Wow ugh that's some quick hands he's got there, to spin as if he was stationary XDSilentWings wrote:
For SILVIA S15's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KdsObLF38
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SilentWings wrote:
For SILVIA S15's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KdsObLF38
Aight. If I may interject here.
The spins are a little iffy but if you look really close, you can see his hand vibrate. I think- THINK he's playing with a very high sensitivity and he just vibrates his mouse in a tiny circle allowing for weird unpredictable spins (I know because I've done it with a tablet and reached 477 rpm+)
The camera is bad which doesn't help at all but as far as I can say right now he's looking pretty innocent.
Double Speed + Hidden + Bad Camera Position = InsanitySilentWings wrote:
For SILVIA S15's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KdsObLF38
If you watch closely, you'll see that he's not even spinning that fast.(330-380)
That camera was capturing 10-15 fps, thats why it looks so strange.
Totally normal.
Though... his aiming seems suspicious...
I thought the same thing, bad camera = bad fps which is why it looks like he's not spinning.AdRon Zh3Ro wrote:
Double Speed + Hidden + Bad Camera Position = InsanitySilentWings wrote:
For SILVIA S15's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KdsObLF38
If you watch closely, you'll see that he's not even spinning that fast.(330-380)
That camera was capturing 10-15 fps, thats why it looks so strange.
Totally normal.
Though... his aiming seems suspicious...
Plus, why would someone post a video of them self hacking on a videogame when they're being suspected of hacking?
mekadon_old
This. I guess its recorded by a phone since I know who horrible the fps is.Zetta wrote:
I thought the same thing, bad camera = bad fps which is why it looks like he's not spinning.
Plus, why would someone post a video of them self hacking on a videogame when they're being suspected of hacking?
Download the video and run frame per frame and you can see him actually spins.
Plausibly hacking, imo
not like anyone cares but here's another spin hacker
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/374666
digs up old maps to test it =
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/7960
and here you can watch how he actually spins
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77814
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/374666
digs up old maps to test it =
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/7960
and here you can watch how he actually spins
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77814
Lunah_old
it looks DT lolSilentWings wrote:
For SILVIA S15's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KdsObLF38
What he should've post with the video.Lunah wrote:
it looks DT lolSilentWings wrote:
For SILVIA S15's case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KdsObLF38
He is not even moving his hand, how can he spin o.o? (2:48 - 3:07)
Glass
Take a closer look at his hand movements when he "spun" and compare it to his hand movements while he moved around to hit notes, even with bad FPS it shouldn't look like he's not moving at all. Also note at right before the first spinner how he moved his mouse just to slightly move the cursor up and down.Zetta wrote:
I think- THINK he's playing with a very high sensitivity and he just vibrates his mouse in a tiny circle allowing for weird unpredictable spins (I know because I've done it with a tablet and reached 477 rpm+)
and here we go again
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/588641
probably the same person as before or he's friend that got mad at me
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77814
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78595
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/42317
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/588641
probably the same person as before or he's friend that got mad at me
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77814
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78595
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/42317
Ohh how haters are going to complain about a trivial matter like spinning in a song (Watch the goddamn replay. I really don't understand why someone would hack a spin that isn't super consistant and fast). Isn't the original complaint about SILVIA about how he was hiddening a lot of songs? He showed a video of him doing a hidden+dt proving how he was not using a hidden hack and what does he get? More hate about how he spins.
Glass
So, by your logic, if some FL cheater made a video of himself FLing a map legitly, that means he never cheated? Also, videos are shit-easy to rig, and I thought we all wanted peppy's opinion on this, not some crappy low fps phonecam'd video. Not to mention we can't even see what other processes he's running, do you have any idea how easy is it to just run a macro in the background and mimic the cursor movement?SilentWings wrote:
Ohh how haters are going to complain about a trivial matter like spinning in a song (Watch the goddamn replay. I really don't understand why someone would hack a spin that isn't super consistant and fast). Isn't the original complaint about SILVIA about how he was hiddening a lot of songs? He showed a video of him doing a hidden+dt proving how he was not using a hidden hack and what does he get? More hate about how he spins.
Spinning is trivial? The point is that the spinning looks suspicious, not that we give half a shit about the little bonus it gives especially on Insane maps.
You are right. You can use macro to do what he did. This means that everyone like Cookiezi should still be suspicious because videos do not prove anything. Am I doing it right?
