"This score doesn't look right" Thread

Glass

Glass 2010-11-16T19:40:03+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/409747

You should really keep an eye on this guy, a couple months back he couldn't SH anything for shit, but nowadays, every time I check his profile, it looks somewhat like this:

SPOILER

But then again that means nothing amirite cause he could've been retrying these songs over and over, yeah no, cause then you'd click on his Historical statistics and see this:

SPOILER

Are you gonna tell me nothing looks wrong here? Don't give me with that "he could've been playing spunout" bullshit. Nobody is accurate enough to SH/XH FC every fucking song on the first ranked play after playing those songs on spunout.

Still not enough for you? How 'bout you look at this.

incoming wall of pic

All of those were songs on this month's chart, look at how condensed the time lapses are and how he got less than 5 100s in each of these maps. Someone tell me how this is possible. Unless this person is Cookiezi's alternate or something I'm not buying this shit. He seems to be putting little to no effort to win the chart while the rest of us are actually trying to do it legitly.

That is all I have to say for now.

KRZY

Former osu! Champion: #3

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KRZY 2010-11-16T19:46:53+00:00

Glass wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/409747

I had my suspicions on this player ever since he racked up ranked score like crazy within a month of joining the game.

Four months and #32? That's bullshit, we all know that. It's not even four months because he's been up there for a long, long time now.

Also the profile itself is not THAT strange since you could argue that he does not submit his score before he gets a satisfying score/accuracy/rank, but the time period provided by Glass is just ridiculous. He was one of the first users I expected to see in peppy's cheaters list. I was quite surprised his name was not on there, but am still suspicious as much as I was before.

Glass' point that he couldn't play shit a couple of months ago is also valid. hyt103 anyone? "He might have changed from a mouse to a tablet" just doesn't cut it anymore, sorry.

Might I also add that everyone, EVERY SINGLE ONE whom I have officially accused in this thread have been found to be cheating in one way or another. Doesn't mean anything, but just putting it out there.

maay

429 posts

Joined September 2009

maay 2010-11-16T20:07:06+00:00

I find the time lapse between the ranking chart's scores quite ridiculous. I don't know about Cookiezi, but I would think most players work the whole month or at least a week to get a decent position at the ranking chart, but that guy made his scores in 4h30min... lol

and to be honest, I had never seen a decent score from him until last month, I think

Claudia_old

571 posts

Joined July 2010

Claudia_old 2010-11-16T20:09:36+00:00

i haven't even heard of the guy before now, seriously what the hell LOL.

DJ Sharpnel = ((Basshunter + Japanese)*1.5 Montonomy Multiplier)*40% higher vocal pitch

SUPERMarIOwii

30 posts

Joined June 2010

SUPERMarIOwii 2010-11-17T13:56:12+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/570703

look this
LunaticSHIKI
Joined: Nov 14, 2010
Last Visit: Nov 16, 2010
he racked up ranked score like crazy

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Leeg

290 posts

Joined March 2009

Leeg 2010-11-18T09:12:26+00:00

Beatmap:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/59803&m=0

Screens:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/36349
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/36350

User:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/situgoku

~Persona3~

Vulf

17 posts

Joined November 2009

Vulf 2010-11-18T09:36:04+00:00

Leeg wrote:
Beatmap:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/59803&m=0

Screens:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/36349
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/36350

User:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/situgoku

Possible bug in the replay?
I've seen a few replays like that.

Lunah_old

Lunah_old 2010-11-18T11:09:51+00:00

Glass wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/409747

You should really keep an eye on this guy, a couple months back he couldn't SH anything for shit, but nowadays, every time I check his profile, it looks somewhat like this:
SPOILER
[attachment=1:44360]silv1.jpg[/attachment:44360]

But then again that means nothing amirite cause he could've been retrying these songs over and over, yeah no, cause then you'd click on his Historical statistics and see this:
SPOILER
[attachment=0:44360]silv2.jpg[/attachment:44360]

Are you gonna tell me nothing looks wrong here? Don't give me with that "he could've been playing spunout" bullshit. Nobody is accurate enough to SH/XH FC every fucking song on the first ranked play after playing those songs on spunout.

