Feint - Vagrant (feat. Veela)

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Einja

FiddleBlue wrote:

Hi from your queue.
I'm gonna assume hitsound diff isn't a real diff.

General
  1. Tags are conflicted in the difficulties. steve pls
Normal
  1. 00:29:974 (3) - Not really perfectly placed between the two sliders. The correct coordinate would be 265|166. ok
  2. 01:01:859 (1) - Instead of this stretching for 12 beats, how about start the spinner on 01:02:545 - when the vocal strikes instead? And you can place two 1/2 sliders or whatever on the two beat in the beginning. I think it's better since the vocal there isn't synchronize with the spinner. I think this way you'll emphasize both vocal and instrument. i'd rather start my spinners on strong downbeats

Let Me Go
  1. 00:59:117 (1,2) - Perhaps makes the flow here smoother by making the flow directly to the next slider since it's the same combo. the flow is fine right here
  2. 01:07:859 (3,5,6) - Perhaps make align these to be a straight line to make it neater. ok
  3. 01:30:317 (4,5) - Perhaps make these as 1/2 slider or shortening their spacing to make 01:30:659 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - stand out. i like it the way it is currently
Good luck!

rickyrox3 wrote:

oh look the map that gave me ptsd back in my 30k days
wait a minute... wrong set


00:44:888 (1,1) - oh hey that's kinda like the ranked version's https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8546013 cool
ok so I'm seeing that 01:01:859 (1,2) - has a "ds" of approximately 2.6 ok.. 01:02:031 (2,3) - 2.7 01:02:202 (3,4) - 2.7 01:02:374 (4,5) - 2.4 etc. basically implying that they're kinda randomly scattered with flow, which would kinda be ok if like 01:02:374 (4,5) - had higher spacing since vocals are reintroduced, and the whole section has the percussion so mapping to emphasize that wouldn't really work imo I think I think I think I think I th ok moving on because
i don't really think ds snapping between jumps is that big of emphasis (and besides, some jumps are widened because of drum emphasis, not just the vocals.)
01:12:831 (1,2) - this looks really unnatural, seeing as 01:12:831 (1,2,3) - pretty much almost makes a straight line, but even then due to slider leniency a player could easily just snap from the head of 1 to 2, which reduces the effect of emphasis altogether yup, fixed around a little

smaller box
00:56:374 (1) - nc? new measure and new section of music: the hyping(;´∀`) no stop leave me alone you guys, not changing this no matter how many of you guys point it out >:V
01:21:059 (1) - hmm I think I've seen this from somewhere t h i n k i n g . . . cool


the biggest box of them all


(・∀・) welcome to flavortown
thanks for modding guys!
[[Pika]]

rickyrox3 wrote:

oh look the map that gave me ptsd back in my 30k days
wait a minute... wrong set

I think I'm doing this out of order or something
00:58:774 (5,6) - the way 6 is layered beneath the slider... stacking 5 and 6 could easily fix this (and since 6 is like a weak-ass sound xd) but I soon realize that you use this kind of layering in the song later as well so idk you could nudge 6 over to make it look like it's not just randomly placed there nudged
01:04:602 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - idk but I feel the way you executed this stream section is kinda eh.. repeating sliders are usually separated completely from the actual circle streams, rather than this sandwich of repeating sliders. I suggest T H I S as an example (just focus on the timeline don't actually look at what's on the play field) beginning and end more important, gets more clicking time
01:19:688 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ah idk about this you got different rhythm structures for each set of back-and-forths... is it rhythm structure? idk ignore that but the hitsounding is obviously different since you can tell the difference between the kicks and snares it's two shorter pairs and then two longer pairs lol that's it (and then it changes later to reflect lyrics)
01:30:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - and then 01:31:345 (1,2) - the vocals that start on 1 seem to be undermined by the repetition you presented earlier as well... you could like probably increase spacing slightly and rotate it n° or something fancy it's already more emphasized as the stack longer and consists of shorter-spaced notes
01:48:488 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - and I notice that this is mostly a copy+paste from 01:26:888 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - but like the sections are almost identical so the shifting of objects to make different patterns seems to be unnecessary and it's much better to simply see the same thing twice no that's boring quit w





big box

(・∀・) welcome to flavortown
[[Pika]]

FiddleBlue wrote:

Hi from your queue.
I'm gonna assume hitsound diff isn't a real diff.


