Feint - Vagrant (feat. Veela)

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Topic Starter
Einja
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 7:10:52 PM

Artist: Feint
Title: Vagrant (feat. Veela)
Tags: dnb liquicity alchemy drum and bass cut version epicsteve2 pika [[pika]] epicsteve yamicchi
BPM: 175
Filesize: 4749kb
Play Time: 01:51
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (1.52 stars, 95 notes)
  2. Epicsteve's Hard (3.37 stars, 235 notes)
  3. Normal (2.05 stars, 140 notes)
  4. Pika's Insane (4.52 stars, 316 notes)
  5. Yamicchi's Dreamless Wanderer (5.32 stars, 320 notes)


Download: Feint - Vagrant (feat. Veela)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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To stay loyal without going too far
If I see her again
Promise I won't cry

Hey, remember when you said I wasn't strong enough?
I'll show you now, I won't back down
easy - me
normal - me
hard - epicsteve2
insane - [[pika]]
dreamless wanderer - yamicchi (Massive thanks to Yamicchi for hitsounding THANKS FOR BEING A HERO <3)
Fursum
00:53 *Fursum is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1328459 Feint - Vagrant (feat. Veela)]
00:53 Einja: hio
00:53 Einja: hi
00:53 Fursum: hey
00:53 Einja: just take a quick look no modding
00:53 Fursum: ima play it
00:53 Einja: yeah?
00:53 Einja: k
00:55 Fursum: looks fine
00:55 Einja: ok thanks
00:55 Einja: ez pp
00:56 Fursum: 00:24:831 (3,4) - do you want to stack this
00:56 Einja: yes
00:57 Fursum: 00:30:317 (3,4) -
00:57 Fursum: you did not
00:57 Einja: i had no room left for 00:24:831 (3,4) -
00:58 Fursum: a linear pattern maybe
00:58 Einja: 00:25:517 (4) - move this to the left and it'll be too far to the next note
00:58 Einja: move right and it'll be too close
00:58 Einja: so i really can't do much about it
00:58 Fursum: reduce the spacing on the second one
00:58 Einja: what
00:58 Einja: that'd look ugly lol
00:58 Fursum: why
00:58 Fursum: make them a wide triangle
00:59 Fursum: or make them linear
00:59 Einja: example please of triangle
01:00 Fursum: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8454564
01:00 Fursum: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8454573
01:01 Fursum: 01:04:602 - also the stream should be linear then curved
01:01 Fursum: for a better buildup feel
01:02 Einja: ok first i changed the stacked notes a little
01:02 Einja: because of ds emphasis
01:02 Einja: and why should the stream be linear lol
01:02 Fursum: linear then curved
01:02 Fursum: not curved then linear
01:03 Einja: would it matter? :eyes:
01:03 Fursum: buildup?
01:03 Einja: no it won't make a difference
01:04 Fursum: the curved part has more velocity
01:05 Einja: 01:05:202 (8,1) - this bends the stream making it more closed up
01:05 Einja: which gives a bit greater emphasis
01:05 Fursum: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8454603
01:05 Fursum: comparison
01:05 Einja: what
01:05 Einja: im not doing that lol
01:05 Fursum: no i didnt mean that
01:05 Einja: oh
01:05 Fursum: just pointing out that linear part is smaller
01:05 Fursum: in velocity
01:05 Einja: yeah ik that
01:06 Fursum: so it doesnt fit the buildup because it slows down
01:06 Einja: ok how about
01:06 Einja: i swap the 2 streams around
01:06 Fursum: yeah thats what i meant from the start
01:07 Fursum: it should be linear then curved
01:07 Einja: works for me
01:08 Fursum: although you cant really flow that one
01:09 Einja: wdym
01:09 Einja: it's fine to me
01:09 Fursum: how about 2 kicksliders then a curved stream
01:09 Einja: no
01:09 Einja: no sliders for stream buildups
01:10 Fursum: well, it fits with the 1/2 heavy map
01:10 Fursum: because its 1/2 until this point
01:10 Einja: you know how awkward it is for have kicksliders in a build up
01:10 Einja: especially dnb
01:11 Fursum: why not
01:12 Einja: no kicksliders because rip flow
01:12 Einja: i haven't used kicksliders at all in that map
01:13 Fursum: 1/4 sliders ? xd
01:13 Einja: no
01:13 Einja: not at all
01:14 Fursum: eh
01:14 Fursum: kiai felt a bit repetitive btw
01:15 Einja: better than random flow breaks out of nowhere
01:15 Fursum: well its not an issue just my opinion
01:16 Fursum: on to normal
01:16 Einja: im stating my opinion as well
01:16 Fursum: 00:28:088 (5) - this is unnecessary
01:17 Fursum: need two notes here 00:39:231 - and here 00:39:402 -
01:18 Einja: ok removed the accidental overmap
01:18 Fursum: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8454714 how is this
01:19 Einja: oh god
01:19 Einja: i fucked up my rhythm
01:19 Fursum: 00:56:031 - this should be clickable as well
01:20 Fursum: 01:31:345 (5,6) - broke the rythm
01:20 Einja: nah for 00:55:517 (2) - if i made that clickable
01:20 Einja: it won't have as much impact on 00:56:374 (3) -
01:21 Einja: 01:31:345 (5,6) - kiai starts up again
01:21 Einja: and so do lyrics
01:21 Einja: so new rhythm introduced to not be so boring
01:21 Fursum: 01:31:688 - this needs to be clickable then
01:21 Fursum: also for this part 00:55:517 -
01:22 Einja: ok
01:22 Fursum: just switch the face of the curve
01:22 Einja: i ctrl + g'd it
01:22 Einja: 01:31:345 (5,6) -
01:22 Fursum: then you got yourself a nice emphasis
01:22 Einja: 00:55:517 (2) - if i curve it and resnap it for ds
01:22 Einja: hm wait
01:23 Fursum: in short, make the angle sharper
01:23 Einja: doesn't make much of a difference
01:23 Einja: but oh well
01:24 Fursum: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8454759
01:25 Einja: if i made the slider end clickable
01:25 Einja: emphasis won't be as great on 00:56:374 (3) -
01:25 Fursum: why not
01:26 Einja: it'll ruin emphasis ww
01:26 Fursum: you used sharper angles for emphasis though
01:27 Einja: i didn't use sharp angles
01:27 Einja: http://prntscr.com/foxxwr
01:27 Einja: only curve it like this
01:27 Fursum: by sharper i meant not wide
01:27 Einja: i know that
01:27 Einja: i'd rather emphasize slider 3 with the slider 2 end not being clickable
01:28 Einja: because it's better imo
01:28 Fursum: thats a sharp angle lol
01:28 Einja: can i emphasize it with a sharp angle and nonclickable
01:28 Einja: because that's good to me
01:29 Fursum: eh, fine
01:29 Fursum: dont forget to swap this as well 01:47:802 (6,7) -
01:30 Einja: ok
01:31 Fursum: regarding easy, the kiai is a bit weak compared to the previous buildup part
01:31 Fursum: the long sliders make it slow
01:32 Einja: not really
01:32 Einja: long sliders make a downbeat
01:32 Fursum: second part of the kiai is fine
01:32 Fursum: you can make the first part same
01:33 Einja: 1st part doesn't
01:33 Einja: 2nd part has lyrics
01:33 Einja: and 2nd part is more intense
01:35 Fursum: i still suggest splitting the long sliders into two 1/1 s
01:35 Einja: nah
01:35 Einja: it would ruin the down beat
01:36 Fursum: thats all i guess
[[Pika]]
[url]
[code][/code]
[/url] ok here u go
Kurogami
Hi! M4M.
I modded your last diff and Pika's Insane because hard was only 3.3*.