Still not enough for you? How 'bout you look at this.
incoming wall of pic
All of those were songs on this month's chart, look at how condensed the time lapses are and how he got less than 5 100s in each of these maps. Someone tell me how this is possible. Unless this person is Cookiezi's alternate or something I'm not buying this shit. He seems to be putting little to no effort to win the chart while the rest of us are actually trying to do it legitly.

That is all I have to say for now.

EDIT : I thought the same .. but apparently He is not a cheater, you can be sure i asked ppy

eru

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Joined November 2009

eru 2010-11-18T13:18:10+00:00

E-Hooker wrote:
i haven't even heard of the guy before now, seriously what the hell LOL.

it's just the internet. if you feel that you can't take what's written here, go watch porn, it will lift up your mood a little.
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tossapon

23 posts

Joined November 2009

tossapon 2010-11-19T13:23:14+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/560991
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/9627

Joined: Nov 7, 2010
Last Visit: Nov 7, 2010

Cheaters... they never learn do they?
Spinner hack? (and maybe other hacks too)
Also maybe multiacc or got banned and register a new username.

WIP beatmaps
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/21189 Fairy Tail ED1- Kanpeki gu no ne (Full version)

Traurige Aura

Traurige Aura 2010-11-19T15:40:07+00:00

tossapon wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/560991
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/9627

Joined: Nov 7, 2010
Last Visit: Nov 7, 2010

Cheaters... they never learn do they?
Spinner hack? (and maybe other hacks too)
Also maybe multiacc or got banned and register a new username.

Me has skills. I also use a touchscreen.

KRZY

Former osu! Champion: #3

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KRZY 2010-11-19T15:51:20+00:00

Traurige Aura wrote:
tossapon wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/560991
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/9627

Joined: Nov 7, 2010
Last Visit: Nov 7, 2010

Cheaters... they never learn do they?
Spinner hack? (and maybe other hacks too)
Also maybe multiacc or got banned and register a new username.
Me has skills. I also use a touchscreen.

1. That's bullshit

2. That's just utter bullshit.

3. If you use a touchscreen YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FREAKING SUCK AT SPINNING.

4. gtfo.

Traurige Aura

Traurige Aura 2010-11-19T15:58:57+00:00

Your mum

POOT

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dNextGen

dNextGen 2010-11-19T16:02:46+00:00

Krzy win

also lol at touchscreen

and spin.rar MU Link

Hakeru

2,360 posts

Joined May 2010

Hakeru 2010-11-19T16:05:27+00:00

dNextGen wrote:
Krzy win

also lol at touchscreen

and spin.rar MU Link

my my..

>
> touchscreen
> insane spinning ?_?
> spin.rar

i lol'd

Mismagius

9,237 posts

Joined July 2008

Mismagius 2010-11-19T16:57:52+00:00

I really wanted to take a look at that link but I'm gonna get banned/scorereseted if I do that

mikhe

673 posts

Joined November 2008

mikhe 2010-11-20T02:54:08+00:00

spin.rar..... more cheats? -.-""

SPOILER

SilentWings_old

111 posts

Joined June 2009

SilentWings_old 2010-11-20T03:13:59+00:00

Glass wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/409747

You should really keep an eye on this guy, a couple months back he couldn't SH anything for shit, but nowadays, every time I check his profile, it looks somewhat like this:
SPOILER
[attachment=1:8db44]silv1.jpg[/attachment:8db44]

But then again that means nothing amirite cause he could've been retrying these songs over and over, yeah no, cause then you'd click on his Historical statistics and see this:
SPOILER
[attachment=0:8db44]silv2.jpg[/attachment:8db44]

Are you gonna tell me nothing looks wrong here? Don't give me with that "he could've been playing spunout" bullshit. Nobody is accurate enough to SH/XH FC every fucking song on the first ranked play after playing those songs on spunout.

Still not enough for you? How 'bout you look at this.
incoming wall of pic
All of those were songs on this month's chart, look at how condensed the time lapses are and how he got less than 5 100s in each of these maps. Someone tell me how this is possible. Unless this person is Cookiezi's alternate or something I'm not buying this shit. He seems to be putting little to no effort to win the chart while the rest of us are actually trying to do it legitly.

That is all I have to say for now.