Pika's Insane
  1. 00:44:717 (3,4) - Why not space these two as what you did previously? oops
  2. 00:56:717 (2,3,4) - Perhaps shape this into an equilateral triangle instead so that circle 3 placing won't look random. revamp
  3. 01:35:459 (1) - This circle is placed in a weird spot as it to the slider, the stacking goes to the left, but then it goes to right on 01:35:802 (3,2,2,2) - . I think it's better if this part follows one stack movement(?). different section different stacking
  4. 01:40:774 (2) - Why not overlap this with 01:39:574 (3) - tail instead since it's a bit odd for the stacking to go two direction instead of one.fine
Good luck!
[[Pika]]
Hishiro Chizuru
NM

Easy:

01:43:002 (1) - I would change this so that the spacing from 01:42:659 (4) - is linear-ish to 01:41:631 (3,4) - and that the rotation is anti-clockwise. The repeating slider calls for a rotation change

Normal:

00:24:831 (3) - make two circles on the ends of 00:23:459 (1,2) - , rotate 60 degrees, make a triangle and place the note there
01:28:602 (5) - just wondering why you used a red anchor

Hard:

00:27:231 (3) - follow this pattern 00:27:231 (3) - you did here (you're gonna have to change 00:27:231 (3) - as well)
00:32:717 (3) - same deal here
01:10:774 (3) - I can't seem to find a pattern for this rhythm in the song as sometimes you use red anchors and sometimes you use white anchors for the same two sliders
I also noticed you alternated flow on the same sounding patterns mentioned on the line above. On a hard difficulty I would suggest staying consistent.
01:40:259 (1,3) - you stack here but overlap here 01:31:345 (3,5) -

Insane:

00:58:945 (6) - overlap here is fairly hard to read especially with slider end circles and this not being all that exciting of a part of the song. Overlap like this 00:59:631 (2,4) - is much easier to read
01:03:231 (1,2) - unexpected, and music doesn't change much
01:30:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - a lot of back and forth in this diff in general, not just this pattern specifically. Imo a bit boring when it gets too repetitive from a gameplay perspective
You use a lot of overlaps, but the spacing of overlaps (between one circle/sliderhead/sliderend and the next) isn't consistent. Just a personal nitpick of mine, it's still completely playable

Let Me Go:

00:26:888 (2,3) - ctrl+g or something. Keeping a clockwise flow seems good here
00:29:631 (2) - Same thing about flow
00:59:117 (1) - change rotation of this so that it's anti-clockwise and accomodate the notes after to fit the same flow
01:07:002 (6,1) - so much momentum but so little spacing >.< threw me off on sightread when I tested it
01:19:002 (4) - too distince from other curved sliders, just copy paste the same slider throughout your map for consistency
01:47:117 (1,2) - I would repeat this pattern 01:47:459 (3,4) - here and so on forward as the movement of going from 01:46:774 (5) - to 01:47:117 (1,2) - then to 01:47:459 (3) - is awkward on the hand
Sometimes I found your jumps to suddenly switch rotation without much change in the music, so that threw me off a bit while playing. Otherwise, fun especially for my rank level



GL on rank >w<)b
-[ Prxzm ]-
I feel like Shiro or Monstrata could do an Extra diff justice for this, though if you can't find someone to GD an Extra diff I'll muster what little mapping creativity I have. xd
This song really does deserve an Extra diff though.

P I K A ' S I N S A N E


Comments:
gd Wakusei? (^:
A few bad overlaps, though most of the overlaps were well done. The kiai time is so well done, everything flows so perfectly that even making one tiny change would effect the entire section. I love it; fix the overlaps and keep up the great DnB mapping.

