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Kontinuum - Lost (feat. Savoi) [Sunroof Remix] [OsuMania]

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riunosk
1,116 posts
Joined January 2015
riunosk
helo
from queue 1234

hhhhard
00:25:920 (25920|0,26160|0,26400|0,26640|0) - anchor
00:27:360 (27360|0,27600|0,27840|0,28080|0,28320|0) - ^
02:00:960 (120960|0,121200|0,121440|0,121680|0,121920|0,122160|0,122400|0) - ^
02:16:560 (136560|1,136800|1,137040|1,137280|1,137520|1,137760|1) - ^
Pretty good chart, though has quite a bit of anchors that needs to be reduced
foNtessssS
00:39:060 - missing note?
00:46:740 - ^
Great chart with very minor issues
i cry while i drift
(unrelated)
LOOK AT THAT GRASS
00:57:920 (57920|0,57920|1,58000|1,58000|0) - probably better to move one of them to [34]
02:04:080 (124080|0,124200|0,124320|0,124440|0,124560|0,124680|0,124800|0) - this is gonna be really uncomfortable to play, especially since the main mashy part hasn't begun yet
02:32:000 (152000|2,152000|3,152080|3,152080|2) - same as before
Interesting chart, great SVs, but be careful of extreme anchors
gud luk for renk !!
Ryu Sei
2,879 posts
Joined October 2013
Ryu Sei
Quick SV suggestion:

01:20:160 - I'd like to see a super super super slowjam here (do a 10-0,1 with 1/16 space) for every diffs and chords/doubles.

No kudosu pls
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

riunosk wrote:

helo
from queue 1234

hhhhard
00:25:920 (25920|0,26160|0,26400|0,26640|0) - anchor fixed
00:27:360 (27360|0,27600|0,27840|0,28080|0,28320|0) - ^ this one is not cuz I want to made it bit harder for transition part
02:00:960 (120960|0,121200|0,121440|0,121680|0,121920|0,122160|0,122400|0) - ^ fixed
02:16:560 (136560|1,136800|1,137040|1,137280|1,137520|1,137760|1) - ^ fixed
Pretty good chart, though has quite a bit of anchors that needs to be reduced

imo anchors are not always bad. They make players feel the main beat of the song. So since this hard diff's stream part is way easier than it's star rating, i'm pretty sure that using bit long anchors (up to 5 or 6) are okay.

i cry while i drift
(unrelated)
LOOK AT THAT GRASS HEALTHY GRASS
00:57:920 (57920|0,57920|1,58000|1,58000|0) - probably better to move one of them to [34] Intentionally made to be technical
02:04:080 (124080|0,124200|0,124320|0,124440|0,124560|0,124680|0,124800|0) - this is gonna be really uncomfortable to play, especially since the main mashy part hasn't begun yet Fixed
02:32:000 (152000|2,152000|3,152080|3,152080|2) - same as before ^
Interesting chart, great SVs, but be careful of extreme anchors
gud luk for renk !!
Thanks for mod riun :)
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

Ryu Sei wrote:

Quick SV suggestion:

01:20:160 - I'd like to see a super super super slowjam here (do a 10-0,1 with 1/16 space) for every diffs and chords/doubles.

No kudosu pls
Although teleportation effect that you suggested is good and make this map more fun, that doesn't fit with the other parts since I tried to make this chart to give players some soft, emotional impact, which means no dramatic effects will be used through whole map. Also, it is not that good to hit super slowjams like 0.1x or 0.15x which drops playability. Sorry for rejecting your suggestion and thanks for giving some attention to my map!
Ryu Sei
2,879 posts
Joined October 2013
Ryu Sei

Otakujanai wrote:

Although teleportation effect that you suggested is good and make this map more fun, that doesn't fit with the other parts since I tried to make this chart to give players some soft, emotional impact, which means no dramatic effects will be used through whole map. Also, it is not that good to hit super slowjams like 0.1x or 0.15x which drops playability. Sorry for rejecting your suggestion and thanks for giving some attention to my map!
I don't think such effect of surprise will be suffered by players, as I tried it over and over to every diffs. Of course, before the actual high-density part - 01:31:680 - normalize it to previous SV before sudden warp thing. You can also mix and match SVs and make kinda warp that length looks drastically decreasing for every chords pressed on that part.
Too bad I can't feel the SVs on easier diffs, as I could recommend this map could be a beginner's introduction to SV changes. Be it like, shooting some mild stutters (1,3 - 0,7), bounces or anything else it could be.

Anyway, here, take my kudosu and rank it soon! o wo) or I'll punish you if your SV looks 100000000% uglier than mine
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

Ryu Sei wrote:

Otakujanai wrote:

Although teleportation effect that you suggested is good and make this map more fun, that doesn't fit with the other parts since I tried to make this chart to give players some soft, emotional impact, which means no dramatic effects will be used through whole map. Also, it is not that good to hit super slowjams like 0.1x or 0.15x which drops playability. Sorry for rejecting your suggestion and thanks for giving some attention to my map!
I don't think such effect of surprise will be suffered by players, as I tried it over and over to every diffs. Of course, before the actual high-density part - 01:31:680 - normalize it to previous SV before sudden warp thing. You can also mix and match SVs and make kinda warp that length looks drastically decreasing for every chords pressed on that part.
Too bad I can't feel the SVs on easier diffs, as I could recommend this map could be a beginner's introduction to SV changes. Be it like, shooting some mild stutters (1,3 - 0,7), bounces or anything else it could be.

Anyway, here, take my kudosu and rank it soon! o wo) or I'll punish you if your SV looks 100000000% uglier than mine
About SVs you recomended,

1. Applying SVs to easier diffs
-> Yes of course I also want to put bit lighter effects on easier diffs, especially for hard. However, not much SV maps have SVs in their normal or hard diff.
I think I can give four reasoning for this one.

1) Light users don't have much experience in the field of SVs and most of them usually don't like it, which also mean they don't need extra effects.
They usually play lightly just to enjoy music, so SVs could bother them while playing.

2) Mappers usually don't apply SVs for lighter diffs.
If they do apply SVs then SVs might overtake the feeling than the ones that are given normally by notes.
tbh it was quite questionable for me when I had lack of understanding about SVs, but not for now.

3) If SVs are made to be too light(since it should be at least lighter than harder diffs), it could make map less enjoyable.
What I mean is that it just simply distract players' concentration, while not giving good impacts.

4) As you can notice, SVs between 'Emotional Drift' and 'Fontes' Insane' is quite different.
If I also apply SVs for hard diff, some could say this mapset's SVs are inconsistent.