Glass
1.SilentWings wrote:
You are right. You can use macro to do what he did. This means that everyone like Cookiezi should still be suspicious because videos do not prove anything.
2. KRZY has watched Cookiezi play in real life.Glass wrote:
Cookiezi has been playing for over a year pretty much all day every day, his progress has been shown over time and it took way longer than just 4 months to get to where he is now.
So no, I'm not doubting Cookiezi.
No.SilentWings wrote:
Am I doing it right?
True. Blew my effing mind.Glass wrote:
2. KRZY has watched Cookiezi play in real life.
Glass wrote:
Take a closer look at his hand movements when he "spun" and compare it to his hand movements while he moved around to hit notes, even with bad FPS it shouldn't look like he's not moving at all. Also note at right before the first spinner how he moved his mouse just to slightly move the cursor up and down.Zetta wrote:
I think- THINK he's playing with a very high sensitivity and he just vibrates his mouse in a tiny circle allowing for weird unpredictable spins (I know because I've done it with a tablet and reached 477 rpm+)
You make a good argument I admit but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Taking my first look at the video I instantly thought something was up with his spinning, I rewatched it about 3-4 times trying to spot maybe a button on the side of the mouse or a ball slider or something but nothing. It just looks like a normal mouse. However like I said before, he could have very good mouse control.
Only way to confirm it really is if peppy can know if files have been edited in his osu folder like the other hackers.
^ sadly, yeah
although from what i can see, this guy has been playing for as long as i have [5 months], he's ranked 35, can play this map with HD+DT [although in this case he's played it 300 times so I can understand, but it's still hard as hell and nobody else has done it with both HD AND DT], and his profile is a neverending stream of SH's
also, i don't honestly believe this is legit [ignore that i circled the lifehouse one]:
yeah, nobody asked me, we've been through this a billion times and in the end it's peppy's decision and yada yada, but that's my opinion and i'm not biased towards this guy or anything...so yeah.
although from what i can see, this guy has been playing for as long as i have [5 months], he's ranked 35, can play this map with HD+DT [although in this case he's played it 300 times so I can understand, but it's still hard as hell and nobody else has done it with both HD AND DT], and his profile is a neverending stream of SH's
also, i don't honestly believe this is legit [ignore that i circled the lifehouse one]:
yeah, nobody asked me, we've been through this a billion times and in the end it's peppy's decision and yada yada, but that's my opinion and i'm not biased towards this guy or anything...so yeah.
E-Hooker wrote:
although from what i can see, this guy has been playing for as long as i have [5 months], he's ranked 35, can play this map with HD+DT [although in this case he's played it 300 times so I can understand, but it's still hard as hell and nobody else has done it with both HD AND DT], and his profile is a neverending stream of SH's
Just saying, just because nobody has done it doesn't mean nobody can do it. I can give you at least 10 players who can DT HD that song in less than 30 minutes off the top of my head.
E-Hooker wrote:
also, i don't honestly believe this is legit [ignore that i circled the lifehouse one]:
What do you claim to be not legit? I don't get what you are trying to say, sorry.
Well he posted a video of himself playing, quite frankly I was surprised he was a mouse user but other than the spinning everything seems legit, and we aren't condemning him for a spinning hack are we? ;3 He probably has his mouse on a very high sensitivity.
I say give this guy a rest. It still bothers me how he has joined osu not so long ago and is already this pro, but we have seen similar cases happen (Refer to a user named "Hurude Rika") and I guess he's just that talented.
indeed, and I agree, but it's things like that combined with his recent join date and how he constantly HSS's and HS's songs after a small handful of playthroughs that just add to the suspicion.KRZY wrote:
E-Hooker wrote:
although from what i can see, this guy has been playing for as long as i have [5 months], he's ranked 35, can play this map with HD+DT [although in this case he's played it 300 times so I can understand, but it's still hard as hell and nobody else has done it with both HD AND DT], and his profile is a neverending stream of SH's
Just saying, just because nobody has done it doesn't mean nobody can do it. I can give you at least 10 players who can DT HD that song in less than 30 minutes off the top of my head.
