Mage wrote:

00:13:425 - 00:18:131 - vocal acutely wanes
04:35:484 (275484|0) - i mean, extend this LN to 04:46:072 - , because sound didn't end. (wrong timing sorry haha)

Everything else looks cool

Asherz007 wrote:

Yo. Is me again. (rip modding queue just doing things in any order now lol)

That out of the way, this map is certainly a lot better. Keep going bud.

This was an M4M request, but, er, not really sure what to send you back lol

0|1|2|3 (as per)

[General]
Hitsounds: Going a little overboard with using the finish hitsound there. Try to only use it where there's a crash in the audio since that's what the hitsound is. Also, you could distribute the hitsounds across chords, like 00:29:895 (29895|0,29895|1) could have a hitsound each - now that I notice, swap your hitnormal and hitwhistle, since a kick is technically an addition. Are you talking to switch all the hitnormals and hitwhistles?
because that's going to be a LOT of changes and I think it's fine now.

Finally, there's not really any need to double up on hitsounds like 00:30:631 (30631|2,30631|0). They often become too overpowering when used like that. That was honestly a genuine mistake, thanks.

Tags: Find some eventually lol I don't know anything about this song xD okay? I just grabbed the song file off of standard and used it for mania

Increase HP to match OD; 7 is too lenient. Is that something that will keep the song from being ranked?

Two timing points exist at 00:00:190 with conflicting samplesets and volumes. In any case, you should only need one of them here. Took care of it.

The BG is, uh, questionable... Ok, so I understand what you are saying, Honestly, I didn't notice till you pointed it out, but I don't think it's necessarily breaking the... uh... "Rules?" Reguardless, I probably should change the BG, (I just nabbed it off of the standard ver. as well.) Although I have no idea what would be fitting for this song now (Don't really know how to look things up to get a specific image that would fit this.) Any suggestions?

Short foreword: With the cymbal crashes, accent with heavier chords (triples, or occasionally doubles where they are much quieter), rather than with LNs. A personal opinion, really, but that's how I would be doing it. I'm guessing you are talking about the main chorus. Understandable, but even though a lot of people has complained about them, I feel like they are fine the way they are. Although, I'm kinda surprised you caught my intent there. (Even if it's only a little) Most people feel it to be nonsensical, and they might not be wrong, but I promise there is a method to my madness.

Custom diff names lol

As I said, not really a fan of vocal/LN mapping, but I'll put that aside for now. Just letting ya know in case something sounds a little biased. The only reason I'm against it in 4K is that can generally clutter the other columns leaving you struggling to put down proper emphasis while still being playable, which can potentially hinder a map. Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I completely understand the fact that LN's take up lots of space in 4K and make mapping things while keeping it interesting is hard, yet I feel that It's necessary in long maps like this. As for mapping vocals, I understand,
that a lot of people don't like it, but it doesn't make it wrong in my opinion. Of course, at the same time, I do think I understand where you come from, again, as stated. It does in fact make the map less interesting. So a lot of people advise against it. (I hate LN's, I think I understand the mass, yet it fits to me)

Layering. Keep it consistent. Sometimes it isn't... I think? Like 00:38:425 (38425|3,38425|0,38425|1,38645|3,38645|0,38866|3) - Three different chords for essentially mapping the same snare. I do see what you are saying, and I'll fix it, although I don't see where you got 3, I see 2 different chords. (2 are the same and 1 is different {the single} Perhapse you are looking at an older version though. Idk.) Hopefully this doesn't effect flow negatively,
as that is what I'm trying to avoid the most (It causes a mini jack if I do things this way, I feel like people will point this out)

(Only mega-critical stuff below, just the first time they appear mostly; trust you can self-mod a bit )

