Hirokazu Koshio - Invader Disco · forum

Hollow Delta

Joined March 2015

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Hollow Delta 2017-11-07T01:46:44+00:00

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
Hi, m4m here

Ulltimatum:
00:04:990 (1,5) - these perfectly ovelapr each other may be confusing to player, I'd sprread them out a bit I think this overlap is readable as is because you can feel for the note as this is a comfortable position for it, as temporary muscle memory would help the player.
00:14:101 (1) - it should start on 00:13:990 - probably? There's a voice on the red and white ticks at this section. Reason I mapped this over the melody was because I felt it was more unique, so it deserved the focus.
00:20:990 (1,2) - what does this rhythm follow o.o There's a buildup on the 1/2 and white ticks, I mapped these because it complimented the feel of the song, the buildup. It makes the chorus section stand out more.
00:22:879 - there is that strong sound though
00:22:545 (1,2,3,4,1) - this thing is 270 bpm stream and I can't hear anything that sounds so intense as a 270 pbm 5 note stream Do you hear the NEEEEEEAAAOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW it sounds kinda glitchy because of it's speed, but this is on the 1/8. 270bpm general wouldn't fit in a map below 5*, but because of the OD and the use of buzz sliders, a player should be able to 'burst' these no problem.
00:27:879 (2) - i don't think there should a be a note, you seem to follow this "mortal combat main theme sound" with them, and there is no such sound (or at least it so faint that deserves only a sliderend probably) Most of your suggestions are based around me not following the main melody. For my original mapping of this, I followed the main layer like you're suggesting, but I didn't think it was as interesting as the variation the song provides me. The main layer is repetitive, so I decided to split the map into sections. so as to compliment the repetition through a consistent pattern, while mapping different interpretations of the rhythm to keep it engaging.
00:33:323 (2) - same. Just compare how obvious it would sound if there actually was that sound 00:33:657 (4) -
00:34:657 - I believe this deserves a clickable

This difficulty sure contains some good ideas, I really liked the visuals, I think they represent nature of music in a very good way. But as for playability - I didn't really get it. I'm not sure if this is just me, but I think music would be represented better and more straight forward if you sticked to "mortal combat main theme sound" melody more closely. Cause at some parts you seem to map it very well, but in the other you skip those sounds
While I didn't apply any of the suggestions, you did help with issues regarding the rhythm in other aspects. While you're not wrong that a map would be more straightforward with a more consistent rhythm, not every song has a varied main layer. The main layer of this song plays 4 times (as shown by the bookmarks) and then loops again after the bigger kiai. However, each section has it's own unique layers different from the melody, but it's not really rhythm if it has no repetition, so I tried to find a middle ground between variation and consistency. It's for the sake of making the map more worth playing, because I wouldn't want to look at the same concepts for a minute straight.

Incase you're wondering what I redid, I fixed the rhythm at 00:12:990 - as the 'unique layer' with the '1/3' sliders was still active, and switching from that wouldn't make sense.

Hope I helped. Good luck!

Thanks for the mod

Vespirit

350 posts

Joined December 2014

Vespirit 2017-11-09T01:19:21+00:00

Yusomi wrote:
HC's Insane
00:08:533 (5,6) - spacings pretty high here, looks out of place compared to other spacing choices
00:13:645 (3) - maybe move it up a little to avoid that overlap with 00:12:978 (1) -
00:35:311 (5,6) - why are these stacked? by doing this you imply that 6 is a weaker sound than the largely spaced objects, but it's not. so i dont think stacking them is the best way to represent the music here
01:00:978 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the music goes calm here so you would expect spacing to be reduced. then music gets intense immediately afterwards like here 01:02:756 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - but you reduce the spacing to stacks. I think this actually contradicts the music. maybe switch the ideas here. stack the 1/4s in that first section and spaced the 1/4s in the second one. something like this

good luck !

fixed all, thanks

timemon wrote:
mod

HC's
00:15:657 (5,6) - the gap is too big when it is 1/4, I mean comparing to 1/2 gap you did at 00:18:990 (3,4) - the 1/2 is huge not sure the problem, its smaller than the 1/2 spacing and plays fine
Yeah I'm not very good at modding gimmick
GL

SLM wrote:
Hello, returning mod

[HC's Insane]

* 00:07:212 (7,8,9,10) - maybe you could improve readability by rotating then spacing a bit more so it at least shows the numbers to click. http://puu.sh/yfYXm/695c3155fe.jpg didnt rotate, but i did increase the spacing

* 00:21:434 (5,6,7) - I assume most players will be alternating this rather than singletapping this (considering the bpm 135x2) therefore being a huge difficulty spike. so I suggest you to use a circular flow like you did at 00:14:323 (5,6,7) - . should be alright now

Quite impressed how you guys mapped this song not boring. GJ
Good luck!

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:
Hi, m4m here

HC's Insane:
00:32:990 (3) - 01:01:434 (3) - i don't really think that this thing worth putting it and breaking consistency of following the melody i think it is, its much more prominent than the melody at that time since it kinda takes it over
00:34:990 - 00:35:101 - maybe map drum on these ticks? yeah good idea
00:42:768 (5) - 00:48:101 (6) - these should be 2 circles, considering such consistency was used in previous sections (but I personally would change these slider to circles also in every 2nd measure each 4 measures to make more "consistent variety") actually just changed them all to 2 sliders lel
Hope I helped. Good luck!

im sorry, ill try to respond earlier now on

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Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2017-11-09T20:13:28+00:00

updated

Nevo

Global Moderator

1,176 posts

Joined November 2015

Nevo 2017-11-10T08:57:06+00:00

Map seem like really good imo the gimmicks are cool and the map just seems well made lo
ahhhhhhh I hate when I don't find a bunch of stuff sorry :c

