis, the second one is definitely more intense, therefore higher ds
00:34:646 (2,3) - 1,30x? too little emphasis if 1.3x, 1.5x fits well and makes it not cramped
01:25:304 (1) - I think this spin is really short for a 3,4* Hard, maybe the players can easily hit 50x for be too fast (less than 2/1 beats) again, i fixed for her
Komore wrote:
moecho
ar8 pls, 8.5 is too high for a 3.4* hard discussed with moecho; we settled on 8.3 since she believes the map would be harder to read with ar8
00:04:304 (2,1) - stack is off fixed stacks
00:17:846 (2,3,4) - this is kinda undermapped, id like to see some more spacing here no, if there's more spacing here, it would be too overemphasized. Since the distance here is dependet on the trumpet sound, when the drum sound comes, there's no trumpet, making it a slow-down effect
00:17:846 (2,1) - stack again
00:36:532 - why spacing in this part is bigger than in this one 00:14:589 - while 00:14:589 - this section is way denser? this is a buildup section, which is more intense than 00:14:589 - , and I think intro is harder to play than this section tbh
00:41:675 (5,1,5) - eh, blanket
01:25:304 (1) - this is too hard for a such low difficulty
inconsistent spacing makes this diff look a bit messy
Akitoshi wrote:
Moecho's Hard
00:19:046 (2) - x1 ds like how other parts were made? this is mapped with a finish in mind, so higher DS(edited)
00:47:504 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - these would be great if u followed vocals and stuff for calm parts but i think it will be fine as is would be really boring to follow vocal here since what's most catchy is the HAI HAI HAIHAI
Firis Mistlud wrote:
[Moecho's hard]

轉到中文頻道～
00:05:332 (2) - AR8.5之下的話已經沒有時間可以讀了，建議不要疊著
00:36:875 (2) - 雖然兩者很易讀但是這個和 00:37:732 (1,2) - 的間距太相近了，hard的話最好將這個滑條和 00:36:532 (1) - 尾疊好或者放近一些，這樣的話可以容易令人分辨出1/4 可以理解我到时候再看看，目前感觉OK
00:47:846 (1) - 00:50:589 (1) - 這些都是也以后再看看吧
01:25:304 (1) - 雖然差一些但是太短了，hard的話轉盤要至少2拍，不然的話可能會被人搞的
感覺我這樣摸我都覺得我太subjective
SnowNiNo_ wrote:
[Moecho's Hard]
00:08:246 (3,4) - hmm why not keep the spacing consistent here xd, the sound here isnt dat special to use a different spacing because 1. it would look better this way
2. you don't move all the way on that slider to make the slightly higher DS matter
00:15:189 - missing a note here, even this is hard diff u souldnt be ignore the sound like this, and yea u map 00:23:761 (4) - so lol ok
00:41:675 (5,1) - blanket a bit off blanket where...
00:47:846 (1) - 00:50:589 (1) - NC isnt necessary here It is, in order to express what I want to express here
Yamicchi wrote:
[Moecho]
• 00:17:846 (2) - stacking is off
• 00:21:961 (4) - I believe you're following the pitch 00:21:446 (1,2,3,4) - here, but this slider seems pretty off as the pitch goes down while you increased spacing. Besides it's not a really strong beat to have such spacing I think this spacing is fine, as mentioned earlier in a reply, this is to differ the section's intensity so that it acts like a Kiai section
• 00:23:761 (4,5) - Might wanna move it closer to (3) a bit, at least same spacing as 00:19:732 (5,1) - or lower because when it comes to 1/4 your spacing is quite small (example 00:17:332 (1,2,3) - ) so having a huge spacing here might be meaningless imo this is the most most intense place of the section, so this high ds fits
• 00:27:789 (3,4) - 3 same beat but why are you using 2 different objects to represent them? I believe a reverse slider or 3 circles works better want to keep the rhythm for the kick at 00:27:861 (4) -
• 01:25:304 (1) - Apparently it's not wrong but having short spinner like this is really annoying tbh, it is like the spinner ends right when you noticed that there's a spinner tho. Besides it's hard diff we're talking about. Players at this level might not expect that tbh. Something like a slider fits it more I guess
Aeril wrote:
[Moecho's Hard]
00:26:932 (1,2,3,4) - why does this use a smaller ds? i think it would be better if it was just all the same ds as sometimes you use 1.3x, others 1.4x,
and on jumps 1.5x, kinda hard to tell which one is really a jump the bass here is slowly becoming more intense each 2 white lines
00:41:675 (5,1) - wouldnt usually point this out but this one is really noticeably off
00:47:846 (1) - 00:50:589 (1) - i would remove ncs on these, seems a bit excessive xd already explained about the NC, I don't plan to change unless it would be a quality issue
gonna be honest, this seems more like a really easy insane than a more difficult hard

since moecho is restricted, she sent me the update code on discord along with her responses, which i have formatted into the above (this took forever lol). hopefully we should be good to go.