He practices a song around 10-50 times with spunout before actually playing it.E-Hooker wrote:
indeed, and I agree, but it's things like that combined with his recent join date and how he constantly HSS's and HS's songs after a small handful of playthroughs that just add to the suspicion.
and how do you know this?SilentWings wrote:
He practices a song around 10-50 times with spunout before actually playing it.E-Hooker wrote:
indeed, and I agree, but it's things like that combined with his recent join date and how he constantly HSS's and HS's songs after a small handful of playthroughs that just add to the suspicion.
also any proof would be nice
Only proof I can say is that I have spectated him many times. I was also suspicious of him a while ago thinking "how the hell can he SH songs on first try?". Then I saw how he practiced a song for a very long time on spunout before he tried it.
Also, when I ask him to play a song, he always uses spunout if it is his first time. He also uses it when I ask him to play songs beyond his level like astrosexy. As it seems, he intentionally wants a low playcount.
You can spectate him and ask him yourself. I do not want to argue this anymore because the only way to make some people satisfied is if peppy confirms his legitimacy.
Also, when I ask him to play a song, he always uses spunout if it is his first time. He also uses it when I ask him to play songs beyond his level like astrosexy. As it seems, he intentionally wants a low playcount.
You can spectate him and ask him yourself. I do not want to argue this anymore because the only way to make some people satisfied is if peppy confirms his legitimacy.
Worlds End Dancehall - Miku Hatsunepeppy wrote:
If you find a score or replay which seems odd (by a large amount) report it in here. I'll try and look through all of these personally, but it would be good if those knowledgeable in the flaws of replays and signs of foul play could help out that would be great.
Bikko #1 score his mouse like teleports all over the place
Bikko has a touchscreen and that has already been discussed a lot of times.mechacide wrote:
Worlds End Dancehall - Miku Hatsunepeppy wrote:
If you find a score or replay which seems odd (by a large amount) report it in here. I'll try and look through all of these personally, but it would be good if those knowledgeable in the flaws of replays and signs of foul play could help out that would be great.
Bikko #1 score his mouse like teleports all over the place
mekadon_old
I pretty much spectate S15 for a few songs whenever he's onlineSilentWings wrote:
Only proof I can say is that I have spectated him many times. I was also suspicious of him a while ago thinking "how the hell can he SH songs on first try?". Then I saw how he practiced a song for a very long time on spunout before he tried it.
Also, when I ask him to play a song, he always uses spunout if it is his first time. He also uses it when I ask him to play songs beyond his level like astrosexy. As it seems, he intentionally wants a low playcount.
You can spectate him and ask him yourself. I do not want to argue this anymore because the only way to make some people satisfied is if peppy confirms his legitimacy.
and I can testify for SilentWings that he has also spectated S15
enough to base his arguments on his observations
Legalist
i always lol at multiaccountsLegalist wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/594334
Multiaccount?
it's like they think nobody is going to notice
Rank Score Accuracy Player Max Combo 300 / 100 / 50 Geki (Elite Beat!) Katu (Beat!) Misses Mods
#1 S 7,151,950 98.68% Aenna 522 396 / 8 / 0 53 6 0 Flashlight
#2 SS 6,887,766 100.00% morizo 522 404 / 0 / 0 59 0 0 Hidden
300k difference, considering the first place made 8 100's?
Map is Maika - I Wish [Lunatic], by the way.
#1 S 7,151,950 98.68% Aenna 522 396 / 8 / 0 53 6 0 Flashlight
#2 SS 6,887,766 100.00% morizo 522 404 / 0 / 0 59 0 0 Hidden
300k difference, considering the first place made 8 100's?
Map is Maika - I Wish [Lunatic], by the way.
Alright so #1 is Hardrock and Flashlight. 1x 100 missed a few finishers.
#2 me: SS: Hidden Flashlight, and I hit every finisher (This was played when mouse was able to hit all the finisher notes, you can tell by my replay)
#3 Sander-Don: SS: Hidden Hardrock Sudden-Death Flashlight: Hit about the same amount of finishers as #1 did and didn't even pass me.
Something is fishy.
Why is this even remotely suspicious?Maav wrote:
Rank Score Accuracy Player Max Combo 300 / 100 / 50 Geki (Elite Beat!) Katu (Beat!) Misses Mods
#1 S 7,151,950 98.68% Aenna 522 396 / 8 / 0 53 6 0 Flashlight
#2 SS 6,887,766 100.00% morizo 522 404 / 0 / 0 59 0 0 Hidden
300k difference, considering the first place made 8 100's?
Map is Maika - I Wish [Lunatic], by the way.