1. 00:27:837 (27837|2,27837|1) - I feel you really need the triple for the crash at 00:29:601 (29601|0,29601|3), so make one of these a short note (SN).
2. 00:32:248 (32248|0) and wherever else this kind of thing happens - This is an open hat, not a crash. Theoretically speaking, these should be 1/1 in length for accuracy, and without the finish hitsound. The problem with this, is as you said, there are only 4 columns. The 2 LN's represent different things, 1 for the vocal, and 1 for the background music. I see what you are saying, but I can't just end one of the LN abruptly while both sounds go throughout the whole sound. Also, If I remove a LN to make up for the space, that part feels off to me. So as much as I would like to do that, it's not possible in 4k. I think a double should work though since it's the start of a new idea and technically all 4 columns are taken.
3. 00:57:248 (57248|1,57322|2,57395|1,57469|2,57542|1,57616|2,57690|1,57763|2,57837|1) - Okay. Stacks again. Nothing technically wrong I guess, but it reminds me of very early mania mapping lol. You've got 4 columns, might as well spread the notes out across them (in a playable fashion, preferably, since this one's kinda awkward). That my friend is called a trill. But hey, I guess if you wanna call em stacks, go ahead :3 (And it's also a pattern,
   so I don't think it needs to change.) I'm leaving the red here because I still don't think it's bad, but I went ahead and changed up the pattern since your major complaint was flow, and that's what I'm really looking to improve, so hopefully this pattern flows better than the last.
4. 01:15:484 (75484|0,75484|2,75484|1,75484|3,75778|1,75778|0,75778|2,75778|3,76072|3,76072|2,76072|1,76072|0) - I don't really understand why these are quads. To me, they appear to be for the sake of it I understand that you don't understand why these are quads (sorry, I had too) yet, the main reason wasn't really in the music at this point of time, but in the next 10 seconds, It's there to prepare players for a bunch of triples and a few doubles in said triples. Although, truth to be told, I'm kinda getting sick of the complaints here, so I might change them after all. (I don't like the idea of making them triples or even doubles because triples can't be symmetrical and doubles are just boring when laid out in columns |-|1|2|-|
   I'll just wait to see what you think about this though.
5. 01:16:807 (76807|2,76807|0,76807|1) - My main quarrel really. Overmapping and inconsistencies. Take this chord. There appears only to be vocals here, which leaves me to question why this is a triple. At most, it's a single. Listen at slower speeds throughout the kiai times to see where kicks and snares come, since vocals shouldn't need emphasising this much. Second thing is it creates stacks like 01:18:572 (78572|0,78719|0,78866|0,79013|0) which are awkward to no end to play. Have a think about it. (I would recommend reverting to triple-double-triple-etc. if anything.) Again, I've had a lot of complaints about this section, and I went ahead and answered to the masses, I'll do the 3,2,3,2,3 pattern for the first 2 chorus parts, but for the 3rd, since it's slightly different and the climax of the song, I went ahead and made them all triples for consistency sake to state that this is exciting, therefore harder.
6. 01:21:660 (81660|3,81807|2) - I'm a little confused with these LNs. Specifically the second half. I'm not really hearing anything to which LNs could be mapped. LN-wise, I would've thought it would be something like this. It's just a change in mapping style, The LN's actually are there to represent cymbals in a certain way (Before you say anything, keep in mind that this isn't me mapping the song on a set of rules where 1 thing always will = 1. I've seen a lot of ranked maps where the LN's didn't make a lot of sense to me, but they had something to justify them being there. Of course I could be wrong and these LN's could be my downfall, but eh. Also, on the topic of consistency, the first set of LN's are just saying (Hey, I can map weird on purpose as well and make it work, so there are probably more like this later on in the map) Not to mention that this actually feels good to me to play. That is just me though.
   Pretty much, I major complaint about mapping, is that there are so many set rules on how a song "Should" be mapped despite it not actually being a rule in the mania section. This does take away from creativity a lot and makes it so that way, all maps are pretty much the same. 2 for kick,
   1 for normal, 3 for crash. Everything has a "Uniform" and as a guy who wears one constantly, the excitement of wearing a uniform gets old, and it is no longer exciting. Mapping is less fun, and it's like being in a prison. So I'm not always going to follow the set rules that other "Players" have established unofficially speaking. That's just my full broad opinion on this. Of course, I could just be very stubborn as well. (Rant over xD)
7. 02:42:690 (162690|2,162837|3,162984|2,163131|3,163278|2,163425|3,163572|2,163719|3,163866|2,164013|3,164160|2) - Pattern variation is key. This is quite a long time to be doing the same thing in a column. My bad, changed the pattern here.
8. 02:47:346 (167346|2,167444|1,167542|0,167542|3,167640|1,167739|2,167837|3,167837|0,167935|2,168033|1,168131|0,168131|3,168229|1,168327|2) - These sounds are all mapped to snares, so I'm not quite sure why they don't have the same number of notes for each one. Probably doubles. Same with 03:06:170 (186170|1,186268|0,186366|3,186366|2,186464|1,186562|0,186660|2,186660|3,186758|0). I recently changed it this way because of someone's mod, and they mad a pretty valid reason on why 2 of these snare parts are mapped differently then the other 2. the 2nd and 3rd snare parts sound different then 1 and 4. Therefore, suggest a new pattern. It helps to get rid of repetition and doesn't really hurt flow either.
9. 03:15:484 (195484|1,195582|2,195680|1,195778|2,195876|1,195974|2,196072|1,196170|2,196268|1,196366|2,196464|1,196562|2,196660|1) - Looks nice, but doesn't really play that well. I'd suggest a re-patterning. I feel like this pattern is okay, I have a harder time with some of the LN patterns compared to this one.
10. 03:25:925 (205925|2) - Incorrectly snapped (Should be on 1/3 right?) That definitely should be snapped to the third, you are right,
    I probably accidently dragged it with the touch pad on my laptop, oops. (I disabled it too, but it doesn't like doing what it's told to do though... >.>) I fixed the snap.
11. 03:42:542 (222542|0,222690|0,222837|0,222984|0,223131|1,223131|0,223278|1,223278|0,223425|1,223425|0,223572|1,223572|0,223719|2,223719|1,223719|0,223866|2,223866|1,223866|0,224013|2,224013|1,224013|0,224160|2,224160|1,224160|0,224307|2,224307|3,224307|1,224307|0,224454|1,224454|0,224454|3,224454|2,224601|2,224601|3,224601|0,224601|1,224748|0,224748|1,224748|3,224748|2) - Oh boy. I get the intention, but this is extremely painful to play, as well as being inaccurate percussion wise. Besides, it's only pitch that's changing rather than intensity, so give this little bit another go. I think I"m going to keep that. I honestly like that part and even though this is a 4* song, I don't really care about star difficulty. A lot of people has made hard 4* maps and 5* maps significantly harder than something half a star harder than it. So star rating to difficulty is over rated. Also, you say you get my intent,
    but you don't get the whole intent. (You got most of it though) I was mapping the volume this time, if you listen, there is a crescendo here. (Yes, I'm talking music sheet talk.)
12. 04:01:366 (241366|1,241513|2,241660|1,241807|2,241954|1,242101|2,242248|1,242395|2,242542|1,242690|2,242837|1,242984|2,243131|1,243278|2,243425|1) - A long time for this. Plays well, but a little monotonous. I'd have to disagree on that, mainly because it's not even 7 seconds long and that there are doubles spread out in there. It's really hard to change patterns with LN (Which is your major complaint) but you probably are aware that I don't plan on changing the LN's. But yeah, I don't think it's monotonous.

That's most of my gripes lol.

Thanks for taking the time to mod my map, If you don't have a map selected for me, I might chose one at random, but if you do, just send it to me in a response box or pm me in game or here.

Hope this helps, best of luck, and keep it up!

It helped a lot! Thanks!

KcHecKa wrote:

Kid.

KcHecKa wrote:

I would never map like this.