my fucking internet died on me while i was formating this -_

all updated now!

p.s: slider tick rate 2 didn't feel right for the song, so i changed for gaia and moecho (with their permission)

-Kazuto

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Joined October 2013

-Kazuto 2017-07-30T13:43:09+00:00

I Support Doormat's Map(s) :uzukek: ★

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-08-01T11:37:34+00:00

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Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-08-01T13:37:10+00:00

thanks nao :3

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2017-08-22T19:00:53+00:00

00:14:404 - 00:47:318 - would be nice with lower volume, same for other diff specific overmapped 3/4 sliderends
01:25:118 - soft-sliderwhistle?

top diff
i don't really think this needs 9.2 tbh, 9 seems fine for a map like this
01:13:804 (2,3) - seems a bit underemphasized with how strong vocals are, also 01:13:975 (3) - looks totally out of place with your other slider styles used in the map and doesn't fit very well
00:15:004 (2,3,4) - why a triple, just ignores the unique rhythm of the song to make the red tick clickable. what gaia did makes more sense imo. having it mapped the same way as 00:17:746 (2,3,4) - is just weird, you did it "right" on 00:58:718 (2,3,4) - etc

00:24:604 (4,1) - swapping nc makes more sense with the change in the song
00:26:489 (6) - why no sliderend, having this clickable too takes away so much from vocals and feels a bit intense for this part
01:03:518 (4,5,6) - could space this out a bit to differentiate from the other 1/4 stacks that sound quite different
01:17:232 (4,5,1,2,3) - seems a bit lacking to use such consistent flow here when music changes so much on the downbeat

kalibe
00:15:004 (2,3,4) - same as top diff
00:20:489 (2,3,4) - triple feels really unfitting here
00:27:004 (2,3) - 00:27:861 (5,6) - mapping only one of them as stack would make more sense considering how different they are (probably space out second one)
00:58:889 (3,4,5) - 01:01:632 (3,4,5) - etc like the first one, these don't really reflect the song well
01:19:718 (2) - would add drumclap on this too, else stream sounds pretty weird

the triple are a bit tilt, even just adding kicks on their first note instead of nothing would make them feel nicer, but simply not mkind the red tick clickable would be great

gaia
putting ar9 on insanes like this is tilt

why not try 8.7
00:24:775 (3,4) - this feels so overspaced with what the piano does
00:55:461 (1,2,3,4) - music is building up but the map is getting way easier? would rather tone down the blue combo pattern (spacing wise) and make 00:55:975 (2,3) - circle spam
01:01:632 (2,3) - samesamesame as on higher diffs and you did the 1/4 rhythms better before like on 00:58:975 (3,4) -
similar for other chorus triples like that

moecho
00:14:489 (1,2,3,4) - don't think this fits for a hard, you make the passive 1/2 and 1/4 gaps just look the same right after each other in the same pattern
00:34:718 (3) - either making the spacing increase more obvious so it actually stand out or using even spacing seems nice
00:52:718 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - cute
00:58:889 (2) - 01:01:632 (2) - etc. similar to higher diffs I don't think these all really reflect the unique rhythm well
you could even http://i.imgur.com/SKbe5W6.jpg which should work totally fine and is intuitive to play after the first cause it fits so well

xxxxxxdeath
00:38:318 (3,1) - why not overlap similar to 00:37:289 (4,1) - and 00:39:004 (1,2) - ? would look much better
01:06:946 (3) - this is prettys lol with how it basically ignores the vocal on red tick and all, rhythms of other diffs made more sense

easy
could probably be ar 4 and maybe higher diff settings cause it feel like an upper range easy with things like 00:57:689 (3,4,1,2) -
00:47:061 (4) - noticeable ds difference looks pretty bad here

yea

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-08-22T20:22:00+00:00

Lasse wrote:

00:14:404 - 00:47:318 - would be nice with lower volume, same for other diff specific overmapped 3/4 sliderends applied to the appropriate 3/4 sliderends
01:25:118 - soft-sliderwhistle? i think the drum clap is more representative of the sound here

top diff
i don't really think this needs 9.2 tbh, 9 seems fine for a map like this ok
01:13:804 (2,3) - seems a bit underemphasized with how strong vocals are, also 01:13:975 (3) - looks totally out of place with your other slider styles used in the map and doesn't fit very well increased spacing and changed slider shape
00:15:004 (2,3,4) - why a triple, just ignores the unique rhythm of the song to make the red tick clickable. what gaia did makes more sense imo. having it mapped the same way as 00:17:746 (2,3,4) - is just weird, you did it "right" on 00:58:718 (2,3,4) - etc made the red tick a slider end,
hopefully it fits better now