2. Teleportation effect / normalization
-> Slowjam effect should follow the sound in my opinion. Although sounds feels like closing 01:04:800 - all the way till 01:35:520 - however, there still exists strong background sounds. If there were no sounds, I would also agree to use slowjam around ~0.2x but it's not. Also I disagree with using SVs that make players feel sudden difference while there is no sound. I didn't meant that effect will surprise players, but they might feel strange and uncomfortable with the effect that seems to be not following the song, which drops the quality of experience they would get through this map.

Also this mapset is made by noob Otakujanai, not by me. just saying cuz this map revived from eternal slumber recently
So I just simply want to follow his SV mapping style.

Since I'm concerned that you might think I'm just rejecting with nonsense reasoning and have lack of experience using teleport/slowjam SVs, I'll put some map links here to say, I also like using those effects.
link 1 link 2 link 3 link 4 link 5 link 6

If you disagree with about my opinions feel free to ask me here or in-game.
Sorry for rejecting again, and thanks for supporting my map Ryu Dragon Life?! :)
-mint-
646 posts
Joined September 2016
-mint-
This is a pretty good map, I just have a small concern regarding the spikes in Emotional Drift.

Switching the BPM to 250, you can see the spikes are pretty clear (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9457553)

Upon further investigation, the first and second pink bars are jump-heavy dense 125bpm 1/8 snap handstreams which equates to 250bpm 1/4 snap. To put this into perspective, this is slightly harder than Celestial stinger with less dense patterns at 259bpm. However, comparing the spikes to the rest of the map - 125bpm 1/4snap jacks (perspective: Swampgator at 126bpm), with similar layering. In my opinion, the jacks in this map are much easier than the handstreams. The remainder of the map is single 250bpm stream with long LN - clearly a lot easier than the handstreams. I see that you are definitely keeping the overall difficulty of the map as smooth as possible (and here I'll just note that the difficulty is definitely not reflected in the Star Rating but lol who cares) but I think that the sudden handstream spike was way out of place, and my biggest concern - it calls for mash

Now I understand that the only alternative to maintain similar layering is changing these to jumptrills which is probably a big no-no for you (because if it wasn't you'd've already done so), but I do suggest trying some other pattern.

Note : This is just my opinion - If this wasn't helpful, always remember that you don't have to give kudosu
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

qqqant wrote:

This is a pretty good map, I just have a small concern regarding the spikes in Emotional Drift.

Switching the BPM to 250, you can see the spikes are pretty clear (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9457553)

Upon further investigation, the first and second pink bars are jump-heavy dense 125bpm 1/8 snap handstreams which equates to 250bpm 1/4 snap. To put this into perspective, this is slightly harder than Celestial stinger with less dense patterns at 259bpm. However, comparing the spikes to the rest of the map - 125bpm 1/4snap jacks (perspective: Swampgator at 126bpm), with similar layering. In my opinion, the jacks in this map are much easier than the handstreams. The remainder of the map is single 250bpm stream with long LN - clearly a lot easier than the handstreams. I see that you are definitely keeping the overall difficulty of the map as smooth as possible (and here I'll just note that the difficulty is definitely not reflected in the Star Rating but lol who cares) but I think that the sudden handstream spike was way out of place, and my biggest concern - it calls for mash

Now I understand that the only alternative to maintain similar layering is changing these to jumptrills which is probably a big no-no for you (because if it wasn't you'd've already done so), but I do suggest trying some other pattern.

Note : This is just my opinion - If this wasn't helpful, always remember that you don't have to give kudosu
Valid opinion. I'll keep in mind. Thanks for help qqq :)
Ryu Sei
2,879 posts
Joined October 2013
Ryu Sei
Not going to bump this topic, but final opinion:

Otakujanai wrote:

1) Light users don't have much experience in the field of SVs and most of them usually don't like it, which also mean they don't need extra effects.
They usually play lightly just to enjoy music, so SVs could bother them while playing.
And that's why it's possible (and maybe good thing?) to make 'boss' easy/normal diff (let's call easy map but with spice of SV). o wo)"!
The reason why easy players didn't want to progress is because they felt such a struggling gimmick (simply called notes which speeds up/slows down) while playing harder maps (per my own experience) ene)"
Isn't that a good idea to introduce it? 'w')

Otakujanai wrote:

If you disagree with about my opinions feel free to ask me here or in-game.
Sorry for rejecting again, and thanks for supporting my map Ryu Dragon Life?! :)
You can call me with any name but doragon life

Looking forward for it! owo)
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

Ryu Sei wrote:

Not going to bump this topic, but final opinion:

Otakujanai wrote:

1) Light users don't have much experience in the field of SVs and most of them usually don't like it, which also mean they don't need extra effects.
They usually play lightly just to enjoy music, so SVs could bother them while playing.
And that's why it's possible (and maybe good thing?) to make 'boss' easy/normal diff (let's call easy map but with spice of SV). o wo)"!
The reason why easy players didn't want to progress is because they felt such a struggling gimmick (simply called notes which speeds up/slows down) while playing harder maps (per my own experience) ene)"
Isn't that a good idea to introduce it? 'w')

Otakujanai wrote:

If you disagree with about my opinions feel free to ask me here or in-game.
Sorry for rejecting again, and thanks for supporting my map Ryu Dragon Life?! :)
You can call me with any name but doragon life

Looking forward for it! owo)
OKay I'll ask to BN about it during ranking process. If he/she says it's fine then I'll make it right away!
riunosk
1,116 posts
Joined January 2015
riunosk

Otakujanai wrote:

imo anchors are not always bad. They make players feel the main beat of the song. So since this hard diff's stream part is way easier than it's star rating, i'm pretty sure that using bit long anchors (up to 5 or 6) are okay.
i generally try to understand the reasoning behind the anchors whenever i see them so sometimes i might miss the reasoning and say its an unnecessary one, but i'll try my best to see if any anchors i see in the future for any map is justified
thanks for opinion, benefitted from it
-mint-
646 posts
Joined September 2016
-mint-
I guess u have to update the background too
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

qqqant wrote:

I guess u have to update the background too
intentionally not updating
just fixed as you wish
NishiwakiAyaka
22 posts
Joined October 2016
NishiwakiAyaka
Hello man!
Modding Request for my queue

Last0Pia
00:07:725 (7725|3) - Remove it, cause not covered
00:15:165 (15165|3) - Adding to 1 slider in the 4th column
00:30:765 (30765|1,31245|2,31725|3) - My suggest, it's better to use 1 slide only
01:20:205 (80205|3,84045|2,87885|0,91725|1) - can you adding to Slider, please?

HaRd
00:40:125 (40125|1) - Remove it
01:20:205 (80205|0,84045|3,87885|0,91725|2) - Adding some LN
00:57:885 (57885|1,57965|2,58045|3) - Can you adding some SV?
02:31:965 (151965|2,152045|1,152125|0) - ^

That's a few modding request from me. if there are some errors, please forgive

#NishA
NishiwakiAyaka
22 posts
Joined October 2016
NishiwakiAyaka
Hello man!
Modding Request for my queue

Last0Pia
00:07:725 (7725|3) - Remove it, cause not covered
00:15:165 (15165|3) - Adding to 1 slider in the 4th column
00:30:765 (30765|1,31245|2,31725|3) - My suggest, it's better to use 1 slide only
01:20:205 (80205|3,84045|2,87885|0,91725|1) - can you adding to Slider, please?