Mod:
• 00:26:888 (4,2) - Ugly overlap. Either stack the circle (2) under the slider (4) or continue with the linear approach you had going before by moving (2) to the left of (1).
• 00:28:259 (3,4) - This is a good overlap.
• 00:39:231 (5) - New Combo here.
• 00:56:888 (3,6) - Ugly overlap. Either move the circle (3) closer to the sliderend or move the slider (6) to the left of (4) facing left.
• 00:59:631 (2,4) - Ugly overlap. I recommend moving the circle (2) to the left of (3) and above (4) for artistic purposes, though otherwise just move the circle (2) closer to the sliderend.
• Sidenote: Excellent kiai section. Don't change a damn thing, it's beautiful.
E P I C S T E V E ' S H A R D


Comments:
Pretty well done already, just a few minor errors that can be easily fixed.

Mod:
• 00:42:317 (5) - Fix blanket; use tiny grid size to fix it. (x132 y292)
• 00:58:259 (2,1) - Ugly overlap due to poor blanketing. Try to center the two a bit more.
• 01:17:973 (5,6,1) - Uneven spacing here. Try to get (6) closer to (5) whilst still keeping it the same distance from (1).
N O R M A L


Comments:
Already ready for ranking here, just a couple minor technical errors.

Mod:
• 00:23:459 (1,2,3) - Blanket the (2) and (3) better. I know it's a normal and consistent spacing is crucial, but don't be afraid to go a little outside the box to keep blankets beautiful.
• 01:08:717 (4) - New Combo here.
• 01:22:431 (4) - New Combo here.
• 01:38:888 (4) - New Combo here.
• 01:47:117 (4) - New Combo here.
E A S Y


Comments:
No minor technical issues, just one objective issue with a simple fix. Other than that, map is perfect as it is.

Mod:
• 00:35:802 (3) - An aesthetic, flow, and consistency issue all at the same time. Lower this to (x168 y200) to fix all of the errors at once, then adjust the following spacings accordingly.
Yamicchi

-[ Prxzm ]- wrote:

I feel like Shiro or Monstrata could do an Extra diff justice for this, though if you can't find someone to GD an Extra diff I'll muster what little mapping creativity I have. xd
This song really does deserve an Extra diff though.
Hi I'm Shiro, also known as Monstrata

07:58 Einja: i have bad news
07:58 Yamicchi: tell me
07:58 Einja: the extra on vagrant has been scrapped
07:58 Yamicchi: why?
07:59 Einja: it's driving bns to not bubble it
07:59 Einja: and personally, i think it's not that good
07:59 Einja: compared to my lower diffs and gds
07:59 Yamicchi: so what are you doing to it atm
07:59 Einja: ranking it without an extra
08:00 Einja: i'm still ranking it
08:00 Yamicchi: nah nah
08:00 Yamicchi: why
08:00 Einja: because
08:00 Einja: i feel like the extra i made is really ugly
08:00 Yamicchi: no I mean, ranking it without extra
08:00 Yamicchi: is no
08:00 Einja: and most of the circles/sliders don't correlate to each other
08:00 Yamicchi: the mapping ability of the song is better than just Insane
08:01 Einja: :/
08:01 Einja: but i really can't make jumps for shit
08:02 Einja: without them looking nice
08:02 Yamicchi: can I try?
08:02 Einja: yes
08:02 Einja: i beg you master
08:03 Yamicchi: k so I'll try to map it in 3 hours
08:03 Yamicchi: let's see what I can do
08:03 Einja: i had plaudible and mir tell me it's not that good
08:03 Einja: holy shit you are amazing
08:03 Einja: i'll copy the hitsounds
08:03 Yamicchi: ok


7:58 to 10:39 a.m.
Great

http://puu.sh/wK75x/1433445f8f.rar
Topic Starter
Einja
not the hero we want, but the hero we need (yamicchi you are a legend thank you so much)
Epicsteve2

[ amb1d3x ] wrote:

Hard:

00:27:231 (3) - follow this pattern 00:27:231 (3) - you did here (you're gonna have to change 00:27:231 (3) - as well) Uhh I don't quite understand. The "pattern" you're talking about is the same 3 sliders
00:32:717 (3) - same deal here
01:10:774 (3) - I can't seem to find a pattern for this rhythm in the song as sometimes you use red anchors and sometimes you use white anchors for the same two sliders I want to have more variety in my aesthetics. I feel like using only mirrored curves and straight sliders would get bland after a while
I also noticed you alternated flow on the same sounding patterns mentioned on the line above. On a hard difficulty I would suggest staying consistent. I don't really find anything wrong with flow in my map. Could you be more specific?
01:40:259 (1,3) - you stack here but overlap here 01:31:345 (3,5) - Yep, fixed
E P I C S T E V E ' S H A R D
Comments:
Pretty well done already, just a few minor errors that can be easily fixed. <3

Mod:
• 00:42:317 (5) - Fix blanket; use tiny grid size to fix it. (x132 y292) Actually I mapped this mostly without grid snap LOL fixed
• 00:58:259 (2,1) - Ugly overlap due to poor blanketing. Try to center the two a bit more. With hit animations turned on, the overlap isn't that visible. It looks even worse to me if you but the circle inside the slider body.
• 01:17:973 (5,6,1) - Uneven spacing here. Try to get (6) closer to (5) whilst still keeping it the same distance from (1). Nudged
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EDIT: Rip let me go diff :(
[Nemesis]
Mod from my queue.

Insane

00:44:202 (2,3) - I feel like you can increase the spacing here, I mean the gap is 3/2 of a beat so I think that it's kinda underdone there
01:00:488 (1,3) - I completely understand your reasoning between 01:00:831 (2,4) -, they're stronger sounds so they're mapped a little rougher (straight line and a red anchor), but (1) and (3) are way softer, I suggest you use 01:01:174 (3) - 's shape in both instances
01:04:088 (2) - equal spacing between 01:03:574 (1,2) - would improve aesthetics a lot
01:05:974 (1,1,1) - hmm, I'd space it just a little more, I feel like smooth jumps would be a bit more fitting
01:13:517 (3,2) - stack
01:23:802 (1) - fancy shapes like this one introduced so late into the song (7/10ths of a song!) would be kinda misleading, use one of the basic shapes instead to avoid combobreaks. besides there's no distinguishable change in the music so I don't think this fits the concept.
01:28:773 (5) - replace it with a 1/4 slider, the 1/4 break is confusing, trust me

Dreamless Wanderer

00:39:402 (6) - I don't feel like finish is necessary here, maybe it's just me
00:44:717 (4,5,6) - could be a bit offthrowing considering how 00:44:031 (2,3) - is mapped
00:59:802 (3,5,1) - overlaping by like 1 pixel
01:01:859 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - build the other 8 just like these ones, the concept of going back and forth with the jumps is so fitting imo
01:21:059 (1) - not sure if that flows well, besides 01:20:374 (5,1) - stacking is off

All from me, I see barely any issues with Extra, some aesthetics could be improved in Insane but that's about it

gl
[[Pika]]

[ amb1d3x ] wrote:

NM

Insane:

00:58:945 (6) - overlap here is fairly hard to read especially with slider end circles and this not being all that exciting of a part of the song. Overlap like this 00:59:631 (2,4) - is much easier to read fixed
01:03:231 (1,2) - unexpected, and music doesn't change much the siren is expanding dong
01:30:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - a lot of back and forth in this diff in general, not just this pattern specifically. Imo a bit boring when it gets too repetitive from a gameplay perspective the song is boring as fk and i want to keep sr down-ish xd
You use a lot of overlaps, but the spacing of overlaps (between one circle/sliderhead/sliderend and the next) isn't consistent. Just a personal nitpick of mine, it's still completely playable

