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Litharrale
checked the :b:Vs
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eyes
woa quick, thank you, now its ok

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Final boss LITHARRALE: passed!!
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Protastic101
spread is between easy and normal is most concerning to me at the moment, but there's also some sv inconsistencies I wanna mention

[atmosphere]
00:59:978 - 01:00:146 - Should be 1.75x to be consistent with 00:54:585 -

01:03:180 - Tbh, I don't really understand the effect you're trying to get at here. It's obviously a slowdown but why do it with a spacing inconsistent to the speed up back to 1x at 01:13:629 - which also uses 1/6 which I think is inappropriate when the majority of the song is in straight timing. If you want a slowjam or something, I would make the effect more noticeable like down to 0.9x at the most, but 0.85x preferably. Additionally, I'd make the slow downs and speed ups consistently spaced. Really though, I think leaving it at 1x would be best since the song doesn't really lose its speed by going into half time or double time or whatever.

01:24:076 - Should be snapped at 01:24:079 -

01:24:753 - Ok, so for these SVs, I want to ask why you would change the method of SVing midway through the map. You've used normal SVs up until 01:24:079 - where the mixture of ms units and snap units actually doesn't average out to 1x anymore. I get that you want to be new and innovative, but you also have to be consistent. If you want ms averages with unsnanpped green lines everywhere, go ahead, but do it in the beginning part of the map too, not just here because otherwise it looks innconsistent to have it be one way and then literally less than a second later go back to snap units at 01:26:944 - again

01:26:944 - I dont really think a stutter here is necessary. For one, it's pretty much unnoticeable, and two, the song doesn't support it because there's only a 1/2 guitar riff going on and nothing else to even hint at the idea of a sound being broken apart or repeated as fast as the stutter is. I think it's completely uncalled for here and is unnatural to have since there's no musical support for it.

01:30:146 - Not really understanding the purpose of these speed ups here either. It only lasts for 1/2 beat into the first measure where there's no emphasis or anything from the song to warrant it. I'd simply leave it at 1x at 01:30:146 - to avoid confusing the player or something. Also didn't do it at 01:35:540 - despite it being the same sound and style. Essentially a repeat of the previous bar

01:34:697 - Again, please be consistent with how you do your SVs. Either choose to use snaps as units or milliseconds as units, but don't use them interchangeably because it's confusing to both the player to be presented with a different visual effect and the modder cause I have to use more steps to ensure it's averaged Q_Q. at 01:34:709 - though, you'll want to make the 0.65x SV into 0.67x to be as close as possible to 1x because now you're at 0.985x average. I still would make it consistent though with how you'd initially done your SVs.
01:34:781 - 01:34:865 - 01:35:034 - 01:35:202 - 01:35:371 - ^ Though for the first two notes that are singles, I would make the SV weaker since they don't have the same amount of strength in sound.

01:39:774 - Unaveraged, the 0.85x should be 0.67x instead since again, you switched to using snaps to average your SVs and literally this is so confusing having to switch back and forth all the time.
01:39:837 - ^ Would also weaken these compared to 01:39:922 - since the sound is weaker

01:39:922 - 01:40:090 - 01:40:259 - 01:40:427 - 01:40:596 - 01:40:764 - These are all unaveraged because you continued using 1/16 snaps for SVs that are averaged with four units in mind when these sequences actually contain 8. So you can either change the 2x to 2.05x or the 0.85x to 0.86x but that's an irrational number and who likes working with that tbh

01:51:719 - *crying*

01:53:573 - This is impossible to average with a 6x initial SV since there's only 5 units you can work with. Honestly though, I'd have just done a simple bump like this:
  1. 01:53:573 - 01:53:573 - 4x
  2. 01:53:742 - 0.25x
02:02:000 - 02:02:169 - 1.75x in place of 1.70x

02:04:992 - Should be 3.4x to be averaged.

Basically, for this diff, figure out how you want to SV and then stick with it because changing the style of them midway through after every SV sequence is really difficult to follow and not in a fun way. It's just confusing to the player who won't have the time to understand what exactly you're trying to get at with the SVs in a 1:40 drain.


[Spread]
Assume left is easy and right is normal.

00:52:394 - So this is pretty much where the problem of spread begins. The introduction to both maps was great in terms of difference in difficulty being just enough to challenge the player in the top diff but not impossible to go between both, but here is where it's demanding too much from the player. The beginner is only using 1/1 with very small usage of 1/2, but the normal goes directly to 1/2 jumpstreams with jumps every 1/1.
If you had gone to 1/1 jumps in the normal, it might have been acceptable, or 1/2 streams in the normal without jumps,
that'd also be fine, but this added both chords and speed to the chart without giving a proper introduction to the newer players in the lowest diff.


01:03:180 - Beginner using 2/1 singles and normal using 1/2 singles. If beginner used 1/1 singles, I think it would be fine,
but currently the difference in density is too high. The normal has a rhythm that is essentially 4x faster than the beginner.


01:30:146 - This section isn't terribly spread apart, but there are some measures in the normal like at 01:46:326 - where it gets a bit wide. I suppose it's fine though since it's not as bad as other parts in terms of spread.

01:54:416 - See what I said in the first timestamp.