HaRd
00:40:125 (40125|1) - Remove it
01:20:205 (80205|0,84045|3,87885|0,91725|2) - Adding some LN
00:57:885 (57885|1,57965|2,58045|3) - Can you adding some SV?
02:31:965 (151965|2,152045|1,152125|0) - ^

That's a few modding request from me. if there are some errors, please forgive

#NishA
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

NishiwakiAyaka wrote:

Hello man!
Modding Request for my queue

Umm... did I ever requested a mod to you? Still, random suggestions are great for me tho.
And I tried to find your modding queue but there does not exist such a queue.

Last0Pia
00:07:725 (7725|3) - Remove it, cause not covered
00:15:165 (15165|3) - Adding to 1 slider in the 4th column
00:30:765 (30765|1,31245|2,31725|3) - My suggest, it's better to use 1 slide only
01:20:205 (80205|3,84045|2,87885|0,91725|1) - can you adding to Slider, please?

I'm sorry, but Normal is remapped recently so wasn't able to apply your mods.

HaRd
00:40:125 (40125|1) - Remove it By what reason? There exist clear sound.
01:20:205 (80205|0,84045|3,87885|0,91725|2) - Adding some LN I think it's quite clear that I intentionally didn't use LNs there.
00:57:885 (57885|1,57965|2,58045|3) - Can you adding some SV? Didn't want to add SVs for distinct/repetitive sounds in hard diff. I actually did in the last diff.
02:31:965 (151965|2,152045|1,152125|0) - ^

That's a few modding request from me. if there are some errors, please forgive

#NishA
Thanks for giving some interest to my map.
Hope you don't feel sad for your mods being rejected because this chart was already 99% finished when you posted your mod.
Garalulu
933 posts
Joined March 2011
Garalulu
owo

동일한 이슈를 가지고 있는 부분은 적지 않았습니다.



[Lastopia's Advanced]
  1. 00:13:485 (13485|2) - 드럼을 강조하기 위해 00:14:445 (14445|2,14685|2,14925|1,15165|1) - 와 같이 00:13:725 - 와 같은
    col로 옮겨주심이 더 좋아보입니다. 00:13:245 (13245|2) - 같은 경우는 단순 멜로디이기 때문에 그냥 두셔도 괜찮습니다.
  2. 00:25:485 (25485|2,25725|2,25965|2) - 두 개씩 같은 col에 배치되어 있는 이전 패턴과 달리 이 부분에서는 3개가 연속적으로 같은 col에 존재합니다. 00:24:525 - 00:25:965 - 와 00:26:445 - 00:28:365 - 의 서로 다른 컨셉을 이어주는 패턴이 되었으면 좋겠네요.
    00:25:965 (25965|2) - 를 col 2, 00:26:205 (26205|1) - 를 col 3으로 옮겨주면 00:25:725 (25725|1,25965|1) - 모양이 이전 컨셉을 이어주고 12 34 형태 패턴이 이후 컨셉을 잘 이어준다고 생각합니다.
  3. 00:28:125 - 00:28:365 - 이전과 달리 단순한 드럼이 아닌 드르륵 소리가 나기 때문에 롱놋으로 표현해주면 이뻐보입니다.
  4. 00:34:125 - 00:34:605 - 멜로디를 희생하고 1/2에 노트 하나만 둘 이유가 있나요? 00:35:085 - 00:36:045 - 에서처럼 멜로디를 표현해 주세요.
    아니면 02:08:205 - 02:09:165 - 처럼 롱놋을 활용해 주세요.
  5. 00:38:925 (38925|3) - 롱놋을 1/2 사이즈로 길게 두는 것 보단 이전과 같이 1/4에 멜로디로 노트를 넣는게 더 일관성 있고, 굳이 1/8 사운드를 위해 노트를 희생할 필요는 없다고 봅니다.
  6. 00:39:885 - 00:40:845 - 이 부분과 00:47:565 - 00:48:525 - 는 상당히 비슷한 느낌의 진행이니 롱놋을 좀 더 활용해주세요. 00:34:125 - 00:35:085 - 와 같은 경우는 멜로디 진행을 강조하는 방향으로 나아가면 롱놋을 굳이 넣을 필요는 없습니다.
  7. 02:15:645 - 이전 키아이에서는 00:41:565 - 에 롱놋을 한 개만 두었으니 일관성을 맞춰야 합니다.
  8. 02:16:365 (136365|1,136605|1) - 같은 col에 위치하면 오히려 멜로디의 느낌을 방해한다고 생각합니다.
  9. 02:22:605 - 02:23:565 - 이전 키아이와 같은 노트 구성을 이용해주세요.
  10. 02:24:885 (144885|1) - 전 파트인 00:50:805 - 에서는 노트를 두지 않은 부분입니다.
  11. 02:36:285 - 전 파트에선 노트 한 개로 표현된 부분입니다.

    전체적으로 일관성에 초점을 두어 다시 검토해 볼 필요가 있습니다.
[Hard]
  1. 00:03:405 - 노트량 조절이 필요합니다. 00:01:485 - 나 00:09:165 - 같은 경우는 드럼이 추가되었으므로 이 부분보다 더 강조되어야 하지만 동일한 양의 노트 구조를 볼 수 있습니다. 노트를 한 개 줄이는 게 바람직합니다.
  2. 00:18:765 - 00:24:525 - 전체적인 1/4에 노트를 두는 것 보단 00:20:445 - 00:20:685 - 와 같은 두 부분에만 드럼을 강조해 노트를 두는게 하위 난이도와의 밸런스가 잘 맞다고 생각합니다.
  3. 00:58:485 - 이전 파트 00:50:805 - 와 달리 노트 2개인 이유가 있나요?
[Fontes' Insane]
  1. 00:31:725 - 00:32:205 - 점프트릴 할 정도로 강한 사운드는 아니라고 생각합니다. 그 전에 비해 사운드가 추가되었다는 느낌도 없구요. 너프해야 할 필요가 있습니다.
  2. 00:35:925 - 강한 멜로디 구조니 00:35:805 - 처럼 더블로 강조하는 건 어떤가요? 00:39:765 - 와 동일한 구조로 표현하기엔 살짝 아쉽네요.
  3. 00:39:105 - 다른 난이도처럼 이 사운드를 살려도 좋아보입니다.
  4. 01:42:885 - 같은 col에 두어야 할 특별한 이유는 없네요.
[Emotional Drift]
  1. 00:49:965 - 여기서 더블로 표현되었는데 00:53:805 - 여기서는 싱글이네요. 동일한 다른 구조에서도 전부 노트 1개로만 이루어져 있으니 확인 후 수정 바랍니다.
  2. 01:35:565 - 3연타보단 01:37:485 - 처럼 4연타로 표현하는게 보기 좋네요.
  3. 01:36:525 - 01:37:005 - 3연타를 이용할 만한 느낌은 아닙니다. 게다가 구조상으로도 01:42:285 - 01:42:765 - 와 별반 다른 느낌을 얻지 못했습니다. 수정해야 할 필요가 있습니다.
  4. 01:46:965 - 이전 파트인 01:43:125 - 와 다르게 노트 한 개 더 추가할 구성인지는 살짝 의문이 듭니다.