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Sylas
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extra
00:58:431 (3,4,5) - here u break from the clockwise flow created by 00:57:745 (1,2) with anticlockwise flow. this has the effect of emphasizing these notes but these sounds are quite weak relative to the ones in the other patterns around it (like 00:59:802 (3,4,5) - and 00:56:888 (2,3,4,5) - ) and in those other patterns you didn't break from the circular flow, making this weaker pattern stand out a bit more which doesn't really represent the song too well. i'd suggest making 00:58:431 - go clockwise
01:11:802 (3,4) - here u used uncomfortable flow but 01:17:288 (3,4) - here u used comfortable circular flow. itd be better to stay consistent with this kinda stuff and 01:11:802 (3,4) - plays quite awkwardly anyway so i'd suggest remaking the pattern into something more comfy
01:10:088 (1) - 01:12:831 (1) - 01:15:574 (1) - 01:18:317 (1) - 01:21:059 (1) - 01:23:802 (1) - etc - you used a different slider shape in basically every pattern to represent the same sound. sometimes this can work well (like in wub songs) when it creates a lot of variety and unpredictability to always keep players on their toes, but in this song i don't think it fits very well and feels quite inconsistent. since these notes do stand out from all the other sounds in the chorus by having a lower pitch i do thing they should be mapped differently than the rest, maybe use only red anchor points to create these sliders in contrast with the rest of the sliders in the chorus which are all curvy or straight (stuff like 01:12:831 (1) - or 01:21:059 (1) - is what i mean). this would represent the song very well while still being interesting and allowing room for variety
overall good diff, after a bit of polishing its probably good to go

insane
00:58:259 (3) - it'd be a nice touch if u moved this under 00:57:745 (1) - so the pattern would be similar to 00:58:431 (4,5,6) - cause u know consistency is nice and stuff
01:04:259 (1,2) - the spacing between these is smaller than 01:03:917 (1,2) - which doesn't make sense since its a build up so the spacing should be getting bigger like 01:01:859 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - are progressively getting more spaced out and it doesn't make sense to not continue the build up with 01:04:259 (1,2) -
01:05:288 (1) - move this a little down since its a bit too close to the stream atm
01:08:717 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ok so in the first half of the chorus all these patterns are split into 2 groups 01:08:717 (1,2,1,2) - and 01:09:402 (1,2,1,2) - with bigger spacing. you do this consistently until the 2nd half of the chorus 01:30:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - here u group up the first three pairs and turn the last pair into a 1/2 slider. this feels kinda inconsistent since nothing really changes between the two parts of the chorus other than the addition of vocals. 01:31:688 (1) - i get that the aim of this slider is to follow the vocal but i still feel itd be better if u used the first pattern here too since its quite weird to switch to following vocals one beat before the downbeat and overall it feels more consistent and polished (if u do this make sure u change it everywhere else in the 2nd part of the chorus too)
01:41:288 (5) - move this up a bit, theres a slight overlap with 01:40:774 (2)
damn i really like this diff, good job

hard
hp 4 is a little low for a hard, especially since the start of the map has a low note density which brings down the drain in the whole map (thats how hp drain works) hp 5 would be better
00:55:002 (1,2,3) - this pattern right after a break feels quite sudden with the variable spacing for 1/2s and can throw people off. if u stack them it or space them all with the same distance it feels a lot better
01:00:488 (1) - offscreen note (during gameplay its still on screen but its under the unstable rate thingy which should generally be avoided for readability)
01:12:488 (5,6) - turn these into a 1/2 slider. the double under 01:12:145 (3) - is quite a difficulty spike, especially for hard, and having notes after it leaves no room for players to recover. 1/4 rhythmns should be as simple as possible in hards, since thats the difficulty theyre introduced in. they should usually be limited to triples. doubles are quite difficult in general, but having them in a hard means the rest of the pattern has to adapt to make that double as simple as possible (if u do this change it everywhere else too)
01:28:945 (5,6) - turn into 1/2 slider as well, the 1/4 reverse slider is quite confusing to play since it reverses more than once which is unexpected especially for hard diffs so a 1/2 slider afterwards would allow for more recovery time due to slider leniency while the circles are quite strict (change everywhere else too)