Pretty much the only real problems I have with the map so far.
Topic Starter
eyes
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Secret boss - PROTASTIC101!!
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Protastic101 wrote:

spread is between easy and normal is most concerning to me at the moment, but there's also some sv inconsistencies I wanna mention

[atmosphere]
00:59:978 - 01:00:146 - Should be 1.75x to be consistent with 00:54:585 - fixed

01:03:180 - Tbh, I don't really understand the effect you're trying to get at here. It's obviously a slowdown but why do it with a spacing inconsistent to the speed up back to 1x at 01:13:629 - which also uses 1/6 which I think is inappropriate when the majority of the song is in straight timing. If you want a slowjam or something, I would make the effect more noticeable like down to 0.9x at the most, but 0.85x preferably. Additionally, I'd make the slow downs and speed ups consistently spaced. Really though, I think leaving it at 1x would be best since the song doesn't really lose its speed by going into half time or double time or whatever. k, removed slowjam

01:24:076 - Should be snapped at 01:24:079 - lol idk what is these time-codes but just refreshed snap

01:24:753 - Ok, so for these SVs, I want to ask why you would change the method of SVing midway through the map. You've used normal SVs up until 01:24:079 - where the mixture of ms units and snap units actually doesn't average out to 1x anymore. I get that you want to be new and innovative, but you also have to be consistent. If you want ms averages with unsnanpped green lines everywhere, go ahead, but do it in the beginning part of the map too, not just here because otherwise it looks innconsistent to have it be one way and then literally less than a second later go back to snap units at 01:26:944 - again
sounds like chicane for me, I don't think it can be any problem. Not sure but I guess no player will notice this thing, and I don't count it as inconsistency thing, song (/map) splits for 3 parts, second part (with ms ranged SVs) is main part of the song and why can I use some different way of SV?


01:26:944 - I dont really think a stutter here is necessary. For one, it's pretty much unnoticeable, and two, the song doesn't support it because there's only a 1/2 guitar riff going on and nothing else to even hint at the idea of a sound being broken apart or repeated as fast as the stutter is. I think it's completely uncalled for here and is unnatural to have since there's no musical support for it. Can't say much about this, I feel distortion of electro-
guitar and other peope (testplayers) were ok with it, I think it fits to sound. I know 1/2 is kinda much dominating here but 1/2 sv here looks awkward to me


01:30:146 - Not really understanding the purpose of these speed ups here either. It only lasts for 1/2 beat into the first measure where there's no emphasis or anything from the song to warrant it. I'd simply leave it at 1x at 01:30:146 - to avoid confusing the player or something. Also didn't do it at 01:35:540 - despite it being the same sound and style. Essentially a repeat of the previous bar k deleted since it's not even noticeable

01:34:697 - Again, please be consistent with how you do your SVs. Either choose to use snaps as units or milliseconds as units, but don't use them interchangeably because it's confusing to both the player to be presented with a different visual effect and the modder cause I have to use more steps to ensure it's averaged Q_Q. at 01:34:709 - though, you'll want to make the 0.65x SV into 0.67x to be as close as possible to 1x because now you're at 0.985x average. I still would make it consistent though with how you'd initially done your SVs.
01:34:781 - 01:34:865 - 01:35:034 - 01:35:202 - 01:35:371 - ^ Though for the first two notes that are singles, I would make the SV weaker since they don't have the same amount of strength in sound.

01:39:774 - Unaveraged, the 0.85x should be 0.67x instead since again, you switched to using snaps to average your SVs and literally this is so confusing having to switch back and forth all the time.
01:39:837 - ^ Would also weaken these compared to 01:39:922 - since the sound is weaker

01:39:922 - 01:40:090 - 01:40:259 - 01:40:427 - 01:40:596 - 01:40:764 - These are all unaveraged because you continued using 1/16 snaps for SVs that are averaged with four units in mind when these sequences actually contain 8. So you can either change the 2x to 2.05x or the 0.85x to 0.86x but that's an irrational number and who likes working with that tbh

remaking SVs on toms (01:34:697 - 01:39:753 )

01:51:719 - *crying*

01:53:573 - This is impossible to average with a 6x initial SV since there's only 5 units you can work with. Honestly though, I'd have just done a simple bump like this:
  1. 01:53:573 - 01:53:573 - 4x
  2. 01:53:742 - 0.25x this SV wasn't supposed to be averaged
02:02:000 - 02:02:169 - 1.75x in place of 1.70x fixed

02:04:992 - Should be 3.4x to be averaged. ok

Basically, for this diff, figure out how you want to SV and then stick with it because changing the style of them midway through after every SV sequence is really difficult to follow and not in a fun way. It's just confusing to the player who won't have the time to understand what exactly you're trying to get at with the SVs in a 1:40 drain. I don't want to be baka but I don't agree with this at all (directly in this map), player won't be confused as long as SV are averaged (or almost averaged~), stutters in this map are pretty similar and I don't see any point that would confuse player


[Spread]
Assume left is easy and right is normal.