반복된 구성에 안정적인 패턴 구조가 인상적입니다.
Dreamwalker
185 posts
Joined September 2016
Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

Garalulu wrote:

owo

동일한 이슈를 가지고 있는 부분은 적지 않았습니다.

[Hard]
  1. 00:03:405 - 노트량 조절이 필요합니다. 00:01:485 - 나 00:09:165 - 같은 경우는 드럼이 추가되었으므로 이 부분보다 더 강조되어야 하지만 동일한 양의 노트 구조를 볼 수 있습니다. 노트를 한 개 줄이는 게 바람직합니다. 네
  2. 00:18:765 - 00:24:525 - 전체적인 1/4에 노트를 두는 것 보단 00:20:445 - 00:20:685 - 와 같은 두 부분에만 드럼을 강조해 노트를 두는게 하위 난이도와의 밸런스가 잘 맞다고 생각합니다.

    00:30:165 - 까지 느낌이 잘 살지 않는듯해 패턴 변경하였으니 확인 부탁드립니다.

  3. 00:58:485 - 이전 파트 00:50:805 - 와 달리 노트 2개인 이유가 있나요? 수정했습니다
[Emotional Drift]
  1. 00:49:965 - 여기서 더블로 표현되었는데 00:53:805 - 여기서는 싱글이네요. 동일한 다른 구조에서도 전부 노트 1개로만 이루어져 있으니 확인 후 수정 바랍니다. 수정했습니다
  2. 01:35:565 - 3연타보단 01:37:485 - 처럼 4연타로 표현하는게 보기 좋네요. 네
  3. 01:36:525 - 01:37:005 - 3연타를 이용할 만한 느낌은 아닙니다. 게다가 구조상으로도 01:42:285 - 01:42:765 - 와 별반 다른 느낌을 얻지 못했습니다. 수정해야 할 필요가 있습니다. 단순히 01:36:645 (96645|0,96765|0,96885|0) - 이 음들의 pitch를 맞춘것입니다
  4. 01:46:965 - 이전 파트인 01:43:125 - 와 다르게 노트 한 개 더 추가할 구성인지는 살짝 의문이 듭니다.

    =>전체적으로 01:35:565 - 부터 01:50:925 - 까지는 소리가 비교적 애매한 transition구간이기에 메인 멜로디가 되는 소리들에만 노트를 하나씩 넣었습니다. 01:43:245 - 부터는 분위기가 약간 강해진 느낌이 나서 이전구간과 비교하였을때 01:43:245 - 와 01:44:205 - 처럼 1/2마디마다 들리는 약간 드럼소리에 노트를 하나씩 더 줬고 01:35:565 - 는 예외적으로 노트 하나를 더 줬습니다.
    들어보셨으니 아시겠지만 01:43:125 - 에는 멜로디가 없고 01:46:965 - 에는 이전음과 같은 pitch의 소리가 있습니다.
    pitch를 같게하기위해 01:46:965 (106965|3) - col 3->4로 변경했습니다.

반복된 구성에 안정적인 패턴 구조가 인상적입니다.
체크 감사합니다 :)
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where's ez diff xd
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Lastopia

Garalulu wrote:

owo =w=

동일한 이슈를 가지고 있는 부분은 적지 않았습니다.



[Lastopia's Advanced]
  1. 00:13:485 (13485|2) - 드럼을 강조하기 위해 00:14:445 (14445|2,14685|2,14925|1,15165|1) - 와 같이 00:13:725 - 와 같은
    col로 옮겨주심이 더 좋아보입니다. 00:13:245 (13245|2) - 같은 경우는 단순 멜로디이기 때문에 그냥 두셔도 괜찮습니다. 2 col로 옮겨주었습니다.
  2. 00:25:485 (25485|2,25725|2,25965|2) - 두 개씩 같은 col에 배치되어 있는 이전 패턴과 달리 이 부분에서는 3개가 연속적으로 같은 col에 존재합니다. 00:24:525 - 00:25:965 - 와 00:26:445 - 00:28:365 - 의 서로 다른 컨셉을 이어주는 패턴이 되었으면 좋겠네요.
    00:25:965 (25965|2) - 를 col 2, 00:26:205 (26205|1) - 를 col 3으로 옮겨주면 00:25:725 (25725|1,25965|1) - 모양이 이전 컨셉을 이어주고 12 34 형태 패턴이 이후 컨셉을 잘 이어준다고 생각합니다. 패턴 변경하였습니다.
  3. 00:28:125 - 00:28:365 - 이전과 달리 단순한 드럼이 아닌 드르륵 소리가 나기 때문에 롱놋으로 표현해주면 이뻐보입니다. 롱놋으로 변경하였습니다 의견 감사합니다!
  4. 00:34:125 - 00:34:605 - 멜로디를 희생하고 1/2에 노트 하나만 둘 이유가 있나요? 00:35:085 - 00:36:045 - 에서처럼 멜로디를 표현해 주세요.
    아니면 02:08:205 - 02:09:165 - 처럼 롱놋을 활용해 주세요. 전체적으로 롱놋으로 바꾸어주었습니다.
  5. 00:38:925 (38925|3) - 롱놋을 1/2 사이즈로 길게 두는 것 보단 이전과 같이 1/4에 멜로디로 노트를 넣는게 더 일관성 있고, 굳이 1/8 사운드를 위해 노트를 희생할 필요는 없다고 봅니다. 말씀해주신 의견과는 다르게 변경하였습니다. 확인 부탁드립니다.
  6. 00:39:885 - 00:40:845 - 이 부분과 00:47:565 - 00:48:525 - 는 상당히 비슷한 느낌의 진행이니 롱놋을 좀 더 활용해주세요. 00:34:125 - 00:35:085 - 와 같은 경우는 멜로디 진행을 강조하는 방향으로 나아가면 롱놋을 굳이 넣을 필요는 없습니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
  7. 02:15:645 - 이전 키아이에서는 00:41:565 - 에 롱놋을 한 개만 두었으니 일관성을 맞춰야 합니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
  8. 02:16:365 (136365|1,136605|1) - 같은 col에 위치하면 오히려 멜로디의 느낌을 방해한다고 생각합니다. 4 col로 옮겨주었습니다.
  9. 02:22:605 - 02:23:565 - 이전 키아이와 같은 노트 구성을 이용해주세요. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
  10. 02:24:885 (144885|1) - 전 파트인 00:50:805 - 에서는 노트를 두지 않은 부분입니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
  11. 02:36:285 - 전 파트에선 노트 한 개로 표현된 부분입니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.