HC's Insane
00:50:101 (6) - blanket is off

Ultimatum
Seriously tho these are the most nit picky things lmfao
00:10:101 (4) - i think a 1/4 sldier would be easier to understand for a player since at full speed it to me sounds like two beats idk i may be crazy lol
00:10:434 (6) - this slider isn't parallel to 00:09:768 (3) - small things amirite?
00:14:027 - it sounds like there should be a circle here to reflect the song just a tad bit better
00:38:212 (3,6) - same thing
00:48:879 (2) - this overlap seems kinda small compared to the other ones around it like 00:45:323 (3,4) - and 00:45:879 (5,6) - which have different overlaps

so yeah useless suggestions but I do personally love the ideas expressed from the map and how you made a repetitive song fun to play.
(´・◡・｀)

Aistre

Beatmap Nominator

614 posts

Joined September 2014

Aistre 2017-11-10T20:15:42+00:00

@SLM Fixed everything, thanks

updatu

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Invader Disco
Artist:Hirokazu Koshio
ArtistUnicode:小塩広和
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Version:Alphabet's Hard
Source:Space Invaders Extreme 2
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Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2017-11-11T00:23:13+00:00

Nevo wrote:
Map seem like really good imo the gimmicks are cool and the map just seems well made lo
ahhhhhhh I hate when I don't find a bunch of stuff sorry :c It's not your fault really. You're only required to point out so much by the criteria,
and a lot of mods are just fluff of suggestions mappers may or may-not care about, so you're not doing anything wrong.

Ultimatum
Seriously tho these are the most nit picky things lmfao I still appreciate it, as I like my maps to look nice.
00:10:101 (4) - i think a 1/4 sldier would be easier to understand for a player since at full speed it to me sounds like two beats idk i may be crazy lol I know the rhythm isn't entirely consistent, but I explained why in a response to my last mod.
While there was a 1/4 slider at 00:08:323 (5) - I created variations through my rhythm instead of patterns.
The fact that this section is isolated to 1/4 sliders compared to 00:09:434 - which uses longer sliders I think creates an interesting contrast.
00:10:434 (6) - this slider isn't parallel to 00:09:768 (3) - small things amirite? They look parallel to me xp At least the bodies are. If you're talking about that the bump on 6 at 00:10:490 - that's just to create a 'cup' pattern along with 3 so the focus is brough to 00:10:768 (1,2) - aesthetic stuff lol
00:14:027 - it sounds like there should be a circle here to reflect the song just a tad bit better I've thought about it, but chose not to map that circle because then the player would be anticipating a rhythm similar to 00:10:768 (1,2) - but I want to let the player know the focus is changing by throwing them off subtly in a way that doesn't damage their score.
00:38:212 (3,6) - same thing
00:48:879 (2) - this overlap seems kinda small compared to the other ones around it like 00:45:323 (3,4) - and 00:45:879 (5,6) - which have different overlaps I auto-stacked it because I couldn't think of a pattern that looked good, so I went with the go-to solution to stacking lol. As complicated as I try to be, I didn't apply any concepts to my stacking, so I don't think this smaller stack would through the player off.

so yeah useless suggestions but I do personally love the ideas expressed from the map and how you made a repetitive song fun to play. I didn't apply anything here, but I still think you were on the right track. I appreciate small mods such as this because it not only provides me proof of it's value,
but also polishes my map even further. Thanks. Don't be afraid to point out minor details if you can't find anything, because it's good for mappers who try to be as good as they can.
(´・◡・｀)

Vespirit

350 posts

Joined December 2014

Vespirit 2017-11-15T01:09:12+00:00

Nevo wrote:
Map seem like really good imo the gimmicks are cool and the map just seems well made lo
ahhhhhhh I hate when I don't find a bunch of stuff sorry :c

HC's Insane
00:50:101 (6) - blanket is off no change, i think its the best i can do without having the slider overlap (3), and its not that far off anyways

so yeah useless suggestions but I do personally love the ideas expressed from the map and how you made a repetitive song fun to play.
(´・◡・｀)

Thanks anyways! c:

audinor

audinor 2018-01-18T21:19:44+00:00

top a diff
00:08:990 (1,2) - wjhy is this 1/8? doesnt really clear anything up or add readability and there isnt any sound on end (it also makes it harder)
00:10:768 (1,2) - ^
00:12:545 (1,2) - ^ ^ (last time ill link)
00:14:101 (1,2,3) - silence ends?
00:26:768 (1,2,1) - the sliders being 1/16 and the jump being 1/8 doesnt give much room to aind the next. the last pattern was close together and easy to flow to but this spacing is a wild increase
00:30:101 (2,1) - ^ same prettymuch
00:32:545 (1,2) - snapped wrong
00:34:768 (2,3,4) - its extremely hard to figure out that this is 1/8th. at least nerf distance a bit
since the rest is just copy flipped apply

hcs insane
00:35:657 (8) - ctrl + g for easier aim? idk thats it so sorry

chalwa's light insane
00:36:101 (1,2) - really really REAlly hard to read,you could use a 1/4th in replace the 1st note
yeah im well out for this one too

alphabet's hard
00:05:434 (4,1) - woah big jump youvve got there friend
01:01:990 (2,3) - maybe change to triple, its kinda hard to read as it is
thats it