00:28:431 (6) - Maybe slider to red tick instead of circle?
00:33:917 (4) - Same as above but to white tick?
01:05:289 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I'd use the same spacing as in 01:04:602 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8). Second part ot the stream is too big in my opinion.
The rest looks fine for me.
00:26:031 (2,3) - This is the only one double with larger spacing than the others. I'd lower it to 0,26 like in most of th rest.
01:05:974 (6,7,8) - Sliders instead of circles because there are some weeker sounds on red ticks.
00:58:945 (6) 01:10:431 (1) 01:13:345 (2) 01:13:517 (1) 01:15:917 (2) 01:18:831 (2) 01:19:002 (1) 01:21:402 (2) 01:24:317 (2) 01:24:488 (1) 01:29:802 (2) 01:29:974 (1) 01:35:288 (2) 01:35:459 (1) 01:40:774 (2) 01:40:945 (1) 01:43:859 (6) - I'd place all of them on sliderend instead of placing next to. I changed it and played the map once again and it was more comfortable but it's only my opinion.
Stack
General

Unsapped objects on Pika's Insane

Tags conflict with Pika's Insane

Fix widescreen support being on on some diffs and off on others
Pika's Insane

00:33:745 (1,2) - space this the same as 00:28:259 (3,4) - beacause it's the same sound and also consistency

00:39:231 (5,6) - ^, c o n s i s t e n c y

00:43:174 (4,5) - the sound between these 2 on the red tick seems pretty important for me so map it (instrumental + vocal)

00:58:431 (4,6) - overlaps like this look pretty bad imo, but opinions between people may vary

01:05:973 (1,1,1,1) - those sounds on the red ticks are pretty loud and even the hard diff mapped those so it would be weird not to map them here

In the kiai, you nc way too much, 01:13:517 (1) - like this, I kinda get the repeating overlapping jumps but this nc is really not needed
01:17:631 (1) - also this one, 01:12:145 (3) - you did not give this one although 01:17:631 (1) - has one
You nc so much it loses its importance

01:26:545 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I get you want it to be less than like 4.7 but this is just too little spacing for like almost the loudest 12 sounds in the entire song

01:28:945 (4,5) - just normal circle work better as there is no sound on the blue tick to emphasize with 1/4

01:48:488 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - same as the other section about this pattern

This map is consistent in it's patterns but actually even a bit too consistent as jumps like 01:30:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - are really boring if you have to play 10 sets of them in the kiai. So change up some of those as it's always just the same thing and thats not that fun to play
Let Me Go

I feel like the aesthetics in the slow section could be polished a bit, It doesn't look horrible but it can be improved on

00:35:117 (2,4) - blanket police

01:04:431 (6,1) - entry into the stream is pretty bad, somethign like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8459415, would probably play better
I did not place them exactly right but this is just to suggest the general shape

01:10:088 (1,3) - maybe make 01:10:088 (1) - blanket 01:10:774 (3) - a bit better

01:10:774 (3,4) - this feel like a bad way to change flow into another direction as it's a really sudden change
Also why are these not the same shape

01:12:659 (9,3) - fix overlap as they touch rn

01:18:317 (1,2,3,4,5) - As the rest of your map has some distinctive circular flow I would use that here too

01:19:345 (5) - how about making this into a straight slider so you it doesn't point opposite direction of the flow you are going into

01:26:545 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing between these stacks seems really small, would up it by quite a bit as it's a buildup in a kiai

01:31:688 (6,1) - Why is the sapcing so low, this beat is like super heavy with vocal on top of it

01:50:202 (5,1) - stream already started between these notes so make it like that previous stream at 01:27:917 (1) -

01:43:859 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - spacing feels a bit too small, especially as this one does not have the increase beacause it's a short jumpsection
This diff gives me flashbacks to the ranked version
Topic Starter
Einja

Kurogami wrote:

Hi! M4M.
I modded your last diff and Pika's Insane because hard was only 3.3*.

gottagof4ast wrote:

General

Unsapped objects on Pika's Insane

Tags conflict with Pika's Insane

Fix widescreen support being on on some diffs and off on others yup
Let Me Go

I feel like the aesthetics in the slow section could be polished a bit, It doesn't look horrible but it can be improved on the aesthetics look fine to me imo

00:35:117 (2,4) - blanket police oh no im under arrest

01:04:431 (6,1) - entry into the stream is pretty bad, somethign like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8459415, would probably play better
I did not place them exactly right but this is just to suggest the general shape flow break on stream is intentional, new part of song and the curve in the beginning seems fine to me if you play it

01:10:088 (1,3) - maybe make 01:10:088 (1) - blanket 01:10:774 (3) - a bit better this wasn't suppose to be a blanket lol, but ok

01:10:774 (3,4) - this feel like a bad way to change flow into another direction as it's a really sudden change
Also why are these not the same shape try playing it, it flows okay because of sliders. also they are the same shape?