KcHecKa wrote:

I'm really about to get on your ass.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and take that as a threat.

"Hi! I'm indecent. I'm friends with skill"

Name calling and mockery, noted.


"Kid."

More name calling.

"I would never map like this."

Ok, Non-constructive criticism and Nonsensical posting, cool.

Also, talk about spamming a thread, and being an instigator.

Yeah, I'll just report and let the mods handle this one. Thanks for the mod (That I didn't ask for by the way, my friend just offered up.)

KcHecKa wrote:

everything i dont like about this map
00:09:307 (9307|3,9601|1,9601|0,9895|2,10190|3,10190|1,10484|2,10631|0,10778|3,10778|1,11072|0,11366|3,11366|2) - the usage of ln reflects the vocals
00:11:954 (11954|3,11954|0,12248|2,12542|0,12542|3,12837|0,13131|2,13131|1,13425|3,13572|0,13719|2,13719|3,13866|1) - but right after you decide to do your own thing?
00:13:131 (13131|2,13131|1,13425|3) - specifically here, you acknowledge the vocal but its so inconsistent with what previously occurred

imo i would never even use ln like this but hey man its whatever

01:16:660 (76660|3,76660|2,76660|0,76807|0,76807|1,76954|3,76954|2,76954|0,77101|1,77101|3,77248|2,77248|0,77248|3,77542|0,77542|1,77542|3,77690|1,77690|2,77837|0,77837|1,77837|3,77984|1,77984|2,78131|3,78131|2,78131|0,78425|1,78425|2,78425|3,78572|2,78572|1,78719|0,78719|2,78719|3,78866|3,78866|1,79013|0,79013|2,79013|3,79307|0,79307|2,79307|3,79454|3,79454|2,79601|0,79601|1,79601|2,79748|0,79748|3,79895|3,79895|1,79895|0) -
im really not a fan of this stop-go style of mapping found in mania osumania maps, but hey at least youre fitting in


01:21:660 (81660|3,81660|1,81807|2,81954|0,81954|1,82101|3,82248|2,82248|0,82395|1,82542|2,82542|3,82690|1,82837|2,82837|0,82984|3,83131|1,83131|2,83278|0,83425|1,83425|3,83572|0) - none of these fucking lns make sense whatsoever
what are you mapping to? vocals? because theyre also prevalent here for example 01:21:366 (81366|0,81366|1,81513|2) -

the whole usage of ln throughout the entire map is wonky as fuck
"I would never map like this" hence.
01:26:072 (86072|2,86072|3,86072|0,86219|0,86219|1,86366|0,86366|1,86366|3,86513|3,86513|2,86660|1,86660|2,86660|0,86954|3,86954|2,86954|1,87101|1,87101|3,87248|1,87248|0,87248|2,87395|3,87395|0,87542|1,87542|3,87542|0,87837|1,87837|2,87837|0,87984|3,87984|0,88131|0,88131|1,88131|3,88278|2,88278|1,88425|3,88425|2,88425|0,88719|2,88719|3,88719|1,88866|0,88866|1,89013|3,89013|2,89013|0,89160|1,89160|2,89307|1) - more of this shit lmaao

why did you choose to have only one note here? 01:29:307 (89307|1) -
clearly there is drum noise

the entirety of 01:29:307 to 01:32:837 is completely undermapped as fuck (seeing as its the kiai time of the song???)


i like the section from 01:37:837 and forward, some other parts of the map were also having these patterns. p cool <3


01:44:895 (104895|3,105042|1,105190|2,105190|0,105337|1,105410|2,105484|0,105484|1,105631|2,105778|3,105851|2,105925|1,105925|3,106072|2,106219|0,106219|1,106366|3,106513|1,106587|0,106660|3,106807|0) - this is acceptable. lovely gg


all of 02:06:072 (126072|2,126072|3,126219|1,126366|0,126366|2,126513|2,126660|1,126660|0,126807|2,126954|1,127101|0,127175|2,127248|1,127395|2,127395|3,127542|0,127690|3,127837|0,127837|2,127984|3,128057|2,128131|0,128278|3,128278|2,128425|0,128572|2,128719|1,128719|3,128866|1,129013|2,129013|3,129160|1,129307|2,129454|1,129528|2,129601|3,129748|2,129748|0,129895|2,130042|1,130190|0,130190|2,130337|1,130410|0,130410|2,130484|1,130631|0,130631|2,130778|1,130925|3,131072|0,131072|2,131219|0,131366|2,131366|3,131513|0,131660|3,131807|2,131807|0,131881|3,131954|2,132101|1,132101|0,132248|3,132395|0,132542|1,132542|3,132690|0,132763|2,132837|3,132984|2,132984|0,133131|0,133278|2,133425|3,133572|2,133719|3,133719|1,133866|0,134013|2,134160|1,134160|0,134234|2,134307|1,134454|3,134454|2,134601|0,134748|2,134895|3,134895|0,135042|1,135116|2,135190|3,135337|1,135337|2,135484|3,135631|2,135778|0,135925|1,136072|0,136072|2) -
and a little bit later, i wouldve mapped differently, giving more emphases to other songs.
Ln usage.. ehh



02:29:895 (149895|2,149895|0,150042|1,150190|3,150190|2,150337|0,150484|3,150484|1,150631|2,150778|1,150778|0,150925|2,151072|3,151072|1,151219|0,151366|2,151366|1,151513|3,151660|0,151660|2,151807|3,151954|1,151954|2) - hilarious

the rest of the map is fairly similar.
its up to you what to do,. kid

KcHecKa wrote:

everything i dont like about this map
00:09:307 (9307|3,9601|1,9601|0,9895|2,10190|3,10190|1,10484|2,10631|0,10778|3,10778|1,11072|0,11366|3,11366|2) - the usage of ln reflects the vocals yep
00:11:954 (11954|3,11954|0,12248|2,12542|0,12542|3,12837|0,13131|2,13131|1,13425|3,13572|0,13719|2,13719|3,13866|1) - but right after you decide to do your own thing? No idea what you are talking about here, I mapped vocals
00:13:131 (13131|2,13131|1,13425|3) - specifically here, you acknowledge the vocal but its so inconsistent with what previously occurred I mapped the vocals here as well (looking at the rest of your mod, was your ver. of my map up to date?