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2018-01-20T18:44:40+00:00

squishi wrote:
top a diff
00:08:990 (1,2) - wjhy is this 1/8? doesnt really clear anything up or add readability and there isnt any sound on end (it also makes it harder) It contrasts the higher pitches notes from the regular 1/4.
00:10:768 (1,2) - ^
00:12:545 (1,2) - ^ ^ (last time ill link)
00:14:101 (1,2,3) - silence ends? Done
00:26:768 (1,2,1) - the sliders being 1/16 and the jump being 1/8 doesnt give much room to aind the next. the last pattern was close together and easy to flow to but this spacing is a wild increase You need slight variations in spacing to keep the map engaging to play. If the this whole section was simple 1/2 holds with consistent distance you could lock onto, there wouldn't be any challenge.
00:30:101 (2,1) - ^ same prettymuch
00:32:545 (1,2) - snapped wrong Good Catch.
00:34:768 (2,3,4) - its extremely hard to figure out that this is 1/8th. at least nerf distance a bit I think the spacing is okay, as the distance from 1-2 is 1/4 and is larger than 2-3 so the spacing is intuitive.
since the rest is just copy flipped apply

Thanks for the mod

Aistre

Beatmap Nominator

614 posts

Joined September 2014

Aistre 2018-01-20T18:52:13+00:00

@squishi changed everytihng

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Vespirit

350 posts

Joined December 2014

Vespirit 2018-01-20T20:21:46+00:00

squishi wrote:
hcs insane
00:35:657 (8) - ctrl + g for easier aim? idk thats it so sorry didnt take the suggestion exactly, but changed some stuff around it to help with it
thats it

also cleaned up a couple other things

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Hollow Delta

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Hollow Delta 2018-01-20T22:12:45+00:00

updated both diffs

_Meep_

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Mentai

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Mentai 2018-01-22T22:49:17+00:00

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Hollow Delta

793 posts

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Hollow Delta 2018-01-22T23:20:04+00:00

@Mentai do you want me to apply the kiai lines?

Mentai

472 posts

Joined June 2016

Mentai 2018-01-22T23:26:32+00:00

i don't think i want kiai in my diff, but if there is any unsnapped lines or anything i missed i'd appreciate any fixes for those

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

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Hollow Delta 2018-01-22T23:30:32+00:00

understood

updated

_Meep_

1,707 posts

Joined April 2014

_Meep_ 2018-01-23T07:12:20+00:00

jokes on you i made a new post

topdiff

00:35:657 (1,2) - the fact that 1 goes back and forth fast as fk and it goes the opposite way makes it all the more harder to play, i rather you ctrl+G 2
same with 01:04:101 (1,2) -

fuckign hell this diff is rainbows as always
well your ncing has improved so i got nothin much to say

HC

00:07:212 (7,8,9,10) - is it me or is this slightly rotated for no reason? i rather u just keep it the same slider since the sounds are similar, and that the change in angle isnt enough to bring an impact to the visuals
00:08:990 (7,8) - visual spacing reEEEE
00:12:212 (5,1) - fix dat overlap

its ok

chalwa

fix all dem useless lines, its cuz of these that notes like 00:19:101 (2) - become unheard for no reason
seems ok, a lot of copypaste ;v

alphabet

get trolled theres nothing here
means good job owo)b

cant find much since u people r gud mappers
reEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Hollow Delta

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Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2018-01-24T00:13:11+00:00

I would respond rn if a cat didn't break my headset.

When I borrow speakers I'll get back to this.

Chalwa

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Chalwa 2018-01-24T08:46:03+00:00

fixed all in both mods, ty
https://chalwa.s-ul.eu/NYxEnkyP

zev

462 posts

Joined September 2015

zev 2018-01-24T19:40:11+00:00

Ultimatum

00:06:545 (4) - make this double like 00:06:212 (2,3) - the snare doesn't change, so why would that be halved in emphasize rhythm-wise? I Can't Believe This.
i suggest stacking 00:07:879 (2) - on the sliderhead of 00:07:990 (3) - and also same thing with 00:08:212 (4,5) - it would make the punch sound more emphasized and be more easy to read especially when introducing a new phase of the song
i liked the snappy 1/4 rhythms then this felt a little 00:08:990 (1) - underwhelming, i'd say buff spacing or perhaps making this 3/4 slider 00:08:657 (7) -
i'm sure it will play.
00:11:879 (4) - there is no sound on the blue tick here and isn't in any way smiliar to this 00:11:657 (3) - i would say just make this a slider so it feels mapped to the punch. reverse sliders are suggestive that something is happening on blue ticks so as a player that's weird for me.
00:12:768 (2) - pitch increases so maybe you could make this an 1/4 slider instead of 1/8, it's just one of those niche things you might want to try out sometime.
00:13:990 (5) - can't you like move this on the blue tick punch and just space it more
00:20:990 (1,2,3,4) - i don't like how these are all straight sliders pointing down, while those follow different things 00:21:434 (3,4) - a different sliderdesign/direction would raise song expression,
00:22:323 (2) - I would do something different here, https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/1HgbZkt.png the 1/16 noise sound spawns on the blue tick and
it feels better imo because you have two birds in one stone
00:23:212 (1,2) - these could easily be spaced a bit more with the 1/16 gap you made and the relatively low bpm
00:27:879 (2) - this is just a punch with more reverb(echoey sound) i suggest making it land on a sliderend since there is technically no beat/punch there
or nerfing the spacing because noway that impact is stronger then that impact 00:28:323 (2) -
00:28:545 (1) - 00:33:879 - soft-hitfinish?
song sections repeat themself so needless to say rather a general mod

HC insane
00:05:434 (7) - this reverse slider would feel better on the blue tick because the stream melody is emphasizing the blue tick.
00:07:212 (1) - maybe nc to indicate this unique row of streams
01:01:434 (3) - yoo. this looks like nonsense tohugh
00:28:545 (3) - what are those finishes based on, can't tell. finish.
00:56:990 (3) - finish
01:00:545 (6) - finish
seems you sometimes preserve the soft-hitfinish for intense sections but also want to hitsound the clap which kind of clashes i guess? try figuring out something?