01:12:659 (9,3) - fix overlap as they touch rn whoopsie

01:18:317 (1,2,3,4,5) - As the rest of your map has some distinctive circular flow I would use that here too i agree with you, but i really can't do much because if i try circular flow, slider 4 would go offscreen, but i'll move a few objects around and see what i can do

01:19:345 (5) - how about making this into a straight slider so you it doesn't point opposite direction of the flow you are going into nah

01:26:545 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing between these stacks seems really small, would up it by quite a bit as it's a buildup in a kiai new part of song = new patterns, and spacing seems fine to me since they're stacks

01:31:688 (6,1) - Why is the sapcing so low, this beat is like super heavy with vocal on top of it nudged it away a little

01:50:202 (5,1) - stream already started between these notes so make it like that previous stream at 01:27:917 (1) - ye

01:43:859 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - spacing feels a bit too small, especially as this one does not have the increase beacause it's a short jumpsection ill see what i can do about this one
This diff gives me flashbacks to the ranked versioni got inspiration from that ranked set lol

tanks for your mods guys
[[Pika]]

Kurogami wrote:

Hi! M4M.
I modded your last diff and Pika's Insane because hard was only 3.3*.


00:26:031 (2,3) - This is the only one double with larger spacing than the others. I'd lower it to 0,26 like in most of th rest. k
01:05:974 (6,7,8) - Sliders instead of circles because there are some weeker sounds on red ticks. emphasis on tom tom no
00:58:945 (6) 01:10:431 (1) 01:13:345 (2) 01:13:517 (1) 01:15:917 (2) 01:18:831 (2) 01:19:002 (1) 01:21:402 (2) 01:24:317 (2) 01:24:488 (1) 01:29:802 (2) 01:29:974 (1) 01:35:288 (2) 01:35:459 (1) 01:40:774 (2) 01:40:945 (1) 01:43:859 (6) - I'd place all of them on sliderend instead of placing next to. I changed it and played the map once again and it was more comfortable but it's only my opinion. everything else is stacked so consistency :/
thank for mod
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-AsrieLx-
I find nothing wrong. Here. have a star :D
Topic Starter
Einja

-AsrieLx- wrote:

I find nothing wrong. Here. have a star :D
ty! owo
Stack
@[[Pika]] finished mod on the insane a bit higher up so check that one
also put the code in a box so it does not take up the entire page
[[Pika]]

gottagof4ast wrote:

General

Unsapped objects on Pika's Insane

Tags conflict with Pika's Insane

Fix widescreen support being on on some diffs and off on others
Pika's Insane

00:33:745 (1,2) - space this the same as 00:28:259 (3,4) - beacause it's the same sound and also consistency fixed

00:39:231 (5,6) - ^, c o n s i s t e n c y f i x e d

00:43:174 (4,5) - the sound between these 2 on the red tick seems pretty important for me so map it (instrumental + vocal) fine

00:58:431 (4,6) - overlaps like this look pretty bad imo, but opinions between people may vary they're all 8 pixel overlaps :^)

01:05:973 (1,1,1,1) - those sounds on the red ticks are pretty loud and even the hard diff mapped those so it would be weird not to map them here ok

In the kiai, you nc way too much, 01:13:517 (1) - like this, I kinda get the repeating overlapping jumps but this nc is really not needed
01:17:631 (1) - also this one, 01:12:145 (3) - you did not give this one although 01:17:631 (1) - has one
You nc so much it loses its importance updated ncs

01:26:545 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I get you want it to be less than like 4.7 but this is just too little spacing for like almost the loudest 12 sounds in the entire song can't fix this part without killing flow and/or breaking the part after it :/

01:28:945 (4,5) - just normal circle work better as there is no sound on the blue tick to emphasize with 1/4 but then it looks really weird with two circles :/
patterning


01:48:488 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - same as the other section about this pattern updated i guess

This map is consistent in it's patterns but actually even a bit too consistent as jumps like 01:30:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - are really boring if you have to play 10 sets of them in the kiai. So change up some of those as it's always just the same thing and thats not that fun to play
This diff gives me flashbacks to the ranked version
osu file format v14

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Title:Vagrant (feat. Veela)
TitleUnicode:Vagrant (feat. Veela)
Artist:Feint
ArtistUnicode:Feint
Creator:Einja
Version:Pika's Insane
Source:
Tags:dnb liquicity alchemy drum and bass cut version epicsteve2 pika [[pika]]
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Hytex
wow great map couldn't mod it
so a few suggestions i guess..