I have spectated him before and have seen him play. No he does NOT full combo songs on first try in ranked play. He just retries until he gets a SH. He won the last month's chart and is a really talented player. I really doubt he hacks.

DS Primity

2 posts

Joined June 2010

DS Primity 2010-11-20T08:39:49+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/271020

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/43105
Easy #31
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/31000
Kero~ #10

guy uses spin hacks or something, unless he can just spin 460 SPM on a dime whenever he feels like.

Claudia_old

571 posts

Joined July 2010

Claudia_old 2010-11-21T01:09:22+00:00

SilentWings wrote:
Glass wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/409747

You should really keep an eye on this guy, a couple months back he couldn't SH anything for shit, but nowadays, every time I check his profile, it looks somewhat like this:
SPOILER
[attachment=1:51251]silv1.jpg[/attachment:51251]

But then again that means nothing amirite cause he could've been retrying these songs over and over, yeah no, cause then you'd click on his Historical statistics and see this:
SPOILER
[attachment=0:51251]silv2.jpg[/attachment:51251]

Are you gonna tell me nothing looks wrong here? Don't give me with that "he could've been playing spunout" bullshit. Nobody is accurate enough to SH/XH FC every fucking song on the first ranked play after playing those songs on spunout.

Still not enough for you? How 'bout you look at this.
incoming wall of pic
All of those were songs on this month's chart, look at how condensed the time lapses are and how he got less than 5 100s in each of these maps. Someone tell me how this is possible. Unless this person is Cookiezi's alternate or something I'm not buying this shit. He seems to be putting little to no effort to win the chart while the rest of us are actually trying to do it legitly.

That is all I have to say for now.
I have spectated him before and have seen him play. No he does NOT full combo songs on first try in ranked play. He just retries until he gets a SH. He won the last month's chart and is a really talented player. I really doubt he hacks.

But the fact that this guy is ranked in the top 40 and number 1 on this month's ranking chart [last I saw] coming out of nowhere?

I'm sorry, but that's utter bullshit. I've never even HEARD of this guy before he was reported for hacking.

DJ Sharpnel = ((Basshunter + Japanese)*1.5 Montonomy Multiplier)*40% higher vocal pitch

SilentWings_old

111 posts

Joined June 2009

SilentWings_old 2010-11-21T04:23:34+00:00

You not paying not enough attention and saying stuff is bullshit without investigating the matter yourself is what I call ignorance.
Some people are talented in games. Might be a new revelation to you but some people are naturally good at osu!.

This is the cookiezi incident all over again. Go ask peppy or ask silvia to play something for you if you really doubt his skill.

Glass

Glass 2010-11-21T05:06:02+00:00

All you did was watching him play a couple maps, you call that investigating? If you really want to prove that he's actually taken progress to get where he is now then show us whatever you got. "I have watched him play" doesn't cut it anymore and hasn't for a long time, I remember someone saying that they've watched moneto trying hard to get some FL records and what happens in the end? He turned out to be a cheater. It's easy as fuck to pretend to fail a song a couple times when somebody is watching just to not make yourself too obvious, even that kkhpeople person got smarter and did that when he came back with his multi this summer.

Cookiezi has been playing for over a year pretty much all day every day, his progress has been shown over time and it took way longer than just 4 months to get to where he is now. What the fuck did this Silvia guy do? He registers a new account(fyi even back on his old account he couldn't even pull off any good records, it's called morimori100, I doubt you even heared of that name.) and gets rank 50 by around September, he didn't even get any SH plays before last month, and when he finally did; he gets tons of them a day, I call bullshit on that.

Also, he could've been using moneto's method for all you know, can you tell what program he's running in the background? No. peppy PROBABLY can if osu actually reads what other processes are running.