chalwa light insan
00:00:546 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ooww this intro kinds of maps everything in a way i can't tell why you would want to do that ;w;
i think you mapped the synth which is an interesting choice
you could make the synth stand out more by making these 00:00:990 (2) - 00:02:768 (2) - an 1/2 slider instead of 1/1
players can keep track better what is happening if you don't map everything(melody on sliderend)

mentai's normal

01:04:101 (2,1) - to me this seems like it sort off ignores the song, because the song the quadruples in beats, i'd say just go full on 1/2 it's fine, right now this is really Easy like rhythm.
00:35:657 (2) - ^

alphabet hard
00:25:434 (1) - i'd make this a reverse slider for these so when you start clicking objects again it happends when the melody is standing out in it's phrase 00:26:323 -

yehaj

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2018-01-24T21:47:58+00:00

@_Meep_
I didn't apply that because having the heads overlap like that turns it into a static pattern, which wouldn't play right relative the the kiai. I feel it fits better with the extra motion.

zev wrote:

Ultimatum
00:06:545 (4) - make this double like 00:06:212 (2,3) - the snare doesn't change, so why would that be halved in emphasize rhythm-wise? I Can't Believe This. Because it doesn't sound the same to me. 00:06:212 (2,3) - Here it sounds like 2 distinct beats while in the second point it sounds like the first beat has more strength over the 2nd, which is why I didn't map them the same way.
i suggest stacking 00:07:879 (2) - on the sliderhead of 00:07:990 (3) - and also same thing with 00:08:212 (4,5) - it would make the punch sound more emphasized and be more easy to read especially when introducing a new phase of the song I feel like the muscle memory created by the stack still creates the same punchy effect, but I'll keep note of this as I feel it's good.
i liked the snappy 1/4 rhythms then this felt a little 00:08:990 (1) - underwhelming, i'd say buff spacing or perhaps making this 3/4 slider 00:08:657 (7) -
i'm sure it will play. I'm not sure what's different about it, it still has the snappy 1/4 motion along with 1-6. Increasing the spacing would make the whole pattern off because the idea is it's fixed into place.
00:11:879 (4) - there is no sound on the blue tick here and isn't in any way smiliar to this 00:11:657 (3) - i would say just make this a slider so it feels mapped to the punch. reverse sliders are suggestive that something is happening on blue ticks so as a player that's weird for me. The reverse is actually 1/6, but while there is no sound there, that doesn't mean it's wrong. Because of leniency it still plays as 1/2, so it's not that weird to play. The reverse is there because it contrasts this part from the 1/2, which I feel is more engaging to play.
00:12:768 (2) - pitch increases so maybe you could make this an 1/4 slider instead of 1/8, it's just one of those niche things you might want to try out sometime. I feel that would make this part confusing to play, because while I am creating variation, I have separate concepts for the 1/4 and 1/8 patterns, so placing 1/4 here might misdirect the player. The 1/8 plays more consistently.
00:13:990 (5) - can't you like move this on the blue tick punch and just space it more
I'm not sure why I would. It's a long and emphasized sound, so I feel the length fits.
00:20:990 (1,2,3,4) - i don't like how these are all straight sliders pointing down, while those follow different things 00:21:434 (3,4) - a different sliderdesign/direction would raise song expression,
I changed the pattern slightly to compliment those subtler parts.
00:22:323 (2) - I would do something different here, https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/1HgbZkt.png the 1/16 noise sound spawns on the blue tick and
it feels better imo because you have two birds in one stone That would lower the density heavily because the song is more intense here, so I feel it'd be underwhelming to simplify it to that extent. I broke the pattern down into 1/2 jumps because you can't just throw in 270bpm streams suddenly, yet you want it dense enough to fit the kiai.
00:23:212 (1,2) - these could easily be spaced a bit more with the 1/16 gap you made and the relatively low bpm
I tried to consider how 1/8 distance along with slider leniency would work out. I felt this distance for a start was okay.
00:27:879 (2) - this is just a punch with more reverb(echoey sound) i suggest making it land on a sliderend since there is technically no beat/punch there
or nerfing the spacing because noway that impact is stronger then that impact 00:28:323 (2) -
I think this rhythm still fits because the quick motions fit the snappy feel.
00:28:545 (1) - 00:33:879 - soft-hitfinish?
I'm not entirely mapping the beat, so placing the soft-finish would feel out of place because that's not what the focus is.
song sections repeat themself so needless to say rather a general mod
yehaj

Thanks for the mod
Also updated diff @Chalwa

Vespirit

350 posts

Joined December 2014

Vespirit 2018-01-24T22:04:10+00:00

_Meep_ wrote:
jokes on you i made a new post
HC
00:07:212 (7,8,9,10) - is it me or is this slightly rotated for no reason? i rather u just keep it the same slider since the sounds are similar, and that the change in angle isnt enough to bring an impact to the visuals ok fixed it
00:08:990 (7,8) - visual spacing reEEEE rreeeeeeeeee
00:12:212 (5,1) - fix dat overlap ok best i could do

its ok
cant find much since u people r gud mappers
reEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

zev wrote:

HC insane
00:05:434 (7) - this reverse slider would feel better on the blue tick because the stream melody is emphasizing the blue tick. disagree,
would make more sense imo to split up the stream at the white tick since each white tick the increase in pitch resets
00:07:212 (1) - maybe nc to indicate this unique row of streams ok
01:01:434 (3) - yoo. this looks like nonsense tohugh i cant find anything really wrong with it personally
00:28:545 (3) - what are those finishes based on, can't tell. finish. hs copied from other diff, gonna keep consistency for these
00:56:990 (3) - finish
01:00:545 (6) - finish
seems you sometimes preserve the soft-hitfinish for intense sections but also want to hitsound the clap which kind of clashes i guess? try figuring out something?
yehaj