00:33:059 (3) - maybe kinda improve this slider?

00:55:517 (4,6) - make them the same or something like that, so it looks neat
like this one 01:50:202 (5,6) -

edit: p.s this is the let me go something diff
Dashing
Hey love the song :)

Let Me Go diff
01:20:717 (7,1) - try to blanket here

other than that looks great jumps seem well calculated sliders look nice just look out for more spots to blanket the jumps. :)


Epicsteve's hard
01:50:888 (6,7,1) - why the little jump
great use of blankets looks so nice


im sorry only find 2 things but wow is this a great map pray for rank :):)
Topic Starter
Einja

Hytex wrote:

wow great map couldn't mod it
so a few suggestions i guess..

00:33:059 (3) - maybe kinda improve this slider? please give an example on how to "improve" this slider

00:55:517 (4,6) - make them the same or something like that, so it looks neat
like this one 01:50:202 (5,6) - why not

edit: p.s this is the let me go something diff

Dashing wrote:

Hey love the song :)

Let Me Go diff
01:20:717 (7,1) - try to blanket here it would be nice if this was a blanket, but if i ended up doing that, flow with the next set of jumps would break easily and i don't want that.

other than that looks great jumps seem well calculated sliders look nice just look out for more spots to blanket the jumps. :)

^
im sorry only find 2 things but wow is this a great map pray for rank :):)
thanks guys
Epicsteve2

Dashing wrote:

Hey love the song :)Same

Epicsteve's hard
01:50:888 (6,7,1) - why the little jump Yeah made bigger and slightly changed angle
great use of blankets looks so nice<3


im sorry only find 2 things but wow is this a great map pray for rank :):)
Thanks man

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Bubblun
From my queue doing m4m

General

Add Epicsteve to the tags.

You don't need 'pika' in the tags as their username is already in there.


Let Me Go

00:23:459 (1,2,3) - In general this feels unstructured. 3 could form a triangle with the sliders and the blanket could be fixed.

00:28:945 (1,2,3) - This is the same section of the song, so this movement's unexpected. Try to map a variation of your first pattern.

01:14:202 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - In general jump spams for this section are overmap. I'll explain why.
While yes there are distinct beats there, they're not all the same intensity, so some sliders could fit in there.

01:28:945 - The gap between the 2 kiais can be bigger. I suggest toggling it off here instead of the 1/4 tick.

01:29:802 (2,3) - The emphasis is on 2 so the slider fits better here.

01:49:859 (1,2,3,4,5) - You want your hitsounding to compliment not only the song, but your rhythm as well. Silencing half of the stream is unintuitive to play, so I suggest hitsounding the whole thing.


Pika's Insane

00:28:431 (4) - The finish is obnoxious lol. Turn the volume down on it a bit.

00:33:745 (1) - You don't need the nc here as it's part of the same section as the previous color and it doesn't appear quick enough for the player to miss-read it.

00:33:917 (2) -00:44:889 (4) - Turn the volume down a bit

00:56:717 (2,3,4,5) - Aesthetically this would look better if the triangle formed by 2-4 was perfect.

00:58:774 (5,6) - This is a new idea so the player will miss-read this. A partial overlap would still work, just not that hidden under the slider. I'd say rule of thumb would be half way for anti jumps like this.

01:29:288 (1) - The red nodes are slightly off-center. How I create slider shapes like these is I enable the grid snapping and set it to the smallest setting. I create my slider on there then I rotate accordingly. That might help for creating these in the future.

01:49:517 (1,2) - In order to support your idea this needs to expand with the pattern. Since this is a separate section to the first kiai you can use a variation of the first pattern, which were expanding jumps like this. You can maybe make the patterns dip instead of expand for variation or you can keep the same idea. Both ways would work here.