normal
00:28:945 (1) - better consistency if u used 2 1/1 sliders (like 00:23:459 (1,2,3) - )
00:39:917 (1) - ^
01:01:859 (1) - personally not a fan of replacing build up with a spinner but i guess it makes sense in a normal diff
01:09:059 (5,6,7) - i think u should use the same rhythmn as 01:11:802 (5,6) - since u mainly used that pattern and its inconsistent to use something else in one or two places if they're the same sounds
01:22:774 (5,6,7) - ^
01:20:374 (5,6) - shouldn't this be a 1/4 repeat?
01:32:031 (1,2,3) - it feels awkward suddenly switching to vocals here, especially for a normal diff where its imporant to be somewhat consistent with rhythmn, something like this can throw noobies off. its better if u use 01:29:288 (1,2,3) - this rhythmn and keep following the instruments
01:36:488 (5,6,1,2,3) - ^
overall its pretty good but theres some work to do on consistency

easy
nothing significant to say

good luck with the set! :)
Topic Starter
Einja
mods have been discussed with thekoala and prxzm, will replay to amb1dex later
Yamicchi

[Nemesis] wrote:

Dreamless Wanderer

00:39:402 (6) - I don't feel like finish is necessary here, maybe it's just me there's a sound, so why not :3
00:44:717 (4,5,6) - could be a bit offthrowing considering how 00:44:031 (2,3) - is mapped fixed
00:59:802 (3,5,1) - overlaping by like 1 pixel it's not yet overlapping tho
01:01:859 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - build the other 8 just like these ones, the concept of going back and forth with the jumps is so fitting imo nah I think the music barely reach the climax on the next 8 object so I would do sth more rounded and smooth instead of back and forth
01:21:059 (1) - not sure if that flows well, besides 01:20:374 (5,1) - stacking is off fixed stack, kept flow

gl

TheKoala wrote:

yo m4m
extra
00:58:431 (3,4,5) - here u break from the clockwise flow created by 00:57:745 (1,2) with anticlockwise flow. this has the effect of emphasizing these notes but these sounds are quite weak relative to the ones in the other patterns around it (like 00:59:802 (3,4,5) - and 00:56:888 (2,3,4,5) - ) and in those other patterns you didn't break from the circular flow, making this weaker pattern stand out a bit more which doesn't really represent the song too well. i'd suggest making 00:58:431 - go clockwise actually the flow goes like http://puu.sh/wKD7C/737557d1b9.jpg so I don't think it's emphasized enough as you are saying.
01:11:802 (3,4) - here u used uncomfortable flow but 01:17:288 (3,4) - here u used comfortable circular flow. itd be better to stay consistent with this kinda stuff and 01:11:802 (3,4) - plays quite awkwardly anyway so i'd suggest remaking the pattern into something more comfy
01:10:088 (1) - 01:12:831 (1) - 01:15:574 (1) - 01:18:317 (1) - 01:21:059 (1) - 01:23:802 (1) - etc - you used a different slider shape in basically every pattern to represent the same sound. sometimes this can work well (like in wub songs) when it creates a lot of variety and unpredictability to always keep players on their toes, but in this song i don't think it fits very well and feels quite inconsistent. since these notes do stand out from all the other sounds in the chorus by having a lower pitch i do thing they should be mapped differently than the rest, maybe use only red anchor points to create these sliders in contrast with the rest of the sliders in the chorus which are all curvy or straight (stuff like 01:12:831 (1) - or 01:21:059 (1) - is what i mean). this would represent the song very well while still being interesting and allowing room for variety
overall good diff, after a bit of polishing its probably good to go well for a repeatative kiai imo it's better to create a few slider shape rather than just 1 or 2. Idk it feels better to me as I don't quite prefer using too little slider shapes. Also about the flow thingy I believe it's fine the way it is right now, so no change :3

good luck with the set! :)
Thanks for the mod everyone \o/

osu file format v14

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[Metadata]
Title:Vagrant (feat. Veela)
TitleUnicode:Vagrant (feat. Veela)
Artist:Feint
ArtistUnicode:Feint
Creator:Einja
Version:Yamicchi's Dreamless Wanderer
Source:
Tags:dnb liquicity alchemy drum and bass cut version epicsteve2 pika [[pika]] epicsteve yamicchi
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Epicsteve2