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Lafayla

Beatmap Nominator

348 posts

Joined December 2014

Lafayla 2018-01-25T20:12:49+00:00

Not placeholder anymore

[Mentai's Normal]

right off the bat, why such contrast in slider shapes 00:00:546 (1,2) - if for aesthetics please change because subjective but vertical wave sliders are meh
00:12:990 (1) - moving it up a bit while keeping same ds would make visual spacing cuter, however; i disagree that visually you should have objects in different parts of the timeline so close to eachother since most players at this level suck at reading and instead will reccomend something like [url=https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10106905]this] but this occurs many times throughout this difficulty so I won't say anything else about it
00:56:768 (2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - this chain is very long, i would suggest leaving some breathing room around 00:59:879 (2) -
00:28:323 (2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - similar to what i mentioned above, i know 135 bpm isn't alot but considering its the lowest difficulty in the set I don't really agree that players should have to chain this long considering most other rhythms are 3 objects maximum
00:33:657 (2) - did you get trapped here? this overlap is pretty messy considering everything else in this difficulty is pretty clean, i think 00:30:768 (1,2) - are the objects mainly trapping you here, adjusting their placements will help you clean this up

[abc]

00:27:657 (2) - what happened here lol, im sure theres something fancier you can do here
00:50:323 (1,2) - visual spacing is really tight here which makes this appear as 1/2 spacing instead, adjust it would be a good idea
01:02:768 (1) - might want to flip this so 01:02:545 (6,1) - is a smoother transition, it feels pretty rough currently even if done intentionally for emphasis

[chalwa's light insane]

00:00:546 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm is a bit awkward, im not sure what you are following, it seems like melody but why did you leave 00:01:434 - for a slider end
00:02:323 (1,2,3,4) - ^
00:03:434 (3,4) - is 1/2 spacing from 00:02:768 (2) - yet 00:03:434 (3,4,1) - is also 1/2 spacing but its 1/1 gap, making spacing more distinguishable would be a good idea.
00:18:990 (1,2) - too close, appears as 1/4 when actually 1/2
00:32:545 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - why didn't you apply the concept here? it doesn't look like you dodge the concept anywhere else in the map
I see the concept being applied throughout this diff with the 180 degree rotates but it seems like a tough reading challenge, nonetheless consistently done so it should be fine

[HC's Insane]

00:09:212 (8,4) - noticable overlap in gameplay which doesn't look too pretty
up until here > 00:21:879 - and later on in the diff , aside from a couple of placements, almost all objects are in the bottom right margin D: its not really a "problem" just feels a bit constricted meanwhile left playfield recieves close to no attention
00:19:657 (6,7) - adjusting these so that 00:20:768 (3) - can overlap 00:19:879 (7) - would fix this minor overlap
personal opinion> 00:57:323 (5) - stacking this on the head in this case makes it quite a reading challenge, making this clean by placing anywhere around 331,351 or something would make this more readable, also gives better emphasis for 00:57:434 (1) -

[Ultimatum]

00:12:768 (2) - doing a ctrl g on this would be nice, it wouldn't break the concept either because you do something similar with 00:17:879 (1,2) - and 00:19:657 (1,2) -
will players be okay with accurately hitting 00:26:323 (1,2,1,2) - ? i got alpha to testplay it a few times and he couldn't get a combo while trying to hit them at all because of the tiny hit window (he could just be bad xd) but i also couldn't combo them, to top it off hitting 00:27:212 (1) - is even greater of a struggle. just seems like playability is very harsh
00:27:545 (2,1,2) - i find this extremely difficult to read, this is pretty subjective though tbh
kiai volumes to be pretty loud, a bit painful
double check your inherited timing points, 2 of them are on 00:32:545 -

GoodLuck

Last edited by Lafayla 2018-01-26T22:39:17+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Mentai

472 posts

Joined June 2016

Mentai 2018-01-25T20:55:22+00:00

@zev although you are right, i have to maintain that i am currently anchoring the set in difficulty, so my 1/2 spam up to this point needs relief. i think the 1/1 actually represents the unique moving line the best because of that

no change then

i'll try and keep up with this thread on my own, since i don't get email notifications for osu

Aistre

Beatmap Nominator

614 posts

Joined September 2014

Aistre 2018-01-25T23:33:37+00:00

@zev I won't change since i wasn't really focusing on emphasizing the pitch, but rather representing each section of the song consistently with slidershapes

blobdash

912 posts

Joined April 2016

blobdash 2018-01-26T22:04:01+00:00

M4M return
General
Difficulties end time is not consistent:
01:04:545 - Mentai's Normal
01:08:101 - Other diffs
Double green lines on Ultimatum diff (check AIMod)
AIBat also reports a lot of unsnapped sliders.

AIBat Report

Snapping
00:11:657 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:11:657 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:11:879 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:11:879 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:18:768 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:18:768 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:18:990 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:18:990 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:20:545 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:20:545 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:20:768 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:20:768 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:22:268 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:268 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:268 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:379 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:379 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:379 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:879 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:879 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:879 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:101 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:101 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:101 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:32:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:40:101 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:40:101 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:40:323 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:40:323 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:47:212 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:47:212 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:47:434 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:47:434 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:48:990 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:48:990 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:49:212 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:49:212 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:50:712 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:50:712 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:50:712 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:657 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:657 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:657 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:57:823 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:57:823 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:57:823 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).

These may be wrong as you use 1/8, but eh idk, just pasting it here.

Applies to all diffs

00:00:546 - Maybe you could add some impact to this. Maybe hitsound volume change?