Epicsteve's Hard

00:23:459 (1,3,1) - For the same section of the song, idk why these sliders are slightly off. While using different curves is okay, these are too similar to be separate ideas, so I suggest copying 1 and rotating accordingly.

00:26:031 (5,1) - These are grouped, so the nc should be on 5 instead of 1.

01:09:745 (4,5) - The automatic stacking nearly entirely hides 5. You'll need to custom stack it so the player can see it.

01:31:687 (4,5) - ^


Normal

00:31:002 (4) - We're still in the same section so this variation doesn't fit here. Try copying the rhythm from 00:25:517 (4) -


gl
Topic Starter
Einja

Bubblun wrote:

From my queue doing m4m

General

Add Epicsteve to the tags. yes

You don't need 'pika' in the tags as their username is already in there. people will look up pika and [[pika]] so i want to put both names in it.


Let Me Go

00:23:459 (1,2,3) - In general this feels unstructured. 3 could form a triangle with the sliders and the blanket could be fixed. sure

00:28:945 (1,2,3) - This is the same section of the song, so this movement's unexpected. Try to map a variation of your first pattern. this part is so slow that not many people will get surprised by this movement, and the ar makes it readable.

01:14:202 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - In general jump spams for this section are overmap. I'll explain why.
While yes there are distinct beats there, they're not all the same intensity, so some sliders could fit in there. i think the jumps are perfectly fine the way they are, they represent the 2nd part after the major downbeat, which starts at 01:07:345 (1) - the synth is also not played often during the jumps, so the jumps are to represent both intense and non-intense drums sounds.

01:28:945 - The gap between the 2 kiais can be bigger. I suggest toggling it off here instead of the 1/4 tick. we'll see about this one

01:29:802 (2,3) - The emphasis is on 2 so the slider fits better here. don't circles give more emphasis than sliders though? :thinking:

01:49:859 (1,2,3,4,5) - You want your hitsounding to compliment not only the song, but your rhythm as well. Silencing half of the stream is unintuitive to play, so I suggest hitsounding the whole thing. will discuss with yamicchi


Normal

00:31:002 (4) - We're still in the same section so this variation doesn't fit here. Try copying the rhythm from 00:25:517 (4) - agree


gl
will discuss hitsounds with yamicchi, thanks for your mod!
Plaudible
quick discussion over the easy and things to work on