    전체적으로 일관성에 초점을 두어 다시 검토해 볼 필요가 있습니다. 많이 실수했었네요 =w=

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Fontes
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Fontes

Garalulu wrote:

owo

[Fontes' Insane]
  1. 00:31:725 - 00:32:205 - 점프트릴 할 정도로 강한 사운드는 아니라고 생각합니다. 그 전에 비해 사운드가 추가되었다는 느낌도 없구요. 너프해야 할 필요가 있습니다.
    이대로 가도 상관없다고 생각함. 그리고 밑에 2놋이 잘못끼워져 있어서 위화감이 더 컸다고 생각함. 수정완
  2. 00:35:925 - 강한 멜로디 구조니 00:35:805 - 처럼 더블로 강조하는 건 어떤가요? 00:39:765 - 와 동일한 구조로 표현하기엔 살짝 아쉽네요.
    강조하고싶었는데 난이도를 고려해서 잭흐름을 부드럽게 하고싶엇음. 그래서 치기어려운부분은 걸러낸 예.
  3. 00:39:105 - 다른 난이도처럼 이 사운드를 살려도 좋아보입니다.
    수정완
  4. 01:42:885 - 같은 col에 두어야 할 특별한 이유는 없네요.
    수정완

반복된 구성에 안정적인 패턴 구조가 인상적입니다.

riunosk wrote:

helo
from queue 1234

foNtessssS
00:39:060 - missing note?
00:46:740 - ^
fixed.
Great chart with very minor issues
Sorry, i didn realize got mod since i made qwq

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irc with dreamwalker
21:41 Dreamwalker: 안녕하세요~
21:41 Garalulu: hoi
21:42 Dreamwalker: 맵 다고쳤습니다 ㅎㅎ
21:45 Garalulu: 넹 확인할게염
21:51 Dreamwalker: 저 혹시
21:51 Dreamwalker: 퐁테님난도에
21:51 Dreamwalker: 00:32:205 - 여기에 0.01x 들어가있는데
21:51 Dreamwalker: 제가알기로는 0.01부터 0.09까지 수치는 구현 안돼있는거로 알고있는데
21:51 Dreamwalker: 랭크에는 상관이 없나요?
21:52 Garalulu: 클라이언트 버그 때문에 구현이 안된거라 상관없을거에요
21:52 Garalulu: 레이저때는 적용될거같네요
21:53 Dreamwalker: 아 그러면 오히려 레이저때 변속 더 보기 안좋아질텐데..
21:53 Dreamwalker: 일단 퐁테님께 다시 여쭤볼게요
21:54 Garalulu: 넵
21:55 Dreamwalker: 00:32:205 - 랑 02:06:285 - 에 있는 0.01x 둘다 0.10x로 바꿨습니다
22:05 Dreamwalker: 막난에서 02:37:725 (157725|1) - 여기 노트하나 더 들어가있어서 빼겠습니다
22:09 Garalulu: 00:30:285 - 00:32:205 - 하드에서 여기 파트가 그 전 난이도랑 갭이 상당한데, 하위 난이도에서 1/2마다 노트를 추가하는 편이 밸런스가 조절될 것 같네요
22:09 Garalulu: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10618393
22:11 Dreamwalker: 네
22:13 Dreamwalker: 업로드했습니다
22:27 Garalulu: 라토님 모딩 체크한걸 확인했는데
22:27 Dreamwalker: 네
22:27 Garalulu: 00:13:485 (13485|1) - 이 부분을 옮겨주었다고 쓰시고 실제로는 적용이 안되어있네요
22:28 Garalulu: 만약 받으셨다면 col1로 옮기는게 좋겠네요
22:29 Dreamwalker: 넵
22:29 Dreamwalker: 고쳤습니다
22:29 Dreamwalker: 제가 같이 봤었는데
22:29 Dreamwalker: 고친다고해놓고 안고쳐놨나보네요
22:29 Garalulu: u w u
22:29 Dreamwalker: 다시한번 훑어볼게요
22:29 Garalulu: 넹
22:29 Garalulu: 업뎃하시구 마지막으로 의문 가는 점 물어보세욤
22:36 Dreamwalker: 넵
22:36 Dreamwalker: 확인 다 했습니다
22:36 Dreamwalker: 맵에는 딱히 뭐
22:36 Dreamwalker: 여쭤볼거는 없는것같네요
22:36 Garalulu: good
22:36 Dreamwalker: 버블받게되면 바로 다음 븐첵 받으면 되나요?
22:36 Garalulu: 네
22:36 Dreamwalker: 그렇군요
irc with fontes
21:46 Garalulu: ㅙㅑ
21:46 Garalulu: jpo
21:46 Garalulu: hoi
21:46 Fontes: ㅑㅐㅗ
21:46 Fontes: opj
21:46 Fontes: ioh
21:46 Garalulu: 다른 너프 방안을 생각해봤습니다
21:46 Garalulu: 00:24:525 -
21:46 Garalulu: 시간 있으십니까
21:47 Fontes: 이미 업로드햇는디
21:47 Fontes: 어떤거?
21:47 *Garalulu is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1315763 Kontinuum - Lost (feat. Savoi) [Sunroof Remix] [Fontes' Insane]]
21:47 Fontes: 링크에 가있음
21:47 Garalulu: 여기서부터 음악이 고조되면서
21:48 Garalulu: 1/2마다 3놋을 넣으셨잖아요
21:48 Fontes: ㅇㅇ
21:48 Garalulu: 00:28:365 - 그러니 여기서부터 1/1마다 강한 드럼 소리에 노트 3개 둬도 ㄱㅊ다고 생각
21:48 Garalulu: 00:31:725 - 이거를 희생하면서
21:49 Fontes: 그렇게해도
21:49 Garalulu: 대신 이제 3 2 2 니깐 패턴 구조를 쉽게 해야합니다
21:49 Fontes: 별 안올라
21:49 Garalulu: 그렇게 하면 4.11
21:49 Garalulu: 됨
21:49 Garalulu: 00:32:205 - 여기엔 3놋
21:49 Garalulu: 마지막 쾅 이니깐
21:50 Fontes: 근데 저기
21:50 Fontes: 1/1 이 아니라 쿵소리는 흰선에만있는디
21:50 Garalulu: 그게 1/1
21:51 Fontes: 흠
21:51 Garalulu: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10618277
21:51 Garalulu: 버스트 대안 방안
21:51 Fontes: 근데 이대로도 나쁘지않은데
21:51 Fontes: 그거는 퀄파때 함 고려해보면안될까 퀄파애가 어케잡는지함보고
21:52 Fontes: 그리고 저 끝부분은 봣는데
21:52 Fontes: 어케해도 내맘에 안들더라고
21:52 Fontes: 일단 로로말 기억해둿다가 수정한번 다시할게
21:53 Fontes: 사실 3놋 넣으라는 거기도 일자 잭이였다가 배치 바꾼거였거든
21:54 Garalulu: 아무리 생각해도 점프트릴은 아님
21:54 Garalulu: 00:31:245 (31245|3,31305|2) - 그리구 이거
21:55 Garalulu: 00:31:125 (31125|3,31245|3) - 이거만 간격이 1/4니깐 약간 어색하네요
21:55 Garalulu: 두개 자리 바꾸는게 나을듯
21:55 Garalulu: ctrl+J
21:56 Fontes: 무슨말인지모르겟는데
21:56 Fontes: 업데이트된걸로 말하는거임?
21:56 Garalulu: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10618310
21:56 Garalulu: 원래 이렇게 생겼잖아요
21:56 Fontes: ㅇㅇ
21:57 Garalulu: 스트림 구조를 볼 때
21:57 Garalulu: 00:30:285 - 00:32:205 - 에서
21:57 Fontes: 음.. 치기편한걸로햇는데 뭐 알앗엉
21:57 Garalulu: 다른 부분은 같은 col에 다시 등장하는 최소 스냅 간격이 1/8 기준 3칸인데 저기 혼자 2칸입니다
21:57 Garalulu: 이게 오히려 더 불편할걸요
21:58 Fontes: 다른건없어?
21:59 Garalulu: 00:37:845 - 여기 잭의 불편함 때문에 넣지 않으셨는데
21:59 Garalulu: 00:57:885 - 그렇다고 하면 오히려 여기가 더 불편한 파트 아닌가요
22:00 Garalulu: 맵셋 전체적으로 난이도를 보았을때 추가해도 상관없을 것 같네요
22:00 Fontes: 저건 1놋인디
22:00 Fontes: 원래 아주 예전에
22:00 Fontes: 저기 1놋더 넣긴했엇는데
22:00 Fontes: 다음께 변속들어간 롱놋이라
22:00 Fontes: 좀 삐걱이는느낌같아서 뺏거든
22:01 Garalulu: 00:35:925 - 만약 여기에 추가한다 해도 1/4 간격이고, col 1에 넣으면 겹치는 부분은 롱놋 하나 뿐이라서 별 문제 없어 보이는데
22:01 Garalulu: 일단 알것슴니다
22:01 Fontes: ㅇㅇ
22:02 Fontes: 끄읏?
22:03 Garalulu: 끄읏
22:03 Fontes: 수공수공
22:03 Fontes: 고생했어
22:03 Fontes: 잘생긴 로로쨩
22:04 Fontes: 02:05:325 (125325|0,125385|1) -
22:04 Fontes: 에고
22:04 Fontes: 오스 레이팅시스템은
22:04 Fontes: 구데기야
22:10 Garalulu: 아그리고
22:10 Garalulu: 0.01배 0.1로 바꿨나요
22:10 Fontes: ㅇㅇ 얘기했어
22:11 Garalulu: 그라믄 00:33:165 - 이후 등장하는 첫 변속 여기도 0.1배니깐
22:11 Garalulu: 여기 변속을 지워야해요
22:11 Fontes: 아마
22:11 Fontes: 업뎃할때 저분이 잘 처리할껄
22:11 Garalulu: ㅋㅋㅋ
22:11 Garalulu: 아 또 봐야하자나
22:11 Fontes: 본인이 말하더라구
22:12 Fontes: 0.01이랑 0.1같은디
22:12 Fontes: 왜 굳이 절케햇냐해서
22:12 Fontes: 작은거니까 본인이 수정해주겠다고하더라구