Ultimatum

00:22:545 (1,2,3,4,1) - This goes for every pattern ; They flow good but they look misaligned. 1/8 also feels uh, overmapped? I don't know, adding 270bpm streams while the diff is 4.7* is weird.
00:09:768 (3,6) - Not properly parallel
00:17:545 (6,1,2) - ^
00:23:212 (1,2) - Overlap? Why?

HC's Insane

00:12:212 (5,1) - Non proper stack (don't forget to restack 00:13:990 (4,6) - and everything else)
00:19:879 (7) - Maybe stack 7 with 00:18:657 (2) - and it'd give something like this (move 6 too) https://i.imgur.com/zwybaTH.jpg
00:39:657 (1,2) - Blanket seems off.
00:49:545 (4,5,6) - Not the same blanket spacing, feels weird visually

Alphabet's Hard

00:00:546 (1,2,3,4) - Here Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V but 00:02:323 (1,2,3,4) - here Ctrl+J on the 2nd circle+slider. Feels inconsistent visually so maybe 00:00:546 (1,2) - Ctrl+J this one?

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2018-01-28T00:48:21+00:00

FruityEnLoops wrote:
M4M return
General
Difficulties end time is not consistent: The difference between other diffs and mentai's diff is the spinner, but besides that everything ends at 01:04:545 (1) - there aren't any other strong notes worth mapping after this due to the fade-out, which is why I feel this ending isn't inconsistent/
01:04:545 - Mentai's Normal
01:08:101 - Other diffs
Double green lines on Ultimatum diff (check AIMod) Fixed
AIBat also reports a lot of unsnapped sliders. I saw those when I checked it myself a while back b4 I made the 2 green lines. Everything looks fine, but to be safe I re-snapped all the notes.
AIBat Report
Snapping
00:11:657 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:11:657 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:11:879 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:11:879 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:18:768 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:18:768 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:18:990 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:18:990 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:20:545 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:20:545 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:20:768 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:20:768 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:22:268 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:268 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:268 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:22:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:23:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:25:768 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:26:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:379 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:379 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:379 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:879 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:879 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:29:879 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:101 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:101 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:101 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:30:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:32:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:40:101 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:40:101 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:40:323 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:40:323 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:47:212 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:47:212 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:47:434 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:47:434 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:48:990 (3) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:48:990 (3) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:49:212 (4) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:49:212 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end).
00:50:712 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:50:712 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:50:712 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:657 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:657 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:657 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:51:879 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:212 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:54:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:212 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:55:434 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:57:823 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:57:823 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:57:823 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:323 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:545 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:768 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
00:58:990 (2) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
These may be wrong as you use 1/8, but eh idk, just pasting it here.

Applies to all diffs

00:00:546 - Maybe you could add some impact to this. Maybe hitsound volume change? I think it's okay, as there is no other sampleset hitsound applied to the other three sliders, so the finish by itself already provides the impact.

Ultimatum

00:22:545 (1,2,3,4,1) - This goes for every pattern ; They flow good but they look misaligned. 1/8 also feels uh, overmapped? I don't know, adding 270bpm streams while the diff is 4.7* is weird. Im not sure what about the stream looks misaligned. Relative to what note / angle does this note look misaligned? While generally it's not convenient to map 270bpm streams in a map under 5* combined with the low OD it should be playable for the short amount of time it lasts.
00:09:768 (3,6) - Not properly parallel It looks okay to me, but maybe I'm missing something. Could you explain how to fix it?
00:17:545 (6,1,2) - ^
00:23:212 (1,2) - Overlap? Why? The first pair of 1/16 reverse sliders were overlapped because I didn't want to throw 1/8 spacing out of no where at the player, but at the same time I wanted to gradually amp the difficulty along with the kiai to keep this part engaging to play. I thought the overlap fit here because of that concept.

Aistre

Beatmap Nominator

614 posts

Joined September 2014

Aistre 2018-01-28T11:06:40+00:00

@FruityEnLoops sure why not

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 21867
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.5
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 4089,21867,36089,59200
DistanceSpacing: 1.3
BeatDivisor: 2
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 1.799999

[Metadata]
Title:Invader Disco
TitleUnicode:Invader Disco
Artist:Hirokazu Koshio
ArtistUnicode:小塩広和
Creator:Bubblun
Version:Alphabet's Hard
Source:Space Invaders Extreme 2
Tags:mentai hydrocannon13 chalwa alphabet ds arcade nintendo stage background zuntata taito sound team boss stage one 1
BeatmapID:1389564
BeatmapSetID:628857

[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:3.9
OverallDifficulty:6
ApproachRate:7
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SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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blobdash

912 posts

Joined April 2016

blobdash 2018-01-28T18:07:21+00:00

@Bubblun :
https://i.imgur.com/e5RrFsE.png this is what I was talking about. it's minor tho

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2018-01-29T01:18:07+00:00

Lafayla wrote:
[Ultimatum]

00:12:768 (2) - doing a ctrl g on this would be nice, it wouldn't break the concept either because you do something similar with 00:17:879 (1,2) - and 00:19:657 (1,2) - I feel the patterns are okay as is because the directions are for more of an aesthetic. The actual part you click is still similar, so it's not inconsistent.
will players be okay with accurately hitting 00:26:323 (1,2,1,2) - ? i got alpha to testplay it a few times and he couldn't get a combo while trying to hit them at all because of the tiny hit window (he could just be bad xd) but i also couldn't combo them, to top it off hitting 00:27:212 (1) - is even greater of a struggle. just seems like playability is very harsh I think it's okay as the hitwindow is meant to be tight since there really wouldn't be much of a challenge of it was all consistent density and snappings.
00:27:545 (2,1,2) - i find this extremely difficult to read, this is pretty subjective though tbh I feel the reading gimmick makes this pattern even more snappy to play, which fits because of the emphasized clicks where you highlighted.
kiai volumes to be pretty loud, a bit painful I think it's okay. I keep everything at 100% to make sure the volume is balanced.
double check your inherited timing points, 2 of them are on 00:32:545 - fixed