imo i would never even use ln like this but hey man its whatever There's always more then 1 way to map a song, that's what I like about mapping. So hey, it'd make sense that someone wouldn't map the same way I would, logically speaking)

01:16:660 (76660|3,76660|2,76660|0,76807|0,76807|1,76954|3,76954|2,76954|0,77101|1,77101|3,77248|2,77248|0,77248|3,77542|0,77542|1,77542|3,77690|1,77690|2,77837|0,77837|1,77837|3,77984|1,77984|2,78131|3,78131|2,78131|0,78425|1,78425|2,78425|3,78572|2,78572|1,78719|0,78719|2,78719|3,78866|3,78866|1,79013|0,79013|2,79013|3,79307|0,79307|2,79307|3,79454|3,79454|2,79601|0,79601|1,79601|2,79748|0,79748|3,79895|3,79895|1,79895|0) -
im really not a fan of this stop-go style of mapping found in mania osumania maps, but hey at least youre fitting in 1: I don't really see too many maps with this kind of thing, You probably just played more then me, but I'd have to say it's relatively uncommon.
2: It does fit the song though.


01:21:660 (81660|3,81660|1,81807|2,81954|0,81954|1,82101|3,82248|2,82248|0,82395|1,82542|2,82542|3,82690|1,82837|2,82837|0,82984|3,83131|1,83131|2,83278|0,83425|1,83425|3,83572|0) - none of these fucking lns make sense whatsoever Yeah, and neither does the beginning of your post. They are there to flavor the map and it flows nice. It's just my gimmick.
what are you mapping to? vocals? because theyre also prevalent here for example 01:21:366 (81366|0,81366|1,81513|2) - I'm doing my own thing... ;)

the whole usage of ln throughout the entire map is wonky as fuck
"I would never map like this" hence.
01:26:072 (86072|2,86072|3,86072|0,86219|0,86219|1,86366|0,86366|1,86366|3,86513|3,86513|2,86660|1,86660|2,86660|0,86954|3,86954|2,86954|1,87101|1,87101|3,87248|1,87248|0,87248|2,87395|3,87395|0,87542|1,87542|3,87542|0,87837|1,87837|2,87837|0,87984|3,87984|0,88131|0,88131|1,88131|3,88278|2,88278|1,88425|3,88425|2,88425|0,88719|2,88719|3,88719|1,88866|0,88866|1,89013|3,89013|2,89013|0,89160|1,89160|2,89307|1) - more of this shit lmaao
*Complains about inconsistency, Then proceeds to complain about consistency. #logic

why did you choose to have only one note here? 01:29:307 (89307|1) - No idea what map you are looking at, that's always been a tripple.
clearly there is drum noise Apparently i'm deaf.

the entirety of 01:29:307 to 01:32:837 is completely undermapped as fuck (seeing as its the kiai time of the song???) Yes, let me make this Kiai section nothing but tripples... oh and the last one nothing but quads! YOU'RE A GENIUS!!! Nah, I'm good.


i like the section from 01:37:837 and forward, some other parts of the map were also having these patterns. p cool <3 <--- You just got creepy.


01:44:895 (104895|3,105042|1,105190|2,105190|0,105337|1,105410|2,105484|0,105484|1,105631|2,105778|3,105851|2,105925|1,105925|3,106072|2,106219|0,106219|1,106366|3,106513|1,106587|0,106660|3,106807|0) - this is acceptable. lovely gg Oh god, even more creepier, can't tell if you are sarcastic or not, but yeah.


all of 02:06:072 (126072|2,126072|3,126219|1,126366|0,126366|2,126513|2,126660|1,126660|0,126807|2,126954|1,127101|0,127175|2,127248|1,127395|2,127395|3,127542|0,127690|3,127837|0,127837|2,127984|3,128057|2,128131|0,128278|3,128278|2,128425|0,128572|2,128719|1,128719|3,128866|1,129013|2,129013|3,129160|1,129307|2,129454|1,129528|2,129601|3,129748|2,129748|0,129895|2,130042|1,130190|0,130190|2,130337|1,130410|0,130410|2,130484|1,130631|0,130631|2,130778|1,130925|3,131072|0,131072|2,131219|0,131366|2,131366|3,131513|0,131660|3,131807|2,131807|0,131881|3,131954|2,132101|1,132101|0,132248|3,132395|0,132542|1,132542|3,132690|0,132763|2,132837|3,132984|2,132984|0,133131|0,133278|2,133425|3,133572|2,133719|3,133719|1,133866|0,134013|2,134160|1,134160|0,134234|2,134307|1,134454|3,134454|2,134601|0,134748|2,134895|3,134895|0,135042|1,135116|2,135190|3,135337|1,135337|2,135484|3,135631|2,135778|0,135925|1,136072|0,136072|2) -
and a little bit later, i wouldve mapped differently, giving more emphases to other songs. Thanks for not being so rude on this one, although I don't really see what you are envisioning here, so I'm going to keep it here. If you want, you are free to make suggestions (As long as you are serious about it.)
Ln usage.. ehh I'm not really big on the stereotypical LN usage, but I feel that it works?



02:29:895 (149895|2,149895|0,150042|1,150190|3,150190|2,150337|0,150484|3,150484|1,150631|2,150778|1,150778|0,150925|2,151072|3,151072|1,151219|0,151366|2,151366|1,151513|3,151660|0,151660|2,151807|3,151954|1,151954|2) - hilarious Thanks, I've been working on my sit down commedy for the last 2:29:894- minutes, I thought this would be a good punchline.

the rest of the map is fairly similar.
its up to you what to do,. kid

KcHecKa wrote:

Completely irresponsible.