00:52:394 - So this is pretty much where the problem of spread begins. The introduction to both maps was great in terms of difference in difficulty being just enough to challenge the player in the top diff but not impossible to go between both, but here is where it's demanding too much from the player. The beginner is only using 1/1 with very small usage of 1/2, but the normal goes directly to 1/2 jumpstreams with jumps every 1/1.
If you had gone to 1/1 jumps in the normal, it might have been acceptable, or 1/2 streams in the normal without jumps,
that'd also be fine, but this added both chords and speed to the chart without giving a proper introduction to the newer players in the lowest diff. decreased doubles in normal diff


01:03:180 - Beginner using 2/1 singles and normal using 1/2 singles. If beginner used 1/1 singles, I think it would be fine,
but currently the difference in density is too high. The normal has a rhythm that is essentially 4x faster than the beginner. added notes for vocal in beginner


01:30:146 - This section isn't terribly spread apart, but there are some measures in the normal like at 01:46:326 - where it gets a bit wide. I suppose it's fine though since it's not as bad as other parts in terms of spread. also added some notes for vocal in beginner

01:54:416 - See what I said in the first timestamp.


Pretty much the only real problems I have with the map so far.
MrDorian
could you raise the hp to 8.5, please? The hp is too forgiving, I suck at 8k and I got this score https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9658648 (fuk that I failed at the end, I was close to fail many times)
plsssss
Topic Starter
eyes
well ok
also raised shana's hp to 7.7
thanks for feedback
Protastic101
00:57:450 - this is just a really minor nitpick, but you should change the 2.00x to 1.99x if you want to secondary SV value to be a whole value. It doesn't really bother me if you change it though, as I said, it's just a really minor thing.

01:26:944 - I still think that this stutter is too sudden and out of place. I don't really hear the distortion you mentioned, but I making the effect a little weaker would be most fitting at the minimum. So instead of 1/8 stutters, they'd become 1/4 and you could probably lessen the value from 1.9x - 0.1x to 1.5x - 0.5x which still gets across the distortion but is a bit more subtle to avoid a sudden glitch type effect for a relatively smooth sound.

01:40:764 - I think it'd be nice to strengthen the SV here a little since it's a snare instead of a lower sounding tom. Maybe instead of 1.4x - 0.78x, you could do 1.65x - 0.72x like you have in the first kiai.

01:53:573 - What's the effect you're trying to go for here then by not averaging it? I think it's inconsistent to go the entire map with averaged SVs only to have the last one come at 2.52x the normal speed. It's a very large jump in average values that I don't think the sudden cut off of the song justifies.
Topic Starter
eyes

Protastic101 wrote:

00:57:450 - this is just a really minor nitpick, but you should change the 2.00x to 1.99x if you want to secondary SV value to be a whole value. It doesn't really bother me if you change it though, as I said, it's just a really minor thing. ok

01:26:944 - I still think that this stutter is too sudden and out of place. I don't really hear the distortion you mentioned, but I making the effect a little weaker would be most fitting at the minimum. So instead of 1/8 stutters, they'd become 1/4 and you could probably lessen the value from 1.9x - 0.1x to 1.5x - 0.5x which still gets across the distortion but is a bit more subtle to avoid a sudden glitch type effect for a relatively smooth sound. changed but by other way

01:40:764 - I think it'd be nice to strengthen the SV here a little since it's a snare instead of a lower sounding tom. Maybe instead of 1.4x - 0.78x, you could do 1.65x - 0.72x like you have in the first kiai. ok

01:53:573 - What's the effect you're trying to go for here then by not averaging it? I think it's inconsistent to go the entire map with averaged SVs only to have the last one come at 2.52x the normal speed. It's a very large jump in average values that I don't think the sudden cut off of the song justifies.
All instruments disappear and only soft vocal stays, so effect's purpose is to make the convert empty for sudden calmness. Notes accuratly come down with vocal note. Not averaged because it wouldn't really give that effect I want to use. Sorry!
01:53:573 - also changed this sv from 6x to 5x
Protastic101
01:03:180 - Tbh, the difference in hitnormal volume between this section to 01:13:967 - is quite a wide jump. I think it'd be better to just leave them both at 25% and delete the green line at 01:13:967 - as it would become redundant. Otherwise, Lith is free to rebubble this.
Topic Starter
eyes
01:13:967 - deleted green line. Used 15% volume instead of 25%
Litharrale
Ravioli ravioli dont pop my bubble ash/rivals i know you're reading this smh
Rivals_7
[Beginner]

01:13:967 (73967|0) - part of me dont want this to be in the scratch lane (col 1) but part of me says its fine cuz its to indicate a beginning of a section . how about - http://puu.sh/yImEz/9fdef9d9e6.png

01:14:472 (74472|4) - was this supposed to follow kicks or vocals? its quite an odd transition. i'd say just stick with the kicks
applies to others

[422]

01:47:674 (107674|2) - there shouldnt be any triples around here? there's only a kick and a hat

else look ok
Topic Starter
eyes
01:13:967 - I think it's fine since it's suitable for this point, like here is nice vocal (wasn't supposed to emphasize vocal tho but anyway), and cymbal, and, as you said, begin of the part
01:14:472 (74472|4) - all simple notes are supposed to represent the vocal. didn't add notes on red ticks because it would be too hard and overloaded. 1/2 is fine enough to emphasize the vocal here
Didn't agree. Sorry!

deleted one one from 422's diff (yes I have his permission)

well the change is just removing 1 note from normal diff, so I guess it'll be fine without lith's rebubble

please qualify it nOw
Rivals_7
are mania dead?
rumors says so but never fear, 8k is here

