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How to prevent locks and exiles

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Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

[Taiga] wrote:

spend some of your free time to read every post
and decide whether threads are quality or not. Don't worry, I need to do it too shoutout to Foxtrot

Foxtrot wrote:

a thread that sparked conversation and a lot of pages is how you make a thread that will prevent locks and exiles, folks
Thinking and posting can be chopped into three levels:

  1. Factual
    1. Pretty much bare facts.
  2. Interpretive
    1. Starting to get a bit opinionated here
    2. Involves why you think events happened
  3. Evaluative
    1. Prediction of the future.
    2. Bunch up several theories
Evaluative is the strongest type of thinking here, and is most likely what Taiga is attempting to push us toward.

Of course, once a thread is locked, it's gone. But what the veterans are trying to say is

[Taiga] wrote:

Sole idea of letting threads die is to not force mods to lock them. Thread doesn't need to be locked to die naturally. It's all about people to not bump them. Recognize what is utter shit and let it die, just leave.
So what he is saying is that if you don't want your threads locked, recognize what is trash and let it sink.

Also,

Blitzfrog wrote:

To let a thread die
You don't post in it
Now, feel free to check this compendium out any time. It will hopefully help you recognize what NOT to do.

Locked threads and when - as of Eph's Edict; all times in GMT
  1. rooles on h0w 2 git GUD!!!1!!11 - Zekks
    11:55:49P June 9 2017 --- 11:58:40A June 10 2017 = Zekks ExS +1 = 1/3
  2. Dan dan, tatoe, and hime hime but it's all in a thread - Zekks
    04:16:39A June 11 2017 --- 08:51:59P June 11 2017 = Zekks ExS +1 = 2/3
  3. petition - Zekks
    02:57:17P June 11 2017 --- 08:52:51P June 11 2017 = Zekks +1 = Ex'd
  4. Osu steals music from other games - Yuudachi-kun
    09:38:04A June 22 2017 --- 01:12:34P June 22 2017 = Yuudachi-kun ExS +2 = 2/3

To Ephemeral:
yes I know that the threads you locked are shit but the exiled person is NOT fucked as you say. Yet, at least. Who knows... Also Eph, I respect the 3-girl rule but still have questions about it. Deal with it you chickenman on steroids.
To the Veterans:
Yes, I know this is a mouthful but bear with me, also, this is spelt out carefully so, hope you like it.
To the Neophytes:
I'll be the decoy. In other words, continue to shitpost while I become a Veteran. We'll see what is best after what, 3-6 moths or so

Hit me with your criticism, LET'S GO

NOTE: This thread will be bumped at every moment needed.
Fhaye
Do not post
abraker
Regardless of lock or letting it sink, OT denizens interaction would still be same. There is nothing but so called "quality" threads and a few posts in them before it runs dry. You can talk about so much in relation to the thread topic. Currently posting dies down faster than new topics are made, making a suffocating bottleneck.
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro
I see now way how it all will exponentially decay down to zero, unless you were sarcastic
abraker

DJ Enetro wrote:

I see now way how it all will exponentially decay down to zero, unless you were sarcastic
Not being sarcastic. It won't decay to 0, but it wil still be terrible. Just a few threads popping and running dry with the rest that survive just containing same old regulars chatting in ITT2 like threads.
Railey2
if you need a guide to not be exiled you deserve being exiled and should, in fact, be exiled right away.
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

Railey2 wrote:

if you need a guide to not be exiled you deserve being exiled and should, in fact, be exiled right away.
Really now, let's not jump to conclusions. Sometimes people can't think farther from what they want to see. You're lucky someone is even listening.
The point of this guide is to PREVENT exiles. How is your point valid? Back it up.
Railey2

DJ Enetro wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

if you need a guide to not be exiled you deserve being exiled and should, in fact, be exiled right away.
Really now, let's not jump to conclusions. Sometimes people can't think farther from what they want to see. You're lucky someone is even listening.
The point of this guide is to PREVENT exiles. How is your point valid? Back it up.
everyone who can't even think this far on their own must have a REALLY simple mind and should therefore not be allowed to post threads as they would be equally simple and uninteresting (aka what we call trash).

Also, this thread is a pretty bad guide. No structure whatsoever.
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

Railey2 wrote:

simple and uninteresting
Why are you taking away their chances to improve? Imo if a thread is trash, just let it die and float into the OT archives
Unless you think that their posts reflect the quality of a thread they might create.

kai99 wrote:

good threads can come with low effort
Railey2
I didn't say anything about their posts. I say:

IF you are so dumb that you need a guide to tell shit apart from stuff that's not shit, THEN you should be exiled because clearly, you're so dumb that nothing good could ever come out of you creating a thread.