Kurai wrote:

METADATA CHECK

Official metadata source:
Nico Video, Kushi's channel: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10456879
Kushi's Twitter: https://twitter.com/kushi94/status/28490166094

Artist: Φ串Φ
Artist (romanised): Kushi (romanising it to PHIKushiPHI would be rather inappropriate in my opinion, the Φ are mostly added for decoration and are not pronounced, not 100% sure about this though)
Title: サクラノ前夜 (Speed Up Ver.)
Title (romanised): Sakura no Zenya (Speed Up Ver.)

Add "Hatsune Miku", "初音ミク", "Utaite" and "歌い手" in the tags as well?

reason : You map difficult is Insane, only easy and normal difficult can use 2 hitsound at 1 note. so make sure, if you want to make insane mod. you must think about how many note and hitsound do you need

Your hitsound and your note is equal.
Example : You use 2 Hitsounds or more to 1 note like this


you must fix it, like this

and

OscarRickyH02 wrote:

yo o/
NM from Team Frontline Modding Queue
nice song, just helping with few suggestion since you pretty much map vocal here and its not really my style, but i'll do my best
oh yeah, and BG quite unsafe but idk If a QAT tells me that it's bad, I'll change it, but I've seen a lot of ranked BG's and I'd have to say that this one isn't all that bad.

mod

00:30:778 - have you played a piano? im sure you follow piano here and i suggest you to put a 1 note trill pattern here since its have better representatons of that sounds like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8759187 or something that the note is always changing from left-right-left-right hand but im not sure its safe or not since its 204 bpm so its your choice I get the "Why" and the "Intent" But your concern is also right, the bpm is too fast for this pattern and would kill the flow.
00:32:248 (32248|0) - this is an open hit hat right? i dont think its good if its mapped as 1/4 ln since the sound is completely 1 beat so my sugestion is make it ends in white line Well, a counter argument is that even though the cymbal is a single, the sound last longer then the other singles, there fore should be longer, but not as long as the usual LN notes. So I changed the note to represent the cymbals. Again, I get what you are getting at here,
but I'd have to dissagree.
00:33:940 (33940|1,33940|3) - what is this? if its piano, i should be on white line, if its snare i think the sound is too weak to mapped as double and the note in white line should be double because of piano and since you have 00:33:719 (33719|0,33719|3) - I'm going to disagree with this too,
because I'm mapping the percussion. I change mapping styles depending on what's being played at the moment and when there is a new Idea *In this section, the percussion is new) I'll map that while keeping the old feel around just to make it nice. If you listen to the song and 100% speed without any of the hitsounds, you can hear the percussion, so I think it's fine.
00:36:954 (36954|0) - yep remember my critic about hithat? since i found many of this, im not gonna point out again from here. Just recheck the whole map if you agree with my suggestion You already know my answer to this
00:37:175 (37175|2,37763|3) - idk i dont hear any sound Yeah, I see, I'll remap that part to reflect percussion more, nice catch!
00:57:837 - i think the long ln follow the chord of the bass yes? i have a suggestion which i think it'd be coller if you change that long ln bass to short ln for bg keyboard (which is 1/2 ln) I don't really want to do that because I feel like it would be uncomfortable to play. I might be wrong though.
00:58:131 - a little bit inconsistent if you dont map open hit hat with ln again Fair point, I'll play with this section some more and see what I like/dont like. So I might change one or the other.
01:00:484 - ^
01:02:837 - ^
01:05:190 - ^
01:07:028 - i might be half-deaf but im sure i heard closed hat You did, I will try to play around with this area a little bit as well, I'm trying to avoid very note dense sections to make it awkward, but I do hear what you are hearing and I'll consider this change.
01:29:895 (89895|1,90042|0) - not doubles? since they must be emphasized equally with 01:29:748 - at least I feel like this will effect flow,
but I'll consider it since it's a valid point.
01:30:190 - and by the reason above, here must be double as well (add 1 more note) If I change one, I'll change the other as well.
song repeats
02:14:454 (134454|3,134454|2) - i thought double was only for snare This part definitely needs some self modding actually, I noticed it a while ago when I was re hitsounding my map and I kinda rage quit when I lost all of my progress, but I'll fix this.
02:23:719 - no, opened hat is definitely NOT worth for mapped as triples, even for increasing feel of the song for the player, i suggest only 1 note I'll lower them to doubles, but the sound is too loud for singles.
02:38:425 - add 1 more note will you? I'll have to play around with this for flow, but I'll most likely add a note here.
02:45:631 (165631|0,165925|1) - snare is getting louder, add 1 more note for both? I'm working with limited space, so instead of making those doubles, I turned them into jacks.
03:01:366 - snare is getting stronger from here, add one more note from here to 03:02:248 - I would if this was 5k, but again, limited space. There are louder notes than these, which would imply that those would then be under mapped, but can not be mapped any more, so I did some work with the HS to draw an illusion of the notes having a bigger impact.
03:06:072 - um, i more prefer to emphasize double as snare, and single as tom since tom sounds weaker I understand, but i'm going to have to reject this because for me, flow is more important here. I also change the pattern here to imply a different sound. And in a way, bass are heavy sounds, despite volume.
03:15:484 - ^
03:24:895 - here is ok but 03:25:925 (205925|2) - wut? That wasn't supposed to be there, it was supposed to be on a 1/3 tick. thanks for catching that.
04:08:278 (248278|3) - double?

I can get behind that reasoning, done.
i think thats all i can catch

_Stronger_ wrote:

HI!! Sorry for the late mod, I was pretty busy irl, so I couldn't mod it earlier.