If anyone has a log of peppy saying that this guy is legit then put it up, but I'd sooner ask him myself when I see him in-game.
~~~

Traurige Aura wrote:
tossapon wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/560991
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/9627

Joined: Nov 7, 2010
Last Visit: Nov 7, 2010

Cheaters... they never learn do they?
Spinner hack? (and maybe other hacks too)
Also maybe multiacc or got banned and register a new username.
Me has skills. I also use a touchscreen.

LOL

If you were using a touchscreen, your cursor wouldn't move like that.

SilentWings_old

111 posts

Joined June 2009

SilentWings_old 2010-11-21T05:45:54+00:00

So what did you do? Go to his profile and call him a cheater?
At least I went and saw him play songs on hidden and have seen him break near the end of songs. In fact, when he did not use hidden, the frequency in which he would full combo a song is much higher than when he is doing with hidden. Of course you wouldn't have known that because you did not care to take notice at all.

Do you believe peppy's skills to evaluate a person's legitimacy? If you do, then you know that if silvia does hack, he should be on the list of hackers, which he isn't.

There are many people who is really good without having a shit ton of plays. Look at cyclone. He must have been cheating as well then according to your logic.

Fact is, if you have speculated him and did some research before accusing him, your accusation will be much more legit. Instead, what you do is come out, disrespectfully accuse someone of hacking without any evidence.

Wishy

2,974 posts

Joined September 2010

Wishy 2010-11-21T05:46:49+00:00

I know this post won't be anything relevant, but I've spected that guy a couple of times and he actually retried some maps for a while, and could saw live how he got #1 at one specific map (http://osu.ppy.sh/u/409747). I'm a newcomer here and I don't know about the "Cookiezi case" or any other stuff where a new player is incredibly good. I think it's possible that he's just a really good player with a great rythm and good reflexes. However, I don't have enough experience to give some good and solid argument to defend him, just wanted to share the little information I have about him. Hope this case gets solved.

Glass

Glass 2010-11-21T06:09:40+00:00

SilentWings wrote:
So what did you do? Go to his profile and call him a cheater?

You obviously didn't check the last screen, but hey atleast I'm not trying to defend my position with empty arguments like "I have watched him".

SilentWings wrote:
At least I went and saw him play songs on hidden and have seen him break near the end of songs. In fact, when he did not use hidden, the frequency in which he would full combo a song is much higher than when he is doing with hidden. Of course you wouldn't have known that because you did not care to take notice at all.

Glass wrote:
It's easy as fuck to pretend to fail a song a couple times when somebody is watching just to not make yourself too obvious

SilentWings wrote:
Do you believe peppy's skills to evaluate a person's legitimacy? If you do, then you know that if silvia does hack, he should be on the list of hackers, which he isn't.

Glass wrote:
Also, he could've been using moneto's method for all you know, can you tell what program he's running in the background? No. peppy PROBABLY can if osu actually reads what other processes are running.

Hell, there are still people using spinner macros and getting away with it, refer to previous page.

SilentWings wrote:
There are many people who is really good without having a shit ton of plays. Look at cyclone. He must have been cheating as well then according to your logic.

Cyclone's been playing two years and he's been known for his skill, unlike this guy gets to where is he all of a sudden, funny how you're even comparing these two. Also, nowhere in my post did I mention anything about playcounts, I was pointing at how long this person has even been playing and how nobody ever even heared of him.

SilentWings wrote:
Fact is, if you have speculated him and did some research before accusing him, your accusation will be much more legit. Instead, what you do is come out, disrespectfully accuse someone of hacking without any evidence.

Doing more research? "Fact is", I went through the trouble to screenshot every single one of his chart records as a recent proof of what he's been doing. What have you done? You come in here and try to defend him with something like "i have watched him i dont think he cheats" and you're trying to say that my arguments aren't legit? So ironic.

Keep them coming, but this time try to not use the points I've already countered.

PS: lol@"he's just talented". That shit is as solid as something like "i started using a tablet so i magically got pro".

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LaCreme

54 posts

Joined August 2010

LaCreme 2010-11-21T06:53:22+00:00

I'm fairly new here, so I will just leave my two cents here and then take my leave.
From my perspective, I understand Glass' accusation is well justified, but I also understand SilentWing's urge to defend this guy.
