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pishifat wrote:

The lowest difficulty must be at least a Normal which complies with their respective mode’s difficulty-specific ranking criteria.
this refers to the new section proposed at the bottom of p/6054268 defining what is okay for a normal as a set's lowest difficulty. other modes will have a similar proposal if their diff-specific criteria doesn't already cover what's necessary

also, keep in mind that when this draft is amended, there will be 6 months of transition time for mappers to adapt to the changes
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Also, please, while we are working to change this stuff, can we address how arbitrary naming difficulties beyond "extra" is. Read my proposal here: p/5631273

TL:DR: Naming things "Extra", "Extreme", "Expert" is extreme arbitrary and does not quantify a real difference between difficulty as these terms are not objectively defined. These difficulties above "Extra" should be allowed free naming so long as its relevant towards the source.
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rip large sets, tho i guess bns really hate checking them
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Will it be fine to have a Normal difficulty which is above 2 stars now? As they're no star limits for the lowest difficulty, what would be the requirements to be accepted as a Normal and not labeled as an Advanced?

Is it possible to rank a map with a diff of 11 stars now? Just as it was aimed for be played as tag 4?
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What happens if your song is less than 30 seconds of drain time? By these new rules you wouldn't be able to extend it would you?
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pishifat wrote:

Avoid unicode characters in a difficulty’s name. These can cause errors with the beatmap submission system and problems for certain users when appearing in chat.[/list]
If this is really that problematic, make it a rule. It makes little sense to have it as a guideline when it actually can "break the game" for specific people and/or when submitting a mapset.
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I remember that Loctav was trying to do smth like this, but...

inb4 new pishi's video theme
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"One osu!catch difficulty may be included. It must be at least an Insane difficulty."

change it to "The lowest difficulty"
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pishifat wrote:

  1. Any two osu!taiko or osu!mania difficulties must be arranged in a reasonable spread. The lowest difficulty must be at least a Hard.
  2. One osu!catch difficulty may be included. It must be at least an Insane difficulty.
The phrasing for both of these is potentially confusing. At least a hard? Does that mean it has to be at least as easy as a hard or as difficult as a hard? Is it allowed to be easier or harder? I can't tell.
Same goes for the osu!catch rule, except with insane.
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HappyRocket88 wrote:

Will it be fine to have a Normal difficulty which is above 2 stars now? As they're no star limits for the lowest difficulty, what would be the requirements to be accepted as a Normal and not labeled as an Advanced?
p/6054268 the bottom of this thread covers that. star limit will no longer be a thing to worry about, so long as it fits within other boundaries

HappyRocket88 wrote:

Is it possible to rank a map with a diff of 11 stars now? Just as it was aimed for be played as tag 4?
tag 4 is so irrelevant now that we thought it wouldnt even be necessary to mention. they already break half the rules/guidelines on the standard-specific ranking criteria lol

Noffy wrote:

The phrasing for both of these is potentially confusing.
yeah, we'll probably go with xexxar's wording there, since it is much clearer + clarifying the difficulty levelthing
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pishifat wrote:

Mapsets cannot include more than 8 total difficulties of a single game-mode. The highest difficulty of a game-mode is not required to fit within a reasonable spread, so long as no levels of difficulty are skipped.
While I understand that this rule was put into place to avoid huge pointless spreads, I don't think this is a good idea. There are plenty of large sets where every difficulty is able to bring something new and show off it's own creative way to interpret a song. Part of something great about mapping is how differently same songs can be approached, and there are sets that are able to pull it off amazingly.

  1. Camellia - crystallized
  2. Kana Nishino - Sweet Dreams (11t dnb mix)
  3. Lite Show Magic (t+pazolite vs C-Show) - Crack Traxxxx
  4. M2U & NICODE feat. Guriri & Lucy - Myosotis
  5. GRANRODEO - Can Do (TV Size)


I'm not very good with wordings for this type of thing, but a change allowing large mapsets with difficulties having clear and distinct characteristics between them to get ranked, instead of samey insanes and extras, would be a good change to the proposed ranking criteria.

In addition,

pishifat wrote:

Songs/maps cannot be modified to reach the minimum drain time. Abusing the 5 minute limitation removes its intended purpose. Types of abuse include:
  1. Lowering a song’s BPM
  2. Looping portions of a song
  3. Adding sounds before/after a song begins/ends
  4. Extending spinners/sliders over inaudible sounds
  5. Manually removing breaks
What does this mean for songs compilation? Are those still allowed?
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not this difficulty limiting crap again
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pishifat wrote:

Single-mode mapsets must include a reasonable spread of at least two difficulties. The lowest difficulty must be at least a Normal which complies with their respective mode’s difficulty-specific ranking criteria.
So this suggest that the previous star rating limit at 2 is removed to something more lenient as long as it fits a Normal-level density right ?
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hi, uh here is something I guess ( focusing on the mania aspect of them, cause i have no clue how the others work tbh)