Worst mod ever

[*]00:32:248 (32248|0) - Not sure what this Ln is for. The only sound that I think could go with the Ln ends at 00:32:542. Same goes for the other short Lns like this one. They are for the hats
[*]00:33:792 (33792|0) - Missing a note here. But, I see that you haven't mapped this kind of sound for that little section, so I guess you intentionally omit to map them. So I won'T mention it for this sound again. Maybe if this was 5K plus, but 4k makes this hard
[*]00:39:307 (39307|0,39307|2) - If you put a double there, then you should add quite a lot of double up until the Ln part, which would take quite a while to rearrange all the notes, so you'd better just make it a single note. That's actually supposed to be a hat, I'll change it to my intent
[*]00:57:763 (57763|2) - Delete that note, no sounds goes with ti. Oh, ok
[*]01:21:807 (81807|2) - Those Lns, I think they should be simple notes. It's a bit of a gimmick
[*]01:24:895 (84895|2,85190|2,85484|2,85778|2,86072|2) - Watch out for things like this, anchors. It's kinkda something we can consider as bad, so you can just move a few things around to avoid them as much as possible, meaning of course some patterns can make them pretty hard to avoid. I guess try not ot make them more then three notes long. I did a little bit of rearranging and testing to make it not awkward while fixing the anchors
[*]02:05:998 (125998|0) - Delete that note. Done
[*]02:24:895 (144895|1,145042|1,145190|1,145337|1,145484|1) - This, tho, is avoidable. Something like this I guess, or anything like the patterns your making there. Fixed
[*]02:29:895 This Ln part. At least, make the a similar pattern as the previous part like that. There should be a space with no Lns between the Lns. Again, it's a bit of a gimmick[*][*][*][*][*]02:27:837 (147837|2,148131|2,148425|2,148719|2,149013|2,149307|2,149601|2,149895|2,150190|2) - Exemple of a big anchor that can be avoidable and should be avoided. I'm trying to avoid jacks, but I'll fix it
[*]02:46:072 (166072|2) - Woaaaah, this should totally be a Ln for the voice, a big whole there just doesn't fit with the song. In my opinion. I get what you are saying now, but i'm gonna hold off, I don't really know how to comfortably implement that LN so I'll mess around with it
[*]03:51:072 (231072|3,231366|2) - THIS is what you should do for the other part like that in the songs. Long Lns for the voice. I understand your intent, but again, this just another version of the gimmick. I'm doing different variations of LN's in these parts as to not wreck flow, and I feel like it is fun to play, a few others agree as well, So I'm pretty positive that it's a good addition
[*]03:54:895 (234895|0) - This Ln, shouldn't it end at 03:55:190? If it's for the voice. Ok, yeah, someone told me to change that 2nd Ln into a single because it was odd to play and I changed it, but I agree, it should be longer, so I reverted back to the old mapping
[*]04:01:366 (241366|1,241660|1,241954|1,242248|1,242542|1,242837|1,243131|1,243425|1,243719|1,244013|1,244307|1,244601|1) - Another exemple of anchor, really big one.Ok, I understand your intent, but think about it this way, I only have 3 columns for notes, I think that without making a lot of jacks, I can avoid the anchors. So this one is staying. but I'll keep this part in mind
[*]04:15:925 (255925|2,256219|1) - Shouldn't be Lns. My maps gimmick
[*]04:30:484 (270484|1,270484|0,270484|3) - Why do you suddenly put triples on those sounds? Keep the triples for this sound 04:30:778 (270778|0,270778|3,270778|1) - I changed the first one to a double, but the music changed here, so I started mapping mainly percussion 1 note for bass, 1 note for snare, 1 note for hats
[*]Consedering the way you are mapping, 04:52:984 (292984|2) - 04:52:984 (292984|2,297542|1,297690|3) - 05:02:395 (302395|2) - should all be Lns. Yeah, I'll change that, thanks
[*]05:03:719 (303719|2) - End this Ln at 05:04:013 Yep
[*]05:06:954 to 05:09:013 Again because of the way you mapped, shouldn't there be Lns here? I didn't map the beginning like that, the resolution was mapped to be similar to the intro
[*]05:08:866 (308866|3) - There shouldn't be a note there. Or if you wanna keep it, add one at 04:51:807 | 04:58:278 | 05:01:219 | 05:05:925, because the pitch of her voice, just like there 05:08:866 (308866|3) -, slightly changes at those timing. I'm not really too sure what you are talking about here, her voice changes pitch there, which is why that note is there (And you didn't point it out in the intro), 05:01:219 is not a changing note, 04:51:807 does have a bit of a pitch change, but it isn't noticeable enough to me to map it, 04:51:807 is not a changing note as well, there is a slight pitch change, yes,
but it wasn't intended by the singer I'm sure. 05:05:925 is also meant to be a non-pitch changing note. At 05:08:866, the pitch change was intentional there,
there for, I mapped it. This is just my analysis of the song though, I might be wrong, but now you know why I didn't map those pitch changes.

Done for my mod. I hope it'll be useful! This beatmap has great potential and I really like the song, so here my star. Thanks a lot for the star! Your mod was really useful, and it helped out a lot. I'm glad I didn't request a BN yet, but it's almost ready for one.
Also because of the late reply

dudehacker wrote:

I think you are using clap hitsound for both kick and snare a lot.
you shouldn't use whistle for hat, because you use this hitsound a lot, its better to leave it as normal so it is easier to hitsound.
whistle should be used for kick instead.

I am making a new hitsound difficulty right now, you can decide whether u want to use it after or not.

1. Nico Video cannot be treated as a source now, because it is a website. RC says about this. Better remove it
2. Because this is a cover version, better add Cover into tags

error_exe777 wrote:

yo

i don't think remods reward kudos so don't bother lmao

Independence

00:34:160 - you can make this a triple I tried it and it actually flows well, so I'll keep it.