GoodLuck

Thanks for the mod

Mentai

472 posts

Joined June 2016

Mentai 2018-01-29T01:28:56+00:00

Lafayla wrote:
[notice]Not placeholder anymore

[Mentai's Normal]

right off the bat, why such contrast in slider shapes 00:00:546 (1,2) - if for aesthetics please change because subjective but vertical wave sliders are meh two interesting sounds get two interesting sliders
00:12:990 (1) - moving it up a bit while keeping same ds would make visual spacing cuter, however; i disagree that visually you should have objects in different parts of the timeline so close to eachother since most players at this level suck at reading and instead will reccomend something like [url=https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10106905]this] but this occurs many times throughout this difficulty so I won't say anything else about it i'm pretty confident simple geometry won't kill the player, it's a triangle that i've done in similar ranked normals of mine
00:56:768 (2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - this chain is very long, i would suggest leaving some breathing room around 00:59:879 (2) - you're right, although i made the break earlier
00:28:323 (2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - similar to what i mentioned above, i know 135 bpm isn't alot but considering its the lowest difficulty in the set I don't really agree that players should have to chain this long considering most other rhythms are 3 objects maximum done as above
00:33:657 (2) - did you get trapped here? this overlap is pretty messy considering everything else in this difficulty is pretty clean, i think 00:30:768 (1,2) - are the objects mainly trapping you here, adjusting their placements will help you clean this up snaking sliders + AR make it fine, i did testing on the map to make sure any of the placement overlaps i did were fine, and this one is pretty inconsequential

thank you!

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Vespirit

350 posts

Joined December 2014

Vespirit 2018-01-29T01:42:14+00:00

Lafayla wrote:
Not placeholder anymore

[HC's Insane]

00:09:212 (8,4) - noticable overlap in gameplay which doesn't look too pretty idk looks alright to me
up until here > 00:21:879 - and later on in the diff , aside from a couple of placements, almost all objects are in the bottom right margin D: its not really a "problem" just feels a bit constricted meanwhile left playfield recieves close to no attention i see what u mean, but it isnt a huge deal
00:19:657 (6,7) - adjusting these so that 00:20:768 (3) - can overlap 00:19:879 (7) - would fix this minor overlap would break visual spacing between (1), (2) and (3), the overlap is not that noticeable either
personal opinion> 00:57:323 (5) - stacking this on the head in this case makes it quite a reading challenge, making this clean by placing anywhere around 331,351 or something would make this more readable, also gives better emphasis for 00:57:434 (1) - ok, fixed the other one too

GoodLuck

FruityEnLoops wrote:
M4M return
HC's Insane

00:12:212 (5,1) - Non proper stack (don't forget to restack 00:13:990 (4,6) - and everything else) fixed
00:19:879 (7) - Maybe stack 7 with 00:18:657 (2) - and it'd give something like this (move 6 too) https://i.imgur.com/zwybaTH.jpg ok,
but made it a slightly improper stack to account for visual spacing (pretty much unnoticeable in gameplay)
00:39:657 (1,2) - Blanket seems off. made it nicer
00:49:545 (4,5,6) - Not the same blanket spacing, feels weird visually k should be better now

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Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Hollow Delta 2018-01-29T11:26:02+00:00

updated both

Chalwa

1,105 posts

Joined August 2014

Chalwa 2018-01-29T17:25:23+00:00

fixed everything except this one point in Lafayla's mod:
00:18:990 (1,2) - too close, appears as 1/4 when actually 1/2
That's true, but there's a quiet sound in the backgroung of song, so it['s not overmaped. I've mad ethat, cause for rhythm it's much greater than when yu'll put just 1/2

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tyty

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Hollow Delta

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Hello Bubblun !

[General]

Background are ok, the only thing thats hurt me is the fact the BG is 1.1mb, this is a lot even for a jpg imagem. here the bg with the same quality and with 280kbps now
MP3 ok
I think the gap of the normal to hard its GREAT, u should see the possibility of a advanced in the set, even that , there 2 hard, and the gap each others its 0.50..., its strange the spread. My recommend: Buff normal or add a advanced diff in something like 2.35~2.55

[Mentai's Normal]

00:24:323 - i don't like how u ignore that beat , he is so evident that the fact of being ignored makes the patten 00:24:545 (2,3) - weird. Since its a normal, u can just put a single circle 00:24:323 - in the way that not need a hotfix or anything, just a click xD. And also, don't have problem because u prepared the player with 00:16:323 (3,1) - and even 00:21:879 (1,2) - prepare to. This happen here to 00:52:768 - .

This happen similar in 00:26:101 - to, but here its not soo evident the song so i belive u can let then like u made.
00:27:212 (1,2) - [color=#0000FF] Here you follow good, i like xD/color]
00:28:990 (1,2,3) - i don't feel if is good to do a differentiation here, for me, seems like u want to do different from 00:21:879 (1,2,3) - , u can do a slider but with a different shape, that serves as differentiation to(if you agree with that, i will let to you with the shapes xD) . The same point here 00:57:434 (1,2,3) - .

Good easy, safe , my points are more aesthetic to, the rhythm its good xD/i]

[Alphabet's Hard]

00:08:545 (3) - i don't know the purpose of that slider, okay, follow the drum in the music, but this 00:07:657 (1,2) - follow the [i]'laser' sounds, this seems like u decide to ignore just to follow a drum thats don't ever evident in the music.