TheKoala wrote:

hard
hp 4 is a little low for a hard, especially since the start of the map has a low note density which brings down the drain in the whole map (thats how hp drain works) hp 5 would be better Oops changed
00:55:002 (1,2,3) - this pattern right after a break feels quite sudden with the variable spacing for 1/2s and can throw people off. if u stack them it or space them all with the same distance it feels a lot better It really isn't that sudden or hard. Stacking won't make any sense spacing-wise, and I don't think spacing the circles out would make it any easier
01:00:488 (1) - offscreen note (during gameplay its still on screen but its under the unstable rate thingy which should generally be avoided for readability) Fixed
01:12:488 (5,6) - turn these into a 1/2 slider. the double under 01:12:145 (3) - is quite a difficulty spike, especially for hard, and having notes after it leaves no room for players to recover. 1/4 rhythmns should be as simple as possible in hards, since thats the difficulty theyre introduced in. they should usually be limited to triples. doubles are quite difficult in general, but having them in a hard means the rest of the pattern has to adapt to make that double as simple as possible (if u do this change it everywhere else too) It's not a difficulty spike at all. The triple is connected to the slider so it's much more simple than having a triple by itself. It doesn't necessarily have to be easier either. 1/4 rhythms are supposed to be hard
01:28:945 (5,6) - turn into 1/2 slider as well, the 1/4 reverse slider is quite confusing to play since it reverses more than once which is unexpected especially for hard diffs so a 1/2 slider afterwards would allow for more recovery time due to slider leniency while the circles are quite strict (change everywhere else too) Again, I don't think it's necessary to make this part easier.
Thanks <3
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Yugu
hi!
from m4m
your map have 20+SP so maybe i will mod it from my subjective opinion and can t give you objective opinion :?

00:59:802 (3,1) - just a suggestion.a bit overlap is not beautiful.how about move the note up
01:00:488 (1,3) - ^
01:34:088 (4,1) - ^ (maybe this one is hard to change it :o )
01:02:888 (7,8) - why they are not the same as 01:01:859 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 's jump mode :thinking:

can t mod it more
high quality's diff :o
01:13:517 (3,2) - stack?
01:16:088 (3,5) - your map use a lot of regularity like 01:14:888 (1,1,1,3) - why 01:16:088 (3,5) - don t keep follow it.....
how about this :)

01:18:659 (1,2,4) - how about make 1 to 4's ds the same as 4 to 2

can t mod it more too :o
00:56:888 (2,3,1) - too crowded :o
01:10:602 (2,1) - also just a suggestion,how about try to don t touch the note


I tried my best.... :?
It is a good map!

gl!
Enkrypton
Modding for my boy Epicsteve2 <3

Epicsteve's Hard

remember when we both farmed the heck outta this song when we were 6 digits lol

suggestion: 00:24:145 (2) - maybe make this with just ctrl+j of 00:23:459 (1) -
suggestion: 00:28:945 (1,2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8602184 maybe try this to form like a "straight line" feel instead of the "bump up" or you can blanket too
00:36:145 (4) - curve this and blanket to 00:35:117 (2) - , that would looks real juicy
00:56:374 (1,1) - stack the slider tails, common and accepted design. Partial overlaps can look random and re-using positions is always good for low SR
01:24:831 (4,1) - maybe like 1 degrees CW to make these 100% parallel: http://puu.sh/wKJsF/b0cf7b04f3.jpg
01:29:288 (1,1) - stack slider tail and head, same logic as 2 mods up
01:50:888 (5,6,1) - try to form some shape this this instead of a random angle lmao