02:27:542 (147542|3,147542|1,147542|0,147690|2,147690|0,147837|1,147837|2,147837|3,147984|3,147984|0,148131|0,148131|3,148131|1) - isn't this representing the vocal? so why does it carry on when there is a break in the vocal? Yes and no, if you notice, the first 4 verses on the melody sound the same tone wise, then on the 5th and last vocal, she uses different notes as a transition, so therefor, I mapped a transition to help flow from the lyrics to the bg music. I figure it would be cool to do it that way because it represents the song well. for example, after the 5 verses, you'll notice that I add "Random" Ln's that don't seem to fit, but I can tell you why they do fit. They fit because of the way she sings the notes, so even though i'm mapping the bg sound, I map long notes in there to remind the player about the lyricist while focusing on the bg music. (I don't think I ever properly explained myself other than by saying "it's a gimmick" so I just went ahead and put that there for everone else as well

03:06:072 (186072|2,186072|3,186170|1,186268|0,186366|2,186366|3,186464|1,186562|0,186660|3,186660|2,186758|0,186856|2,186856|3,186954|1,186954|0,187052|2,187052|3,187150|1,187150|0) - this seems very backwards. the doubles at the end are weaker than the ones at the start I understand your point, but I made the bass drums doubles because of the fact that they are new. I wanted to bring them out more.

03:11:954 - add one for cymbal? well, "stronger" cymbal. i can't tell if there cymbals every beat because of the hitsounds but eh I don't want to do that because that cymbal is not as loud as the other cymbals that I do map. If this was 5k, I would definitely do that, but I was very limited.

03:15:190 (195190|0,195484|3,195484|1,195582|2,195680|1,195778|2,195778|0,195876|1,195974|2,196072|3,196072|1,196170|2,196268|0,196268|1,196366|2,196366|3,196464|0,196464|1,196562|3,196562|2) - again..?

03:30:778 - yeah i can hear another symbal

04:04:895 (244895|0,244895|3,244895|2,245042|0,245042|1,245042|2,245190|1,245190|0,245190|3,245337|3,245337|2,245337|1,245484|1,245484|2,245484|0) - again, the vocal cuts out.

much much better than before. well done! Thanks for adding on to your mod and helping out! Sorry I declined a lot of things, but I have my reasons. (It could just be that i'm stubborn, but hey, I can't really tell xD)

good luck for rank!

Div wrote:

Req from my queue

1|2|3|4

Independent:
00:36:660 - double here with the ln? No, because it would conflict with the way that I mapped this section, 2 notes (includint ln) meant percussion in this section
00:37:837 - same here And to help state my point, adding a note here would make this section unnecessarily hard, so I believe I won't change this.
00:38:278 (38278|1,38425|1) - could probably rearrange this so it doesn't jack There's nothing wrong with jacks, and that's not even a jack,
let alone a mini jack.
00:39:013 - not a huge fan of the kicks not being mapped here I mapped the kicks, they are doubles, the first one just had a LN, so I counted the LN as a kick note as well, since that's how I used the other LN's
00:57:837 - triple for the crash? If the crash was louder, but a the crashes are quieter than the kicks to me, so they should be same if not less.
00:58:131 - I think you could still map the open hihats with lns here, it doesn't crowd too much Ok,I understand, I'm glad that you noticed i'm trying to avoid clutter though.
01:07:248 - atleast a double here for the crash I'll try it, but I feel like a note there makes it a little on the hard side.
01:16:660 (76660|0,76807|0,76954|0) - these mini-achors could be evened out a lot and made way nicer to play. For example there you have a 3 note anchor, but here 01:17:542 (77542|1,77690|1,77984|1,78131|1) - is 2 2 note anchors with this 3 note 01:17:690 (77690|2,77837|2,77984|2) - in the middle.
If you're unsure what I mean or how to fix it feel free to pm me ingame and we can talk about it a little more. I'm not 100% sure I understand your meaning on this part, Like, if I made it a bunch of 2 2 note anchors, it would lack pattern. I'm trying to map these sections without making them monotonous. These sections actually used to have 5 pillar stacks, but I made a self rule to limit to 3 until climax, than 4 stack. (I hope I'm making sense.)
01:20:337 - note here? There's no sound.
01:21:366 - could triple this What you were hearing was a cymbal hitsound that shouldn't have been there. I changed the HS though
01:39:234 - this is a triplet unless im deaf so note here ?????
01:41:292 - note here I hear it
01:43:940 - also triplet Ok
01:46:587 (106587|0) - ghost? Oops
01:47:248 - triple for crash I didn't make the others crashes
02:06:072 - ^
02:08:719 - same thing about mapping open hihates here Better at least stay consistent
02:15:484 - something something crash xD
02:24:895 - this kiai is basically the same as what I said for the last one so I'll skip over it :thinking;
02:46:072 - ln :thinking: I'd rather this be empty space for suspence
02:47:248 (167248|3,167248|0,167542|0,167542|3,167837|3,167837|0,168131|3,168131|0) - unsure why these are doubles if the rest aren't. I mean it's a fun pattern to play but doesn't fit the music unless I'm missing something It's a music thing, I'm accenting the start of a triplet.
03:35:484 (215484|0,215484|3) - this should be a single Xylophone + Singer
03:46:954 - the only thing that changes here in comparison to the other kiais is pitch so having all of these as hands instead of the hand jump pattern before just seems like overmapping to me. Don't get me wrong I understand the intention I'm just not a huge fan. Probably up to you tho
Same thoughts as the other kiais tho so skipping over that stuff again I guess Yeah, this section is funny because I get mixed reviews, I remember someone else telling me that this section is undermapped (what?) and stuff, so the way I thought of it, was that this is the climax, so it should be harder than the other kiais, really, the only diff is that the doubles are now triples and the triples stayed triples, as well as some LN placements. I do appreciate the insight though.
04:16:660 - triple here for the craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash Since it's the transition between the climax and resolution, I guess... You should think about starting a crash appreciation day movement xD
04:19:307 (259307|2,259454|2) - random jack :thinking:Fiiine, I get it, it looks ugly to me as well xD
04:26:072 (266072|3,266072|0,266072|2) - woah im proud Surprise?!?! xD
04:30:778 (270778|0,270778|3,270778|1) - proud again weeeeee Yaaaaay
04:30:778 - why does from here until 04:35:484 - get harder for no reason? I hope this isn't intended D: I failed to portray what my intent here was, so I did some re-hitsounding to make that section better, I changed my mapping to fit the percussion there since that was different. I wasn't just trying to make it hard, I promise!!! x(
05:09:013 (309013|1,309013|2) - only one of these needs to be an ln my dood Why didn't you talk about the one at 00:27:837 though?
This was a reflection of the beginning, there for, I mirrored it to the beginning as symbolism.