He's been getting flamed and accused for days without a proper notification of his status.
I believe it'd be best to just ask an active Japanese lurker here to ask him for a live video in game.

TBTE

466 posts

Joined September 2010

TBTE 2010-11-21T07:18:22+00:00

In this case I agree with Glass.
He/She make more sense than SilentWings.
So SilentWings I think that you need to go get more proof before you go defending people and looking retarded.

Needs more doge

maay

429 posts

Joined September 2009

maay 2010-11-21T08:24:40+00:00

I think you guys should leave it to peppy, arguing here won't really solve anything. At this rate, at least.
He's still highly suspicious in my eyes, he became a hidden god in what, 1-2 weeks?

Anyway, I wouldn't call him a cheater for sure yet. I think something similiar happened to Sprosive a few months ago and he turned to be a fair and actually really skilled player.

Wishy

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Joined September 2010

Wishy 2010-11-21T09:17:12+00:00

SuperMaay wrote:
I think you guys should leave it to peppy, arguing here won't really solve anything. At this rate, at least.
He's still highly suspicious in my eyes, he became a hidden god in what, 1-2 weeks?

Anyway, I wouldn't call him a cheater for sure yet. I think something similiar happened to Sprosive a few months ago and he turned to be a fair and actually really skilled player.

It's not like I'm saying this to defend this guy, but hidden is a pretty easy mod for some people, for example I suck and in some maps I see no real difference between using hidden or not. In fact it makes some maps easier (for me) since you get a longer time to react to a hit than without it (for example, I can survive longer using Hidden + HR than only HR). Of course this doesn't apply for every map, though by playing them just a couple of times you'll somehow manage to remember things you can't really see because of hidden. Just my two cents.

maay

429 posts

Joined September 2009

maay 2010-11-21T09:30:46+00:00

Wishy22 wrote:
In fact it (hidden) makes some maps easier (for me) since you get a longer time to react to a hit than without it

Fine. So hidden decreases approach rate now?

Wishy

2,974 posts

Joined September 2010

Wishy 2010-11-21T09:36:40+00:00

It doesn't, but the circle appears to "spawn" before with Hidden that without, since with this mod you end up clicking where's nothing, that's how I feel it. However it seem you forgot to read the first part of the post, where I mention that this would only apply to some people, and not for everyone. What I said is based in my experience, and I get that results, I think I can assume that it doens't only apply to me, it'd be really rare to be the only one (though possible).

maay

429 posts

Joined September 2009

maay 2010-11-21T11:40:03+00:00

well, if you still think you can see the notes earlier with the hidden mod, fine, suit yourself. I fail at understanding your logic, though.

Zekira

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Joined September 2008

Zekira 2010-11-21T12:36:43+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77308&m=0

Well, I haven't looked at it myself yet, but knowing DJPop's usual Insanes, and with a BPM such as 170, I personally doubt that DoubleTiming this is even possible...

kaouji

92 posts

Joined February 2009

kaouji 2010-11-21T13:54:18+00:00

Zekira wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77308&m=0

Well, I haven't looked at it myself yet, but knowing DJPop's usual Insanes, and with a BPM such as 170, I personally doubt that DoubleTiming this is even possible...

Arusha Shuna

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Joined August 2009

Arusha Shuna 2010-11-21T13:55:18+00:00

Zekira wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/77308&m=0

Well, I haven't looked at it myself yet, but knowing DJPop's usual Insanes, and with a BPM such as 170, I personally doubt that DoubleTiming this is even possible...

if 5 players can do it, then it's possible

Accepting mod requests via queue only

TELEFONTELEFONTELEFON

KRZY

Former osu! Champion: #3

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KRZY 2010-11-21T14:34:30+00:00

There is this one map with bpm190 that Rucker and Cookiezi has both DTed. I forgot what it was, but it has two 9-note 1/4 streams in it.

...nothing's impossible, eh?

Niva

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Niva 2010-11-21T14:40:37+00:00

Wishy22 wrote:
In fact it makes some maps easier (for me) since you get a longer time to react to a hit than without it (for example, I can survive longer using Hidden + HR than only HR).

Just saying, I feel hidden makes maps with high AR easier to play. This is especially true with Hidden + Flashlight, the 200+ notes is more visible to read with HardRock (+HardRock = AR9). With Hidden+Flashlight only, notes after 200 is somewhat invisible (although not too hard to memorize those notes though). All you need is a good reflex, and just follow the notes' trail. However:

Wishy22 wrote:
Of course this doesn't apply for every map, though by playing them just a couple of times you'll somehow manage to remember things you can't really see because of hidden.