@next BN : still have concern with 00:31:725 - 00:32:205 - / 02:05:805 - 02:06:285 - at fontes' diff, wanna hear your discussion about it :3
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just come here to help a little ^

00:31:485 - I think for Fontes' Insane at reduce is closer to Emotional Drift diff and more rather far from Hard diff | And to 02:05:805 - I think it can be applied too, as I explained in 00:31:485 - :'D

00:31:485 -
with Hard



with Emotional Drift



edit : that is make SR problem, oops
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quit w with the offset being 40ms too late
or do i have the wrong audio?
DDMythical
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Dreamwalker
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Topic Starter
Dreamwalker
Writing this to clarify my intentions about 00:30:285 - and 02:04:365 - (plus to make sure no drama or related stuff happen)

So, as I already explained to DDMythical in-game, my first patterns were constant [12][34] through the whole section.
But to make it a bit more challenging while having high consistency, I made it like 3-1-2-2-2-2-2-1-3-1-2-2-2-2-2-1... and so on
like bubbled version below.

Version 1

However, yes I knew some people would feel a bit disappointed by those density spikes.
So after some talks with DDM, I tried to make patterns as he suggested that is based on [2][3][2][3] trills while having density increase, like below. (And he agreed with the fact that given example of posted version was a bit too easy)

Version 2

(sorry if I didn't get it right @DDM)

Taking "Japanese Transformation" as an example, I would say using [2][34][2][34] or [12][34][12][34] style of layering could work perfectly fine with other parts of the music since the patterns are constantly dense over the whole map. However due to the nature of this song, we actually have the musically rising, or maybe we could say it as 'spiky' sections.

So what I thought about this was, we should focus more on the difficulty curve, not the density itself. Some might say version 2 patterns have a bit more reasonable density curve and I partially agree with that. Comparing with version 1 patterns, by making this part a bit less constant we can make the smoother density curve, and of course, I once have thought this might be a solution before. I would've made this part's pattern more fun if this wasn't going for ranked, however, the difficulty for that part is similar or some said it's even a lot harder than version 1, which is not the essential solution. (got those opinions by testplays) So I ended up with making a bit nerfed version of version 1 patterns here, like below.

Version 3


I know somewhat jumptrilly patterns of version 3 are less fun than patterns like version 2. However for me, it seems more reasonable since the difficulty isn't that far from sections through 00:28:125 - to 00:30:285 - , which is musically a bit more correct in my sight.