98.68% FL vs 100% HD
3 100s made in the first 30 seconds I say and a few on the way
MMzz wrote:
Alright so #1 is Hardrock and Flashlight. 1x 100 missed a few finishers.
#2 me: SS: Hidden Flashlight, and I hit every finisher (This was played when mouse was able to hit all the finisher notes, you can tell by my replay)
#3 Sander-Don: SS: Hidden Hardrock Sudden-Death Flashlight: Hit about the same amount of finishers as #1 did and didn't even pass me.
Something is fishy.
Did you count drumrolls? Although I can't imagine how you'd not consider them, being an expert in taiko ._.
Other than that, I don't see how either, i can see why you are behind #1 (HR has more number of spins) but that doesn't explain #3, unless Sander missed one spinner or two. Spinners are worth like 2200 points or something.
Yes that's how mods work. Compare #6 to #30 in that same map for example. 8 more 100's and 300k difference.Maav wrote:
Rank Score Accuracy Player Max Combo 300 / 100 / 50 Geki (Elite Beat!) Katu (Beat!) Misses Mods
#1 S 7,151,950 98.68% Aenna 522 396 / 8 / 0 53 6 0 Flashlight
#2 SS 6,887,766 100.00% morizo 522 404 / 0 / 0 59 0 0 Hidden
300k difference, considering the first place made 8 100's?
Map is Maika - I Wish [Lunatic], by the way.
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61917&m=1
It happened quite long ago, but still it isn't fixed yet. As I remember, it was just some kind of bug, so nothing wrong with the player.
It happened quite long ago, but still it isn't fixed yet. As I remember, it was just some kind of bug, so nothing wrong with the player.
dNextGen wrote:
3 years ago and countingSoar wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/127&m=0
aishiteru in breezin and crusin mode, there are some people
fruit
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/72
white
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/929
agent thunderhawk
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/948
Bigboss87
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/406
ShiningYoshi
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/871
gekomees
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/290
bulut
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/123826
Also
In fallmemories
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/31
eyup
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/88
Lumino
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/59
Extor
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/555
Oh...That's my mistake Thanks(If you didn't quote it and if I didn't check those person, I will misunderstood about that
)
Lunah_old
Hi
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/15211 #1
player avensis_lg - rank #2,013
This player seems to use a Relax Cheat :3 , you can see the rhythm when you listen the song that i linked. is perfect, and c'mon he's rank 2000, if you are so good to SS this you're not there but in top 200.. cookiezi can't SS this too and i saw he tried
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/15211 #1
player avensis_lg - rank #2,013
This player seems to use a Relax Cheat :3 , you can see the rhythm when you listen the song that i linked. is perfect, and c'mon he's rank 2000, if you are so good to SS this you're not there but in top 200.. cookiezi can't SS this too and i saw he tried
Lunah wrote:
Hi
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/15211 #1
player avensis_lg - rank #2,013
This player seems to use a Relax Cheat :3 , you can see the rhythm when you listen the song that i linked. is perfect, and c'mon he's rank 2000k, if you are so good to SS this you're not there but in top 200.. cookiezi can't SS this too and i saw he tried
I thought he was quite queer but I wouldn't pit him as a cheater all of a sudden, he looks like he sets a record every three days or so, maybe he practices for three days until he can confidently get an SS or something, highly unlikely but there are a lot of strange people out there >.>
dNextGen
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5985&p=573761#p573761Lunah wrote:
Hi
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/15211 #1
player avensis_lg - rank #2,013
This player seems to use a Relax Cheat :3 , you can see the rhythm when you listen the song that i linked. is perfect, and c'mon he's rank 2000, if you are so good to SS this you're not there but in top 200.. cookiezi can't SS this too and i saw he tried
just drop it
Sorry. Somehow in my mind Flashlight and Hidden score multipliers were the same. >_<Lybydose wrote:
Yes that's how mods work. Compare #6 to #30 in that same map for example. 8 more 100's and 300k difference.Maav wrote:
Rank Score Accuracy Player Max Combo 300 / 100 / 50 Geki (Elite Beat!) Katu (Beat!) Misses Mods
#1 S 7,151,950 98.68% Aenna 522 396 / 8 / 0 53 6 0 Flashlight
#2 SS 6,887,766 100.00% morizo 522 404 / 0 / 0 59 0 0 Hidden
300k difference, considering the first place made 8 100's?
Map is Maika - I Wish [Lunatic], by the way.