17:03 Plaudible: hi xD
17:03 Einja: hi
17:03 Einja: fahnzen's diff is a bad joke taken too far :v
17:05 Plaudible: yeah tbh
17:05 Plaudible: there was a lot of symbolism behind his mapping but
17:05 Plaudible: it just was a little too much
17:05 Einja: 2nd kiai
17:05 Einja: let's go
17:05 Plaudible: im surprised other bn's were willing to push it forward
17:05 Plaudible: hold up one more retry >:v
17:05 Plaudible: i saw your comment btw
17:05 Plaudible: ready for that undeermap
17:05 Einja: :^
17:07 Einja: undermapping better than overmapping :^)
17:07 Plaudible: lmao
17:07 Plaudible: btw idk if you read this comment
17:07 Plaudible: pretty accurate about this diff
17:08 Plaudible: i just wish the 2nd kiai was more than fuck all
17:08 Einja: which one
17:08 Plaudible: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/592897/start=75
17:08 Plaudible: at the bottom
17:08 Einja: i saw
17:08 Einja: symbolism is great
17:08 Einja: but aesthetics and mapping style aren't
17:08 Einja: and that's like the top 2 things a map needs
17:08 Plaudible: yep
17:08 Einja: symbolism goes like last, and sometimes not used xd
17:10 Plaudible: ugh
17:10 Plaudible: i remember this was initially just the master
17:10 Einja: at least you played the diff
17:10 Einja: same
17:10 Plaudible: i checked back later and saw fanzhen + regou's diffs and i thought fanzhen's was incomplete lmao
17:10 Einja: master was so fun
17:10 Einja: LOL
17:10 Plaudible: yeah the master ia amazing
17:10 Plaudible: i was like "dude i could be a part of a handsome set"
17:11 Plaudible: made a basic ass normal and he took it but
17:11 Einja: and you did
17:11 Plaudible: god damn
17:11 Einja: wow
17:11 Plaudible: fucking fanzhen
17:11 Plaudible: no one wanted to bubble/qualify because of it
17:11 Einja: wanna bet this is gonna get dp'd
17:11 Einja: dq'd*
17:11 Einja: :/
17:11 Plaudible: oh yeah if it doesnt there's gonna be angery
17:11 Plaudible: im pretty sure the offset is wrong too
17:11 Einja: did you check it in audacity?
17:12 Plaudible: nop
17:12 Einja: oh
17:12 Einja: regou's diff seemed good
17:12 Plaudible: yee
17:13 Plaudible: regou's a good mapper too for the most part
17:13 Plaudible: less playable but very pretty
17:13 Einja: hard and your normals were great as well
17:13 Einja: normal*
17:13 Plaudible: handsome pls b00t fanzhen thx
17:13 Einja: offtopic but, yamicchi mentioned you that you were good with dnb maps
17:13 Plaudible: HNNGH
17:14 Einja: LOL
17:14 Plaudible: oh
17:14 Plaudible: debatable
17:14 Plaudible: i like making them
17:14 *Einja is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1328459 Feint - Vagrant (feat. Veela)]
17:14 Plaudible: not good at them LOL
17:14 Einja: is it okay if you check this out
17:14 Plaudible: ahh saw him modding this
17:14 Plaudible: sure i'll take a look
17:14 Einja: 8 sp so no bubble yet
17:14 Einja: perferred on the easy cuz that got no mods yet
17:17 Plaudible: i'd avoid 2 circle rhythms early in the map
17:18 Plaudible: they diff spike an easy and are a bit too strong for intor
17:18 Plaudible: intro*
17:19 Einja: 00:23:459 (1,2) - so would this do better as a 2/1 slider?
17:19 Plaudible: nono
17:19 Plaudible: i meant hings like 00:26:888 (2,3) -
17:19 Einja: o
17:19 Einja: 00:26:888 (2,3) - i mean these lyrics emphasized here stand out more
17:19 Einja: but the star rating went down by a lot when i removed them
17:21 Plaudible: tbh without the 2 circle combos early on
17:21 Plaudible: you could get below 1.5
17:21 Plaudible: for that sweet green E on the beatmap info page :^)
17:21 Einja: agree