So this is how far I thought about this section. I would say I might change patterns to version 3 before this map gets heart icon, but since version 1 patterns are the polished patterns by juankristal (and maybe with Pope Gadget too) during the semi-final mappool selection of 2017MWC4K, which could still work fine for my sight. Please let me know if anyone has a better solution for this. I'll check it thoroughly so don't worry. :oops:
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Dreamwalker wrote:

Writing this to clarify my intentions about 00:30:285 - and 02:04:365 - (plus to make sure no drama or related stuff happen)

So, as I already explained to DDMythical in-game, my first patterns were constant [12][34] through the whole section.
But to make it a bit more challenging while having high consistency, I made it like 3-1-2-2-2-2-2-1-3-1-2-2-2-2-2-1... and so on
like bubbled version below.

Version 1

However, yes I knew some people would feel a bit disappointed by those density spikes.
So after some talks with DDM, I tried to make patterns as he suggested that is based on [2][3][2][3] trills while having density increase, like below. (And he agreed with the fact that given example of posted version was a bit too easy)

Version 2

(sorry if I didn't get it right @DDM)

Taking "Japanese Transformation" as an example, I would say using [2][34][2][34] or [12][34][12][34] style of layering could work perfectly fine with other parts of the music since the patterns are constantly dense over the whole map. However due to the nature of this song, we actually have the musically rising, or maybe we could say it as 'spiky' sections.

So what I thought about this was, we should focus more on the difficulty curve, not the density itself. Some might say version 2 patterns have a bit more reasonable density curve and I partially agree with that. Comparing with version 1 patterns, by making this part a bit less constant we can make the smoother density curve, and of course, I once have thought this might be a solution before. I would've made this part's pattern more fun if this wasn't going for ranked, however, the difficulty for that part is similar or some said it's even a lot harder than version 1, which is not the essential solution. (got those opinions by testplays) So I ended up with making a bit nerfed version of version 1 patterns here, like below.

Version 3


I know somewhat jumptrilly patterns of version 3 are less fun than patterns like version 2. However for me, it seems more reasonable since the difficulty isn't that far from sections through 00:28:125 - to 00:30:285 - , which is musically a bit more correct in my sight.


So this is how far I thought about this section. I would say I might change patterns to version 3 before this map gets heart icon, but since version 1 patterns are the polished patterns by juankristal (and maybe with Pope Gadget too) during the semi-final mappool selection of 2017MWC4K, which could still work fine for my sight. Please let me know if anyone has a better solution for this. I'll check it thoroughly so don't worry. :oops:
UWU this is the good stuff
Kawawa
Kawawa
패턴은 개인차에 따라 다르겠지만 제 기준으로는 전혀 건드릴 필요없다고 생각하네요
그래서 약간 걸리는 점과 실수로 보이는 부분만을 적었습니다

[Normal]
02:31:245 - 롱놋 길이가 의도 된지는 모르나 실수로 판단되네요.
의도하던 사운드는 02:31:965 - 여기서부터 시작하며 동일한 파트로는 아래 00:57:885 (57885|2) - 이거와 비교하시면 될 듯 해요.
다른 난이도와 비교해서도 참고 할 수 있습니다.

[Lastopia's Advanced]
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[Standard]
00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 - 저는 여기가 꽤 위험하다고 생각하는 부분이에요.
게스트 난이도이기 이전에 이전 난이도(Advanced)에서는 1/1을 유지했고 여기서는 파격적으로 1/4의 리듬으로 건너 뛰어졌기 때문에
여기서 갭을 좀 낮출 필요가 있다고 생각합니다(디퀄 사유의 예 : 난이도간 급격한 밀도 변화) 혹시 모르니 피드백
00:24:525 - 여기부터는 괜찮다고 생각하므로 변경 하실 필요가 없습니다
(Must가 아니라 제 기준에서는 Should 이기 때문에 선택은 자유, 고민 되시면 추가적으로 논의 해볼 수 있으니 아무데나 피엠 주세욥)

01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 위와 동일.

[Fontes' Insane]
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[Emotional Drift]
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구성 되게 잘하셨습니다 8-)
4키에서 원기의 트리거 이후로 정말 오랜만에 독보적인 맵을 봤네요! 굿
Dreamwalker
185 posts
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Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

Kawawa wrote:

패턴은 개인차에 따라 다르겠지만 제 기준으로는 전혀 건드릴 필요없다고 생각하네요
그래서 약간 걸리는 점과 실수로 보이는 부분만을 적었습니다

[Normal]
02:31:245 - 롱놋 길이가 의도 된지는 모르나 실수로 판단되네요.
의도하던 사운드는 02:31:965 - 여기서부터 시작하며 동일한 파트로는 아래 00:57:885 (57885|2) - 이거와 비교하시면 될 듯 해요.
다른 난이도와 비교해서도 참고 할 수 있습니다.

수정했습니다

[Lastopia's Advanced]
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[Standard]
00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 - 저는 여기가 꽤 위험하다고 생각하는 부분이에요.
게스트 난이도이기 이전에 이전 난이도(Advanced)에서는 1/1을 유지했고 여기서는 파격적으로 1/4의 리듬으로 건너 뛰어졌기 때문에
여기서 갭을 좀 낮출 필요가 있다고 생각합니다(디퀄 사유의 예 : 난이도간 급격한 밀도 변화) 혹시 모르니 피드백
00:24:525 - 여기부터는 괜찮다고 생각하므로 변경 하실 필요가 없습니다
(Must가 아니라 제 기준에서는 Should 이기 때문에 선택은 자유, 고민 되시면 추가적으로 논의 해볼 수 있으니 아무데나 피엠 주세욥)

01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 위와 동일.

00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 - 는 나름대로 고쳤고 01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 는 안고치기로 했습니다.
의도적이지는 않았지만 다른 난이도에서는 01:35:565 - 부터 이어져오던 메인 멜로디가 fade out 되는부분을 무시했기에 여기서는 살려보고싶었네요.
바로 이전 파트와 비교했을때도 플로우도 더 자연스러운거같아서 냅뒀습니다.

힛사를 00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 -에서는 2놋-1놋-2놋-1놋 구간에서 1놋에도 스네어음 줬는데 01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 에서는 표현 요소가 멜로디라서 힛사 2놋 제외하고는 뺐습니다

[Fontes' Insane]
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[Emotional Drift]
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구성 되게 잘하셨습니다 8-)
4키에서 원기의 트리거 이후로 정말 오랜만에 독보적인 맵을 봤네요! 굿
감사합니다 :)
Kawawa
Kawawa
Gratz!!
Dreamwalker
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Dreamwalker
Thanks for all your support!!
Maxus
Nomination Assessment Team
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Maxus
Hello, Congrats for Qualify, but i think there's issue that needs to be adressed first here.

it's regarding LR_cymbalG which have around 5ms delay here: http://puu.sh/Aq166/2bfedd0203.png (truthfully, despite the different name, i think this has the same hitsound as the one at t/343963/start=90 ), you need to fix that first i think. Use http://puu.sh/Aq22H/51f46b2382.wav

And the hitnormal is kinda too quiet , try using the one i amplify here: http://puu.sh/Aq1T4/b042ef6eda.wav

Regardless, really nice map though, good luck!
Asherz007
Beatmap Nominator
687 posts
Joined September 2016
Asherz007
What Maxus said, essentially.