Nice map Thanks <3
I think I'm going insane. Rip

Goodluck!

Litharrale wrote:

hey look im not dead Sorry it took me so long to get to your mod!

1|2|3|4

you didnt actually draw your avatar so low effort mod from me I can appreciate that.

BG res is badRip, how to find good resolutions.

I'm a fan of the vol changes, not enough people use them Yeah, I find that sometimes the HS will overpower the song and I didn't want that,
especially the cymbal section.

:thinking9: That was intentional, the song got quiet and I felt like default HS worked better there.


Unless I'm blind there's not import hitsounding in this map which means pretty much all of the hitsounds in the folder are unused and a lot of the map is using defaults which aint good Oh trust me, I used custom hs, but I guess I should check to see if any are not used. I'm sure there are. (I only HS'ed this map a total of 4 times)

00:26:072 (26072|2,26366|2,26660|1,26954|1) - justify these stacks, pitch changes so I dont see a point for them I don't really see the reason why people hate stacking, I don't really even call that stacking, and my justification was that I was descending the pitch.

00:32:248 (32248|0) - if this is mapped to the crash then it's too short I disagree, I mainly map the percussion here, so you already know that snares are singles in this map, but the crash is slightly longer than a snare because it reverberates, yet not so long as to match a vocal length because of how percussion instruments work. That's just my reasoning. Also, if I changed them to the way you wanted, It would honestly be better to just take them out on the more denser sections, as well as the not so dense sections for consistency.

00:32:984 (32984|2,33057|1,33131|0) - Having stairs up until this point all represent piano rolls and then suddenly this roll isnt 00:33:866 Again, I'm mapping mainly the percussion, but the piano stood out, so I mapped that to bring it out.(33866|2,33940|1,34013|0) - is jarring and inconsistent It's very consistent since I'm mapping snares. If you listen to it without the HS, you will hear what I'm talking about.

00:35:337 (35337|2,35337|1,35410|0,35484|3,35631|2,35631|1,35704|0,35778|3) - very different sounds from one another, missing out on a "rise and fall" type PR pattern that would be nice here I actually didn't notice that double patterns there, maybe it was on a day where I was exhausted,
but I hate repeating patterns. So I'll change it to a rise and fall like you requested.

00:36:219 (36219|1,36292|2,36366|3) - same roll comment here, be more varied with your mapping. No more mentions of this from this point on Ok, so at this point, I think you know what my intent is, but I don't think I can without ruining the intent of my map. I know that this just might make it generic, but I'd rather have a generic map than an inconsistent map.

00:49:748 (49748|2,49895|2,50042|1,50190|1) - I love it but why in this spot very specifically and no where else? I didn't put it there for any reason other than pattern variation, I was trying to avoid the generic feel, but that's so hard on 4k >.<

00:57:322 (57322|1,57542|3) - ghost notes. In fact, removing all the non doubles here and making the doubles into triples would be better imo to accentuate the change in sound more It's not ghost note though, listen at 25%

01:16:660 (76660|2) - I like it This gets a lot of love/hate.

02:05:484 (125484|0,125484|2,125557|1,125631|2,125704|1,125704|3,125778|0,125851|3,125925|1,125925|2) - missing out on cool patterning here with the triple snare. Maybe a stack or something? That would make this part inconsistent though if I stacked it, and I was kinda aiming for fluid motions on this map since it wasn't the main verse. (not main verse = fluid, main verse = not fluid.

02:31:513 (151513|3) - I like the variance with this new LN section but some of these LNs dont seem to make a lot of sense like the one linked here. What is it mapped to? I was trying to make the map feel more fluid, It was simply a change of mapping style for variation and to keep the player interested, of course I don't know if this makes for a bad map, I just know that some of my buds really praised that part. Of course, they could've been sugar coating.

Overall Feedback: Needs Work Ok, cool. I have an idea on some things that can be improved.

The map is solid and seems to definitely be popular given the amount of favourites but it feels a bit too samey and generic to me. (rip,
he called it generic) It really felt like playing through it that once you finished the first kiai 30% of the way in, you saw 95% of what the map had to offer. There are some slight change ups but then they get samey too, for example the section here 02:59:895 (179895|1) - https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/XExonF8.png is practically identical for 40 whole seconds. I noticed that too, but I have no idea how to fix that section in particular, that's just how the song was.That's longer than some entire maps. Map has potential but the existing structure needs to be strengthened by having core rules down (for example, this is a stack because this sound played in this way) and the rest of it needs to be more diversified (for example the triples in the kiai are the same every single time). I don't know why, I didn't copy/paste them, or are you just saying as a triple double set? because I tried making it so that the 3rd and last kiai was different from the first two since it was the climax of the song.
stuff like 03:42:542 (222542|0) - is cool because its different to what you already had. Funny thing, I actually had a lot of complaints about that section as well.

Good luck!

Thanks! I'll definitely change a few things in the map, but hopefully you understand the map better now!~