(now there's 4 keymode variation in qualified woo)
Feerum
Disqualified on Mappers request.
Topic Starter
eyes
changes:
reworked this part 01:30:146 .
01:30:146 (90146|7,90146|1,94191|6,94191|2) - in this pattern LNs represent the chorus, drums are on other 5 columns and it becomes like 5k style -w-
01:35:540 (95540|1,95540|4,95540|7,98236|6,98236|2) - this supposed to be repeat but added +1 LN on thumb for emphasizing that pitch is higher than on previous pattern. drums are on other 4 columns so it becomes like 4k style -w- (some snares are not triples to avoid jacks)
01:02:506 - changed to original pattern, more comfortable and suitable for music

yea I'm really sorry Rivals, dq because got feedback and I think I can improve second kiai
Julie
Sorry hope I wasn't too rude on discord, already explain most of the scratch part and mostly the freaking long LN on scratch with tons of notes. x.x...lel
Basically is not possible for controller play, and also the feels on keyboard isn't that great as well, it turn the map 7+1k to a normal 8k map on the last kiai.
The special scratch lane is meant to have some special note, yet it have been map to the guitar while that guitar sound also appear in normal lane as well.


  • [Atmosphere]
  1. 00:26:144 (26144|3) - Wrong snap, I'm 100% sure you're matching these LN 00:24:488 (24488|1,25011|2,25185|3,25534|7,25708|6,25883|4) - for the vocal. and this 00:26:144 (26144|3) - is for the change in the voice. I have no idea how you hear it here 00:26:144 - , but is clearly here 00:26:057 - the "kkkttt". Even the ending of the "kkkttt" the hitsound come after it finish.

  2. 00:31:464 (31464|1) - How about ending the LN to 00:31:639 - Since these 00:31:813 (31813|2,31988|3,32162|4,32511|6) - are match for the voice, the vocal here 00:31:464 (31464|1) - doesn't continue to 00:31:813 - but stop at 00:31:639 - .

  3. 00:38:964 (38964|2) - Move it somewhere in the right? Feel kinda empty on the right side.

  4. 00:43:150 (43150|5,43325|5) - There is so much space, I'm not sure if this jack is intentional.

  5. 00:52:104 (52104|1) - hmm? I don't think I hear any drum here, and if you're going to use reason "voice"...uhh...don't think that's how it work. Just follow the clear drum at 00:52:162 (52162|7,52162|2,52220|3,52278|4,52336|5) - , you'Re making it kinda complicated.

  6. 00:56:776 (56776|5,56776|7,56776|3,56944|6,56944|2,57113|1,57113|3,57113|5,57281|4,57281|2,57450|7,57450|3,57450|5,57562|2,57562|4,57562|6,57674|1,57674|5,57674|3,57787|2,57787|7,57787|4) - Seriously what's up with this pattern?! Is the same pattern for different type of sound and different snap.

  7. 01:13:545 - Not mapping this sound anymore?

  8. 01:24:753 - + What in the world happen with the 2nd and 8th column?!?! .

  9. 01:30:146 (90146|1,90146|7) - and 01:35:540 (95540|4,95540|7,95540|1) - Your new change hew is killing me XD. For the same guitar sound one is 2 LNs the other is 3 LNs. Even thought the LN is not in the scratch part, it still feel like a 8k instead of a 7+1k and guess what it feel horrible to play on controller, nearly not possible for some style of play as well. Think about one hand holding a long note in first column, while trying to have your pinky turn the scratch while having tons of other notes on the left hands. There isn't a lots of people playing 8k on controller on osu, but if is keyboard, you probably want to make those LN consistent x.x.

  10. 01:53:068 (113068|0,113405|0) - I kinda hate how you change a bit the song with these 2 hitsound, it doesn't have the same loud cym as these 01:51:719 (111719|0,112056|0,112393|0,112731|0,113573|0) - .

  11. 01:51:719 - + Not not on the 2nd and 7th column.

  12. 01:54:416 - Doubt you'll change it but you're short LN are so not consistent, even if you is for the highest pitch, is still not consistent, because for example the highest pitch 01:56:776 - .

  13. 02:01:045 (121045|3) - Wait what, why is there a drum-hitnormal in the sample sound, you're completly changing the song as well with the stream here 02:00:989 (120989|5,120989|2,121045|3,121101|4) - . I only hear a sound here 02:01:045 (121045|3) - not here 02:01:101 (121101|4) - .


    I find the SVs so freaking random even thought is for the drum, it just doesn't fit, it feel like a force SV where you just want to put SV to make it "special" but it doesn't fit the song much orz.

To be fair, I honestly think this map need way more mods, I can't start pointing out every single little thing but is your choice, I'll let you think about it before telling me if you want your bubble back.

I'll continue tomorrow.
Topic Starter
eyes

Julie wrote:

Sorry hope I wasn't too rude on discord, already explain most of the scratch part and mostly the freaking long LN on scratch with tons of notes. x.x...lel
Basically is not possible for controller play, and also the feels on keyboard isn't that great as well, it turn the map 7+1k to a normal 8k map on the last kiai.
The special scratch lane is meant to have some special note, yet it have been map to the guitar while that guitar sound also appear in normal lane as well.