LR_CymbalG.wav has been known to cause a couple of issues regarding delays in the past, so that needs to be replaced.

Regarding the hitnormal, I'd strongly suggest using Maxus' replacement as well, since all notes do need some sort of audible feedback to the player. Otherwise, there is quite a large number of notes that essentially have no feedback at all.

There's also 02:05:325 (125325|1,125325|2,125385|0) in Fontes' diff where the hitsounds got a little muddled so you might want to fix that.
(Besides that you might want to check the use of storyboarded hitsounds in the lower difficulties because they can distract players if, for example, they miss and a sample they'd be used to hearing plays anyway.)

Let me know once the files have been replaced so I can double check stuff and get this back up and running again.
Dreamwalker
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Topic Starter
Dreamwalker
Thanks for checking Maxus and Asherz!
I'll fix it in a few hours :)



edit : fixed now :)
Asherz007
Beatmap Nominator
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Asherz007
wub wub

Hitsound samples have been replaced + minor fix, so good to go again it seems.
Evening
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Joined December 2012
Evening
Emotional Drift
02:28:845 (148845|1,149085|2) - 00:54:765 (54765|1,55005|1) - what's with these svs being 0.8x normalized

00:33:885 (33885|0,34125|0) - and why is this 0.7x

E: Sorry forgot to comment on why they should be fixed:
They look odd and stands out like an error instead of it being mapped to a special sound since literally every other SV is 1.0 normalized, and the sound here doesn't really feel like it justifies the usage

I would comment on the other SVs being not fitting to the instrumentals used but I'll be doing that in 5 days time (weekends) so I'll preferably not obstruct your ranking process if you're keen to rank it
Dreamwalker
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Topic Starter
Dreamwalker

Evening wrote:

Emotional Drift
02:28:845 (148845|1,149085|2) - 00:54:765 (54765|1,55005|1) - what's with these svs being 0.8x normalized

00:33:885 (33885|0,34125|0) - and why is this 0.7x

E: Sorry forgot to comment on why they should be fixed:
They look odd and stands out like an error instead of it being mapped to a special sound since literally every other SV is 1.0 normalized, and the sound here doesn't really feel like it justifies the usage

I would comment on the other SVs being not fitting to the instrumentals used but I'll be doing that in 5 days time (weekends) so I'll preferably not obstruct your ranking process if you're keen to rank it
From the day we talked in-game, I was thinking about your concern is a necessary thing to fix, or at least gives some changes in gameplay.
Sorry to say this but I eventually decided to reject your suggestion.
I saw replays and got some testplays from people and asked them about it, and found out those SVs doesn't affect gameplay much since people got max300 for the next notes. So I concluded that these SVs are not the forced ones to memorize timing of pressing keys while playing.

Also, I would say there still are some reasons for justifying its usage. Reason would be,
00:33:885 - this is the part where kiai section is starting, so giving a bit slower values could emphasize 00:34:125 - this sound. Also, it still feels like the extension of slowjams 00:32:235 - to 00:33:525 - , while separating drum section 00:33:525 - to 00:33:885 - by normalizing it to 1.0x, while giving similar effects of other drum sounds.
00:54:765 - although here and 01:02:445 - has the same sounds, this 0.8x and 1.0x difference between normalized values could help discriminate sounds between 00:55:005 - and 01:02:685 -
Also for these two parts, the time gap is quite big, so it'll be more about sightreading rather than pressing buttons by the distance between notes.

This map's SVs may not be satisfying your standard, but since I didn't make this map to be an SV map, I'll just keep it if changing values does not make many differences.
Thank you for giving your concerns to this map.
Protastic101
Elite Nominator
1,160 posts
Joined July 2015
Protastic101
Hello! Apologies about the last day disqualification as we have taken a day or two to mull this over before coming to our decision.

On behalf of the mania QAT, we are taking this map down because it forces patterns and concepts inappropriate for the song's relative difficulty which makes it unrealistically reflect the contents and nature of the song. I do not wish to throw the word "dump" around freely as I believe it tends to be taken as an insult to the mapper(s), but this is what this chart is, and I do not mean it in a rude way.

Previously, we have allowed semi-dumps to be ranked before and they have been widely regarded as some of the best maps mania has currently ranked. This though, goes beyond that, and goes from being challenging gimmicks and unique interpretations of a song through a chart to forced difficulty for the sake of making a hard map out of a relatively tranquil song. We believe it no longer reflects the song properly, and instead is inserting difficulty in awkward places which feels forced and unnatural.

Some examples of this from the top difficulty are as follows:
00:09:165 - to 00:11:085 - While not nearly as hard as other areas of the chart, we believe the majority of these to be ghost notes as they are played over indistinct sounds continuing from 00:08:565 - which are currently unacceptable unless for the sake of preserving flow, which in this case it is not believed to have this effect.
00:21:765 (21765|0,22245|3) - Similarly.
02:04:365 - ^

00:30:285 - As the song is 125 BPM, 1/8 streams and even jumpstreams can be considered fine for short periods of time due to the slow bpm, but we need to keep in mind that this is essentially a 250 BPM 1/4 dense handstream which leaves only 60 ms for players to read and properly hit notes. This alone boosts SR by 0.20* and is an unnecessary spike. A cleaner handstream with 1/4 jumps would be more closely centered to the general difficulty of the chart. A suggestion could be like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/11048440

00:34:125 - Accents at consistent intervals for sounds that do not change in volume or emphasis. The first half of each phrase (from 00:36:045 - to 00:37:005 - ) have a much lower note density, whereas the second half of the measure (from 00:37:005 - to 00:37:965 - ) have a large jump in density despite the fact that the song has clearer instruments that are more isolated and lighter in sound. A possible solution to this would be to reduce the chord sizes in the second half of each measure in order to reduce the jump in note density as we do understand that keeping a similar density would make the map truly awkward with the long notes to play.

00:39:885 - 00:49:485 - 00:51:405 - 00:53:325 - and so on. Yes, there have been other maps where we have allowed 1/8 bursts for bass growls, but they were not as smooth or clean as the sounds here. There is such a negligible amount of vibration or change within each of these synths to warrant these bursts that they are notes for non-existent alterations in the music. Especially combined with long notes which already do an excellent job of representing the long sounds and the SVs which accentuate the more hectic nature of this ending section, these notes almost become redundant. A proposed solution would be to use long notes for the 1/8 bursts instead, and use stronger SV stutters to represent the very slight variations in sound.


These are the main reasons why we are taking the map down. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask either me, Feerum, or Asherz007 for help. Most likely, I will be making a larger post later with more specifics of the issues we have so rest assured, these are not the only solutions available to you.
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