Get that first GD ranked for me dood, VERY good luck! i mean it!
Naoya
Short NM

00:28:945 (1) - The slider goes offscreen/playfield

00:37:174 (1) - Same thing as ^

00:40:602 (2) - ^

It's just a little, not sure, but it might affect rankability

00:59:117 (1,2,3,4,5) - You folow the vocals which is the stronger sound, then move to the instruments which is a weaker sound. I suggest doing sliders instead but, it's just me being nitpicky

That's about it for this one. It's pretty solid imo.
00:57:745 (1,2,3) - There isn't a sound in the 2 so I think just remove that


That's about it I didn't do the normal or easy diff because I don't think I can mod those accurately since I haven't modded any of those nor do I play them.

All in all it's a pretty solid set! I would love to see this ranked! Good luck.
Yamicchi

Yugu wrote:

hi!

00:59:802 (3,1) - just a suggestion.a bit overlap is not beautiful.how about move the note up just to clarify, because there's a mod mentioned this before, it's not touching in my skin http://puu.sh/wKLvv/5ff7b21b12.jpg but still, I'll fixed it.
01:00:488 (1,3) - ^ as I fixed the above, this is accidentally fixed too xd
01:34:088 (4,1) - ^ (maybe this one is hard to change it :o )this is fine :3
01:02:888 (7,8) - why they are not the same as 01:01:859 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 's jump mode :thinking: to warn players about the changing jump patterns, also I like it that way :3

can t mod it more
high quality's diff :o


gl!

Naoya wrote:

00:28:945 (1) - The slider goes offscreen/playfield more like it touched the health bar, fixed

00:37:174 (1) - Same thing as ^ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8602548 this is fine to me xd

00:40:602 (2) - ^ fine too~

It's just a little, not sure, but it might affect rankability

00:59:117 (1,2,3,4,5) - You folow the vocals which is the stronger sound, then move to the instruments which is a weaker sound. I suggest doing sliders instead but, it's just me being nitpicky it might become undermapped if I ignore one of them, so I tried that pattern, which supports both.

That's about it for this one. It's pretty solid imo.


All in all it's a pretty solid set! I would love to see this ranked! Good luck.
Thanks guys :3

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Epicsteve2
3 mods in an hour wtf

Yugu wrote:

00:56:888 (2,3,1) - too crowded :oAdjusted a little
01:10:602 (2,1) - also just a suggestion,how about try to don t touch the note Ehh it's barely visible if you turn hit animations on. Plus, adjusting that slider would ruin the triangular spacing thing

Enkrypton wrote:

Modding for my boy Epicsteve2 <3 i love you <3

Epicsteve's Hard

remember when we both farmed the heck outta this song when we were 6 digits lol Nah dude i farmed the top diff at 5 digits :^)

suggestion: 00:24:145 (2) - maybe make this with just ctrl+j of 00:23:459 (1) - I think my current one looks better
suggestion: 00:28:945 (1,2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8602184 maybe try this to form like a "straight line" feel instead of the "bump up" or you can blanket too Yep, adjusted
00:36:145 (4) - curve this and blanket to 00:35:117 (2) - , that would looks real juicy Yep
00:56:374 (1,1) - stack the slider tails, common and accepted design. Partial overlaps can look random and re-using positions is always good for low SR Yep
01:24:831 (4,1) - maybe like 1 degrees CW to make these 100% parallel: http://puu.sh/wKJsF/b0cf7b04f3.jpg fuggin nitpickerSure
01:29:288 (1,1) - stack slider tail and head, same logic as 2 mods up Nudged
01:50:888 (5,6,1) - try to form some shape this this instead of a random angle lmao I don't really think it's necessary to make everything have a shape

Get that first GD ranked for me dood, VERY good luck! i mean it! Thanks man <3

Naoya wrote:

00:57:745 (1,2,3) - There isn't a sound in the 2 so I think just remove that I think that would be very awkward to play since there will be a break in the rhythm.
Thx for mods!
osu file format v14

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323,300,109002,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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