I am not taking their chances away.. how did you get that? Because they couldn't post threads anymore? There are other ways to learn. The best method is to wait until you're no longer 12 years old.
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

Railey2 wrote:

you're so dumb that nothing good could ever come out of you creating a thread.

The best method is to wait until you're no longer 12 years old.
Na, I think learn by experience is the best way, but let's leave it at that.
Railey2
The best way to learn isn't just by getting negative feedback (aka: thread getting locked and everyone flaming you). You need to facilitate a proper understanding of the distinction between shit and non-shit by giving constructive feedback. But who does that? Nobody.
Guides can be good for that, so I suppose you're having the right ideas.

Still, a guide on the topic of "How to not post trash" almost seems like satire to me.

Experience is close to useless if you're too stupid to arrive at valid conclusions on your own. Chances are they'd get it even more wrong the next time around.
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

Railey2 wrote:

seems like satire
on Eph?
Tae

Railey2 wrote:

if you need a guide to not be exiled you deserve being exiled and should, in fact, be exiled right away.
Yeah... I said in Discord last night that you get two warnings before you're exiled as it is, and that each of these warnings essentially means "you're doing something bad, don't do this again"... but apparently that's not clear enough for people as they try to justify a thread which was just three songs.

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"People shouldn't be exiled on someone's personal opinion"

Right, so... isn't you saying that also subjective?
Also the fact that the thread in question was utter shit
There's also the fact that someone has to draw the line on what is and isn't okay, though, because otherwise nothing would ever happen :unamused:
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro
Tae it's based on objective points.

I mean just ask in the thread
Ashton
Lets be real here, we made an exile system for a very useless forum that has no meaning excect starting conversations. Usually very meaningless conversations. Yet we have to literally strict users privligages to post? At least put the people who were spamming the threads on "in danger of being exiled" so they can follow rules. Why completely strict their privileges with no warning?? If a threads stupid it'll die on it's own, no need to exile them for just being stupid. If they were stupid and spammed the fucking forum then give them an exile smh. How much more fucked can OT be?
Ephemeral
so start good conversations and there's no problem

in your case however it's more like "participate in conversations until you can be trusted to start your own"
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

Ephemeral wrote:

"participate in conversations until you can be trusted to start your own"
Quality is almost rarely achieved on the first thread post imo
Ephemeral
disagree, bunch of threads on the front page atm that set out a good groundwork without even trying that hard
Zekks

DJ Enetro wrote:

Quality is almost rarely achieved on the first thread post imo
Your :thinking: thread was the best
abraker

Ephemeral wrote:

disagree, bunch of threads on the front page atm that set out a good groundwork without even trying that hard
Things are not as exciting though. Who am I going to yell "go kys" at for a dumb thread now?
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

abraker wrote:

Things are not as exciting though. Who am I going to yell "go kys" at for a dumb thread now?
*assuming the kys is in the yOOT form*
Maybe just give how to improve next created thread?

Ephemeral wrote:

bunch of threads on the front page atm that set out a good groundwork without even trying that hard
True


How do you don't do the obvious and be creative at the same time
johnmedina999

Ephemeral wrote:

disagree, bunch of threads on the front page atm that set out a good groundwork without even trying that hard
Disagree. All that has happened is spam stopped. This is a good thing imo, but it comes with the price of OT slowly getting more and more inactive. I give these rules 1 month.
Fhaye
It is actually up to you guys, if you stop complaining you can make this forum alive.
Or you can continue being salty with the new strict rules making you post less and make this forum dead.
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

DJ Enetro wrote:

Quality is almost rarely achieved on the first thread post imo
Your :thinking: thread was the best
Give me a link please.

Edit: Wait what? I never knew Hyerim was siding with the Veterans

Well, it's up to whoever posts imo... there's a lot of factors

Rip ninja'd
Fhaye
I am not siding with any, I just got fed up with this repetitive bullshit
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro
Well I stopped those Satires after deducing that:

1. Satires can just be posted as comments on threads
2. I need to read each and every post leading up to mods' locks before even deciding to criticize
3. Stand-alone insults (which can be hard to deduce from constructive criticism given the thread names) are best unsaid, and killed in the poster's mind

How should I go from there
ColdTooth

DJ Enetro wrote:

How should I go from there
not be dumb?
Fhaye
You know, rather than making threads like this. Why not do something else that may bring good life to this forum whom you're saying that will be dead in no time.
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