00:24:604 (4,1) - swapping nc makes more sense with the change in the song ya
00:26:489 (6) - why no sliderend, having this clickable too takes away so much from vocals and feels a bit intense for this part i think the note is emphasized enough in the music to warrant a click, actually, since it lands on a kick and pretty heavy piano note
01:03:518 (4,5,6) - could space this out a bit to differentiate from the other 1/4 stacks that sound quite different good idea
01:17:232 (4,5,1,2,3) - seems a bit lacking to use such consistent flow here when music changes so much on the downbeat i like how it currently plays though s: i think the increase in spacing is reflective enough of the change in music

easy
could probably be ar 4 and maybe higher diff settings cause it feel like an upper range easy with things like 00:57:689 (3,4,1,2) - AR4 feels a bit too high to me; i used AR3.5 instead
00:47:061 (4) - noticeable ds difference looks pretty bad here oops

yea

thanks lasse-
@gders i updated hitsounds on all diffs hope you don't mind :v

Gaia

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Joined May 2013

Gaia 2017-08-22T23:34:20+00:00

Lasse

Lasse wrote:
fixed

gaia
putting ar9 on insanes like this is tilt why not try 8.7 ill leave this to doormat to judge i guess, personally i think anything between 8.5 to 9 is awkward to play
00:24:775 (3,4) - this feels so overspaced with what the piano does
00:55:461 (1,2,3,4) - music is building up but the map is getting way easier? would rather tone down the blue combo pattern (spacing wise) and make 00:55:975 (2,3) - circle spam
01:01:632 (2,3) - samesamesame as on higher diffs and you did the 1/4 rhythms better before like on 00:58:975 (3,4) - i did that for playability ,
since this a pretty easy insane it's much more intuitive to have something with good polarity on the red tick, rather have a 3/4 gap if i remove the red
similar for other chorus triples like that

yea

else are fixed thanks

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Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-08-23T00:13:33+00:00

changed AR for gaia, updated bg.

xxdeathx

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xxdeathx 2017-08-23T07:56:54+00:00

Lasse wrote:
xxxxxxdeath
00:38:318 (3,1) - why not overlap similar to 00:37:289 (4,1) - and 00:39:004 (1,2) - ? would look much better adjusted
01:06:946 (3) - this is prettys lol with how it basically ignores the vocal on red tick and all, rhythms of other diffs made more sense The red tick vocals are being covered by repeat or slider ends, but I don't want to put sliderends on white tick vocals like the other diffs do. The emphasis is on white ticks so I made sure to have a clickable object on them.

Thanks Lasse!

SPOILER

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Title:STEP by STEP UP
TitleUnicode:STEP by STEP UP↑↑↑↑
Artist:fourfolium
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Creator:Doormat
Version:Xxdeathx's Hard
Source:NEW GAME!!
Tags:Gaia Kalibe Moecho Moeri xxdeathx フォーフォリウム ニューゲーム season 2 two opening tv size takada yuuki 高田憂希 suzukaze aoba 涼風青葉 yamaguchi megumi 山口愛 takimoto hifumi 滝本ひふみ toda megumi 戸田めぐみ shinoda hazime 篠田はじめ ayumi takeo 竹尾歩美 iizima yun 飯島ゆん
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Kalibe

2,060 posts

Joined October 2013

Kalibe 2017-08-23T17:30:49+00:00

fixed all

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: step.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 57604
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.5
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.5

[Metadata]
Title:STEP by STEP UP
TitleUnicode:STEP by STEP UP↑↑↑↑
Artist:fourfolium
ArtistUnicode:fourfolium
Creator:Doormat
Version:Kalibe's Insane
Source:NEW GAME!!
Tags:Gaia Kalibe Moecho Moeri xxdeathx フォーフォリウム ニューゲーム season 2 two opening tv size takada yuuki 高田憂希 suzukaze aoba 涼風青葉 yamaguchi megumi 山口愛 takimoto hifumi 滝本ひふみ toda megumi 戸田めぐみ shinoda hazime 篠田はじめ ayumi takeo 竹尾歩美 iizima yun 飯島ゆん
BeatmapID:1343036
BeatmapSetID:630663

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:8.2
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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Video,0,"newgame_op.avi"
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Doormat

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Doormat 2017-08-24T02:58:26+00:00

updated, waiting on moecho now zzz

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-09-06T02:01:31+00:00

Moecho wrote:
Lasse wrote:
moecho
00:14:489 (1,2,3,4) - don't think this fits for a hard, you make the passive 1/2 and 1/4 gaps just look the same right after each other in the same pattern i think its fine, 1/4 gap on it is very visible as the stack there plus there'll be very close approach circles
00:34:718 (3) - either making the spacing increase more obvious so it actually stand out or using even spacing seems nice i have adjusted so the next note is further
00:52:718 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - cute
00:58:889 (2) - 01:01:632 (2) - etc. similar to higher diffs I don't think these all really reflect the unique rhythm well
you could even http://i.imgur.com/SKbe5W6.jpg which should work totally fine and is intuitive to play after the first cause it fits so well fixed

posting reply for moecho, should be all updated now