  • [Atmosphere]
  1. 00:26:144 (26144|3) - Wrong snap, I'm 100% sure you're matching these LN 00:24:488 (24488|1,25011|2,25185|3,25534|7,25708|6,25883|4) - for the vocal. and this 00:26:144 (26144|3) - is for the change in the voice. I have no idea how you hear it here 00:26:144 - , but is clearly here 00:26:057 - the "kkkttt". Even the ending of the "kkkttt" the hitsound come after it finish. looks like I used 1/4 for simplification or something (maybe I'm just bad :)), I guess it won't be bad if I place it more accurately on 00:26:101

  2. 00:31:464 (31464|1) - How about ending the LN to 00:31:639 - Since these 00:31:813 (31813|2,31988|3,32162|4,32511|6) - are match for the voice, the vocal here 00:31:464 (31464|1) - doesn't continue to 00:31:813 - but stop at 00:31:639 - . looks fine

  3. 00:38:964 (38964|2) - Move it somewhere in the right? Feel kinda empty on the right side. 00:38:964 - moved to 7

  4. 00:43:150 (43150|5,43325|5) - There is so much space, I'm not sure if this jack is intentional. this is intentional, for emphasizing the guitar sound (also similar thing 00:48:732 (48732|3,48906|3) - )

  5. 00:52:104 (52104|1) - hmm? I don't think I hear any drum here, and if you're going to use reason "voice"...uhh...don't think that's how it work. Just follow the clear drum at 00:52:162 (52162|7,52162|2,52220|3,52278|4,52336|5) - , you'Re making it kinda complicated. I clearly hear bass drum hear

  6. 00:56:776 (56776|5,56776|7,56776|3,56944|6,56944|2,57113|1,57113|3,57113|5,57281|4,57281|2,57450|7,57450|3,57450|5,57562|2,57562|4,57562|6,57674|1,57674|5,57674|3,57787|2,57787|7,57787|4) - Seriously what's up with this pattern?! Is the same pattern for different type of sound and different snap. rearranged

  7. 01:13:545 - Not mapping this sound anymore? my bad, fixed

  8. 01:24:753 - + What in the world happen with the 2nd and 8th column?!?! . intentionally using 5k style here to emphasize guitar part

  9. 01:30:146 (90146|1,90146|7) - and 01:35:540 (95540|4,95540|7,95540|1) - Your new change hew is killing me XD. For the same guitar sound one is 2 LNs the other is 3 LNs. Even thought the LN is not in the scratch part, it still feel like a 8k instead of a 7+1k and guess what it feel horrible to play on controller, nearly not possible for some style of play as well. Think about one hand holding a long note in first column, while trying to have your pinky turn the scratch while having tons of other notes on the left hands. There isn't a lots of people playing 8k on controller on osu, but if is keyboard, you probably want to make those LN consistent x.x.

  10. 01:53:068 (113068|0,113405|0) - I kinda hate how you change a bit the song with these 2 hitsound, it doesn't have the same loud cym as these 01:51:719 (111719|0,112056|0,112393|0,112731|0,113573|0) - . shifter first one and deleted second

  11. 01:51:719 - + Not not on the 2nd and 7th column.

  12. 01:54:416 - Doubt you'll change it but you're short LN are so not consistent, even if you is for the highest pitch, is still not consistent, because for example the highest pitch 01:56:776 - . actually highest pitch is here 01:59:304 , yes I'm using LNs for most highest pitches of the guitar but not mapping some of them to avoid making it to uncomfortable

  13. 02:01:045 (121045|3) - Wait what, why is there a drum-hitnormal in the sample sound, you're completly changing the song as well with the stream here 02:00:989 (120989|5,120989|2,121045|3,121101|4) - . I only hear a sound here 02:01:045 (121045|3) - not here 02:01:101 (121101|4) - . hit-normals are representing the guitar in this part, so to not miss this stream I used it as sample. Idk how you don't hear 02:01:101 (121101|4) - , it's pretty high pitch and very audible


    I find the SVs so freaking random even thought is for the drum, it just doesn't fit, it feel like a force SV where you just want to put SV to make it "special" but it doesn't fit the song much orz.

To be fair, I honestly think this map need way more mods, I can't start pointing out every single little thing but is your choice, I'll let you think about it before telling me if you want your bubble back.

I'll continue tomorrow.
I'll think about 01:30:146 , will rework it again definetely

Also Lith said he is going to qualify this
Meiju
Damn, the ranking process is too long, rank this map already :?
a4a01
Great map! Looking forward to the day when it's ranked.
Topic Starter
eyes
thank you guys

chocola please bubble
Rivals_7
1-8
top diff

01:16:326 (76326|2,76410|1,76495|2) - i would expect people got really hard time with one hand anti-roll so might change that into one-direction roll or smth
01:18:938 (78938|6,79023|7,79107|6) - likewise (assuming finger independence is weaker on pinky, ring, and mid (for most people that is)
01:21:719 (81719|5,81804|4,81888|5) - this is ok since anti-roll happens in a middle. in which most people are comfortable with it.