Songs/maps cannot be modified to reach the minimum drain time. Abusing the 5 minute limitation removes its intended purpose. Types of abuse include:

Lowering a song’s BPM
Looping portions of a song
Adding sounds before/after a song begins/ends
Extending spinners/sliders over inaudible sounds
Manually removing breaks


I personally think that might be a problem if the song time is 5 min but drain time appears to be 4:59 ,
as in that one second of drain time that trolls you and makes you rethink your existence because the song is actually 5 min it's sad : (
with the things above you can do nothing about it and just potentially lead to either make a full spread or give up the song entirely
less likely the first option tho :ç


Mapsets cannot include more than 8 total difficulties of a single game-mode. The highest difficulty of a game-mode is not required to fit within a reasonable spread, so long as no levels of difficulty are skipped.

As for this one,
let's say we do use the same key but map two spread in two really different style that both has 5 diffs each , well we cant
it happend before on a mapset wich had the good idea to make two different spread for two really different playstyle, and eventho we could make two maps for that
I just find it really questionable, as it's the same person and it's their idea so why not , just there is no real reason 'in that specific case' ,it's not like seeing 42 extras or something
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exciting new news

will make a big post soon
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pishifat wrote:

  1. Mapsets cannot include more than 8 total difficulties of a single game-mode. The highest difficulty of a game-mode is not required to fit within a reasonable spread, so long as no levels of difficulty are skipped.
I don't really see why this is a rule, the only benefit would be that there is less modding to do for the map.

For exemple, I wanted to make a set that started from Easy and ended with a 8,5* diff (in standard), and having low gaps of difficulty between 2 diffs (because it would be more enjoyable for players). But, if it's a rule, there's no way to change that (except going for love) and I don't understand why.

Maybe there should be a rule (or maybe a guideline) about having too much difficulties with quite the same star rating, but not if it's a reasonable spread.
I hope I was clear enough
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pishifat wrote:

Mapsets cannot include more than 8 total difficulties of a single game-mode. The highest difficulty of a game-mode is not required to fit within a reasonable spread, so long as no levels of difficulty are skipped.
"levels of difficulty" refers to normal/hard/insane/expert or just normal/hard/insane? question is - are normal->hard->insane->ultra spreads gonna be allowed since ultra is still an X icon
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Songs/maps cannot be modified to reach the minimum drain time.

mm what about things like adding a copy of the chorus?

Mapsets cannot include more than 8 total difficulties of a single game-mode. The highest difficulty of a game-mode is not required to fit within a reasonable spread, so long as no levels of difficulty are skipped.


Hey seemss you guys never listen to the community tbh, limiting the number of diffs just do more bad than good and you already know how much the community disagree with this.

On the other side, having a spread 2,0 normal 3,2, hard 4,5 Insane 5,3 Extra and 8 stars ultra, just ruin the spreads lol, I don't think is a good change in any way, rip 6 stars extras

Just remember the last time that this got proposed: p/4892052

Avoid incomprehensible username combinations to indicate possession of a collaborative guest difficulty

things Like Pantsu aren't allowed anymore? (pan and natsu)
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I agree with everyone about the 8-diff limit, especially in cases of mania sets with multiple keymodes. If you include two keymodes, the greatest amount of diffs per keymode is 4; and if you include four keymodes, the greatest amount of diffs per keymode is 2. Whether it's reasonable to have over 8 standard diffs or over 8 4k diffs can be debated, but I definitely think this rule should at least be edited to allow more diffs in the case of multiple keymodes.
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Songs cannot be modified to reach the minimum drain time.
I don't see the point of this. Nobody is going to want to map full spreads for 4:40 songs, and this will not have that effect. Instead you'll just get a bunch of people who won't try and rank their songs they like, since finding mods / BNs for such a big drain time is near impossible for non-BN/QAT/famous mapper type people.
Additionally, this is practically unenforceable, you can just do something like add in some random hi-hat track at the end and call it your remix and upload it anyway.

edit: this is also worded in a way that means that you can't make songs compilations. is this intended?
Mapsets cannot include more than 8 total difficulties of a single game mode.
I don't see the purpose of this rule. It's just making people split their map spreads up, which as we can tell by the enormous popularity of sets like Zen Zen Zense, No title, and Hitorigoto, is pretty dumb. Again, this rule just seems like it's opposing more maps being ranked for no reason, since splitting sets up = more diffs/mods/BN checks etc = harder to rank things.
The highest difficulty of a game-mode is not required to fit within a reasonable spread, so long as no levels of difficulty are skipped.
What you end up with here is that someone will map their 8 star super hard diff that nobody can play, a 2.2 star normal, a 3.5 star hard and then a 4.5 star insane. Which leaves nothing for all the people in between, which is completely opposite to what spread rules are supposed to do in the first place.
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