If me, i would move one tick the 00:08:657 (3) - (to follow the 'laser' sounds) and let the 00:08:990 (4) - close to the 00:08:657 (3) - (example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10146999)

Or if you want to preserve that drum, i can do the same ^ but will add a note here 00:08:545 (3) - in the white tick(the drum tick xD) , theres no problem for a double to cuz i have made a lot before xD

This happen in the rest of the map, so i don't want to timestamp all, so i will stop here, if you explain here all the purpose of these 'now i follow laser, now i follow drum' i will do a recheck for u diff.

[Chalwa's Light Insane]

Wow nice diff, to be since i don't found nothing to say, the all diff its in the mapper's purpose and no one wrong ideias in my see... good job xD

[HC's Insane]

00:32:990 (3) - these kinda of slider its so sudden, yeah, u follow the song correctly, but more than that, u do 2 of the same type in 00:34:768 (3,4) - , this kinda of sliders its hard to play and easy to miss, even the diff is 4.6... i recommend to do one long slider like u made here 00:32:990 (3) to all moments like 00:34:768 (3,4) - and 00:35:657 (8,9) - or do a stream like 00:07:212 (1,2,3,4) - . The same points here 01:03:212 (3,4) - 01:04:101 (8,9) -

[Ultimatum]

00:32:545 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - its like the one moment of your map that i dislike, u follow all '00:29:379 (2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - ' sound making the most different map of the set, and the best moment of this part (00:32:101 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - ) u decide to follow the 'laser' sounds ? there's a purpose greater than the '00:29:379 (2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2) - ' sound to follow the lasers back ? The same point here 01:00:545 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) -

Rest is good

Good map, i like to much the ideia of follow the '00:25:768 (2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1) - ' sound. If you want , i can do a recheck before mod application.

Sorry if appears rude my mod, thats not my intention

Last edited by Ataraxia 2018-01-31T22:03:50+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Vespirit

350 posts

Joined December 2014

Vespirit 2018-01-31T21:24:08+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
Hello Bubblun !

[HC's Insane]

00:32:990 (3) - these kinda of slider its so sudden, yeah, u follow the song correctly, but more than that, u do 2 of the same type in 00:34:768 (3,4) - , this kinda of sliders its hard to play and easy to miss, even the diff is 4.6... i recommend to do one long slider like u made here 00:32:990 (3) to all moments like 00:34:768 (3,4) - and 00:35:657 (8,9) - or do a stream like 00:07:212 (1,2,3,4) - . The same points here 01:03:212 (3,4) - 01:04:101 (8,9) - this should be fine, it flows well and to me, it is not very hard to play
Sorry if appears rude my mod, thats not my intention don't worry, it did not appear rude

Aistre

Beatmap Nominator

614 posts

Joined September 2014

Aistre 2018-01-31T21:29:59+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Alphabet's Hard]

00:08:545 (3) - i don't know the purpose of that slider, okay, follow the drum in the music, but this 00:07:657 (1,2) - follow the 'laser' sounds, this seems like u decide to ignore just to follow a drum thats don't ever evident in the music.

If me, i would move one tick the 00:08:657 (3) - (to follow the 'laser' sounds) and let the 00:08:990 (4) - close to the 00:08:657 (3) - (example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10146999)

Or if you want to preserve that drum, i can do the same ^ but will add a note here 00:08:545 (3) - in the white tick(the drum tick xD) , theres no problem for a double to cuz i have made a lot before xD

This happen in the rest of the map, so i don't want to timestamp all, so i will stop here, if you explain here all the purpose of these 'now i follow laser, now i follow drum' i will do a recheck for u diff. I get where you're coming at but for a hard, I think it's a little too complex. Constantly using off-beat rhythms to suit the synth also kinda ruins the spread between the normal since it's supposed to introduce 1/4 and other snapping when also using 1/2 to a more extent, also making it become too much like Chalwa's Light Insane. It can essentially be considered filler rhythm due to the snapping coming to a compromise between the drums and the synth, so it still makes sense whilst being more friendly towards newer players.

Mentai

472 posts

Joined June 2016

Mentai 2018-01-31T22:27:17+00:00

Ataraxia wrote:
[Mentai's Normal]

00:24:323 - i don't like how u ignore that beat , he is so evident that the fact of being ignored makes the patten 00:24:545 (2,3) - weird. Since its a normal, u can just put a single circle 00:24:323 - in the way that not need a hotfix or anything, just a click xD. And also, don't have problem because u prepared the player with 00:16:323 (3,1) - and even 00:21:879 (1,2) - prepare to. This happen here to 00:52:768 - .remember that this is a lowest diff normal, i must include 1/1 breaks where i can to break up long 1/2 chains. thus i believe this is a better rhythm because i can emphasize the melody AND the drums here 00:24:545 (2,3) -

This happen similar in 00:26:101 - to, but here its not soo evident the song so i belive u can let then like u made.
00:27:212 (1,2) - Here you follow good, i like xD
00:28:990 (1,2,3) - i don't feel if is good to do a differentiation here, for me, seems like u want to do different from 00:21:879 (1,2,3) - , u can do a slider but with a different shape, that serves as differentiation to(if you agree with that, i will let to you with the shapes xD) . The same point here 00:57:434 (1,2,3) - . in a normal diff, i think rhythm should be consitent but the way it is played is unique or interesting since everything is DSd and can become boring. thus higher level slider ideas, patterning, etc, is reserved for insane+ because you can really make a map revolve around those ideas, while i am just making a diff for beginners.

however i did fix the slider a bit to make it play nicer

Good easy, safe , my points are more aesthetic to, the rhythm its good xD

thank you ~

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Artist:Hirokazu Koshio
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