01:49:528 (109528|4,109528|0,109697|2) - ok lol the scratch is not even in the crash so move it to 36|2 respectively

my interest somehow get weaker. before advancing i'd like to see at least 2-3 additional mod in top diff (i would legit ask someone who already capable in 8k modding. most of them aint in the mod queue tho) just to make it super sure or at least what they think about the top.
Topic Starter
eyes
I find these stair-shaped roll pretty fine, it is easy to read. I understand your point so I moved them to centre by 1 column

01:49:528 - scratch was supposed to emphasize the guitar sound, not crach

I think I understand your lost of interest, I am sorry for disqualification. Sure I'll try to get 2-3 mods for last diff. Let me poke you when I get some!
Kurisu Makise
Hi! Time to mod some almost ranked maps, yay :?

|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|

Atmosphere
00:34:081 - I'm sure there's high pitch (guitar?) sound, so i suggest note in 2.
00:35:999 (35999|1) - Here should be grace note or 2 notes at line (listen carefully at 25% speed)
00:36:871 (36871|2,36958|3,37046|4) - If you follow vocal here, it feels more appropriate to add another LN just like before. I can here something else at 25% speed, but this becomes just a confusing ghost note at full speed. There's really nothing that would make me expect 1/4 instead of LN while playing.
Besides, 00:35:650 (35650|6,36348|7,37046|7) - are the same pitch, so i'd expect them in same column or at least come with same shift, not 7-8-8.
00:38:310 - Guitar sound here is pretty notable, so it's a bit strange to see it ignored. Might feel confusing for a player.
00:38:674 - There's a sound. If you listen carefully, you can hear it even at full speed. And a note here would complete a 1/3 stream, so it wouldn't be confusing even for a player who can't hear it. 6th column maybe.
00:44:197 (44197|7,44371|1,44371|4,44371|2,44546|5,44546|6,44546|3,44720|7) - This seems awkward and too unbalanced. My suggestion: [url]puu.sh/yYIRp/c6a680fa3d.jpg[/url] (it also follows pr).
00:48:208 (48208|2) - Why one note only? There are both high and low pitch guitar sounds, this is strong position (barline) and, finally, there's no reason to reduce note count. You can add note to 7.
00:49:778 - Vocal ends here.
00:52:336 (52336|5) - Should have kick hitsound, not snare.
00:54:922 (54922|2,55090|5,55427|6,55933|2,56607|1) - Seems random to me. Please explain how did you decide to follow those certain sounds, but not the whole track.
01:03:180 - This doesn't deserve 4 notes. There's no cymbal even. It's supposed to be sudden silence after tense drum stream, not an epic climax, lol. So follow it properly with 1-2 notes, please.
01:28:377 (88377|4) - Can't hear anything.
02:02:759 (122759|4,122759|1) - Maybe snap at 1/3? Dunno, these snaps are killing me.

Good luck! :D
Topic Starter
eyes

Kivicat wrote:

Hi! Time to mod some almost ranked maps, yay :?

|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|

Atmosphere
00:34:081 - I'm sure there's high pitch (guitar?) sound, so i suggest note in 2. nice catch the beat
00:35:999 (35999|1) - Here should be grace note or 2 notes at line (listen carefully at 25% speed) added note but is sound a little bit earlier so snapped on 00:35:956
00:36:871 (36871|2,36958|3,37046|4) - If you follow vocal here, it feels more appropriate to add another LN just like before. I can here something else at 25% speed, but this becomes just a confusing ghost note at full speed. There's really nothing that would make me expect 1/4 instead of LN while playing. Not agree with it, it looks fine even at 100% speed (maybe because I used to listen to this song hundred times but anyway I want to map as I feel the song)
Besides, 00:35:650 (35650|6,36348|7,37046|7) - are the same pitch, so i'd expect them in same column or at least come with same shift, not 7-8-8. first one clearly sounds lower
00:38:310 - Guitar sound here is pretty notable, so it's a bit strange to see it ignored. Might feel confusing for a player. ok let's see how it will be
00:38:674 - There's a sound. If you listen carefully, you can hear it even at full speed. And a note here would complete a 1/3 stream, so it wouldn't be confusing even for a player who can't hear it. 6th column maybe. can't catch the sound lol, I can't hear
00:44:197 (44197|7,44371|1,44371|4,44371|2,44546|5,44546|6,44546|3,44720|7) - This seems awkward and too unbalanced. My suggestion: [url]puu.sh/yYIRp/c6a680fa3d.jpg[/url] (it also follows pr). changed
00:48:208 (48208|2) - Why one note only? There are both high and low pitch guitar sounds, this is strong position (barline) and, finally, there's no reason to reduce note count. You can add note to 7. ok
00:49:778 - Vocal ends here. 0k
00:52:336 (52336|5) - Should have kick hitsound, not snare. ok
00:54:922 (54922|2,55090|5,55427|6,55933|2,56607|1) - Seems random to me. Please explain how did you decide to follow those certain sounds, but not the whole track. Lns are supposed to emphasize high pitch guitar sounds, actually not all high pitch are LN'd for not ruining some patterns, it may be a little bit inconsistent but it's intended. Didn't LN everything because it would be overloaded. Current version seems perfect for me.
01:03:180 - This doesn't deserve 4 notes. There's no cymbal even. It's supposed to be sudden silence after tense drum stream, not an epic climax, lol. So follow it properly with 1-2 notes, please. yeah looks like I overchorded it a little bit, but I think player barely notice the "sudden silence"
so I keep the cymbal hitsound, removed only 1 note

01:28:377 (88377|4) - Can't hear anything. guitar is here, but seems like I messes up with bass hitsound so removed the HS and resnapped the note
02:02:759 (122759|4,122759|1) - Maybe snap at 1/3? Dunno, these snaps are killing me.it was 1/3 in original diff but resnapped everything to make it more simplier because it looked really complicated, it's more comfortable to play by this way