17:22 Einja: i changed it
17:22 Einja: :v
17:22 Plaudible: 00:28:945 (1,2,3,4) - should match 00:23:459 (1,2,3) -
17:23 Einja: decreases the sr as well
17:23 Einja: sure
17:25 Plaudible: mm yeah, make the whole intro rhythm less dense
17:25 Plaudible: it'll be spicier
17:26 Plaudible: also there's not a single break between 01:07:345 (1) - and the end, even just one or two 2/1 gaps would be lovely
17:27 Einja: 01:27:917 (2,1) - how about between here
17:27 Einja: i could shorten 01:27:917 (2) -
17:27 Einja: and make it 2/1 instead
17:27 Plaudible: if anything
17:27 Plaudible: 01:27:917 (2) - should be strong
17:27 Plaudible: like
17:27 Plaudible: circles and slider stuff
17:28 Plaudible: it has all the drums kickin in and stuff
17:28 Einja: i don't think so
17:28 Plaudible: all the 1/4 drums?
17:28 Einja: it's an easy difficulty, and emphasizing all those drums with 1/1 circles and sliders would just be weird
17:28 Plaudible: not necessarily
17:28 Plaudible: conceptually
17:28 Plaudible: in relation to the song
17:28 Plaudible: those parts are the most intense
17:28 Einja: because i follow kiai with a ton of 1/1 notes
17:29 Plaudible: yeah they're 1/4 drums, so you dont need to map them as such
17:29 Einja: you're right but
17:29 Plaudible: here let me offer an alternative
17:29 Einja: i can't find another way to emphasize 1/4 drums other than long sliders
17:29 Plaudible: those two circle rhythms would be perfect here http://puu.sh/wAUG3/068d41d6f9.jpg
17:29 Plaudible: nah dude
17:29 Plaudible: think of it relatively
17:29 Plaudible: if in the intro you'd use long sliders
17:29 Plaudible: then here you would use more dense rhythms
17:29 Plaudible: as the song's more intense
17:29 Plaudible: long sliders are too easy to play for such an intense rhythm
17:30 Plaudible: even in the easy here, over simplifying it like that makes it feel weak
17:30 Plaudible: and doesn't fit the song
17:30 Einja: long sliders could be used for buildup effect as well
17:30 Einja: though
17:30 Einja: 01:29:288 (1) - so upon clicking this gives more effect
17:31 Plaudible: well transfer that logic to your extra then
17:31 Plaudible: because similar should apply
17:31 Plaudible: 01:27:917 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
17:31 Plaudible: you have jumps
17:31 Plaudible: leading into a stream
17:31 Plaudible: into the repeating chorus
17:31 Plaudible: it grows in intensity rhythmically
17:31 Plaudible: until you get to where it goes back to being simple
17:31 Plaudible: conceptually rhythm should intensify with the song as should your rhythm choice, sliders can be used for buildup yes, but arent appropriate for this context
17:32 Einja: i guess you're right at that point
17:33 Einja: rip that green "e" though
17:33 Einja: :L
17:33 Plaudible: nah
17:33 Plaudible: just dont use too many double circles
17:33 Plaudible: if you just use them at the intense part before chorus, there, and at the end
17:33 Plaudible: you should be a-ok
17:34 Einja: still rankable though :^)
17:34 Plaudible: XD
17:35 Plaudible: aa srry gotta dip out a bit early, the way you mapped it looks fine but just improve some rhythm choices and emphasis choices and make sure that the intense parts in terms of gameplay are where you want them to be
17:35 Plaudible: and then you should be good to go o7
17:35 Einja: it's okay o/
17:35 Einja: also wanna post this for kds
17:35 Plaudible: sure
17:35 Einja: ye
17:35 Einja: thanks for that quick check mod!
aigoh
Your mod had some good points and made me wonder about your maps. Some stuff to point out on your Let Me Go difficulty:

  • Rhythm:
  1. 01:13:688 (5,6) - I suggest ctrl+G the rhythm, since there is a much louder sound at 01:13:859 - . It seems like you've been starting sliders at similar parts, like in 01:21:917 (4,5) - .
  2. 01:16:088 (2,3) - and 01:38:031 (2,3) - ^, like you did in 01:35:288 (2,3) - . You want to make sure to go through and fix these rhythms! Veela starts big sounds on white ticks in this song.
  3. 01:48:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The music climaxes here, so I would just take out the sliders. And make 01:48:145 (7,8) - into a slider instead.

    Stacking:
  4. 00:24:831 (3,4) - unstack? This is a 1/1 rhythm...and you've stacked the same as 1/2 rhthms like 00:26:031 (5,1) - 00:28:259 (5,6) - . It can be confusing to players.

    Distance snapping/spacing:
  5. 00:43:688 (4,1,2) - there needs to be bigger distance snapping at 00:44:031 (1,2) - , not 00:43:345 (3,4) - . The sound there is louder.
  6. 00:45:402 (1) - here too.
  7. 00:56:374 (1) - here as well...if spacing emphasis is confusing (like I am right now lol), at least try to add jump to whenever there is a huge hitfinish sound!


Consistency is key here! You want to represent the same sound as same as possible, and maybe change things around where music is calmer/faster than before.
Epicsteve2

Bubblun wrote:

Epicsteve's Hard

00:23:459 (1,3,1) - For the same section of the song, idk why these sliders are slightly off. While using different curves is okay, these are too similar to be separate ideas, so I suggest copying 1 and rotating accordingly. I would do this, but I used the exact same slider shape for the next repeat slider to mirrored slider. I wanted to keep that consistent. Also I think it would look bad if the curve was straighter

00:26:031 (5,1) - These are grouped, so the nc should be on 5 instead of 1.

01:09:745 (4,5) - The automatic stacking nearly entirely hides 5. You'll need to custom stack it so the player can see it.

01:31:687 (4,5) - ^
Thanks for mod. Fixed everything else!
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