Good luck! :D
thank you
Mentholzzz
Mod Request in game. I can't play 8K so I can't mod much stuff , sorry.
A tmosphere
00:37:918 (37918|4) - It shouldn't be LN here, all LN before represents the vocal except this one. it will make player a bit confused imo.
01:02:169 - Isn't there should be a note in column 1 ? , I think i hear cymbal here.
01:24:922 - Why here is triple but the one at 01:27:618 - is double ? It's the same sound
01:46:073 - I can't hear any drum sound or any loud sound here. I think single should be enough .
02:01:045 (121045|3,121101|4) - Why 1/6 here, I think the 1/6 guitar is at 02:01:214 - and 02:01:270 - imo.

B eginner
00:43:150 - Missing a note here ? for guitar(?) you map before
01:12:281 (72281|6,72450|5,72618|7) - I think one-hand pattern like this is a bit too hard for Beginner diff imo, maybe move 01:12:450 (72450|5) - to column 4
01:41:270 (101270|6,101438|5,101607|7) - ^
01:46:326 (106326|6,107000|5,107169|7) - This one too, i can't even play this :D, maybe swap 01:46:326 (106326|6,107169|7) - column
01:59:809 - Shouldn't this be LN too ? , similar to 01:54:416 -
Topic Starter
eyes

Mentholzzz wrote:

Mod Request in game. I can't play 8K so I can't mod much stuff , sorry.
A tmosphere
00:37:918 (37918|4) - It shouldn't be LN here, all LN before represents the vocal except this one. it will make player a bit confused imo. it represents the vocal, it goes like i - i (first i is 00:37:743 (37743|3) )
01:02:169 - Isn't there should be a note in column 1 ? , I think i hear cymbal here. I get your point but it ruins the pattern so I keep this
01:24:922 - Why here is triple but the one at 01:27:618 - is double ? It's the same sound fixed
01:46:073 - I can't hear any drum sound or any loud sound here. I think single should be enough . here is some guitar sound, and it be more expectable for player
02:01:045 (121045|3,121101|4) - Why 1/6 here, I think the 1/6 guitar is at 02:01:214 - and 02:01:270 - imo. 02:01:158 - pretty audible one 3 guitar notes here, I think 1/6 is fine there, I can hear it

B eginner
00:43:150 - Missing a note here ? for guitar(?) you map before notes are prioritized for drum sounds in this part, ignored here 00:48:732 - as well
01:12:281 (72281|6,72450|5,72618|7) - I think one-hand pattern like this is a bit too hard for Beginner diff imo, maybe move 01:12:450 (72450|5) - to column 4 rearranged
01:41:270 (101270|6,101438|5,101607|7) - ^ ok
01:46:326 (106326|6,107000|5,107169|7) - This one too, i can't even play this :D, maybe swap 01:46:326 (106326|6,107169|7) - column rearranged
01:59:809 - Shouldn't this be LN too ? , similar to 01:54:416 - intended to emphasize next note 02:00:146
thank you
Rivals_7
01:49:528 (109528|0) - but this is just looks random. most of the scratch usage falls on crash anyway or rather fall in a predictable sense. this one isnt. theres no more scratch follows afterwards which is make it less worth to be solely emphasized.

if the guitar was the idea, then all the high pitched guitar should have been treated the same. i cant see why this should be specialized

01:23:742 (83742|0) - likewise, but i would suggest to - 01:23:405 (83405|2,83742|0) - swap their position so that the scratch falls in 4/1 with- 01:24:753 (84753|0) - (they do have the same crashes though)
Topic Starter
eyes
shifted all mentioned S notes to other columns
01:49:360 (109360|1,109528|1) - here is jack to emphasize the guitar instead of S column

thank you
Rivals_7
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consider this would be the last time i'm here
Garalulu
[General]
  1. Widescreen support is checked :V
[Beginning]
  1. 00:34:255 - 00:35:650 - It's not same melody with 00:28:674 - 00:30:069 - and 00:39:836 - 00:41:232 - , should be rearranged. Maybe you used background melody. Nevertheless, you didn't use that sound before like 00:32:336 - , so it's not valid comment. it's more like 00:31:464 - 00:32:860 - , just make same as what you expressed.
  2. 00:54:585 (54585|3) - If you add custom sample + hitsound at one note, sample will be only played. Finish and Clap sound will be ignored :p
  3. 01:19:023 (79023|4) - DN_Kick PE2F is missing.
  4. 01:30:146 - 01:53:573 - I have a question about this kiai section.
    01:33:349 - This is very small sound but has a note. I don't think it fits well. Even 01:32:506 - has drum sound but no notes, it makes player feel awkward when they face this part.
    01:40:764 - To add one note for drum sound and finish hitsound, 01:41:438 (101438|7) - should be deleted.
    Focus on strong sound rather than minor thing, it will be better.
[422's Normal]
  • 02:04:613 (124613|1) - Only this note is placed at 1/4 blue line, looks weird. as you showed at 02:03:854 (123854|2) - , you can make this same like it.
[Shana's Hard]
  1. 01:13:967 - 01:16:663 - about the LN usage, it's same structure with 01:19:360 - 01:22:056 - . So 01:15:652 - one note should be LN like 01:21:045 (81045|1) - or vice versa.
  2. 01:40:764 - single is too light, it's not just tom drum only but also Finish drum thing. it's weird that is same amount with 01:40:427 -, making double is good solution. Don't forget to add hitsound :p
[Atomsphere]
  1. 00:43:150 (43150|5,43325|5) - no reason to place them at same col, rearrange plz
  2. 00:56:607 - should be double as you showed it at 00:55:933 - and more.
  3. 01:28:349 (88349|6) - is it really necessary? very minor sound, it just distrupts the flow tho.
  4. 01:36:719 - should be triple like 01:31:326 -
  5. 01:39:416 - same thing with above, 01:34:023 -
  6. SV :V I'm okay with them but the last SV 02:04:865 - 02:05:034 - is questionable, do you have any answer why they should be placed?
semyon422

Garalulu wrote:

[422's Normal]
  • 02:04:613 (124613|1) - Only this note is placed at 1/4 blue line, looks weird. as you showed at 02:03:854 (123854|2) - , you can make this same like it.
This LN was moved 1/4 earlier and its duration was changed to 1/2
Topic Starter
eyes

Garalulu wrote:

[General]
  1. Widescreen support is checked :V does it matter?
[Beginning]
  1. 00:34:255 - 00:35:650 - It's not same melody with 00:28:674 - 00:30:069 - and 00:39:836 - 00:41:232 - , should be rearranged. Maybe you used background melody. Nevertheless, you didn't use that sound before like 00:32:336 - , so it's not valid comment. it's more like 00:31:464 - 00:32:860 - , just make same as what you expressed. aaa
  2. 00:54:585 (54585|3) - If you add custom sample + hitsound at one note, sample will be only played. Finish and Clap sound will be ignored :p oh lololol.
    I think I have nothing to do with it, let it be (?). It doesn't cause any problem.
  3. 01:19:023 (79023|4) - DN_Kick PE2F is missing. fixed
  4. 01:30:146 - 01:53:573 - I have a question about this kiai section.
    01:33:349 - This is very small sound but has a note. I don't think it fits well. Even 01:32:506 - has drum sound but no notes, it makes player feel awkward when they face this part.
    01:40:764 - To add one note for drum sound and finish hitsound, 01:41:438 (101438|7) - should be deleted.
    Focus on strong sound rather than minor thing, it will be better.
    In this kiai I'm mixing vocal and drum, mapping only drum is boring for me especially when vocal is in first plaice in song, but to not make it overload I ignored some drum notes.
[422's Normal]
  • 02:04:613 (124613|1) - Only this note is placed at 1/4 blue line, looks weird. as you showed at 02:03:854 (123854|2) - , you can make this same like it.
[Shana's Hard]
  1. 01:13:967 - 01:16:663 - about the LN usage, it's same structure with 01:19:360 - 01:22:056 - . So 01:15:652 - one note should be LN like 01:21:045 (81045|1) - or vice versa.
  2. 01:40:764 - single is too light, it's not just tom drum only but also Finish drum thing. it's weird that is same amount with 01:40:427 -, making double is good solution. Don't forget to add hitsound :p
[Atomsphere]
  1. 00:43:150 (43150|5,43325|5) - no reason to place them at same col, rearrange plz actually 00:43:194 (43194|6,43325|5) - have same pitch so it'd be nice to place them at same column
  2. 00:56:607 - should be double as you showed it at 00:55:933 - and more. fixed
  3. 01:28:349 (88349|6) - is it really necessary? very minor sound, it just distrupts the flow tho. deleted
  4. 01:36:719 - should be triple like 01:31:326 -
  5. 01:39:416 - same thing with above, 01:34:023 - fixed
  6. SV :V I'm okay with them but the last SV 02:04:865 - 02:05:034 - is questionable, do you have any answer why they should be placed? Well it's supposed to emphasize the sudden ending of kiai. It's supposed to be a sudden ending because it's shorter than first one, as you can see it should end at 02:05:202 - but it's kinda "cutted"
Shana accepted all and updated his diff with semyon' as well
Garalulu
I change my mind about first mention at Beginning
But still it seems shana didn't do something about 01:13:967 - 01:16:663 - mod
01:15:652 - change one note to 1/1 LN or 01:21:045 (81045|1) - make this rice note
Garalulu
8K
talked about above thing via discord
Topic Starter
eyes
thanks:
bubble: Rivals
pop: Litharrale, Protastic
rebubble: Litharrale, Rivals
qualify: Rivals, Garalulu
disqualify: Feerum
other BNs who did great mods: Maxus, Kawawa, Julie
WalterToro
Next time, please look at the bbcode and the order of the closing tags ;)

Also congratz on qualified <3
Topic Starter
eyes
ummmmm I want to keep that thing. New website is coming so whatever
AnatOWJIya
Well, my little Kazakhstan friend, grats with rank this beatiful map. Sadly i wasn't able to do check earlier, college and stuff, but i wanna ask you, how did you and BNs miised a HS problem?

One HS = Two troubles
1st - Max offset for HS is 5 ms, when this one does have 8ms
2nd - it's shorter then 100 ms (it's about 65 ms long)

Next time please be more careful,and grats once again
Arzenvald
mashallah
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